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Jph. Ruiz
Spouse's Name Maria Franca. Perez
Event Date 11 Apr 1774
Event Place San Pedro,Guadalcazar,San Luis Potosi,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZW6-PQZ : 16 July 2015), Jph. Ruiz and Maria Franca. Perez, 11 Apr 1774; citing San Pedro,Guadalcazar,San Luis Potosi,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 709,055.

from Mexico Baptisms
Name Jose Yrineo Ruis Peres
Gender Male
Christening Date 10 Jun 1787
Christening Place SANTA CATARINA, RIOVERDE, SAN LUIS POTOSI, MEXICO
Father's Name Jose Ruis
Mother's Name Maria Francisca Peres
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBD4-ZTR : 12 December 2014), Jose Ruis in entry for Jose Yrineo Ruis Peres, 10 Jun 1787; citing SANTA CATARINA, RIOVERDE, SAN LUIS POTOSI, MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 709,170.

I'm a Mexican living in Mexico and I've met many people interested in genealogy. Many used to post in a genealogy group in Spanish, but little by little people left the group, including me. I know there is a genealogical society in Monterrey. I would search for Mexican genealogists living in Mexico in forums in Spanish.
Victoriano Navarro

Dear Danny,

It says " Madalena". It does not say "Maria Vielma" I saw a post by Austin Perez on wikitree that says that Salvador's wife is Maria Vielma.

It also says that they found it necessary to baptize him in a house and not in a church.
Rick A. Ricci

P.S.

Here is some info on Salvador Ruiz de Esparza:

Franco. Ruis Vielma
Gender Male
Christening Date 15 Dec 1619
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Salvador Ruis De Esparsa
Mother's Name Maria De Vielma
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBQ9-67K : 12 December 2014), Salvador Ruis De Esparsa in entry for Franco. Ruis Vielma, 15 Dec 1619; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,421.

Politics and history in genealogy
Submitted by R.A.Ricci on Sat, 2016-11-05 03:09.
Many of the first settlers were cutthroats. Many of the first settlers did some things that we descendants find very offensive. Many people, from the left and right, are going to be very offended by the actions of some of their ancestors.

Politics and history are a part of the study of genealogy. Though I consider myself a moderate, I present both "right" and "left" sides of my ancestry. In my chapters on my De la Torre Ledesma ancestry I present both sides at the same time in a very dramatic piece of history. I descend from the main characters on both sides of this World changing incident. I say world changing because even though the events of that day only had immediate consequences for Spain, the repercussions of that event were felt many years later as the Europeans spread out to the Americas. King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella would not have been on the throne if not for what happened that day in

I believe that Somos Primos is a valuable source of information but it does have a poor choice of words in this issue.

I can see why many people are offended by the statement: "As I view the brutality and devastation caused by Islamic inspired wars" because it implies that the terrorism that is being done is inspired by the Muslim religion when it is fanatics that are not in any sense spiritual that are waging this war. The terrorists are not following The Islamic faith. This statement is the type of statement that would come out of Trump's mouth.

Somos Primos was the first to make a political statement here so people responding to this outrageous statement should not be told to not respond to it. Nuestrosranchos can't expect a post of "Somos Primos" to make such an inappropriate statement and not expect someone to respond.

This is a repeat of when some members made inappropriate comments regarding Jews and then we were told to stop the discussion as it didn't have to do

Dear George,

Juana de Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez may have been related as there is another branch of the family that used De Anda as a surname when the De Anda came from the maternal side. If Juan De Anda is from this line then there should be a marriage dispensation saying that Juana De Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez are related through the Macias Valadez line.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear George,

Juana de Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez may have been related as there is another branch of the family that used De Anda as a surname when the De Anda came from the maternal side. If Juan De Anda is from this line then there should be a marriage dispensation saying that Juana De Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez are related through the Macias Valadez line.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear George,

Juana de Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez may have been related as there is another branch of the family that used De Anda as a surname when the De Anda came from the maternal side. If Juan De Anda is from this line then there should be a marriage dispensation saying that Juana De Anda and Nicolas Macias Valadez are related through the Macias Valadez line.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Gorge,

Your inquiry into Juan De Anda led to Armando providing much information on Catalina Rodriguez Salceded's ancestors. I have now added many generations of her ancestors to my family tree.

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

George,

The Juan de Anda that is married to Catalina Rodriguez de Salcedo and is the son of Alonso Fernandez de Rueda and Ana de Anda Altamirano is the most likely candidate. He does not marry Catalina until he is about forty-two. Maria Ortega Espinosa may have been his first wife. If we could find juan and Catalina's marriage record we could check to see if it references a prior marriage. We can also check the marriage information records for all the children and grandchildren looking for clues.

Rick

Dear George,

Check the names of the padrinos in the baptismal records. You just might find a Fernandez de Rueda on one of the records.

Rick

The Juan de Anda that is married to Catalina Rodriguez de Salcedo is the son of Alonso Fernandez de Rueda and Ana de Anda Altamirano.

This Juan de Anda Altamirano is baptized on 2/Aug/1636 and does not have many children in my records. He could have become a widower and remarried. Or he could have been married previously.

This Juan is from the same location as the one married to Maria Ortega y Espinosa.

This juan is married in about 1678 and because of his perceived birthdate he most likely had a previous marriage and his first wife could have been your Maria Ortega. Do you have a death record on Maria Ortega? Is Maria Ortega recorded as still being alive when her children marry? Ther are many records that need to be checked to look for more clues.

I do have another Juan de Anda in my records in that period of time and in that location. Both Juan de Andas are related. This Juan de Anda is uncle to the one above. He is married to Isabel Martinez de Alarcon.

Dear George,

I looked at my records to look up the Juan De Anda that had taken his mother's surname. This Juan de Anda is married. But he does not have many children with this wife. Does the marriage record of Juan de Anda and Maria Ortega y Espinosa show that he was widowed? Can you send me the link or image number so that I may check out the marriage record? The surname that I was looking for is Fernandez or Hernandez.

Thanks,
Rick

Dear George,

Some of the de Anda male members actually took the surname from their mother. I don't remember the details and need to look up many records to see if Juan was from this family. The time and location seems to fit though. Did any of their children use a different surname?

Rick A. Ricci

Ridiculous statement "Islamic Inspired Wars"
Submitted by R.A.Ricci on Sat, 2016-11-05 03:48.
I believe that Somos Primos is a valuable source of information but it does have a poor choice of words in this issue.

I can see why many people are offended by the statement: "As I view the brutality and devastation caused by Islamic inspired wars" because it implies that the terrorism that is being done is inspired by the Muslim religion when it is fanatics that are not in any sense spiritual that are waging this war. The terrorists are not following The Islamic faith. This statement is the type of statement that would come out of Trump's mouth.

Somos Primos was the first to make a political statement here so people responding to this outrageous statement should not be told to not respond to it. Nuestrosranchos can't expect a post of "Somos Primos" to make such an inappropriate statement and not expect someone to respond.

This is a repeat of when some members made inappropriate comments

Many of the first settlers were cutthroats. Many of the first settlers did some things that we descendants find very offensive. Many people, from the left and right, are going to be very offended by the actions of some of their ancestors.

Politics and history are a part of the study of genealogy. Though I consider myself a moderate, I present both "right" and "left" sides of my ancestry. In my chapters on my De la Torre Ledesma ancestry I present both sides at the same time in a very dramatic piece of history. I descend from the main characters on both sides of this World changing incident. I say world changing because even though the events of that day only had immediate consequences for Spain, the repercussions of that event were felt many years later as the Europeans spread out to the Americas. King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella would not have been on the throne if not for what happened that day in history. History was changed by an "Amiga", and a flip of a wrist.

As to

If you find Miguel Luna y Lopez's "informacíon matrimonial" you may find more information. If you do find it please send me the link so I may analyze it.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Dear Rayna,

After looking at many of the records on your ancestors I began to suspect that something was a little fishy. This morning, as soon as I got up, I put my hypothesis the test. It turns out that my hypothesis is correct.

It turns out that Juan Miguel Luna de Lopez's mother's name is Antonia Rosalia Lopez y Luna. Cayetano Lopez and Petrona Luna are the parents of Antonia (Antta) Rosalia Lopez y Luna. They are españoles. It seem that Antonia Rosalia gets together with someone that was not an español. She has a son that she names Juan Miguel Lopez de Luna. He is obviously born out of wedlock. On his marriage record she hides the fact that he was born out of wedlock and names her father as the father of Juan Miguel Luna y Lopez. She does give her name as the mother, not her mother's name.

So in other words, Juan Miguel Luna y Lopez, mestizo, has his dead maternal grandfather listed as his father on his marriage record. Here is the baptismal record for Antonia Lopez y

Answers to your questions:

Español originally from and resident of this pueblo

Mothers name Ana Bernarda Aleman

Ana Luisa Diaz Español originally from and resident of this pueblo and a legitimate daughter of

Españoles

Here are some reads that you maw ant to check out:

Antonio Valerio Dias Aleman
Gender Male
Christening Date 14 Feb 1765
Christening Place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Nicolas Dias
Mother's Name Bernarda Aleman
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV99-BZ5 : 12 December 2014), Bernarda Aleman in entry for Antonio Valerio Dias Aleman, 14 Feb 1765; citing SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 224,936.

Maria Josepha Rafaela Dias Aleman
Gender Female
Christening Date 16 Apr 1760
Christening Place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Nicolas Dias
Mother's Name Bernarda Maria Aleman
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch

Dear Gary,

If you want I will take a lie detector test as proof that I have seen the record.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Gloria,
"casado cannonicamente" Means that they were married according to the church. But it also says that they were not married civilly. The kids were legitimate in the eyes of the church. In Mexico you traditionally have two separate marriages, one by the church and the other civil.

Rick A. Ricci

Plagiarism is a big problem. There are two parts to plagiarism. Plagiarism involves stealing the property of someone else, and then lying about it. This is fraud. A plagiarist shows a lack of respect for the work of another person while taking credit for the work.

Plagiarism is illegal. Plagiarism is stealing. I suggest you study the definition of plagiarism. I provided a definition from a dictionary in the following post:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23651

Your "social lay of the land" cannot infringe on the rights of an author.. The researcher/writer is the one protected by copyright law, not the thief.

It is very easy to avoid plagiarism. Identify the author and his/her book/article. Give respect to the researcher providing the information. Genealogy is a lot of work. The researchers/authors should be given credit for thier work.

Hello Cathy

I can try to help you but I need a little more information to begin the search. I need more info on Juanacatlin, Jalisco, Mexico. How big is this town or. It's. What are the nearest bigger towns or cities. Do the cities zapotlanejo, ,atotonilco or arandas sound familiar? Is there any information that you can add to help identify them or the area they came from?

R A Ricci

I too descend from your great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather, Alvaro VI Albares de Ornellas y Hurtado de Mendosa
b. 1598 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico. Can you provide sources as to his father and grandfather. I haven't studied this family in a long time and don't have my notes on this family in I front of me but would like to see source to Joao de Ornelas. B.1530.

Thanks,

R.A.Ricci