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Ayuda para encontrar padres de Martín Muñoz y Dolores Aguilar

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Hola a todos los genealogistas:

Desde hace tiempo, me ha sido imposible encontrar a los padres de los siguientes tíos:

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Marcelina,

i think your asking about the parents of Martin Munoz and Dolores Aguilar, but the marriage is available online.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-64L7-BPY

The parents of Martin Munoz are Pedro Munoz and Albina Rincon. And the parents of Dolores Aguilar are Trinidad Aguilar and Ascencion Palacio. The Padrinos were Bernardo and Anna Martinez.

Danny C. Alonso

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Hello Danny:

Thanks for help me. I have two aunties daugthers od Pascual Muñoz, my son "Pascualito" born in 1883. When he was a children in León, Gto. in 1896 one flood kill near of 5000 people. His father Marcelino died in this flood, the family lost all documents, portraits, lost all posesions, my uncle workt to support his family.

My two aunties will be particularly grateful to you for this notice.

Thanks again.

Marcelina

Florentino de Alva and Felipa Alonso

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Im looking for the parents of Florentino de Alva and Felipa Alonso, they're
probly born around 1820.

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Hi Danny,

Florention de Alva and Felipa Alonso show up on FamilySearch in the marriages of their children Longino, Maximiano, and Cecilia among others.

There are corresponding baptism records for these children however Felipa is shown with the last name of Ruiz. It appears that Felipa used Ruiz early in her marriage and later changed to Alonso.

The marriage record of Florentino de Alva and Felipa Ruiz has Florentino's parents as Jose del Carmen de Alva and Placida de Alva; and Felipa as 'hija natural' of Nepomucena Ruiz. It also states that the couple required a marriage dispensation of 'consanguinidad en tercero con cuartro grado'
"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18565-27439-5?cc=1874591 : 28 June 2014), Encarnación de Díaz > La Encarnación > Matrimonios 1830-1857 > image 314 of 863; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

I did not find any information

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Austin,

Thank you for this information. after you said she was named Felipa Ruiz
and she has a dispensa i looked and found the image on katy's dispensas and
its there, but i don't know how to read it or who the person at the top
under jose alonso is. it looks like Anica, but that doesnt sound like a
name.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XQ4M-P

Danny C. Alonso

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Danny,

You are right, it reads Anica, does not seem to be a name but it is a very uncommon name. However she is listed as Anna (or Anna Gertrudis) in the following records:

Her marriage (May 27 1780):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-V5S4-7W

Chistening of her daughter Nepomucena (May 23 1781):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JX3B-6

Hope this helps on your search.

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Thank you Ruben. That makes sense. the dispensa has a lot of errors. it has
jose Alonso at the top of the Tronco and Anica and Maria as his daughters
but his daughters should be Anna Gertrudis and and Maria Antonia and the
person at the top should be Manuel Alonso de los Hinojos thats married to
Juana Baptista Martin de Sotomayor.

Danny C. Alonso

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:45 AM, wrote:

> Danny, You are right, it reads Anica, does not seem to be a name but it is
> a
> very uncommon name. However she is listed as Anna (or Anna Gertrudis) in
> the
> following records: Her marriage (May 27 1780):
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-V5S4-7W Chistening of her
> daughter Nepomucena (May 23 1781):
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JX3B-6 Hope this helps on
> your
> search.
>

Looking for input on Villaseñor tovar data

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In my research of my Villaseñor Tovar lines I have seen many posts on the Internet with a wide range of dates. I hope a discussion is started between the people with different dates.

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The descent of Alvar Fañez Minaya to Juan de Tovar, señor de Verlanga, Guarda mayor del Rey Juan II.

[Pedro Ansurez Señor de Valladolid and his wife Doña Ello have daughter, Bascuna]

1) Alvar Fañez Minaya, He had two wives. First wife Bascuna Perez (daughter of Pedro Ansurez) Alvar has a second wife Estephania, some genealogists list the second wife as the mother. Alvar is the father of Rodrigo Alvarez

2) Rodrigo Alvarez (alcaide o gobernador de Toledo) he was married to "unknown name Señora de Navia" who inherited the "casa de Navia en Asturias y solar de Montenegro en Galicia" Rodrigo is the father of Alvaro Rodriguez de Navia

3) Alvaro Rodriguez de Navia is also known as Alvaro Rodriguez de Castro and Urraca Alfonsez (daughter of Alfonso VII and Gontroda Perez/Pietre)

Notes: Alvaro is married to the widow Urraca de Asturias "Reina viuda de Navarra" nickname "Reina de Asturias", who is the illegitimate daughter of a King Of Castilla Alfonso VII and Gontroda. Gontroda's parents

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Dear Chris,

Thanks to your input, I feel comfortable with the info that we have on the Viilaseñor-Tovar line that we have in Spain. I have many interesting stories to go with the line.

Unfortunately, I still have much work to do on the descent of this line in Mexico. I still need more conclusive evidence on one of my Villaseñor lines. I need more information on my ancestor Regina Villaseñor y Cuevas 's parents.

I also want to do an indepth study of all of the connections of the Villaseñor with Mexico's past leaders.

Thanks again,
Rick

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Now that we have the Villaseñor Tovar line we can continue researching this lineage which has repeated descent from royalty. The most interesting stories that this lineage brings do not belong to its royal lines as we already descend from these royals from other lines. What this line brings us are stories that bring to life the ambitions of descendants of younger siblings of royalty and illegitimate descendants who want to also become kings and queens of their own realm. These political ambitions bring to light why many kings felt threatened by family members.

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Dear Chris,

What had thrown me off the he track on the Villaseñor line was a poor transcription that stated Alfonso F Villaseñor had served King Fernando III, el amoroso. This false information places Alfonso F Villaseñor pre 1252 which would have meant a couple missing generations or the men were elderly when they had their children.Once it was cleared up that it was a mistake then it became clear that it was not missing any generations and that it only went to the early 1300's and not the 1200's.

It was your input that led me to look at other sources that had the correct information that the king was Not Fernando III but Enrique III. You have been a tremendous help.

Thanks again,
Rick

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Hello Chris,

1) Alfonso F. Villaseñor and Elvira Osórez (daughter of Fernando Osórez maestro de
Santiago) [the story that Alfonso F Villaseñor lived and served the King before 1252 cannot be true since his father in law passed away in 1383.

2) Only son:
Fernan A. Villaseñor marries Aldonza Gutierrez de Tapia

Two sons Fernando and Diego.
Fernando was alcaide de Calatrava whose daughter, Aldonza de Villaseñor, married Fernando Vasquez de Acuña

3) Diego Villaseñor alcaide de Segovía married to Maria Serones (Seron)

4) comendador Juan Villaseñor Seron (Serone/Seronis) married to Elvira de Tovar y Enriquez de Castilla

Rick A. Ricci

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Hi Rick,

I don't know who Elvira Tovar Enriquez parents are, but Juan de Villasenor y Serones is the son of Diego de Villaseñor, Alcaide de Segovia, y de Doña María Seronis aka Seron.

Chris

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Dear Chris,

Those are the parents I have for Juan Villaseñor. In order for the parents of Elvira to make sense, she had to have been born prior to a certain date. Seeing that prior date made me Research some more, and come up with the dates and the prior dates that I came up with. I still would like to find where the earlier dates that are posted came from and see if any are valid.

For the parents, grandparents, and great grandparents to make sense then Juan Viilaseñor also had to have been born in the latter part of the 1300's. I have more research to do on the ancestors of the 1400's before I present the information on the family in the 1300's and 1200's..

From the 1200's to the 1500's these Villaseñor men live long lives and have children well after forty years of age,

Thanks for your help,
Rick

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Hi Rick,

I noticed Danny has been adding this family on Wikitree. He's done a very good job and included many secondary sources. I just added a few more profiles to this family and adjusted the dates on some with updated information. I just read your post above regarding Elvira Tovar Enriquez born in the latter part of the 1300s, unfortunately, I did not adjust her date that far back and I don't think that would fit with the known information.

http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/de%20Villaseñor-Family-Tree-31

Chris

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Dear Chris,
Based on the information that I have in my notes, i have Elvira Tovar born prior to 1386 and most likely earlier. I need to do more research to confirm the information in my notes.

Thanks,
Rick

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Hi Rick,

I think that information is incorrect. It wouldn't work for multiple reasons. If you look at the known information in the sources on the profile, you'll see that it would be impossible. The earliest possible that Elvira could be born would be about 1400 for all the known information to be correct. If I were to move the date of Elvira back to 1385, I would have to move everyone else back 45 years. That would move the birth of Alfonso Fernández de Villaseñor to 1308 who served in the wars of King Enrique III of Castile. Except, Enrique III didn't become king until 1393, which would which would put Alfonso Fernández de Villaseñor in his 90s during the wars of King Enrique. It's not likely that Alfonso was a nearly 100 year old commander. Same with all the other biographies, their known titles and positions wouldn't be accurate. If you look at Fernando Osorez, he also would be around 90 years old when he's made master of the order of Santiago. It just doesn't work.

Chris

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Dear Chris,

I agree that there is a problem with the information on the dates on Alfonso Fernandez de Villaseñor and his father. His father is listed as being in service with a much earlier king so there seems to be a problem of a missing generation, either after Alonso Fernandez Villaseñor or before. Much research is needed to see if we can figure out the correct lineage. That is why I didn't want to post the 1200's and 1300's of the Villaseñors as there seems to be a missing generation. As to Elvira Tovar it is a stretch for her to be born in 1376 as some people have posted. That is why I moved it to prior 1386 as she descends from one of two couples. If she was born before 1386 she was most likely born to couple "A."If she was born after 1386 then she was a grandchild to couple "A." Some people have posted that she is the great grandchild of couple "A" but dates rule that out.

The more information we add, the greater chance we have of figuring this out.
Thanks,
Rick

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Hi Rick,

I notice the online "unsourced" genealogies have her as the daughter of Juan de Tovar, Señor de Berlanga and Costanza Enriquez. They actually makes sense since they were married in 1423, that would place her around 1425, but moving Elvira any earlier than 1400 messes up known information about the other Villaseñores.

Chris

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She is a daughter of a Juan de Tovar but the question was which of the three possible Juan's. Some genealogist even add a fourth since a Sancho is also referred to sometimes as Juan Sancho. But your two cents actually rule out three of them and that leaves Juan de Tovar Sr. De Berlanga and Constanza Enriquez. We already knew that she was related to juan de Tovar Señor De Verlanga because in one document it said she was of his family but it did not indicate the precise relationship which had me thinking other possibilities. You have to be careful when researching this couple as his son juan de Tovar is also married to a Constanza but this Juan has a different title and both Constanzas have well known ancestries which distinguishes them.

If you wonder why I did not automatically identify her as a daughter when she is identified as family it is because in another line that I was researching in Spain/Italy I came up with the same wording and my ancestor ended being a niece and not

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Hi Rick,

Are you just asking if these dates make sense? I guess so. I agree that Diego de Villasenor that's married to Guiomar de Orozco y Sandoval can't be born in 1480. If Beatriz Orozco de Tovar was born in New Spain around 1512 which is where I have her in my notes, than Diego Orozco Tovar that's married to Ana Mexia would probably be born between 1480 and 1490, which would move Diego de Villasenor that's married to Guiomar de Orozco y Sandoval to 1460 or earlier. I think your date of 1483 for Diego Orozco Tovar is probably fairly close, but you give his mother Guiomar de Orozco y Sandoval's birth as prior to 1481, it would have to be a lot prior for her to be old enough to give birth to Diego Orozco Tovar by 1483 or there about. I do think Diego Orozco Tovar is at least 10 to 15 years older than the conquistador Juan de Villasenor, but you need to make sure that when you adjust Guiomar de Orozco y Sandoval's birth earlier, that she's still able to have children in 1500 when Juan

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Dear Chris,

I was asking if it made sense since it is different than what many are taking as fact. I do have more information that I am working on, but it only made sense If some of the information that people are posting is false.

I even originally felt that Juan Villaseñor Orosco had to be born much earlier since his brother is born much earlier, but he is correctly identified as being born in 1500, and as the last born brother.

I have parents for Juan Villaseñor Serones and Elvira Tovar y Enriquez de Castillo, but these parents didn't make sense with the data that is being posted. After looking at more data, I was able to come up with these dates. I agree with you that some of the people were born earlier than the dates that I wrote prior to. What I meant by writing prior to a date was that they could not had been born after that date. Many people have these people born after those dates which does not coincide with the pieces of the puzzle that we do have.

As to Guiomar

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ARTURO RAMOS Contact

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I have sent a few emails to Arturo Ramos but have had no response.
Does anyone know why ?

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I noticed he hasn't logged out in since I've been a member. Unfortunately, I don't know why.

HDC

FW: Somos Primos August 2016

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I don't have my user name or password. I have requested my password but have not received an email response. Can you please help me or refer to someone that can help me.

Thanks much!

Mercedes

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3er Coloquio de Genealogía e Historia Familiar en Aguascalientes/México, 11 y 12 de Agosto de 2016

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Hola a todos:

Vamos a participar en el 3er coloquio de Genealogía e Historia Familar, el 11 y 12 de agosto de 2016 en la Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes en Aguascalientes, México.

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A quien corresponda: Siento no poder estar en Aguascalientes para el Coloquio,pero aprovecho este medio para localizar el acta de nacimiento de Dona Fca. Renteria que nació en Zacatecas mas o menos en 1643/6, esposa de Melchor Gonzalez Hermosillo
Atentamente,
Alma Glez Hermosillo

Beatriz Lopez de Ayala

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HI everyone,
Apologies first if this has been covered before , but I searched all the prior threads and didnt see anything on her Spanish roots.

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HI everyone,
Just as an update to my last post. I found what I think is Beatriz info from the Pasajeros A India list for 1535. It states that her mother was Leonor Hernandez. My research via the historical site for Colima states Teresa de Recalde.

Can anyone shed light on her mother's name?

Thanks,
Pauline

Research Digest, Vol 126, Issue 12

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Danny it says mister engineer, señor ingeniero.

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Dear Sirs, the word before of the name Don Manuel Mendoza is :

Ingeniero, that means Engineer

I hope this may help

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Thank you Bob, George, Emilie, Beverly, Esther, Jose and Paige for all your
help. I really appreciate it.

Danny C. Alonso

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It says "Ingeniero"... Spanish for Engineer.

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Danny,

"Ingeniero" means engineer but does not specify what specialty in engineering.

Here's what the Collins dictionary lists:

ingeniero , a sm/f ( ingeniero a veces SF ) engineer
mi hermana es ingeniera o ingeniero/my sister's an engineer
♦ ingeniero/a aeronáutico/a aeronautical engineer
♦ ingeniero/a agrónomo/a agronomist, agricultural expert
♦ ingeniero/a de caminos, canales y puertos civil engineer
♦ ingeniero/a de mantenimiento maintenance engineer
♦ ingeniero/a de minas mining engineer
♦ ingeniero/a de montes forestry expert
♦ ingeniero/a de sonido sound engineer
♦ ingeniero/a de telecomunicaciones telecommunications engineer
♦ ingeniero/a de vuelo flight engineer
♦ ingeniero/a forestal forestry expert
♦ ingeniero/a industrial industrial engineer
♦ ingeniero/a naval naval architect
♦ ingeniero/a químico/a chemical engineer

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It says: Engineer, who was perhaps civil engineer, so it was dedicated to the construction.

Greetings

Ramon Baez

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

in this baptism for Susana Isabel Carolina Mendoza can someone in the forum
say what the word in front of her dad Don Manuel Mendoza means?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-65DS-TWR

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Susana Isabel Carolina Mendoza

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

in this baptism for Susana Isabel Carolina Mendoza can someone in the forum
say what the word in front of her dad Don Manuel Mendoza means?

https://familysearch.org/ark

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"*Ingeniero*" means

*engineer*
Esther

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It looks like "yngenerio" which is "engineer".

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Jewish ancestry of Juan Aguilar Solorzano's mother

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Dear Bill,

1). Pedro Solorzano and Maria Diaz de Saldaña are the parents of Juan de Aguilar Solorzano. Pedro and Maria are from "villa de Aguilar de Campo, Palencia" (Spain)

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Maria Diaz de Saldaña Converted to Catholicism about 1483. When her her closest relatives were expelled from Spain she inherited their property (farmland and houses).

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1). Pedro Solorzano and Maria Diaz de Saldaña are the parents of Juan de Aguilar Solorzano. Pedro and Maria are from "villa de Aguilar de Campo, Palencia" (Spain)

[Maria Diaz de Saldaña is a widow by 23/March/1493] {She is a conversa. Her brother and uncle remained Jewish and were expelled from Spain.}

2). Juan Aguilar Solorzano and Ana Martel are the parents of Juan Aguilar y Solorzano "el mozo" (junior) (II)

Juan Aguilar Solorzano and Ana Martel had many children: Alonso, Juan "el mozo", Gonzalo, Hernando, Ines, Magdalena, Maria, Cristobal, Pedro Solorzano (priest).Ana Martel had a son Named Diego de Mexia De la Torre from another marriage. Ines was married twice, first to Geronimo Flores, secondly to Juan Labayen. Geronimo was a relative of her half brother Diego Mexia de la Torre (his father was Melchor Perez de la Torre). Hernando was married to Francisca Monroy.

Later I will post the descendants of the siblings of Juan "el mozo " Aguilar Solorzano (Junior)
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Los Angeles Times article "Hispanic genealogy made easy" focus on Mimi Lozano, SHAAR and Somos Primos

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Today's LA Times has an excellent article on Mexican genealogy and the origins of SHAAR and Somos Primos. It is based on interviews with Mimi Lozano and others.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (no verificado) – Mié, 2016-07-27 08:03 | Enlace permanente

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Thank you Mary Lou for the heads up on the article. If is nice to hear the group get attention for its wonderful work.

Rick A. Ricci

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And thank you Mary Lou Montagna for informing us of this, and reminding us of our roots, literally. For me in particular, this was where I got my start and flourished. I met and worked with all the wonderful individuals - primos - you mentioned, as well as yourself.

I have to find this article. Gracias otra vez.

Family Search Indexing

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Have you heard about this? Family Search is allowing indexers to choose projects.

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Hi Sherri,

Thank you for the info. This is exactly the tool I was looking for and I did not know family search had it available- I guess since it is in the pilot stages they are not promoting it too much yet?

I downloaded the chrome extension to start indexing on family search already. And I worked on indexing a record as a test and it was very easy. The system allows you to index any record that has not been indexed so you can pick any record/film you want to work on.
Apparently, the files indexed with this tool are not searchable in the regular family search page yet, but only through this family search pilot tool. But they do plan to make them searchable in the near future on their website.

I agree that it would be great to have a Los Altos/Nuestros Ranchos Group for this tool- please let me know if one is set up to join in. The benefit to be part of a group appears to be that researchers can search easily all the records indexed by a group- this would allow good

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You are correct if the 200 plus members of NR all helped index it would be amazing.
I also stopped indexing because I got frustrated with their accuracy assessment. Granted I did make mistakes, so a review process is necessary. You download data and enter it using a prescribed format, then another person reviews your work for accuracy. Some projects were easier than others, for example, I enjoyed the 1940's Census, but indexing ship manifests was difficult.
I had to study the handwriting and possible names in foreign languages, only to have the work considered erroneous.
I feel I need to concentrate on my family genealogy now, before I run out of time.
I encourage you to try it, many of us on this forum would benefit from your work, and it would be a labor of love.

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That's good to know.

I did indexing a few years ago for them. I was accurate but received too much criticism from them because I didn't use the Ñ "énye" or put the accents over some of the letters (that have it) in the Spanish language.

Many other indexers didn't do it either,and I decided to give up indexing due to the "nit-picking".

Joseph de Leon

Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico 1592

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I was looking in the PARS website on Capitan Miguel Caldera and I came a page where at the top of the page around line 7 it talks about the Chichimecas in Mezquitic.

Bautismos de Tepetongo 1861 Missing

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Hi all,

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Laura, the numbers are for the page number not the Familysearch number
I found Celia Sanchez on page 199
I found Cruz Sanchez on page 235.. their fathers were brother and the grandparents are Simon Sanchez and Celedonia Herrera.
Linda Castanon-Long

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Laura,

The numbers next to the names represent page no.

You can find entry for Celsa (169) in image 199 (Right side at the bottom), Cruz (235) in image 235 (Right side at the bottom) and Sacramento (548) in image 413 (Left side at the top.

Good luck in your search.

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Laura

I took a look at the online Family Search catalog for Tepetongo. There are two entires for church records. The first does not give any clues as to whether or not the 1861 church records exist, but the second shows gaps for 1860 and 1861. This suggests that the records may be lost, or at best not microfilmed.

Sometimes the records are out of order, or may exist in a another volume. However, from what I see, I'm not optimistic. But I would look in the marriage and IM volumes that cover that period just in case. Check the next volume of baptisms just to be sure.

Civil registration of births in Tepetongo begins in 1861. My experience has been that you often cannot find both church and civil entires for the children; you'll sometimes different children in each.

Sorry for the less-than-optimistic news.

George Fulton

Rosa Maria de Fonseca parents

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Hello forum,

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Minerva,

There was a Francisco de Isassi m. Nicolasa Baez de la Cerda Dec. 01 1668 in Sta. Ma. de los Lagos too. This Francisco might be the witness. I'll continue my search in this direction.

Thanks for your comment.

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Hi Ruben,
I am not familiar with this family but Francisco Issasi was one of the witnesses listed on the marriage certificate of Juan Garcia and Rosa Maria.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VY9F-KW?i=143&wc=3JZR-SP8%…

Did Domingo de Fonseca and Felipa de Issasi have a kid named Francisco who could have been old enough to be a witness at his sister wedding? Or do you know if Felipa de Issasi had a brother named Francisco? Maybe that could be further proof that Rosa Maria is daughter of Domingo de Fonseca and Felipa de Issasi.

Sorry I wish I could help more. Good luck on your search.
Minerva

Member Introduction

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Hola Primos y Vecinos,
I am searching for information or relatives on the Paternal side of my family.

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Hi prima,

Welcome to the group. I took a look at your work, and I'm sorry, I have nothing to offer, at this time. I do have Gonzalez de Hermosillo, but not in the same communities. I'm sure someone around here has the info you need.

Good hunting & saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Manny,

Thank you for your kind acknowledgement and welcome. Is your Gonzalez Hermosillo community from Jalostotitlan? I have an Ancestry DNA Match with someone whose family is from that community, but haven't discovered our common ancestor(s) yet.

Con ganas,
La Hija del Charro

Searching for information on Antonio Pantaleon or Don Antonio Gil Gutierrez

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Hi everyone.

Looking for help in finding records on:
(1) Antonio Pantaleon &
(2) Don Antonio Gil Gutierrez (Antonio's owner and possible father).

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Mario,

the father of Ana Maria Placencia is Cristobal Placencia.

Josepha Ruiz and Cristobal Placencia baptised a boy in 1740 in Jalostitlan and they baptized a girl in 1742 in Jalostitlan

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK91-DGH

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKSM-7KM

I also looked up this one where Josepha Ruiz and Xptobal(Cristobal) de la Trinidad baptised a girl named Juana Maria de Santiago, mulata libre, in 1755, so sometimes he didn't use Placencia as his last name. The padrinos were Juan de Dios Gutierrez and his daughter Maria Regina Gutierrez, probably relatives of your Gutierrez family.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XY9M-JK

Danny C. Alonso

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Danny, thank for making out the name "Cristobal" out of Xptobal. I don't know how long I looked at that document to figure it out with no luck. Now, it looks clear to me after you point it out.

I was also thinking that Don Antonio Gil Gutierrez, slave owner of Antonio Placencia, could be the father--illegitimate of course of Antonio Placencia.

Do you have any suggestions on how I could find information on Don Antonio Gil Gutierrez?

Again, thank you for the helping me find more leads.

Have a nice day!
--Mario A. Gutierrez

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Mario,

i don't really know how to figure out if Don Antonio Gil Gutierrez is the father of Antonio Pantoleon, although it seems like it makes sense since the mother lists the father as padres no conocidos, but unless you find another record that lists him as the father it's probly going to be hard to figure out.

i also dont know who Antonio Gil Gutierrez is, but he may be connected to this family here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYBZ-K

this is a marriage for Don Jose Antonio Gutierrez and Doña Maria Andrea Iñiguez in 1802. Don Antonio Gutierrez parents in this marriage are Don Andres Gutierrez and Doña Margarita Placencia, both would probly been married close to you Antonio Pantoleon, so they might be related to your Don Antonio Gil Gutierrez. I don't know anything about this family really other than they also use the name Gutierrez de Hermosillo.

Danny C. Alonso

Registros Parroquiales 1648 - 1961 (includes Huejuquilla El Alto)

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This "Registros Parroquiales 1648 - 1961" says it includes Huejuquilla El Alto.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/registros-parroquiales-1648-1961/oclc/866…

Says:

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Does anyone know whether Bill Figueroa is still part of this group?

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Joseph De Urquiola , primer conde de Santiago de la laguna 19 nov 1727

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Does anyone from Zacatecas, have the family history for the Conde De Santiago de la Laguna.

My family de Santiago from Colotlan Jalisco have connection to tabasco Zacatecas.

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http://historiadeladiocesisdezacatecas.blogspot.com/2015_03_01_archive…

1828.- 5 de noviembre. – En este año el Mineral de Plateros tenía 42 familias, 172 personas de todos estados y edades, mientras que la Cabecera, las haciendas y los ranchos tenían los siguientes habitantes: La villa del Fresnillo 537 familias y 2686 personas; al oriente = Hacienda del Mesquite 289 familias y 1626 personas; rancho de patillos 10 familias y 133 personas; rancho de Sedano 9 familias y 59 personas; rancho de Santiago 6 familias y 31 personas; rancho de Jocoqui 2 familias y 9 personas; rancho de Santana 1 familia y 5 personas; hacienda de Ojuelos 8 familias y 39 personas; Arroyo de En medio 5 familias y 28 personas; Tapias 9 familias y 46 personas; Peñasco 5 familias y 29 personas; Fuentes 8 familias y 34 personas; Boca de Lobos 3 familias y 11 personas; Estansuela 3 familias y 12 personas; Los Chilitos 4 familias y 15 personas; Al sur = hacienda de Valdecañas 2 familias y 7 personas; San Nicolás

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La hacienda de Santiago del Cuidado, Tepetongo, Zac. de don Antonio y don Bartolomé de la Campa y Cos, sobrinos del Conde de San Mateo de Valparaíso a principios del siglo XVIII.

Defunciones Zacatecas, Zacatecas. 1683-1686

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Hola a todos. Agradecería información acerca de opciones de consulta de DEFUNCIONES en la ciudad de Zacatecas entre 1683-1686. He tratado en familysearch pero no existen registros en línea.

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Hola Sotero,

Es que no hay: las defunciones en Sagrario, Zacatecas, Zac, empiezan con el año 1800. Falta mucho en sus archivos, destruido en un incendio, se dice. Mas, no estan registrados todos los archivos, y de vez en cuando hay que mirar a cada rollo, a todos los imagenes:
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index?owc=3P9S-GP8%3A147580301%2C…

Vale la pena echar un vistazo en Panuco, Zac, tambien; durante los años 1600, he encontrado a antepasados mios, que vivian en Cdad Zacatecas, bautizando a hijos y saliendo de padrinos en Panuco:
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index?owc=3P9T-SPD%3A147333801%2C…

Suerte,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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Gracias Manny, no había respondido, porque el sitio no me había avisado que tenía una respuesta. Efectivamente no hay registros para ésas fechas.
De cualquier modo si alguna vez te topas con el nombre de NICOLAS AZCARRAGA, me avisas.
Nuevamente gracias y Saludos.

Lopez de la Serda

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Hi Everyone,
Lopez de la Cerda came up in a previous email and I want to ask if anyone
in the NR forum has any information on the grandparents of Phelipe Lopez De
La Serda Marin , who married Juan

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Does anyone know whether Bill Figueroa is still part of this group? I was researching a recent find where my ancestors are from this family line, specifically Simona Lopes de la Cerda and Nicolas Martin. I'd like to find Bill's sources to keep on researching this family line. Thank you.

"Lopez de la Serda
Submitted by Bill Figueroa on Sun, 2012-07-08 02:45.
Juan, Alice & Jose,

. . .

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria had three children: Agustin, Josepha and Simona Lopez de la Cerda. Agustin (el mozo) married Maria de Isla y Sotomayor 3 Jun 1667 in Aguascalientes. Josepha married Isidro Martin de Sotomayor (date unknown) and Simona married Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor (17 Sep 1667) in Teocaltiche. Nicolas, Isidro and Maria were brothers and sister. As far as I know, only the children of Agustin and Maria carried the surname Lopez de la Cerda in Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes.

. . .

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA"

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For my fellow genealogists:

Maria de Islas y Sotomayor indicated in her will dated 8 Feb 1713 that she and her late husband Agustin Lopez de la Cerda had five children (Felix Juan el mayor, Juan el menor, Agustina, Esteban and Antonio) and that they all married. Her testament can be accessed online in the Aguascalientes archives.

Felix Juan el mayor age 29 married 6 Feb 1701 AGS to Elvira Lopez Muñoz (aka Elvira de Cobos), hija legitima de Miguel de Cobos and Teresa Lopes Muños. I stress hija legitima because Elvira’s mother was deceased and her father was a priest when Elvira married. On that same day in AGS Juan el menor age 27 married Teresa Lopez Muñoz (aka Teresa de Cobos), sister of Elvira. When the brothers provided their marriage information on January 17 and 18, 1701, one of their witnesses was Francisco Martin de Sotomayor, their primo hermano.

It appears that 1701 was a busy year for the Lopez de la Cerda family. On 20 Dec 1701 the two younger brothers also gave

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It is obvious I am computer illiterate. I wanted to add my comments in this group. But somehow started a new string. Mea culpa. I and I hope you will continue to add comments here and ignore the one I started.

Mary Lou

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Ok,Edgar yo tengo el libro en casa , te lo buscó esta tardé y te lo envio hoy mismo.
Martha Gomez
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From: "Bill Figueroa"
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 9:56 AM

Hola Edgar,

No estoy seguro si Luz Montejano-Hilton pertenece a este foro, pero talvez puedas hacerle la pregunta que quieres en su blog de facebook.

https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano
https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano.genealogiaparatodos

El libro aludido "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara..." lo publicó hace ya varios años y no sé si se haya hecho una reimpresión. Yo tengo acceso a ese libro en la biblioteca pública de la ciudad de Dallas.

Saludos,

BILL FIGUEROA

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Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:02 PM
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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola martha gomez
como estas ? espero que bien
entonces me haces ese favor
para encotrar ese documento
que tanto me hace falta para comprobar
mis lineas
te lo agradeceria mucho amiga
saludos
que tengas un buen dia
bye

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Claro que si Edgar,solo que estoy de vacaciones y regreso a casa el próximo
domingo,te lo mando en cuanto llegue.
Saludos,Martha
On Jul 15, 2013 6:27 AM, wrote:

> Edgar Olguin Diaz
> hola martha gomez
> como estas ? espero que bien
> entonces me haces ese favor
> para encotrar ese documento
> que tanto me hace falta para comprobar
> mis lineas
> te lo agradeceria mucho amiga
> saludos que tengas un buen dia
> bye

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola
martha gomez
como estas? espero que muy bien
siempre encontrastes el enlace de la dispensa
de los lopez de la cerda?
te lo encargo si no es mucha molestia amiga
saludos
que tengas un buen dia
bye

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Si,hoy en la noche lo sacó y te lo mando.Saludos
On Aug 5, 2013 7:42 AM, wrote:

> Edgar Olguin Diaz
> hola
> martha gomez
> como estas? espero que muy bien
> siempre encontrastes el enlace de la dispensa
> de los lopez de la cerda?
> te lo encargo si no es mucha molestia amiga
> saludos
> que tengas un buen dia
> bye

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
HOLA AMIGA MARTHA
UN CORDIAL SALUDO
AMIGA TIENES EL LINK O EL DOCUMENTO DONDE PUEDO COMPROBAR
QUIENES SON LOS PADRES DE ANTONIO LOPEZ DE LA CERDA ESPOSO DE DE JOSEPHA ALONSO DE LOS HINOJOS?
MUCHOS MENCIONAN QUE LOS PADRES DE ANTONIO SON AGUSTIN LOPEZ DE LA CERDA Y MARIA DE ROELAS O ISLA Y SOTOMAYOR.

PERO QUISIERA TENER ESE EL DOCUMENTO DONDE PUEDA COMPROBAR QUIENES ERAN LOS PADRES DE ANTONIO.

GRACIAS POR ATENCION PRESTADA
SALUDOS

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By the way Juan, Do you have any further information about Juana Pérez de Frías? I have just found the names of her parents: Fabián Pérez de Frías and Rosa Flores, but haven't been able to find anything else.

Thanks in advance =D

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I'm sorry, I'm coming in late into the conversation and don't know what was
said before. My 5ggmo is Maria Catharina Perez de Frias. She was baptized
21 May 1721 in Mexticacan. She had a brother, Luiz, md to Juana Josepha
Placencia, md 31 Jul 1741 in Nochistlan. Their parents were Gregorio Perez
de Frias (or Islas), and Magdalena Yanez, md 18 Jan, 1712 in Nochistlan.
Does this help?

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, wrote:

> By the way Juan, Do you have any further information about Juana Pérez de
> Frías? I have just found the names of her parents: Fabián Pérez de Frías
> and Rosa Flores, but haven't been able to find anything else.
>
> Thanks in advance =D

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Thanks for your response Raquel. We'll see if it helps out. Its another
lead so hopefully it does. If I find anything I'll let you guys know. It
may be a couple of weeks since I'm limited on time at the moment.

Gracias,
Juan Aguayo

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Raquel Ruiz wrote:

> I'm sorry, I'm coming in late into the conversation and don't know what was
> said before. My 5ggmo is Maria Catharina Perez de Frias. She was baptized
> 21 May 1721 in Mexticacan. She had a brother, Luiz, md to Juana Josepha
> Placencia, md 31 Jul 1741 in Nochistlan. Their parents were Gregorio Perez
> de Frias (or Islas), and Magdalena Yanez, md 18 Jan, 1712 in Nochistlan.
> Does this help?
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, wrote:
>
> > By the way Juan, Do you have any further information about Juana Pérez de
> > Frías? I have just found the names of her parents: Fabián Pérez de Frías
> > and Rosa Flores, but haven't been able to find anything else.
> >
> > Thanks in advance =D
> > -- -- -- --

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This is my connection to De La Serda family : Francisco De Pedroza married
Juana Lopez De La Serda on 1745 in Teocaltiche. Her parents were Matheo De
La Serda and Jasinta Marin. Does anyone have a Pedroza or De Pedroza in
their family tree?
Esteban Pedroza

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Jose,
Tell me what you've got as De la Serda's are concerned.  I'm also researching that surname.  After several years, it would be great and a first, if I was related to anyone in this group.  Thanis,  Alice

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Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 4:34 PM

i'm stuck there as well. Can't find anything about them :(

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Jose and Alice,

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married
(veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. He is the first Lopez de la Cerda
in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in
the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children. I
have a lot of information about their descendants. Let me know if I can
help.

BILL FIGUEROA

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Hello Bill,
Thanks so much for your offer to help.  I'm not sure if we're on the same track, as my De la Serda can only be traced back to Jose Manuel de la Serda who married Ma Guadalupe Lisalde 11/13/1767, in Lampazaos de Naranjo, Nuevo Leon.  I'd be thrilled if indeed, we were researching the same ancestors.  Thanks again.  Alice 

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From: Bill Figueroa
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, July 6, 2012, 10:00 PM

Jose and Alice,

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucía Rodríguez de Victoria were married (veiled) 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi.  He is the first Lopez de la Cerda in my database. His son Agustin and daughters Josepha and Simona lived in the Aguascalientes-Teocaltiche area where they married and had children.  I have a lot of information about their descendants.  Let me know if I can help.

BILL FIGUEROA

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Bill, Alice & Jose,

I'm glad someone responded to my email from February and hopefully we can
collaborate on the Lopez de la Serda name. I have the following:

Juan Manuel Lopez de Cerda casado con Maria Guadalupe Farfan on April 25,
1792 in Teocaltiche Jalisco. Juan Manuel was babtized June 28, 1750 in
Teocaltiche, Jalisco (nacio en Rio Chico, Jalisco) and his parents are
listed as Phelipe Lopez and Juana Perez.

I have Phelipe Lopez de la Serda casado con Juana Perez de Frias on May 21,
1749 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco (vecinos de Rio Chico, Jalisco) and their
parents are listed as: Matheo Lopez de la Serda and Jacinta Marin and
Fabian Perez de Frias (difunto) and Rosa Flores, respectively.

My trail for the Lopez de la Serda, Marin, Perez de Frias, and Flores ends
here. Do you guys have anymore info on these people?

Bill thanks for your information, maybe I can tie Phelipe Lopez de Serda to
the Agustin, Josepha or Simona as you have listed in your response.

Saludos,

Juan Aguayo

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Juan, Alice & Jose,

Phelipe Lopez de la Cerda had a sister named Juana Lopez de la Cerda, who was baptized 14 Jun 1711 in Teocaltiche. I have not been able to determine if their father Matheo Lopez de la Cerda (married to Jacinta Marin) is related to Agustín Lopez de la Cerda, but will continue searching all available records. In case you're interested, Juana Lopez de la Cerda married Francisco de Pedroza 28 Apr 1745 in Teocaltiche, where they had four sons baptized: Juan Gregorio (1746), Ignacio Ventura (1748), Joseph Juachin Mariano (1750) and Juan Antonio de la Cruz Pedroza (1753).

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda married Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria 13 Nov 1635 in San Luis Potosi. Agustin's parents were Francisco Lopez and Francisca de los Angeles, and Lucia's parents were Antonio Rodriguez and Catalina de Victoria. Antonio and Catalina were married 01 Jun 1601 in Patzcuaro, Mich.

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda had a brother named Miguel Lopez de la Cerda, who married Maria Magdalena

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Hello Bill-

Thanks for the information on this family line! Would you mind sharing the source that connects Simona as daughter of Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucia Rodriguez?

Regarding Agustina Lopez de la Cerda daughter of Agustin de la Cerda and Maria de Islas, based on a dispensa (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18416-37865-42?cc=1874591&wc…) posted on Claudia's site, I have that she married Juan Delgadillo and had the following children:

1. Elvira married Juan Baptista Macias Valadez
2. Maria Manuela bap. August 30, 1711
3. Nicolasa married Juan Joseph de Loebana May 20, 1732
4. Ignacia married Cayetano Francisco Cortez January 7, 1730

Regards,
Austin Perez

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Hi Austin,

On July 26, 1716 Simona Lopez de la Cerda filed her final will and
testament in Aguascalientes, which contains the following information:

"En el nombre de Dios todopoderoso y de la Virgen
SSm. N. S. amen, notorio sea a los q' la presente carta
de mi testamento vieren como yo Simona Lopes vesina
de la Villa de Ags. Calientes hija lixitima de Augustin Lo
pes de la Serda y de Lucia Rodrigs. naturales de la ciudad
de S. Luis Potosi de donde yo lo soy, estando enferma
en cama en mi entero juicio cabal y natural memoria
creyendo como creo en el misterio de la SS Trini
dad Dios Padre, Dios Hijo y Dios Espiritu Santo tres per
sonas distintas y un solo Dios verdadero ... (...)"

It continues a few paragraphs later:

"Ittn. declaro para el descargo de mi conciencia
q' fui casada y velada segun orden de N. S. Madre Ygla. (Yglesia)
con Nicolas Martin de Soto Mayor vesino de Sierra de Sierra
de Pinos de quien fui albasea cuyo testamento ten

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Bill,
Thanks so much for your information, unfortunately at this point in time I personally don't find a connection to my De la Serda's.  I'll keep your info and and perhaps with further research on my part there will be a connection.  Thanks again.  Alice

--- On Sun, 7/8/12, Bill Figueroa wrote:

From: Bill Figueroa
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 6:40 AM

Juan, Alice & Jose,

Phelipe Lopez de la Cerda had a sister named Juana Lopez de la Cerda, who was baptized 14 Jun 1711 in Teocaltiche.  I have not been able to determine if their father Matheo Lopez de la Cerda (married to Jacinta Marin) is related to Agustín Lopez de la Cerda, but will continue searching all available records.  In case you're interested, Juana Lopez de la Cerda married Francisco de Pedroza 28 Apr 1745 in Teocaltiche, where they had four sons baptized: Juan Gregorio (1746), Ignacio Ventura (1748), Joseph Juachin Mariano (1750) and

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill figueroa
saludos
una pregunta
una de mis lineas genealogicas tengo a lorensa lopez de la cerda casada con diego delgado
en el año 1727 en aguascalientes
queria saber si antonia lorenza lopez de la cerda hija de antonio lopez y josepha alonso de los hinojos son las mismas?

en mi punto de vista veo que si son la misma persona pero queria su opinion amiga
se lo agradeceria mucho
saludos

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Hola Edgar,

Antonia Lorenza López de la Cerda, hija de Antonio López de la Cerda y Sotomayor y Josepha Alonso de los Hinojos, casó dos veces: la primera con Diego Delgado el 19 de agosto de 1720 (no 1727) en la Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes y la segunda al quedar viuda con Ignacio Joseph del Carmen Ruiz de Esparza el 3 de febrero de 1754, en la misma parroquia. Diego y Lorenza procrearon cinco hijos legítimos: 1) Pablo Joseph, 2) Gregoria Manuela, 3) Francisco de Paula, 4) Phelipa y 5) Diego de la Concepción Delgado López. Ignacio y Lorenza solicitaron una dispensa de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara para contraer matrimonio. No tuvieron hijos.

"Aguascalientes, Ags. Junio 11 de 1753. Exp. 54.- Dispensa de tercer grado puro de consanguinidad y tercero con cuarto grado de afinidad por cópula lícita.- Ignacio Ruiz de Esparza, español de 39 años de edad, originario y vecino de este partido de la Villa de Aguascalientes en el Chichimeco: con Lorenza López, española de 53

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill figueroa
te lo agradezco muchisimo esta
informacion me hizo aclara varias dudas
ya me puse a investigar y encontre registros
de matrimonio y defunciones de las personas que se mencionan

trate de buscar el registro de la dispensa en guadalajara de ignacio y lorenza
pero no pude encotrarla
me podrias orientar como encontrar esta dispensa?

te lo agradezco
saludos
que tengas un fabuloso dia

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Edgar,

Puedes buscar la dispensa en el Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Rollo 168010 OAH 2359 pt. 2, Matrimonios Hojas Sueltas, 1752-1753. Los datos fueron extraídos del microfilm por María Luz Montejano Hilton, quien los publicó en su libro "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia: expedintes de la serie de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII." Esos datos los verifiqué yo mismo con el documento original pero no tengo el enlace a mano. Tendrás que buscarlo.

Saludos,

BILL FIGUEROA

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From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 1:40 PM
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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill figueroa
te lo agradezco muchisimo esta
informacion me hizo aclara varias dudas
ya me puse a investigar y encontre registros
de matrimonio y defunciones de las personas que se mencionan

trate de buscar el registro de la

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill
ya tengo localizado el micrifilm que me pasastes
que es el 168010 microfilm año 1753 en diocesis de guadalajara
estube checando pero viene muy revuelto no llevan un orden en las fechas buscando
la fecha 11 de junio 1753 de la dispensa y son 621 imagenes algo dificil de encontrar
pero no la e podido encontrar como puedo comunicarme con la persona maria luz montejano hilton para aver si tiene el enlace
te lo agradezco mucho por la informacion que me mandastes
saludos
gracias

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Hola Edgar,

No estoy seguro si Luz Montejano-Hilton pertenece a este foro, pero talvez puedas hacerle la pregunta que quieres en su blog de facebook.

https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano
https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano.genealogiaparatodos

El libro aludido "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara..." lo publicó hace ya varios años y no sé si se haya hecho una reimpresión. Yo tengo acceso a ese libro en la biblioteca pública de la ciudad de Dallas.

Saludos,

BILL FIGUEROA

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To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:02 PM
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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill
ya tengo localizado el micrifilm que me pasastes
que es el 168010 microfilm año 1753 en diocesis de guadalajara
estube checando pero viene muy revuelto no llevan un orden en las fechas buscando
la fecha 11 de junio 1753 de la dispensa y son 621 imagenes algo dificil de

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Esa acta esta despues de una con fecha Oct 21 1751 de los Pinos Zacatecas
Saludos, Martha Gomez

2013/7/12 Bill Figueroa

> Hola Edgar,
>
> No estoy seguro si Luz Montejano-Hilton pertenece a este foro, pero talvez
> puedas hacerle la pregunta que quieres en su blog de facebook.
>
> https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano
> https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano.genealogiaparatodos
>
> El libro aludido "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara..." lo publicó hace ya
> varios años y no sé si se haya hecho una reimpresión. Yo tengo acceso a
> ese libro en la biblioteca pública de la ciudad de Dallas.
>
> Saludos,
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
>
>
> Edgar Olguin Diaz
> hola bill
> ya tengo localizado el micrifilm que me pasastes
> que es el 168010 microfilm año 1753 en diocesis de guadalajara
>

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Perdon , me Equivoque, esta despues de una que esta fechada Oct. 21 1753

2013/7/12 Bill Figueroa

> Hola Edgar,
>
> No estoy seguro si Luz Montejano-Hilton pertenece a este foro, pero talvez
> puedas hacerle la pregunta que quieres en su blog de facebook.
>
> https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano
> https://es-la.facebook.com/luzmontejano.genealogiaparatodos
>
> El libro aludido "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara..." lo publicó hace ya
> varios años y no sé si se haya hecho una reimpresión. Yo tengo acceso a
> ese libro en la biblioteca pública de la ciudad de Dallas.
>
> Saludos,
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda
>
>
> Edgar Olguin Diaz
> hola bill
> ya tengo localizado el micrifilm que me pasastes
> que es el 168010 microfilm año 1753 en diocesis de guadalajara
> estube checando pero

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola
mucha gracias amiga bill
yo le preguntare por facebook
te lo agradezco mucho
que tengas un feliz fin de semana
saludos
bye

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola a todoss amigos
alguien me podria pasar el link de la dispensa de ignacio ruiz de esparza y lorenza lopez de la cerda viuda de diego delgado?

me dieronn estos datos
Aguascalientes, Ags. Junio 11 de 1753. Exp. 54 en microfilm en diocecis de guadalajara 1753

pero no eh podido encontrarla

alguien me podria ayudar?
se lo agradeceria mucho
saludos

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill figueroa
estaba checando algunos datos
los cuales me enfoque con el matrimonio
de agustin lopez de la cerda y maria de isla
como se menciona con matrimonio de 3 de junio 1667 en aguascalientes,
encontre este matrimonio y me di cuenta
que agustin lopez se caso con maria de roelas y que maria de isla
es madre de maria de roelas
tengo dudas
saludos

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Edgar,

Efectivamente, Agustín López de la Cerda (el mozo) contrajo matrimonio el 3 de junio de 1667 con María de Isla y Sotomayor (aka María de las Roelas, María de Islas) en Aguascalientes. María de Isla y Sotomayor, originaria de Sierra de Pinos, es hija de Andrés Martín de Sotomayor y María de Isla y Moctezuma. Como te habrás dado cuenta, en ese tiempo usaban los apellidos en el orden que mas les convenía o que les sonaba mejor, ya que los nombres de pila se repetían en las familias por varias generaciones.

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA

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From: edgar_eemo@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lopez de la Serda

Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola bill figueroa
estaba checando algunos datos
los cuales me enfoque con el matrimonio
de agustin lopez de la cerda y maria de isla
como se menciona con matrimonio de 3 de junio 1667 en aguascalientes,
encontre este

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola
te lo agradezco mucho amigaa
investigare por esa linea
por los padres de maria de isla o
aver si consigo esas lineas
mil gracias sinceramente
saludos
estamos en contacto
bye

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buen dia bill Figueroa

estaba checando en mis apuntes sobre esta pareja de agustin lopez de la cerda y maria de las ruelas casados el 03 junio 1667 Aguascalientes en este registro matrimonial solo se mencionan los padres de maria pero los de agustin no.

como conectaron que agustin lopez de la cerda y lucia rodriguez de victoria son los padres de agustin esposo de maria de la ruelas?

hay alguna dispensa?
un testamento que acredite esta conexión?

gracias por la atención prestada

saludos

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
HOLA BILL
UN CORDIAL SALUDO
UNA PREGUNTA
COMO PUEDO DEMOSTRAR QUIENES ERAN LOS PADRES DE ANTONIO LOPEZ DE LA CERDA ESPOSO DE JOSEPHA ALONSO DE LOS HINOJOS?

TENGO DOCUMENTADO QUE LORENZA LOPEZ DELA SERDA VIUDA DE DIEGO DELGADO CASADA CON IGNACIO RUIZ EN EL DISPENSA SE MENCIONAN LOS PADRES DE LORENZA QUE SON ANTONIO LOPEZ DE LA SERDA Y JOSEPHA ALONSO DE LOS HINOJOS.Y EN EL MATRIMONIO DE ESTA ULTIMA PAREJA SOLAMENTE SE MENCIONAN LOS PADRES DE JOSEPHA ALONSO DE LOS HINOJOS LOS DE ANTONIO DICE QUE SE DESCONOCEN LOS PADRES .

EXISTEN ALGUN DOCUMENTO DONDE PUEDA DEMOSTRAR QUIENES ERAN SUS PADRES ?
UNA DISPENSA O UN TESTAMENTO?

TE LO AGRADECERIA MUCHO

QUE TENGAS UN BUEN DIA
SALUDOS

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Does anyone know whether Bill Figueroa is still part of this group? I was researching a recent find where my ancestors are from this family line, specifically Simona Lopes de la Cerda and Nicolas Martin. I'd like to find Bill's sources to keep on researching this family line. Thank you.

"Lopez de la Serda
Submitted by Bill Figueroa on Sun, 2012-07-08 02:45.
Juan, Alice & Jose,

. . .

Agustin Lopez de la Cerda and Lucia Rodriguez de Victoria had three children: Agustin, Josepha and Simona Lopez de la Cerda. Agustin (el mozo) married Maria de Isla y Sotomayor 3 Jun 1667 in Aguascalientes. Josepha married Isidro Martin de Sotomayor (date unknown) and Simona married Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor (17 Sep 1667) in Teocaltiche. Nicolas, Isidro and Maria were brothers and sister. As far as I know, only the children of Agustin and Maria carried the surname Lopez de la Cerda in Teocaltiche and Aguascalientes.

. . .

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA"

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