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This would be a bit odd if it was in the 1500's or even in the 1600's, I've seen plenty of records showing Spanish people as poor, situations are many, and by the 1700's societies in Mexico where no necessarily driven by race as we may think, for example Peninsulares had (usually) more rights than Spanish Criollos, been "white" wasn't enough any more, one of the reasons for the Independence.

Now the "poor" condition could have a myriad of backgrounds, for example not all kids in wealthy families "make it", nor all had inheritances, we find often siblings in a total opposite situations. Some times the parents would inherit or give everything they had to their kids passing away in "poverty", some loose their wealth, and some where never rich at all, many came to the continent between the mid 1600's and 1800's as a regular workers, with no much in their homeland and lived as a laborers for all their life, and the list can keep going.

Now the interesting part of that document is the fact

Look at the page number 144 of the film 226724, second from the top at the right page. (is indeed Nicolas de Bargas)

Based on just and only the information you just described above, I would think that there were two Melchora de los Reyes, the records of their kids that you had mention may provide more information, like the godparents (establishing a family/acquaintance circle) that may link the two as family only. The fact that their kids overlap in time is strong enough evidence to separate them, would be different if on one side the kids were "natural" acknowledging they were out of marriage (not likely at all in this case). Therefore, what about the brother, mother and father's names? To my humble opinion, they (the Melchoras) could be cousins (out of two sisters named both Maria Delgadillo), otherwise why the second Melchora's marriage did not mention her father, I would think very unlikely that they would "hide" or "forget" to address a "Moscoso y Sandoval" person, this can be

Lightnings are notorious, a rather sad accidental dead, that still happens this days.

I am so happy to have found your conversation. It gives me new hope of finding more information on my family. I am also looking for family members in Mezquital del Oro and the surrounding areas. The oldest record I have for the Cida family is 1744, but then I had no idea where to go from there since there aren't very many records older than that. Thank you, and welcome!

Welcome to the group Harry. There is a marriage between a Don Manuel Mercado and Doña Gertrudis Gutierres on 10 May 1750:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11201-37441-43?cc=1804458&wc…

That marriage list Don Manuel Mercado as the son of Don Miguel Mercado and Doña Gertrudis Garcia. Don Manuel is listed as being originally from Nochistlan, so Don Miguel Mercado and Doña Gertrudis Garcia would've been married sometime before 1735 in Nochistlan most likely, which is where I would look for the marriage.

Christopher de Cuellar

From: "mercado@riverfast.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:56 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Harry Crittenden Mercado

Hello all,

I am in northern California and hope to become active in the local Nuestros group.

I descend from a Miguel Mercado and his wife Maria Gertrudis Garcia.  Their son, Jose Santiago Mercado was born in Mezquital Del Oro, Zac. 

Welcome Harry to Nuestros Ranchos,

There are many experienced genealogists, researchers, historians, DNA
experts that are ready and willing to assist in any way they can.

Alicia,

San Jose, Ca

On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:56 PM, wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I am in northern California and hope to become active in the local
> Nuestros group.
>
> I descend from a Miguel Mercado and his wife Maria Gertrudis Garcia.
> Their son, Jose Santiago Mercado was born in Mezquital Del Oro, Zac. Sept
> 8, 1748. I have a fairly well developed genealogy from that point forward.
> But I do not know Miguel's roots.
>
> Miguel and Maria had at least 5 children in Mezquital between 1740 and
> 1751. During the same time period, and in the same pueblo, Sebastian
> Mercado and Lucianna Nunes had four children - one being born in
> Nochistlan. Another Mercado couple, Nicolas and Maria Ynigues had at least
> one child in Mezquital. Finally, too, a Manuel Mercado and Gertrudis
> Guitierres had at least

i found jose's marriage record here
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15258-1065-5?cc=1804458&wc=M…

and i can give you more info.

jose's parents antonio and ynes got married in 1768 in colotlan.

antonio's parents are cristobal valenzuela and ygnacia de leon (my 8th great grandparents)

cristobal's parents are pedro valenzuela and francisca enriquez

ygnacia's parents are manuel de leon and josefa escobedo

Hi and welcome to Nuestros Ranchos!

I can try to answer some of your questions.
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1) Does anyone know if Rancho de Encinillas in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman was a kind of peon's hacienda? I am looking for any information possible about this ranch, as there seems to exist almost none online.
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I don't know anything personally about this rancho, but you can go to this online geographical dictionary of sorts, and if you click on E and scroll for Encinillas, it has a little bit of information about it, including a general location and number of inhabitants at the time of the book.
http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

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3) The abovementioned Gregorio Valenzuela was near the end of his life when he met Juana Velasquez and had three children with

I have seen this surname in the Mezquitic records.

Good luck,
Martha

Hello Marty and all the intrested in Huizar !! I have relation to the Huizar family, there is not much information on them and also is a uncommon surname and very tricky to write for indexers, sometimes it is missed spelled from writers on the original forms and on the indexing. The Huizar from Valparaiso is where I have the latest info for my family but it results that from 1834- 1865 there are missing records I am going to contact the church to ask if they do not have them or they are just not online available. There is why it is very little information on this surname. Hope everyone finds their roots and if you have more information please share. The last I have from my genealogy are these people: Crisanto Guisar married to Gertrudis Castañon born about 1850-60 they have as a child Marto Huizar born about 1880, who is my great grandfather but I have no records of any of them.

I am searching for marto huizar he was a cowboy in zacatecas worked for the Amaro family was married and on a trip his wife died and married an Amaro woman who he was traveling with because the Amaro family was getting away from the constitutionalist army !! Stablished on durango and had his family there!!
barbara melendez

Busco informacion de Marto Huizar era un arriero en zacatecas y trabajopara la familia amaro el era casado y en un viaje su esposa murio asi que se caso con una mujer de las Amaro a quien llevaba huyendo del ejercito Constitucionalista.
Se establecieron en Durango y ahi tuvieron a su familia.

andrew martell
hello my great grandpa was huizar and married to alvina gaeta

Marty,

Sorry, I didn't find any information on your Maria Huizar.

Here is my 2nd great grandparents:
Jose Roman Huizar and Maria Leonarda Cardenas -
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/VR/individual_record.asp?recid=1…

I still have family in the Rancho Agua Gorda, which is where Roman indicates his birth location.

For those of you who have the book:
Los Valdes de Totatiche, Leonarda Cardenas' picture is on the back cover. It is also found within the book on her family's page. Leonarda was the great granddaughter of Jose Leandro Valdes for whom the book is based on.

Marty when you are searching for Huizar relatives in the IGI or VRI index, be sure to spell it both Huizar and Huisar to get accurate records. Also occasionally I have seen it spelled Guizar and Guisar.
And once I even seen it spelled Quisar but when I ordered the film, the person who extracted the record mistook a G for a Q.

Many of the Huizar names in the

In Los Angeles, one of the City Councilman is named "Huizar" and he is from Fresnillo.

Marty wrote: Hi AG,
I am looking for a Maria Huizar... She would have
Been born in the late 1850's to the early 1860's...
I am finding out that Huizar is not a very common
surname... she married a Cristobal Hernandez, and
they had at least 2 children that I know of.... Zenona
Hernandez and a sister whose name I do not know.

It is very possible that lived in Colotlan andTotatiche
In Jalisco.

Thank you for contacting me and letting me know.

Marty

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From: A G
Date: 12/12/06 16:13:45
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; marty@vvm.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching Huizar

Hey Marty,

Welcome to the group. I am researching Huizar also.
Except that my Huizar family are from Colotlan and
Totatiche in Jalisco. It's not that far from
Fresnillo, I think...

Do you have any specific names? I can look them up
and see if I have any relatives with those names

Having looked at my royal ancestors (Howards), and read a little bit about them, I am not particularly excited about being descended from most of them. But the unsung heroes among the poor and destitute - who had no remembrance of courts and castles - yet whose lives were lives of courage, faith, suffering, compassion, and generosity - THESE are the Kings and Queens, whom I am proud to claim as my Ancestors! It is one of the reasons I do genealogy - to discover those forgotten heroes ...

Hola Members , I have been messing with New Mexican ancestry Lately. I have been only using what is available in the internet. I have some contacts with the new mexico genealogical society. I have not seen records of New Mexico. My question is does any one know if the baptismal records(1800 forward) are like the ones in Jalisco where one could get parents and GrandParents names if not why not , I thought the format was the same all over Mexico.
Thanks
Ronnie

Been on vacation, so I'm not sure whether this site (Open Library) has been mentioned before. Hope it helps you with your online New Mexico history.

http://www.openlibrary.org/search?q=new+mexico+history&place_facet=new+…

G. Marentes

Looks like I need to start in the Jerez records at Familysearch. Thank you!

Amalia Hernandez Arias

Another reference that might be useful is George Hammond & Agapito Rey's Don Juan de Oñate, colonizer of New Mexico, 1595-1628.

This is out of print, but if you go to http://www.worldcat.org/title/don-juan-de-onate-colonizer-of-new-mexico… you may find it in a library near to where you live.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Retencion de liquidos en los tejidos. Medalla de Plata es probablemente una imagen religiosa de metal.