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NorCal Genealogy Meetings

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Hi,

Are there any meetings coming up? I'm afraid I'm not getting announcements.

Thanks,
Laura

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> Hi Rosa,
>
Long time no see. I am looking forward to seeing you and Jaime at the
meeting! I'm so glad you can attend.

Hola Maria,
Me acuerdo yo de ti. Hace tiempo que nos comunicamos por e-mail. Yo vivo en
Sacramento, CA y recuerdo que tu vives en Texas, no? Tal vez un dia tendré
el placer de conocerte en persona.

Maria Cortez (con zeta)

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> Hi Maria!
> My husband Jaime and I will be there:) Thanks for all you do for all of us!
> Rosa
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> Hi Laura,
>

There is a meeting coming up on January 17th in Sacramento. I will be
sending the agenda to the group shortly and you should receive the e-mail.
I corrected your e-mail address, which was bouncing previously because of a
typo.

You can also check our website where the meeting announcements are posted
at: http://www.nuevagalicia.org

I hope to see you on the 17th!

Maria Cortez

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> Hi,
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> Are there any meetings coming up? I'm afraid I'm not getting
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> Thanks,
> Laura
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Maria de donde eres? Yo me llamo Maria Cortez tanbien

Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8810

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>
> Hi Laura,
>

There is a meeting coming up on January 17th in Sacramento. I will be sending the agenda to the group shortly and you should receive the e-mail.
I corrected your e-mail address, which was bouncing previously because of a typo.

You can also check our website where the meeting announcements are posted
at: http://www.nuevagalicia.org

I hope to see you on the 17th!

Maria Cortez

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Hi Maria!
My husband Jaime and I will be there:) Thanks for all you do for all of us!
Rosa

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From: "Maria Cortes"
To: "announce@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:39:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] NorCal Genealogy Meetings

Maria de donde eres? Yo me llamo Maria Cortez tanbien

Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8810

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Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] NorCal Genealogy Meetings

>
> Hi Laura,
>

There is a meeting coming up on January 17th in Sacramento. I will be sending the agenda to the group shortly and you should receive the e-mail.
I corrected your e-mail address, which was bouncing previously because of a typo.

You can also check our

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Padrones (Style/Format - Caste System) year 1779 Mexico

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This format of padrones for year 1779 is interesting. It lists all kinds of clases of people under the caste system. Here is one page to show:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/1zwhrtu.jpg

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Instruccion a Colon: población tierras e islas descubiertas (Columbus?)

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I am looking at the PARS archives:

Did search: Tierras

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

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Here is another one:

Carta de Cristóbal Colón al papa Alejandro VI informando de sus viajes y solicitándole religiosos para enviarlos a las tierras descubiertas.

1502

Reference number: PATRONATO,295,N.44

mtDNA

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Hello group,
Are B2 and B4'5 mtDNA the same? My brother tested B2 (with NatGeo) and I B4'5 (with FTDNA).

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Hello Alice,

It took me a while to find this information because it is buried in different websites.

B4'5 is found on the mtDNA tree Build 14 (5 Apr 2012) at http://www.phylotree.org/previous_builds.htm

According to the following site http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA_tests FTDNA is using Build 14 and the Genographic Project is using Build 13 or 14.

In the mtDNA tree Build 14 (5 Apr 2012) B2 is below (more recent than) B4'5. B2 is defined by mutations at 3547, 4977, 6473, 9950, and 11177 according to mtDNA tree Build 14. Since B2 is below B4'5 the Geno 2.0 test result is more accurate.

The people you see in Family Finder that have B2 have either had a $199.00 mtFull Sequence test or they have transferred their Geno 2.0 test results to FTDNA.

Saludos,

Armando

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Can an autosomal DNA test find ancestors? I'm trying to determine which
test to have my grandmother take. We don't know much about either side
other than one parent is from Jalisco and the other is from Sonora.
Ideally, I'd like to know her paternal line but she doesn't have any living
male siblings. So, I'm wondering what information I could get from an
autosomal test. And, whether, there might be a more useful test.

Paige

Published by oldcar53 – Vie, 2015-01-02 12:00 | Enlace permanente

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Did she ever have any male siblings? If she did, did they have any male
children as in Nephews, sons of her brothers. If she did, they can take the
Y DNA tests.

Alicia

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Paige Herrera
wrote:

> Can an autosomal DNA test find ancestors? I'm trying to determine which
> test to have my grandmother take. We don't know much about either side
> other than one parent is from Jalisco and the other is from Sonora.
> Ideally, I'd like to know her paternal line but she doesn't have any living
> male siblings. So, I'm wondering what information I could get from an
> autosomal test. And, whether, there might be a more useful test.
>
> Paige

Published by paigeherrera – Vie, 2015-01-02 21:15 | Enlace permanente

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The two brothers were older and between them had seven children, six
females and one male. Only five females are still alive. I don't think I'll
be able to find anyone to take a yDNA test, but, I'm interested in knowing
if I can use an autosomal test to determine ancestry.

Paige

Published by Armando – Sáb, 2015-01-03 21:30 | Enlace permanente

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In your situation - you can use an autosomal test to determine ancestry
only if you are lucky enough to get a close match to your grandmother and
that close match has a tree and they answer your email and they have other
relatives wiling to test also in order to triangulate. It is unlikely that
will happen, but you don't know if it will happen unless you get the test.

Most of your grandmother's matches will probably be from northern Mexico
since more people from that region get tested and you will have a slightly
better chance of getting a close match with someone from that region. There
will be some matches that are from Jalisco, Aguascalientes, and Zacatecas
and they will be very distantly related to he and unless what I described
in the first paragraph happens it will hard to prove how your grandmother
is related to them.

Most matches that show up are distant relatives since some segments can be
carried down for 10-12 generations. See the post at
http://gcbias.org/2013/11/11/how

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Armando,

Thank you for the information. I'm going to order the test.

Paige

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Paige,

You can find ancestors with an autosomal test only if a person related to
your grandmother within 4 or 5 generations has also tested, shows as a
match, and responds to emails. Unfortunately, there aren't any other tests
that she can take. As Alicia said if there is a male nephew from a brother
of your grandmother then they could get a Y37 or Y67 test.

Armando

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Paige Herrera
wrote:

> Can an autosomal DNA test find ancestors? I'm trying to determine which
> test to have my grandmother take. We don't know much about either side
> other than one parent is from Jalisco and the other is from Sonora.
> Ideally, I'd like to know her paternal line but she doesn't have any living
> male siblings. So, I'm wondering what information I could get from an
> autosomal test. And, whether, there might be a more useful test.
>
> Paige

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Paige,

I don't know what kind of a test I took with the FamilyDNA lab, but ever since, I have been receiving messages from them from time to time that they have found other testers that match me. They are always from New Mexico, where my mother was from (she was descended from Pueblo tribes). I find it hard to navigate the website, and lately due to illness I have not tried to access the list, but I have messages piled up. Some on the list have familiar surnames, and some are even male. In the past when I tried to contact some, I have never received an answer. I wanted to see their family trees.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 18:23:17 -0600
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA
>
> Paige,
>
> You can find ancestors with an autosomal test only if a person related to
> your grandmother within 4 or 5 generations has also tested, shows as a
> match, and responds to emails. Unfortunately, there aren't

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Armando,

I saw family finder has the autosomal and you can add an mtDNA for $69.00.
Would that help narrow the results?

Paige

Published by Armando – Dom, 2015-01-04 07:45 | Enlace permanente

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Mitochondrial DNA doesn't mutate as fast as Y-DNA and therefore it is hard
to use as a genealogical tool, especially since surnames of the women
change every generation. There have been some success stories such as
descendants of some Spanish women in Jalisco but there were trees to
accompany the DNA in those rare cases.

The only thing you can do is purchase the tests and expect the worst but
hope for the best.

Armando

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Paige Herrera
wrote:

> Armando,
>
> I saw family finder has the autosomal and you can add an mtDNA for $69.00.
> Would that help narrow the results?
>
> Paige

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I don't know if this means anything, but my first result from FTDNA was B4'5. It was later changed to B2.

Laura Gonzalez

Hispanic Origin?

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When I'm filling out forms that ask for ethnicity I always feel a bit conflicted when I check "White" and leave the "Hispanic Origin" blank.

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What you mark would be based on what group you relate to the most. I'm white on my father's side, Mexican on my mother's. Since my parents divorced when I was very young, and I never had contact with him or his family, I identify as Mexican, Chicana to be be exact. I do not feel white, tho physically I don't really look Mexican, and I could pass for ethnic white (Italian, etc.).

OTOH, I have, until recently, marked white for race, when ethnicity is a separate question. Some of my more radical friends mark Native American for race, and I've started doing that too. I figured that since I'm haplogroup B2 and Mexican culture is mainly Indian, that I'd start marking that for race.

Laura Gonzalez

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Laura,
I too have resorted to marking documents that ask for my race as Native
American. My Autosomal DNA says I'm 23% Native American or New World,
therefore my statement is truthful. It also says I'm 59% European, 7% East
Asian, 3% Middle Eastern and 3% African.

Alicia

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 6:37 PM, wrote:

> What you mark would be based on what group you relate to the most. I'm
> white on my father's side, Mexican on my mother's. Since my parents
> divorced when I was very young, and I never had contact with him or his
> family, I identify as Mexican, Chicana to be be exact. I do not feel white,
> tho physically I don't really look Mexican, and I could pass for ethnic
> white (Italian, etc.).
>
> OTOH, I have, until recently, marked white for race, when ethnicity is a
> separate question. Some of my more radical friends mark Native American for
> race, and I've started doing that too. I figured that since I'm haplogroup
> B2 and Mexican culture is mainly Indian, that I'd

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Your 7% East Asian actually comes from your Native American ancestry and if
you have any Northern Siberian in your European it is most likely from your
Native American ancestry also. So your Native American is actually at least
30% which is close to the average for the Jalisco, Aguas, Zacatecas region.

23andme, AncestryDNA, and Gedmatch do a better job of calculating the
Native American because they included Native American populations that
FamilyTreeDNA did not include such as Pima, Mayan, and Colombian. You'll
notice that they are missing in the report at
https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/family-finder-pages/myorigins-metho…

Armando

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Alicia Carrillo
wrote:

> Laura,
> I too have resorted to marking documents that ask for my race as Native
> American. My Autosomal DNA says I'm 23% Native American or New World,
> therefore my statement is truthful. It also says I'm 59% European, 7% East
> Asian, 3% Middle Eastern and 3% African.
>
> Alicia
>

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Armando, the 7% North East Asia is actually focused on Korea and Japan, the
5% Central South Asian is focused in India. The 2% West Africa is over
Cameroon/Nigeria and the 1% East Central Africa's focus is Kenya/Tanzania
and the 3% Middle Eastern is Morocco/Tunisia. The 59% European is Southern
Europe, primarily Italy and Sicily, followed by Albania, Greece Portugal
and Spain.

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Armando wrote:

> Your 7% East Asian actually comes from your Native American ancestry and if
> you have any Northern Siberian in your European it is most likely from your
> Native American ancestry also. So your Native American is actually at least
> 30% which is close to the average for the Jalisco, Aguas, Zacatecas region.
>
> 23andme, AncestryDNA, and Gedmatch do a better job of calculating the
> Native American because they included Native American populations that
> FamilyTreeDNA did not include such as Pima, Mayan, and Colombian. You'll
> notice that they are missing in

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Alicia, I was well aware of where the Northeast Asia and others are
focused. The problem is the methodology that FTDNA didn't use and the
methodology that 23andme, Ancestry, Gedmatch, Geno 2.0, Dodecad, Eurogenes,
MDLP, and Harrapaworld did use. Since FTDNA didn't use enough Native
American populations they didn't have enough Native American autosomal SNPs
to compare your DNA with and therefore they split your Native American DNA
into 2 or more regions where the DNA match due to the lack of a closer
match.

Anyone that has at least one Mexican parent and has tested with another
company other than FTDNA will have more Native American in their results.
Are we to believe that those other companies and Gedmatch calculators have
incorrect results and only FTDNA has the correct results? That's very
doubtful especially when they used fewer populations and the other
companies also consist of leading scientists such as Spencer Wells. FTDNA
didn't even include the Maya or Pima of which both have

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Thanks Armando for this very detailed explanation, meaning that we can't
take all of this as 100% factual. Maybe one day they will get it right, or
if not right, get it a bit closer.
Alicia

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Armando wrote:

> Alicia, I was well aware of where the Northeast Asia and others are
> focused. The problem is the methodology that FTDNA didn't use and the
> methodology that 23andme, Ancestry, Gedmatch, Geno 2.0, Dodecad, Eurogenes,
> MDLP, and Harrapaworld did use. Since FTDNA didn't use enough Native
> American populations they didn't have enough Native American autosomal SNPs
> to compare your DNA with and therefore they split your Native American DNA
> into 2 or more regions where the DNA match due to the lack of a closer
> match.
>
> Anyone that has at least one Mexican parent and has tested with another
> company other than FTDNA will have more Native American in their results.
> Are we to believe that those other companies and Gedmatch calculators have
>

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Armando thank you for your explanation on this topic, it was so obvious once I read it but I couldn't see the forest because of the trees.

Ancestry has my Native American at 8% and Finland and Northwest Russia at 1% and FTDNA has Native American at 5% with East Asian at 2% and Finland and Northern Siberia at 4%.

Randy McNeal

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Armando,

I am confused: You said in the e-mail below that Spencer Wells, Phd, (whose name is familiar to me) is not at FamilyTreeDNA? I believe the lab at FamilyTreeDNA handles the tests for Genographic.

Dr. Spencer actually works with Mr. Greenspan, CEO of FamilyTreeDNA, as part of his team, and he sits on the advisory board. Mr. Greenspan said he would ask someone on his team to look into getting more Native American samples, but he mentioned someone else, whose name I can't recall now. I know how hard it is to get Natives to test, even those in the US, because of their beliefs and internal politics.

See link below about "Who is Who at FamilyTreeDNA:

https://www.familytreedna.com/about.aspx

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:55:48 -0600
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] What to mark for ethnicity
>
> Alicia, I was well aware of where the Northeast Asia and others are
> focused. The

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Emilie, Spencer Wells didn't create myOrigins. Razib Khan and Rui Hu did.
Their names are at the top of the myOrigins White Paper.
https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/family-finder-pages/myorigins-metho…
Spencer Wells is the head scientist over the National Geographic
Genographic project.

When they say it is hard to get Natives to test they are talking about
Natives without even 1% Native American ancestry. The Maya and Pima
populations show a tiny bit of European ancestry and that is why Razib Khan
didn't use that population and it is why myOrigins is under reporting the
Native American ancestry. When they it is hard to get Natives to test the
talk more about Natives from what is now the U.S. and they are the ones
that don't want to test. The Native Americans of Mexico aren't against
being tested.

You can see the National Geographic Genographic results of Amerindian
(Mexico) at
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/

Then compare it to the Mexican

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FTDNA:
European 56% (British Isles 52%, Southern Europe 4%)
East Asian 23% (SE Asia 16%, NE Asia 7%)
New World (Native American 10%)
Central Asia 5%
African (West Africa) 4%
ME (North African 3%)

Ancestry:
European 56% (British Isles 18%, Ireland 16% Scandinavia 9%, Iberia 5%)
Asian 18% (E Asia 14%, South Asia 4%)
Native American 15%
African 6% (Bantu 4%, North African 1%)
Polynesia 5%

So, for Native American,
FTDNA: 33%
Ancestry: 33%

I thought I read somewhere that central Asia might be Roma people, probably via Spain.

Laura Gonzalez

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Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez Hello Mr , Ms scompton I congratulate you for trying to find your roots . I went through the same process when I lived in USA for a short time .when I had to fill any document and they asked me my race I could not answer even though i knew that being Mexican is a nationality not a race they did not know it and ended by saying , race - other .

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that's your choice. race is a social construct, hence why people don't define races such as 'white', 'black' etc. all the same.

Guadalajara Dispensas Question

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First, thank you Katy for the indexes to Huejucar!

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i think familysearch has changed the names of their collection since i finished that index.

but here's the record you are looking for
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11180-46626-53?cc=1874591&wc…
and here's the tree
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11180-47286-63?cc=1874591&wc…

also here's the tree for felipe and maria de leon's marriage record
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11180-45271-32?cc=1874591&wc…

Guadalajarita, Zacatecas 1930 Census Question

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I am looking for specific family members in the 1930 Mexico Census for Guadalajarita, Zacatecas. However, after looking over all of the available images, I am not finding them.

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I am looking at the column under "Que otro idioma o dialecto habla" and for one person it says, Castillan (?)It is not a term (as a Canadian), that I have found previously. Can anyone elaborate?Katrina Link

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As I understand it, Castellan is the official Spanish language of Spain and Mexico.

> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:05:12 +0000
> From: link_katrina@yahoo.ca
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 1930 Census Question
>
> I am looking at the column under "Que otro idioma o dialecto habla" and for one person it says, Castillan (?)It is not a term (as a Canadian), that I have found previously. Can anyone elaborate?Katrina Link

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Those from Mexico, Guatemala, Spain, Cuba, Costa Rica, etc.... do not
speak Spanish. They speak Castellano, Castillian
On Dec 28, 2014 7:05 PM, "Katrina Link" wrote:

> I am looking at the column under "Que otro idioma o dialecto habla" and
> for one person it says, Castillan (?)It is not a term (as a Canadian), that
> I have found previously. Can anyone elaborate?Katrina Link

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I live in Mexico and I speak Spanish, that's the name of the main language spoken here (español). The RAE dictionary defines Spanish (español) as the common language in Spain and many American countries. In the USA foreigners prove their English proficiency with the TOEFL test, in France they use the DELF and DALF for French, and in Spain they use the DELE (Diploma de Español como Lengua Extranjera). It seems to me like in most countries where the language is spoken it is called español, except in Spain where for political correctness towards Spaniards who speak regional languages like gallego, vasco or catalán, they have to call it castellano (Castillian) rather than Spanish. But me and pretty much everybody I know in México, we speak Spanish (español).
Victoriano Navarro

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Spain actually has several official co-languages in use in the various autonomous regions, i.e., Castellano (Castile and all Spain), Catalan (Valencia), Euskera (Basque region), Gallego (Galicia), etc.

At the time of the Conquest, Queen Isabella was Castilian and both the King and Queen spoke Castilian; in order to unite the several minor kingdoms of the Iberian peninsula with their growing empire, it was adopted as the official language of not only Spain and the Spanish court but also its territories worldwide. The Castilian dialect is what ultimately we know on this side of the pond as "español." Now, typically the terms 'español' and 'castellano' are used interchangeably.

In Spain, if you were to ask what was the name of the official language, they'd probably say it depends on where you are located.

My Mexican-born parents always referred to 'castellano' as being the proper form of the Spanish language, i.e., no slang.

Sandra Velez

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Jose,

Have you been able to locate any of your Reynoso's in this Census? If so, under which municipality - Juchipila or Moyahua?

I looked into La Cantera, but did not see any of the individuals I was looking for. I also looked at La Cantera Sur (just in case).

Thanks!

Esther Reynoso Valencia
facebook.com/esther.r.valencia

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Esther,

I've found the right link and have found many of my relatives in San Jose de la Boquilla. The census was taken in May 1930, prior to the rainy season. That's when the crops were being planted just waiting for the rains to come. I know my grandfather Melesio Reynoso lived in Guadalajarita most of the year, but owned and worked the land in San Jose de la Boquilla. Thus, I found him and his whole family in San Jose de la Boquilla. By the way, that is where I was born (June), my father was working some of the land my grandfather owned in San Jose de la Boquilla.

Thanks,

Jose Reynoso Mejia

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Yes, that would make sense.......Do you know the region fairly well? Do any other names come to mind?

I did find Secundino Reynoso married to Aniceta Mejia. Secundino was my grandfather's 1/2 brother. That would explain why he is here, but my grandfather and the other siblings are not.

Thank you!

Esther Reynoso Valencia
facebook.com/esther.r.valencia

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Jose,

Thank you for taking the initiative to go through each of the records. I was going to look into Pena Blanca, El Pitayo, and La Lobera. These all sounded familiar to me. If that didn't work, I was going to start going through each one (I will probably still do this once I get my computer fixed - it's running very slow).

When I shared with my father where I had found him and his family, he stated that he had never even heard of this rancho! He thought for sure that they would show up in La Boquilla since he remembers that his father and grandfather always mentioned the "sembradillos" in conversations that included your grandfather Melecio and grandmother Lucia.

Thank you so much for sharing this with me!

Esther Reynoso Valencia
facebook.com/esther.r.valencia

Dibujo of Spanish Monarch

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Here is a picture of the Spanish Monarchy and that symbol of the eye in a triangle that is the same like in the current american dollar bill:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2vd63qp.jpg

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What in the world are those two round things under the crown?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 23:59:45 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dibujo of Spanish Monarch
>
> Here is a picture of the Spanish Monarchy and that symbol of the eye in a triangle that is the same like in the current american dollar bill:
>
> http://oi62.tinypic.com/2vd63qp.jpg
>
> The reference no. to look it up:
>
> MP-ESTAMPAS,259
>
> http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

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Hi Emile. The two "round things" under the crown are the world hemispheres, East and West. The one on the right represents Europe and the one on the left the Americas. That's the reason for the handshake between the two worlds. The Lion is the symbol of Spain, and the alligator represents the Americas, all under the watchful eye of God and the Holy Trinity (the triangle with the eye in the middle). Rgds, Bill Figueroa.
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What in the world are those two round things under the crown?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

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> From: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 23:59:45 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dibujo of Spanish Monarch
>
> Here is a picture of the Spanish Monarchy and that symbol of the eye in a triangle that is

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Bill,

Thank you for posting all that interesting info. We can all benefit from learning about heraldry in our ancestry. The maps are amazing, giving us an insight into how our ancestors found the New World and where they came from in the old.

Emilie

> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:58:03 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dibujo of Spanish Monarch
>
> Hi Emilie. The two "round things" under the crown are the world hemispheres, East and West. The one on the right represents Europe and the one on the left the Americas. That's the reason for the handshake between the two worlds. The Lion is the symbol of Spain, and the alligator represents the Americas, all under the watchful eye of God and the Holy Trinity (the triangle with the eye in the middle). Rgds, Bill Figueroa.
> ----- Original Message -----
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Thanks Bill for this very detailed explanation of the signs and symbols
depicted!

Much appreciated!!
Alicia

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Thank you for posting all that interesting info. We can all benefit from
> learning about heraldry in our ancestry. The maps are amazing, giving us
> an insight into how our ancestors found the New World and where they came
> from in the old.
>
> Emilie
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:58:03 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dibujo of Spanish Monarch
> >
> > Hi Emilie. The two "round things" under the crown are the world
> hemispheres, East and West. The one on the right represents Europe and the
> one on the left the Americas. That's the reason for the handshake between
> the two worlds. The Lion is the symbol of Spain, and the alligator
> represents the Americas, all under the watchful eye of God and the Holy
> Trinity

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Galvez in The American Revolution

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It is good to hear that the U.S. Congress has honored the Spanish effort in
the American Revolution.

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You are right. Bernardo de Galvez y Madrid was the 61st Viceroy of New Spain.

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Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 4:15:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Galvez in The American

Jose Antonio Michel I believe the city of Galveston Texas is named in honor of General Bernardo Galvez?

Antonio Ruiz & Ana de Sepúlveda / Zacatecas

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I found this posting mentioning the discovery on Familysearch a document in which they mention the names of the parents of Jacinto García de Sepúlveda, husband of Clara de Rentería (they lived in C

October 30, 1770 map of California Coast including San Francisco Bay Area

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Found a map of the coast of California dating back to October 30, 1770:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/of6jja.jpg

Gives a lot of description on the map and year.

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I want to repeat this one for Pamela who asked about maps:

Here maps of San Francisco Bay area. First is the description where I found it on pg 42 of mapas and planos of Mexico. Doesn’t say what year it is:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/10z7b51.jpg

Map of San Francisco Bay Area:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/34q4spl.jpg

Almejas is on the coast side. Zoom up view:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2qntt1t.jpg

I am curious about San Mateo that is near the shore inside the bay:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2v025jm.jpg

Now here is another map of the San Francisco bay but year 1777 but first the description found on page 44 of mapas/planos of Mexico:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/30kzmv8.jpg

Map of 1777:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/23rjt4j.jpg

Zoom up view:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/f1bdxs.jpg

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Such wonderful and beautiful maps! October 30, 1770 was scarcely one year after the First Expedition (Portola) arrived on the San Francisco peninsula and "discovered" the bay. All those landmarks they named along the route from San Diego and recorded in Crespi's diary.

The undated colored map is so interesting. I wonder why San Mateo is the only land area designated after the mission, presidio an almejas. There were three major villages of the Ssalson tribe that occupied San Mateo Creek, but the Bay Area was densely populated all along the shore so that shouldn't be the reason. I think the map must be before 1786, the year a mission assistencia was set up at "almejas". It was named San Pedro y San Pablo then and should probably appear as such on maps after that year. The geography looks really accurate compared with the other maps.

These are great treasures, thank you Madera!

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All my family and history is in Jalisco (Nuevo Galicia)/Zacatecas inside Mexico.

Now! Regarding the San Mateo on that map of San Francisco Bay area? I showed it to a friend who has a Doctorate in History of Zacatecas, Mexico and his speciality is the Hacienda of San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico.

He told me that the Second Conde of the Hacienda of San Mateo, Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico "Miguel Del Berrio y Zaldivar" financed the expeditions and missions that traveled up north and that San Mateo could have gotten its name from the Hacienda San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico which is our region in Mexico.

1603 Map of Los Pinos, Zacatecas (Nuestra Senora De La Concepcion Sierra Pinos)

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Found a map of Los Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico under the name "Nuestra Senora De La Concepcion Sierra De Los Pinos) year 1603:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/otdati.jpg

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Sylvia Rodriguez Robles
This is fascinating. My maternal grandmother family from Pinos. I visited in 1997. Oral history has us settling first in Merida, Yucatan as family of shipping family. All the recent posts are just great.

Archival General De Indias

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I found this link where Archive of Indias. There is a list of countries to pick on the left side. I pick "Mexico"

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Thanks Katy for that map. When I saw it I did a cartweel.

I found this map of a pueblo. Not sure which one is it but at bottom show a road to "Hacienda San Miguel."

http://oi61.tinypic.com/4tm2xg.jpg

I found it here:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/59vu4y.jpg

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_…

This painting is also interesting "Rueda de los nueve senores de la noche"

http://oi59.tinypic.com/349aud4.jpg

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_…

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map of bolanos of Jalisco. don't know what year it is. but it is near our village:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/vymemw.jpg

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_…

map of province of nuevo mexico:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2cynz8p.jpg

Found another site to look up things on colonial mexico:

http://bibliotecadigital.rah.es/dgbrah/i18n/consulta/registro.cmd?id=12…

Description of Monterrey, San Francisco described by Capitan of Navio San Carlos year 1775

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Looking at archives of PARS on California and see many where ships, expeditions traveled from Port San Blas of Nayarit, Mexico up north to San Diego, Monterrey and San Francisco, California, Mexico i

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Thank you Madera for posting these interesting documents. I'm looking forward to your post with the San Francisco maps since I can't seem to find them myself. Almejas (or cañada de las almejas) is what the Spanish called San Pedro valley now in Pacifica where the Aramai village Pruristac was located. There is a nice history of the Aramai people at www.ramaytush.com

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Thank you for responding Pamela. Here maps of San Francisco Bay area. First is the description where I found it on pg 42 of mapas and planos of Mexico. Doesn’t say what year it is:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/10z7b51.jpg

Map of San Francisco Bay Area:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/34q4spl.jpg

Almejas is on the coast side. Zoom up view:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2qntt1t.jpg

I am curious about San Mateo that is near the shore inside the bay:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2v025jm.jpg

Now here is another map of the San Francisco bay but year 1777 but first the description found on page 44 of mapas/planos of Mexico:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/30kzmv8.jpg

Map of 1777:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/23rjt4j.jpg

Zoom up view:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/f1bdxs.jpg

You can again see Almejas “Punto de Almejas” I marked it in green. Also notice to where San Mateo is suppose to be? There are two circles with numbers 4 and 6 and a river near it called, “rio de san mateo.”
I want to prove that San Mateo and

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FTDNA PROMO CODE

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Dear members interested in DNA

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Judy, thank you for offering the promo code. I hope someone takes up your
offer. The BigY is really helpful for refining the placement of within the
phylogenetic tree and finding close relatives on the paternal line that
have also had the BigY. For a person that hasn't ordered Y-DNA test but
wants to take advantage of the promo they can email FTDNA to order the
test. They are not answering phone calls until Monday.

If anyone else is looking for a promo code there are more at
http://dna-explained.com/2014/12/22/family-tree-dna-mystery-rewards-wee…

A lot of them are for $100 off the BigY.

The $10 off Y37, Y67, or Y111 should be able to be used for upgrades from
tests that have had few markers tested.

$10 off any purchase should be able to be used for autosomal DNA transfers
from AncestryDNA and 23andme v3 kits taking the price down to $29 for the
transfer.

$10 off any purchase can also be used for SNP tests such as P312 and DF27.

Here are some other coupons. They

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Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno

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Hola Members, I am trying to find out who the parents of Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno married to Luis Padilla-Davila feb.

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Hello, I'm a direct descendant of Santiago de Pedroza and was wondering if you have any documents related to the birth and death of Santiago de Pedroza. Sadly to say that I've been struggling to find any relevant documents.is the hacienda de San Miguel in Lagos de Moreno?
Look forward to your reply.
Thank you
Esteban Pedroza

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There are no documents for the birth and death of Santiago de Pedroza. The information that ppchuy posted is incorrect. The date of death of 2 Jul 1656 that he posted is actually the date that Nicolás de Pedrosa y Alba married Mariana Ruiz de Anda. See https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-24785-62

The hacienda de San Miguel [de la Estancia Grande] is located within the jurisdiction of Lagos de Moreno (formerly Santa María de los Lagos) north of the city and was owned by the Gómez de Portugal family in that time period.

I have not found a single record that ties the Pedroza to the hacienda San Miguel de la Estancia Grande even though I have looked at all of the baptisms, marriages, and dispensas of all of Santiago de Pedroza's children and grandchildren. Everything I have found points to that family having an hacienda in what is now Encarnación de Díaz based on what is found in a book by Mario Gómez Mata and what is found at http://historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz

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Ronnie,

This is my line. Independently, as historians or researchers we must prefer primary sources, as in documents that were made in the moment of the event. Thus, a marriage record is primary due to the fact that the marriage is occurring before the priest. A dispensa would be considered secondary, though it can be primary if a witness actually knew the ancestors and had information pertaining to the ancestry of an individual. Could you pass the link where I can study this dispensa? I am interested. I have already found numerous dispensas with major errors, others with only some mistakes; for the most part they are very reliable.

I descend from Nicolas Diaz de Tiscareno in the following manner, just to mention a couple of generations:

Nicolas Diaz de Tiscareno cc. Juana de Isasi y Campo (Martin del Campo)
Bernabe Diaz de Tiscareno cc. Maria de Cobos
Maria de las Mercedes Diaz de Tiscareno cc. Pedro Antonio de Medina y Castaneda
Coronel Simon de Medina y Diaz de Tiscareno cc

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Hola Daniel,la dispensa is film # 168130 page/image 1216-1219
Ronnie

> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 19:53:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno
>
> Ronnie,
>
> This is my line. Independently, as historians or researchers we must prefer primary sources, as in documents that were made in the moment of the event. Thus, a marriage record is primary due to the fact that the marriage is occurring before the priest. A dispensa would be considered secondary, though it can be primary if a witness actually knew the ancestors and had information pertaining to the ancestry of an individual. Could you pass the link where I can study this dispensa? I am interested. I have already found numerous dispensas with major errors, others with only some mistakes; for the most part they are very reliable.
>
> I descend from Nicolas Diaz de Tiscareno in the following manner, just to mention a couple of

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The answer is simple. Either the person writing down the ancestry or the
person providing the ancestry was confused and provided the name Bernabé
for the father of Fabiana because the name of the father of Juana Martín
del Campo alias Juana Isassi was Bernabé Martín del Campo e Isassi. The
name for María instead of Juana was also an error because all of the
records that deal with the wife and children of Nicolás Díaz Tiscareño show
her to be Juana and she is never mentioned as María.

For the other records that mention Juana see the following -

Dispensa of second marriage of Nicolás Díaz
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-38595-97?cc=1874591

1st marriage of Fernando Díaz
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18565-24382-17?cc=1874591

2nd marriage of Fernando Díaz
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33233-97?cc=1502404

Baptism of Bernabé Díaz
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18565-54735-19?cc=1874591

Baptism of Joseph Eugenio
https:/

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Hola and thanks a lot of info.
Ronnie

> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:51:22 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno
>
> The answer is simple. Either the person writing down the ancestry or the
> person providing the ancestry was confused and provided the name Bernabé
> for the father of Fabiana because the name of the father of Juana Martín
> del Campo alias Juana Isassi was Bernabé Martín del Campo e Isassi. The
> name for María instead of Juana was also an error because all of the
> records that deal with the wife and children of Nicolás Díaz Tiscareño show
> her to be Juana and she is never mentioned as María.
>
> For the other records that mention Juana see the following -
>
> Dispensa of second marriage of Nicolás Díaz
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-38595-97?cc=1874591
>
> 1st marriage of Fernando Díaz
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18565-24382-17?cc=1874591

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fabiana caso el 1 de febrero 1730 con Luis Padilla en la hacienda de cienega de mata

2. Nicolas Diaz Tiscareño (Jose4, Baltazar3, Baltazar2, Baltazar1) nació el 7 Nov. 1687 en Majada Cienega de mata y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con Juana Isasi ( Martin del Campo).

Padre: 4. Jose Diaz Tiscareño nació el 24 Mayo 1663 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico y murió el 19 Sep. 1728 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

Madre: 5. Jacinta Ortega nació el 17 Feb. 1645 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico y murió en 1729 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

3. Juana Isasi ( Martin del Campo) (Jose Bernabe6, Francisco5, Lazaro4, Bartolome3, Juan2, Blas1) murió el 9 Oct. 1730 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Puesto de la Majada.

Padre: 6. Jose Bernabe Martin del Campo nació en 1664 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.

Madre: 7. Catalina Pedroza murió el 15 Ago. 1715 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Santa Rosa

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fabiana caso el 1 de febrero 1730 con Luis Padilla en la hacienda de cienega de mata

2. Nicolas Diaz Tiscareño (Jose4, Baltazar3, Baltazar2, Baltazar1) nació el 7 Nov. 1687 en Majada Cienega de mata y murió en una fecha desconocida. El se casó con Juana Isasi ( Martin del Campo).

Padre: 4. Jose Diaz Tiscareño nació el 24 Mayo 1663 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico y murió el 19 Sep. 1728 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

Madre: 5. Jacinta Ortega nació el 17 Feb. 1645 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico y murió en 1729 en Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

3. Juana Isasi ( Martin del Campo) (Jose Bernabe6, Francisco5, Lazaro4, Bartolome3, Juan2, Blas1) murió el 9 Oct. 1730 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Puesto de la Majada.

Padre: 6. Jose Bernabe Martin del Campo nació en 1664 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco y murió en una fecha desconocida.

Madre: 7. Catalina Pedroza murió el 15 Ago. 1715 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Santa Rosa

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Hi Ronnie,

Luis de Padilla and Fabiana Díaz de Tiscareño are my 9th Great Grandparents and I have the parents of Luis de Padilla as Francisco Padilla and Ana Muñoz de la Barba and the parents of Fabiana Díaz de Tiscareño as Nicolás Díaz and Juana de Isassi based on this marriage record:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18622-38985-35?cc=1874591&wc…

I wasn't aware of a conflict with the dispensa. But, I would say that I would definitely go by the actual marriage and not the dispensa, since the children would know their parents names better than descendants 70+ years later.

Christopher de Cuellar

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