Same names

Esther ... ,

> Rafael Lopez Ornelas ... oldest male in a family of 13.

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Thank you Stewart,

I guess my family was normal for those times. From my 7th generation
forward I find a lot of same names, like Antonio, Francisco and Francisca in
the same family, Jesus for male and female, Felipe, etc. and since there
were so many in each family, there are many of the same same but with
different father & mother. Also kind of weird to me because it involves me
is that my mother named me Maria Graciela in the civil registration but my
grandmother thought I should have a Christian name, Esther, so in my
baptismal record that is the only name I have Esther. I decided to retain
this name to honor my grandmother who was very special to me.

Esther Jordan Lopez

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Stuart Armstrong wrote:

> Esther ... ,
>
> > Rafael Lopez Ornelas ... oldest male in a family of 13. His
> > youngest brother was also named Rafael Lopez Ornelas
>
> I have a surprising number of such instances in my database. And I
> would say that in browsing the

Petra Mariana Ursula Cuellar y Moreno

Petra Mariana Ursula Cuellar y Moreno fue bautizada el 21 de octubre 1784 en el Sagrario de Aguscalientes, sus padres fueron Juan Chrisostomo Cuellar Martin del Campo y Maria Ygnacia Felipa Moreno Flo

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Encontré que los Rugama y Vega eran nobles por su línea agnada, Rugama. El pleito de hidalguía está conservado en el Real Chancillería de Valladolid fechado 1818. El hombre que empezo el pleito juridico era Nicolás de Rugama, vecino de Cicero, Cantabria. Una cosa que notarás es que muchísimos de los comerciantes en México, específicamente los cántabros, eran nobles de linaje muy antiguo hijosdalgos.

Daniel M.C.

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julieta campillo

hola Daniel, gracias por tus respuestas y disculpa que no conteste rapido, soy nueva en este sitio de nuestros ranchos y apenas le estoy " agarrando la onda" y no me habia dado cuenta que tenia respuestas :)

Tengo ya varios anos estudiando la genealogia de mi familia y los archivos que me indicas ya los conocia,pero me gusto mucho tu manera de redactarlos y justamente no encuentro nada sobre el hermano y los primos de Marcelino, quienes normalmente debieron instalarse tambien en Zacatecas, Fresnillo etc

Marcelino de Rugama y su familia se fueron a Veracruz y en algunos libros se le cita, como comerciante y tambien en politica puesto que en 1820 fue presidente municipal Jalapa, despues compro la hacienda de Tenextepec en donde crecieron sus hijos, nietos, biznietos.

Quizas en un momento dado a raiz de la ley de expulsión de españoles de México en 1827 y 1829, Marcelino tuvo que salir hacia la Habana,solo o acompanado de su familia, es verdad que mucho tiempo

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No tengo datos adicionaes sobre los Cuellar/Moreno de Ortega pero ojalá esto te ayuda con los Rugama y Vega. Muchísimas familias españolas se involucraron en el comercio de Nueva España, lo cual no era excepción con los Rugama y Vega.

Marcelino de Rugama y Vega era hijo de Nicolás de Rugama y Rosaura de Vegas, originarios de Cicero en la provincia de Santander (Cantabria). Marcelino cruzó el atlántico el 24 de octubre de 1799 y llegó a Veracruz donde trasladó a Fresnillo, Zacatecas y comenzó su carera de comerciante. Poco años después le siguió su hermano Ramón.

Ramón de Rugama y Vega, quien cruzó el mar océano el 27 de noviembre de 1803 donde también era comerciante. El dato último que tengo es interesante. Ya que sabemos los Rugama y Vega vivieron en varios sitios, Fresnillo, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Veracruz y La Habana, Cuba.

El expediente es fechado 14 de septiembre de 1829. Saturnino Cicero hijo de Pablo Cicero y Manuela del Campo cruza el atlántico. Saturnino era

Someone's lost history..

So yesterday I went out and bought a bunch of used tapes and a tape recorder for my research.

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I am assuming that there is no identifying info so that you could return
these tapes to the family. What about your local historical society? Or if
you live near a univerisity, contacting the history dept. there? I see
online that there is something called the Oral History Association, link :
http://www.oralhistory.org/. Maybe they can suggest something. It is sad,
and I can understand and admire your sense of obligation to not let this
woman's words be lost. Good luck.

Raquel Ruiz

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:50 PM, wrote:

> So yesterday I went out and bought a bunch of used tapes and a tape
> recorder for my research. I played the first tape and it really broke my
> heart, an elderly woman( who was in her 80s I'm guessing) was talking about
> her life in the early 20s and through the depression . She was talking about
> her life because she " feared she didn't have much more time". It's sad to
> hear a lost piece if someone's family history just go like that. What should
> I

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Lorenzo Carrillo

Yea she only mentions the names of one of her friends, her step father and ex - husband. She also mentions her childhood in san pedro,ca and later life in Oceanside,ca. I should probably try to find her son. She mentions his name but I can imagine he is on age already (80+) years old.

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here is the website to the San Pedro Bay Historical Society:

http://historicalsociety.sanpedro.com/

or the Oceanside Historical Society:

http://oceansidehistoricalsociety.org/

that is where I'd go with it.

Thank you for trying to save a persons memories. . .they are more than
words but her life.

joseph

======================

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http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

lorenzocarrillo94@yahoo.com wrote:
> Lorenzo Carrillo
>
> Yea she only mentions the names of one of her friends, her step father
> and ex - husband. She also mentions her childhood in san pedro,ca and
> later life in Oceanside,ca. I should probably try to

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I wouldn't give it to the family, who might not be interested and just throw the tape away again.

The best place would be the genealogical society or historical museum in San Pedro or a University's special collections. That is where I found tapes in New Mexico of my mothers cousins who are all long gone, and I am the only one who seems interested in copies of the tapes.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: lorenzocarrillo94@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:10:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Someone's lost history..
>
> Lorenzo Carrillo
>
> Yea she only mentions the names of one of her friends, her step father and ex - husband. She also mentions her childhood in san pedro,ca and later life in Oceanside,ca. I should probably try to find her son. She mentions his name but I can imagine he is on age already (80+) years old.

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Lorenzo CarrilloYes I think maybe the San Pedro society would be a great idea . They could benefit from the tape. Since it talks about their history briefly too .. Thank you for the input. I'm going to see if I can contact them this week about it.

No Troubles

A couple of days ago when I started to have troubles with the familysearch I had a friend who works with computers for a living check out the situation.  He told me that the problem appeared to

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Alice,

After I downloaded Firefox, I was able to use their new Viewer, and I thought that since Firefox forced me to upgrade my Adobe Flash before it would download, I thought that perhaps that was all that was needed and not a new browser. So, I went back to IE8 and tried to access the new Viewer there, but I still had the same old problems. What other older browser do you have on your computer?

Now that I have the Firefox, I am experiencing strange problems such as the original old MSN Explorer 6 (for dial-up) launching itself in the middle of what I am doing. So now I have three browsers on my computer, and they conflict.

Armando sent me a link to something on Mozilla that hopefully will lead me to correct the problem.

Emilie

> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:30:17 -0700
> From: alicebb@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] No Troubles

> A couple of days ago when I started to have troubles with the familysearch I had a friend who works

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Emily,

The link I sent you will definitely help your problem in two ways. The old
MSN Explorer 6 is launching because that is what you have set in Windows XP.
The link explains how to fix that.
Windows XP

1. Click the Start button, then click on the Control Panel icon to open
the Windows Control Panel.
2. Click the *Add or Remove Programs* icon to open the Add or Remove
Programs applet.
3. On the left side of the Window click the *Set Program Access and
Defaults* icon.
4. In the Access and Defaults window, click on the *Custom* radio button
to expand the Custom category.
5. Underneath *Choose a default e-mail program*, click the radio button
next to the program you want to use (e.g. Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail,
Outlook).
6. Click OK at the bottom of the window.

http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Changing%20the%20e-mail%20program%2…

The Adobe Flash update for Firefox is different than the one for IE. That is

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Armando,

I think I successfully reset the browser that launches. I haven't had the old MSN Explorer 6 launch itself for several hours now.

Thanks so much for your guidance,

Emilie

> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:09:26 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] No Troubles
>
> Emily,
>
> The link I sent you will definitely help your problem in two ways. The old
> MSN Explorer 6 is launching because that is what you have set in Windows XP.
> The link explains how to fix that.
> Windows XP
>
> 1. Click the Start button, then click on the Control Panel icon to open
> the Windows Control Panel.
> 2. Click the *Add or Remove Programs* icon to open the Add or Remove
> Programs applet.
> 3. On the left side of the Window click the *Set Program Access and
> Defaults* icon.
> 4. In the Access and Defaults window, click on the *Custom* radio button
> to expand the Custom category.
> 5. Underneath *Choose a default e-mail

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Emilie,
What I'm saying is that the familysearch site has apparently been tweeked and now works accessing it the way I had always done before.  I don't have to use the Firefox download I did yesterday.  Have you tried accessing it the way you used to?  Good luck.  Alice 

--- On Fri, 9/16/11, Emilie Garcia wrote:

From: Emilie Garcia
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] No Troubles
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 6:19 PM

Alice,

After I downloaded Firefox, I was able to use their new Viewer, and I thought that since Firefox forced me to upgrade my Adobe Flash before it would download, I thought that perhaps that was all that was needed and not a new browser.  So, I went back to IE8 and tried to access the new Viewer there, but I still had the same old problems.  What other older browser do you have on your computer?

Now that I have the Firefox, I am experiencing strange problems such as the original old MSN Explorer 6 (for dial-up) launching itself

Comentario

Alice,

I will try again, but earlier today I wasn't able to use the new Viewer with the IE8 like before.

I sure hope they continue tweaking; the best thing would be to tweak it right back to what it was. I hear that some Family History Centers can't use the new viewer themselves because of their old computers.

Emilie

> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:56:15 -0700
> From: alicebb@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] No Troubles
>
> Emilie,
> What I'm saying is that the familysearch site has apparently been tweeked and now works accessing it the way I had always done before. I don't have to use the Firefox download I did yesterday. Have you tried accessing it the way you used to? Good luck. Alice
>
> --- On Fri, 9/16/11, Emilie Garcia wrote:
>
>
> From: Emilie Garcia
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] No Troubles
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Friday, September 16, 2011, 6:19 PM
>
>
>
> Alice,
>
> After I

Annual San Jose Viva Fest and Mariachi Festival

Dear Members of Nuestros Ranchos,

See the link for the announcement for the annual San Jose Mariachi Festival.   http://vivafest.org/ 

Every year is more exciting than the next.

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This sounds really cool! I wish I could make it.

As a founding member of Mariachi Cardenal de Stanford in 1995 I hope my alma
mater makes a presence. I haven’t kept up with the college mariachi scene in
many years, but good luck to Mariachi Cardenal de Stanford if they
participate.

This email reminded me of my favorite T-shirt which said the following:

Harvard, because not everyone can get into Stanford. Ha ha, let’s go
Mariachi Cardenal!

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> Dear Members of Nuestros Ranchos,
>
>
> See the link for the announcement for the annual San Jose Mariachi
> Festival. http://vivafest.org/
>
> Every year is more exciting than the next. This year there will be
> something new, a Mariachi College bowl. Mariachi Bands from different
> colleges and universities will have a playoff.
>
>
> A Nuestros Ranchos member who's from Jalisco will be here to see her
> grandson play as part of the Mariachi from Harvard University, how exciting
> is

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Primo Juan Aguayo,

I see that the Mariachi Cardenal is still alive and well at Stanford. Here's the link to their website. Too bad you can't make it to the festival but who knows, they may repeat the Mariachi College Bowl next year.

Saludos de San Jose!

Alicia

http://www.stanford.edu/group/mariachi/aboutus.html

________________________________
From: Juan Aguayo
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; Alicia Carrillo
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Annual San Jose Viva Fest and Mariachi Festival

This sounds really cool! I wish I could make it.
As a founding member of Mariachi Cardenal de Stanford in 1995 I hope my alma mater makes a presence. I haven’t kept up with the college mariachi scene in many years, but good luck to Mariachi Cardenal de Stanford if they participate.
This email reminded me of my favorite T-shirt which said the following:
Harvard, because not everyone can get into Stanford. Ha ha, let’s go Mariachi Cardenal!

On Thu

Joseph de Anda y Nicolasa Maria Moreno

Sigo con la investigación de los Moreno.

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Hola José,

Se encuentra ese matrimonio en la imagen 380
https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-24787-44?cc=187459…
Es interesante ese matrimonio. No lo tenia apuntado y Nicolasa María ha de
ser pariente de mis Moreno de Ortega. Dice que Joseph de Anda y Nicolasa
Maria Moreno fueron dispensados de cuarto grado de consanguinidad el 28 de
marzo de 1675 que significa que eran primos terceros. Hace falta encontrar
la dispensa para saber quienes eran los padres y demás ancestros de esta
pareja.

Armando

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:31 PM, wrote:

> Sigo con la investigación de los Moreno.
> Me encuentro en familysearch un matrimonio para Joseph de Anda y Nicolasa
> Maria Moreno el 28 de abril de 1675 en Lagos de Moreno. Al buscar en el film
> la imagen que se menciona que es el 221404 para Lagos de Moreno, no doy con
> dicho matrimonio. Alguien mas ha encontrado a este matrimonio y sabe de
> donde vienen los dichos Joseph de Anda y Nicolasa María Moreno?
>
> Saludos

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Muchas gracias Armando.

Ya estoy buscando la dispensa, a ver si la encuentro, una de mis teorías es que Joseph de Anda también podría ser Joseph Zermenño o Vázquez Zermeño y que tomo el Anda en algunos registros por madre o abuela de Anda casada con un Zermeño, espero encontrar algo y que mi teoría se confirme o sea otra y quede claro.

Saludos
José Humberto

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Esa teoría que se me había ocurrido desde el momento que vi el matrimonio
porque hay un matrimonio de Beatriz Vásquez Zermeño de Anda con Juan Moreno
de Ortega Villegas casados el 21 de octubre 1672 en Lagos. Estaba pensando
que Joseph de Anda y Beatriz Vásquez Zermeño de Anda eran hermanos. Apenas
me prendió el foco. Puede ser que Joseph de Anda y Beatriz Vásquez Zermeño
de Anda eran hermanos y Juan Moreno de Ortega Villegas y Nicolasa Maria
Moreno eran hermanos y entonces tuvo que haber visto una dispensa para ambos
matrimonios. Viendo bien el registro si dice que fueron dispensados también
Beatriz Vásquez Zermeño de Anda y Juan Moreno de Ortega Villegas.
https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-25402-6?cc=1874591…

Beatriz Vásquez Zermeño de Anda con Juan Moreno de Ortega Villegas estan
emparentados de cuarto con tercer grado de consanguinidad. Beatriz Vásquez
Zermeño de Anda era tataranieta de Juan López de Nava e Inés López Muñiz y
Juan Moreno de Ortega

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Juan Moreno de Ortega es hijo de Alonso Moreno de Ortega y Josefa Villegas y Lopez de Nava R A Ricci
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph de Anda y Nicolasa Maria Moreno

Esa teoría que se me había ocurrido desde el momento que vi el matrimonio
porque hay un matrimonio de Beatriz Vásquez Zermeño de Anda con Juan Moreno
de Ortega Villegas casados el 21 de octubre 1672 en Lagos. Estaba pensando
que Joseph de Anda y Beatriz Vásquez Zermeño de Anda eran hermanos. Apenas
me prendió el foco. Puede ser que Joseph de Anda y Beatriz Vásquez Zermeño
de Anda eran hermanos y Juan Moreno de Ortega Villegas y Nicolasa Maria
Moreno eran hermanos y entonces tuvo que haber visto una dispensa para ambos
matrimonios. Viendo bien el registro si dice que fueron dispensados también
Beatriz

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Josefa Villegas was born about 1607. Her father is Captain Hernando Villegas (b.abt 1563 in Trujillo Badajoz (son of Francisco Solano de Villegas and Francisca Jimenez Altamirano) m. 8sep in Lagos de Moreno( todays name) and her mother is Ines Lopez de Nava (daughter of Juan Lopez de Nava and Ines Lopez Muniz. Your info proves the connection between francisca Jimenez Altamirano and the Anda-Altamirano family
R A Ricci
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Juan Moreno de Ortega es hijo de Alonso Moreno de Ortega y Josefa Villegas y Lopez de Nava R A Ricci
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Yes, I did have that info as well as the fact that Juan Moreno de Ortega es
hijo de Alonso Moreno de Ortega y Josefa Villegas. Thank you for posting
anyway in case I didn't have it. What I don't have is a document showing the
parents of Joseph de Anda y Nicolasa Maria Moreno casados el 28 de abril de
1675
https://www.familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-24787-44?cc=187459…
theory is that Joseph de Anda is the brother of Beatriz Vásquez
Zermeño
de Anda and that Nicolasa Maria Moreno is the sister of Juan Moreno de
Ortega Villegas. Do you have anything that proves these connections? If we
can find the dispensa it should show how they are all related.

Armando

2011/9/15

> Josefa Villegas was born about 1607. Her father is Captain Hernando
> Villegas (b.abt 1563 in Trujillo Badajoz (son of Francisco Solano de
> Villegas and Francisca Jimenez Altamirano) m. 8sep in Lagos de Moreno(
> todays name) and her mother is Ines Lopez de Nava (daughter of Juan Lopez de
> Nava and

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Estimado Armando,

A cuanto tu pregunta sobre Joseph Vásquez Zermeño y Joseph de Anda, tengo lo siguiente en mi archivo. Interesantemente tenía Joseph Vásquez Zermeño como hijo de Juan Vásquez Zermeño y Teresa Ruiz de Anda. Aun no sabía que utilizaba Joseph de Anda ni tuve el dato matrimonial de Joseph y Nicolasa Moreno de Ortega. Pienso que saqué estos datos de Jaime Holcombe. Aun me gustaría tener en mi posesión de documentos fidedignos sobre estos vínculos. Respeto el trabajo de Holcombe, pero he encontrado muchísimos datos érroneos que he tenido que corregir y reconstruir de nuevo.

Sobre Nicolosa María Moreno de Ortega, debido al tiempo debería ser hija de Alonso Moreno de Ortega y Josefa de Villegas. Lo digo porque debería nacer hacia 1655 y la primer generación de Moreno de Ortega era 1630-1655 más o menos. Alonso y Josefa empezaron su familia ca. 1630. El primer hijo que tengo registrado es Juan Moreno de Ortega bautizado el 22 de junio de 1636 en Santa María de los Lagos

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I'm still trying to firgure out how the the Villegas were related to Hernan Cortes. Since Cortes was from Extremadura, the Jimenez-Altamirano is the key. I have noticed all Altamirano in that region are related somehow. It would be interesting to find that link between the Altamirano.

Daniel Mendez Camino

website troubles?

Now I'm experiencing technical difficulties.
Under Mexican church records I've gone to two different states and at each when I'm at the parroquia of choice, I'm unable to slide the bottom bar to th

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Alice,

Yes, those are the exact problems I am having. I have to try over and over again to get the list of records within a parroquia to stand still---that bar keeps sliding back to the left. You explained it perfectly. Also, I had to change the zoom on my screen from 100% to 75% in order to see the right side of their image screen to where the Save, Print, and the two left/right arrows are.

Emilie

> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:17:07 -0700
> From: alicebb@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] website troubles?
>
> Now I'm experiencing technical difficulties.
> Under Mexican church records I've gone to two different states and at each when I'm at the parroquia of choice, I'm unable to slide the bottom bar to the right to choose which records I'd like to open. The bar slides automatically back to the left before you can click on a category/date. Is anyone experiencing the same problem? I don't see the feedback tab at the right of the page

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Emilie,
I'm also not  AT ALL computer savvy, but was able to install Firefox myself with my XP.  It solves the Familysearch problem, but it created a different "situation" for me.  I have no idea how to move all my info including mail from my usual Yahoo homepage, so I will have to use the Firefox desktop icon exclusively for researching on Familysearch.  So far I don't see any problem with doing that; I'm keeping my fingers crossed.     Alice

--- On Thu, 9/15/11, Emilie Garcia wrote:

From: Emilie Garcia
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] website troubles?
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011, 6:37 PM

Alice,

Yes, those are the exact problems I am having.  I have to try over and over again to get the list of records within a parroquia to stand still---that bar keeps sliding back to the left.  You explained it perfectly.  Also, I had to change the  zoom on my screen from 100% to 75% in order to see the right side of their image screen to where the

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Alice,

You read my mind! I too just now downloaded Firefox, but I think all I had needed to do was to update my Adobe Flash Player because a screen came up after the download that said Firefox wouldn't work with the outdated Flash Player I had. (I wondered why that Flash Player screen would come up sometimes inviting me to update it). I don't know what it does, but it made Firefox work. I also got another screen that said that some file (?) was corrupted.

I chose the option to pull over my Favorites (Bookmarks in Foxfire), but they are not there. So for the time being I will do like you do and use the IE8 browser for my favorites except Family Search.

I also am now seeing the photo files that I saved appear on the desktop and not among my list of My Pictures or My Photos. Maybe someone can tell me why that is. I save lots of photos and attachment files and I don't want them cluttering up my screen saver screen.

I haven't yet tried to bring Family Search up with Firefox.

Comentario

Emily,

It's not that Firefox won't work without a Flash Player update, It's the
websites that use the Flash Player that won't work without an update such as
the Family Search viewer. It looks like an oudated Flash Player the cause of
your problem with IE after all. You can update the IE version for the Adobe
Flash Player at get.adobe.com/flashplayer.

As far as the Favorites imported from IE into Firefox, they are under a
folder called* **From Internet Explorer located under bookmarks*.
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Importing%20favorites%20and%20other…
*
Armando

*
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

>
> Alice,
>
> You read my mind! I too just now downloaded Firefox, but I think all I had
> needed to do was to update my Adobe Flash Player because a screen came up
> after the download that said Firefox wouldn't work with the outdated Flash
> Player I had. (I wondered why that Flash Player screen would come up
> sometimes

Comentario

Armando,

I followed the instructions you sent re how to import my Favorites from IE8, and it worked. Thank you so much.

I have more questions:

I tried downloading the Adobe update to the IE8 but it didn't help with the Family Search site there, I have to use Firefox to use the Family Search Viewer. The reason I updated my Adobe Flash Player was that Firefox had stopped loading and brought up a screen that said I had to first update Adobe before I could proceed with the download of the Firefox browser. So, I don't think that just updating Adobe Viewer would help me with the IE8.

I like Firefox now, except for one thing. How do you re-size the screen from 100% to 75% so I can see the Save, Print, and the - -> arrows to go from one page to another? Those are out of sight to the right of the screen. That part of the top bar menu can't be seen on Family Search on Firefox, only on IE.

On the IE8 browser there is a place on the bottom right corner where you can re-size the

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The download must have been interrupted to ensure you don't install a Flash
Player with a security flaw.
http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/03/critical-security-updates-for-adobe-…

You can resize webpages by holding down the CTRL button and moving the mouse
wheel or holding down the CTRL button and pressing + or - on the number pad
of the keyboard. Each website you do this for will retain the zoom level you
choose for future visits. There is also a way to add zoom controls to the
Firefox toolbar.
https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/how-do-i-customize-toolbars?redire…

For some reason I never noticed we could previously save a portion of an
image. I would always download the whole image then crop it with Windows
Paint.

Armando

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

>
> Armando,
>
> I followed the instructions you sent re how to import my Favorites from
> IE8, and it worked. Thank you so much.
>

Comentario

Armando,

What a treasure you are! It worked, the CTRL with the - .

Alice--- Try the above to re-size the window and you can see the Save, Print, and the forward and backward arrows. Hoo-ray!

Armando----You didn't know about the printing of just a portion? When I used to click on Print it gave you the option to select just a portion --- you would move the sides and top of the image and isolate what you wanted within yellow lines then it would print just that. It was wonderful. It made the copy so big and clear, unless the microfilming was really bad, then you couldn't do anything about that except to ask Family Search in Salt Lake to find a better microfilmed image. I sure hope they fix that. Ancestry.com still has that option where you can print a whole census page or "Current View" when you enlarge it on their screen.

Emilie

> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:24:04 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] website

Comentario

I see what you are doing. You aren't actually saving a portion you are
printing a portion. I never print images, I always save them,except for the
instance where I am going to send some to an uncle by mail to see if he can
help me with a few missing relatives.

Armando

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

>
> Armando,
>
> What a treasure you are! It worked, the CTRL with the - .
>
> Alice--- Try the above to re-size the window and you can see the Save,
> Print, and the forward and backward arrows. Hoo-ray!
>
> Armando----You didn't know about the printing of just a portion? When I
> used to click on Print it gave you the option to select just a portion ---
> you would move the sides and top of the image and isolate what you wanted
> within yellow lines then it would print just that. It was wonderful. It
> made the copy so big and clear, unless the microfilming was really bad, then
> you couldn't do anything about that except to ask Family Search in Salt Lake
>

Comentario

Armando,

I never tried saving just the portion I isolated, but maybe there was a Save function for it, I don't remember now.

My goodness, you save them? In your computer or to another device? I don't save anything, I print it out because I can retrieve it faster than searching for it in the computer, and I am afraid someone would steal my computer. No one is going to steal my 75 binders (one for each line), but then the house could catch fire and I would lose them. Well, whichever way, the repository is always online now so we would just have to find the images all over again.

I had another problem with Firefox. I tried to e-mail a record link to a cousin in Texas, and I couldn't do it because when I am on Firefox the e-mail defaulted to a really old MSN Explorer browser (the one with the butterfly) that is still in my computer from when I had just dial-up. I will have to call MSN and see if they can tell me how to keep that old thing from launching itself. Why it

Comentario

I save them to the computer under a folder that has the same name as the
surname of the family. I name the files with the names of people in the
record. This make for finding the records easy. You can also use the search
function to find the files this way. I you buy a small fireproof case and do
a weekly backup of everything to an external harddrive or USB drive and put
the drive into the case everytime you are done backing up then you won't
have to worry about a fire damaging it. If you save the drive in a sealed
plastic bag it will also be safe from water damage due to a flood. You
should already be doing this for small valuables and important documents you
never want to lose in a natural disaster.

As far as email you need to change the email client setting in Firefox to
use Use and choose Hotmail if it's in there.
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Changing%20the%20e-mail%20program%2…

Armando

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

>
> Armando

Comentario

Armando,

If only I was one tenth as computer literate as you! I did buy an external drive and a small "thumb" drive, but when I tried to install them, they messed up my computer so badly that I just uninstalled them. We do have a box at the bank for documents.

I went to Best Buy where I bought the drives and asked them to help me but they got too impatient. They had a home service, but they wanted $100 just for coming out to start.

Thanks again for your suggestions, and I will go to that link and see if I can manage to change the e-mail client setting in Firefox.

Emilie

> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 21:15:37 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] website troubles? Downloaded Firefox.
>
> I save them to the computer under a folder that has the same name as the
> surname of the family. I name the files with the names of people in the
> record. This make for finding the records easy. You can also use the search
>

GuadalajaraDispensas: 1798-1799 FHL Source Film N/A

Hello everyone,
Another file posted tonight. I will post one more tomorrow and these two should keep you all busy over the weekend! :)

Now posted: 1798-1799 FHL Source Film N/A

Comentarios

Comentario

Dear Claudia,

I want to thank you so much for you hard work and dedication. I know what it feels like to transribe and index records, it takes work. Honestly I call it grunt work, the stuff lots of people won't do. You have provided so much help. I made a connection to a Flores Alatorre line thanks to the dispensas and many others. I'm a regular at your blog, will continue to be. Once again thanks and congrats!

Daniel Mendez Camino

Question regarding first names

Dear NR primos,
Would it be common to have different children named "Jose Maria" + a different middle name?

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Comentario

Many kids were baptized with multiple names, my 2nd great grandmother was baptized Maria Daria Atilana del Refugio Rubio de Zepeda, but she went by Atilana. This is probably your ancestor it would be enough proof for me in my own lines, and I'm very critical. As long you have the same parents, grandparents, location, should be good.

Daniel Mendez Camino

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I also think it's the Jose Maria I'm looking for because it matches with the parents names, and they are residing in La Barranca where it seems there were several people from La Villita near Jalpa.

One thing I'm still looking for is which "Barranca" the Calvillo church refers to. I haven't found anything definitive, the Diccionario Geografico by Cuba gives 2 Barrancas near Calvillo, Barranca del Roble and Barranca de Frensos. Today you can also see Barranca del Portale de Portales.

Interesting tidbit from my 87 year-old uncle. He says that he would deliver eggs and other products to Aguascalientes and would take the go from La Villita to Hacienda de San Pedro and head west into the mountains and then past Calvillo and into Aguascalientes. He can't recall how long it took (he used a burro) but he says it was 8-12 hours. Google says it takes 8 hours to walk from Jalpa to Calvillo, so I believe him.

Comentario

I wish you the best of luck in your search. Nothing is better than the feeling of success in your genealogy. Interesting not my Camino family lived in the Hacienda de San Pedro for about 3 years 1897-1900 where two kids were born. They would move around a lot, Aguascalientes, Mexico City, Pinos, Asientos, Huanusco, Jalpa and Calvillo.
Daniel M

Comentario

It was common for men to not use their middle names, wich were given at their baptism, when they were adults. Sometimes the "Jose" whould be dropped also, altough not when named Jose Maria. It could be highly unlikely that his parents renamed him after another diseased child; as far as i understand it was "bad" luck. Hope this helps,

A. Bugarin

Comentario

It could be highly unlikely that as far as i understand it was "bad" luck. Hope this
helps,t his parents renamed him after another
diseased child

So many parents named their child after a child died. They felt like they were honoring the deceased child. I have many many instances of two or more children with the same name in my family files.

In my mother's family there were three boys named Teodulo after the first two had died. The third one still lives.

Alicia

________________________________

It was common for men to not use their middle names, wich were given at their baptism, when they were adults. Sometimes the "Jose" whould be dropped also, altough not when named Jose Maria. It could be highly unlikely that his parents renamed him after another diseased child; as far as i understand it was "bad" luck. Hope this helps,

A. Bugarin -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List

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I have seen in the US censuses and old Mexican census from 1841 and in the Mexican baptism records where they named another child with the name of another one that was older and they both lived to adulthood. In one instance they called the older child "primera".

Emilie

> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:06:58 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Naming of children after deceased child
>
> It could be highly unlikely that as far as i understand it was "bad" luck. Hope this
> helps,t his parents renamed him after another
> diseased child
>
>
> So many parents named their child after a child died. They felt like they were honoring the deceased child. I have many many instances of two or more children with the same name in my family files.
>
>
> In my mother's family there were three boys named Teodulo after the first two had died. The third one still lives.
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> It

Comentario

I'm not sure about the "bad" luck issue. My grandparents were from Jalisco,
Durango, Guanajuato and Chihuahua, and both of my parents have sibs who were
named after deceased older sibs, with only very slight changes in the formal
names, and less to none in the name they used. I would have thought that if
any one of grandparents were superstitious, they would have insisted (within
that couple),that this not be done.

Raquel Ruiz

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:52 PM, wrote:

> It was common for men to not use their middle names, wich were given at
> their baptism, when they were adults. Sometimes the "Jose" whould be dropped
> also, altough not when named Jose Maria. It could be highly unlikely that
> his parents renamed him after another diseased child; as far as i understand
> it was "bad" luck. Hope this helps,
>
> A. Bugarin -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>
> To post, send email to:
> research(at)NuestrosRanchos.**com
>
> To change your

NAVARRO de Tepatitlan

Hola a Todos

Ojalá que alguno de Uds. pueda ayudarme a conseguir el tomo IV de " Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia " en él se encuentra la genealogía de los Navarro de Tepatitlán. Si alguien lo tiene y no lo quiere vender, tal vez me pueda hacer el gran favor de escanear las páginas tocantes a esa familia, que tengo entendido fué una de las primeras 117 que llegaron a Los Altos de Jalisco a mediados del siglo XVI.

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Dirigido a Tomás Alejandro villegas:

Hola Tomás;

Varias personas me contestaron que de la obra "Retoños ------", sólo se han publicado los dos primeros tomos, por lo que no me queda mas que esperar a que se publiquen los siguientes. Los dos primeros ya los tengo, están muy interesantes.

Mi abuelo Tiburcio Navarro Acevez nació en Tepatitlán en 1884 y toda la familia se mudó a Guadalajara a fines del siglo XIX. Ignoro si su papá Narciso Navarro Martín tuvo hermanos, en tal caso no se nada de sus decendientes, el papá de Narciso se llamaba Onofre Navarro Gutierrez y el padre de éste último fué Felipe Navarro, ignoro el segundo apellido. Eso es lo que hasta ahora hé podido averiguar.
Sería fantástico si pudieras encontrar uno de éstos nombres en tu lista.
Yo nací en la Cd. de México y mi esposo en Alemania, pero desde hace 25 años radicamos en una pequeña población del Edo. de Nueva York.
Por aqui no hay muchos latinos y tú en que parte de EE.UU. vives?

Saludos
Bertha M. de Boehm

Comentario

Hola Bertha:

Gusto en saludarte, y desearte lo mejor siempre.
Yo desde hace varios años estoy investigando mi genealogia por
todas mis ramas y una de ellas
es presisamente la de los Navarro, ya que mi abuelo era Francisco
Villegas Navarro, y siempre cuando
consulto films o libros de los Altos de Jalisco, procuro tomar nota de
todos los Navarro que me encuentro
y tengo bastante "historia" de los Navarro en los Altos, aunque
reconozco que me falta todabia muchisimo
mas por investigar, si gustas mandame tu Genealogia hasta lo mas
antiguo que tengas de tus Navarro para
ver que tengo y si puedo enlasarte con lo que he investigado.

Por cierto, sobre lo del libro de DonMariano Glez Leal, yo si
he podido escribirme via e-mail y ya le
pregunte sobre la continuacion de su obra, solo se publicaron hasta
ahora los 2 primeros tomos, que por
cierto ya se re-editaron recientemente, el tubo, segun he sabido, que
suspender la publicacion de sus
siguientes tomos porque tubo problemas

Comentario

Hola Tomas Alejandro:

Hace algún tiempo leí en uno de tus mensajes, que tu cuarto abuelo fué José Manuel Navarro Gutierrez.
Era este antepasado tuyo de Tepatitlán? Si fuera así tal vez esté relacionado con mi tercer abuelo Onofre Navarro Gutierrez que debe haber nacido por 1820 o 30, en tal caso me interesaría saber el nombre del padre de tu dicho cuarto abuelo y si sabes su asendencia, te agradecería me pasaras los datos. Por supuesto yo te pasaría los datos que tenga sobre esa genealogía.

Saludos
Bertha Medina de Boehm

En Busca de mis Antepasados
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

Comentario

Hola Bertha,

Que yo sepa, solo se han publicado dos tomos de "Retoños de España en la
Nueva Galicia". El tomo siguiente se iba a publicar el año pasado, pero
quien sabe por que razón ya no se hizo. Hace algunos años traté de ponerme
en contacto con D. Mariano González Leal pero nunca logré comunicarme con
él.

En qué parte de los EE.UU. vives? Tengo muchos años de estar radicado en
los Estados Unidos con mi familia. Yo nací en Guatemala pero tengo raíces
profundas en Aguascalientes, Zacatecas y los Altos de Jalisco, así como
también en Centroamérica, Estados Unidos, Alemania y varias regiones de
España.

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

Comentario

Hola Bill:

Muchas gracias por tu información, varias personas me comentaron lo mismo
que tú, hasta ahora sólo se han publicado los tomos I y II, ojalá pronto
salgan los siguientes.

Yo nací en la Ciudad de México y mi esposo es de Alemania, pero desde hace
25 años radicamos en Herkimer NY, es un lugar pequeño en el valle del río
Mohawk, a más de 4 horas en coche de la Ciudad de Nueva York. Y tú en que
parte de EE.UU. vives?

Saludos

Bertha M. de Boehm

En Busca de mis Antepasados
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

***********************************************
"Böhm-Chronik"
http://www.boehm-chronik.com
600-jährige Geschichte einer Familie
in Schlesien (1329-1948)
***********************************************

Comentario

Hola Bertha,

Tengo entendido que el tomo IV aun no se ha publicado, a menos que se haya
hecho muy recientemente. Creo que nada mas se han publicado los tomos I y
II, pero quizás esté equivocado.

Saludos,

Ricardo

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de
Boehm-Chronik
Enviado el: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:44 AM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] NAVARRO de Tepatitlan

Hola a Todos

Ojalá que alguno de Uds. pueda ayudarme a conseguir el tomo IV de " Retoños
de España en la Nueva Galicia " en él se encuentra la genealogía de los
Navarro de Tepatitlán. Si alguien lo tiene y no lo quiere vender, tal vez me
pueda hacer el gran favor de escanear las páginas tocantes a esa familia,
que tengo entendido fué una de las primeras 117 que llegaron a Los Altos de
Jalisco a mediados del siglo XVI.

Ya tengo dos años tratando de conseguir ése tomo y no lo encuentro, parece
que

Comentario

Hola Rick:

Gracias por tu pronta respuesta, varias personas contestaron a mi mail y
todos dicen lo mismo que tú, el tomo IV aún no se ha publicado, no me queda
más que esperar con paciencia.

A propósito en nuestra reciente visita a Tepatitlan no pudimos comunicarnos
contigo, tratamos varias veces sin éxito, pero tuvimos suerte de encontrar
el tomo I de Retoños de España..... en el Museo de la Ciudad, así como otros
libros interesantes, a ver si para el año entrante si tenemos el gusto de
conocerte.

Saludos

Bertha M.de Boehm

En Busca de mis Antepasados
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

Related to Cosme Felix De La Villa De Bugarin?

After connecting all the dots... it seems my Bugarins mIght be Descendants of Cosme Felix Bugarin....
I have
Margarito Rivera Bugarin My GG Grandpa

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My ancestor had a twin brother who was you Francisco Dionisio Cuates Bugarin Gonzales. Felix cosme Bugarin came from bayona in norther spain where he was a judge and of "pure blood". just letting you know, saludo

Family Search

I was trying to use Family Search on a computer with Windows XP and IE 7. For all practical purposes it does not work.

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Comentario

Is it necessary to use Firefox as your default browser?  I've tried installing twice w/o using it as my default browser and I don't think it is working, as I'm experiencing the same problem with the FamilySearch site.  

--- On Thu, 9/15/11, gpf13@aol.com wrote:

From: gpf13@aol.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011, 3:38 AM

I was trying to use Family Search on a computer with Windows XP and IE 7. For all practical purposes it does not work.

I went to google, searched for Firefox, and downloaded the current version. This relatively quick, but depends on your internet connection.

I did the standard installation (essentially just follow the instructions: press the "run" button). Started Firefox, searched for Family Search, and everything worked without any problems.

When you install Firefox, you have the option of importing your IE favorites (or bookmarks), although I didn't do this.

I was up and

Comentario

No, setting it as default won't make a difference. Have you tried Google
Chrome also?

Armando

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Is it necessary to use Firefox as your default browser? I've tried
> installing twice w/o using it as my default browser and I don't think it is
> working, as I'm experiencing the same problem with the FamilySearch site.
>
> --- On Thu, 9/15/11, gpf13@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> From: gpf13@aol.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011, 3:38 AM
>
>
> I was trying to use Family Search on a computer with Windows XP and IE 7.
> For all practical purposes it does not work.
>
> I went to google, searched for Firefox, and downloaded the current version.
> This relatively quick, but depends on your internet connection.
>
> I did the standard installation (essentially just follow the instructions:
> press the "run" button). Started Firefox, searched for Family

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Armando,
I got Firefox downloaded and working as far as being able to use Familysearch.  However, I can't seem to get my old Yahoo default page with all my mail folders, favorites, etc. to coordinate with it.  The Yahoo page that comes up with Firefox is void of all my previous infromation.  I can access all my info opening the Explorer desktop icon.  Should I dedicate Firefox use solely to researching on Familysearch?    Thanks so much, Alice Blake

--- On Thu, 9/15/11, Armando wrote:

From: Armando
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011, 4:32 AM

No, setting it as default won't make a difference. Have you tried Google
Chrome also?

Armando

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Is it necessary to use Firefox as your default browser?  I've tried
> installing twice w/o using it as my default browser and I don't think it is
> working, as I'm experiencing the same problem with the

Comentario

Alice,

Those must be different pages of Yahoo. Try copying the URL address from IE
and pasting it into Firefox. Also see the page Importing favorites and other
data from Internet Explorer at
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Importing%20favorites%20and%20other…

Armando

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Alice Blake wrote:

> Armando,
> I got Firefox downloaded and working as far as being able to use
> Familysearch. However, I can't seem to get my old Yahoo default page with
> all my mail folders, favorites, etc. to coordinate with it. The Yahoo
> page that comes up with Firefox is void of all my previous infromation. I
> can access all my info opening the Explorer desktop icon. Should I
> dedicate Firefox use solely to researching on Familysearch? Thanks so
> much, Alice Blake
>
> --- On Thu, 9/15/11, Armando wrote:
>
>
> From: Armando
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thursday

Question regarding first names

Dear NR primos,
Would it be common to have different children named "Jose Maria" + a different middle name?

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Comentario

Apologies, I tried editing this post and mistakenly posted twice. I couldn't figure out how to delete this post, so if anyone can tell me I'll be glad to do it.

Solicito ayuda para evaluar informacion sobre mis posibles ancestros

Hola foro,

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Comentario

HOLA ROBERTO,
Entiendo tu problema, mira yo como lo he hecho es checando cada partida de
bautismo y matrimonio y ver que coincidan los padres, es irte despacito de
generación en generación, checando la coincidencia de los padres, tambien
busca la coincidencia de las fechas, calcula promedio de 20 años entre cada
generación, aunque pueden ser mas o menos, tambien puedes ayudarte buscando
a los hermanos y confirmando que sean del mismo pueblo.

Espero te sirva,

Saludos
Patty

2011/9/15

> Hola foro,
>
> Solicito la ayuda de algun miembro del grupo para evaluar informacion que
> he encontrado sobre mis posibles ancestros (Linea directa Paternal). Tengo
> escasos 2 meses que comence a involucrarme en la busquedad de mis
> ancestros, la poca experiencia que tengo en este tema de la Genealogia me
> hace temer en posibles errores que he cometido a travez de mi busquedad.
> Tengo mas de 30 "snapshots" y los enlaces(links) a actas de bautismo y
> matrimonio (religioso y civil)de quienes

Comentario

Martha,

Muchas Gracias por tu consejo. Quizas estoy asumiendo demasiado y estoy "brincando" a la anterior generacion un poco rapido y se me han pasado "pequenos" detalles. Por el momento solo estoy enfocado en mi Linea directa paterna (Hernandez, Region Cienega de Jalisco(La Barca y Ayotlan)), he encontrado actas de matrimonio y de bautismo de hermanos/hermanas de mis posibles ancestros y he hecho comparaciones con los padres, abuelos y lugar de origen, tambien he usado la logica para sacar mis conclusiones. Pero he encontrado algunas discrepancias que me confunden y me hacen dudar. Por ejemplo; la edad que he encontrado en las actas de matrimonio de algunos de mis ancestros estan como 4 a 8 ano's fuera de lugar segun la edad de acuerdo al acta de bautismo, ejemplo...en el acta de matrimonio dice que tiene 24 ano's de edad, cuando en realidad tenian 30. Era "confiable" la edad escrita en las actas de Matrimonio? Tambien he encontrado que algunos hermanos/as usaban diferentes

Comentario

En algunos casos nuestros ancestros no eran muy honestos que digamos con su
edad al momento de casarse ;) por eso es que no cuadra, tambien era muy
comun que se volvieran a casar es por eso que se encuentran hijos del mismo
padre pero con distinta mamá, si tienes mas dudas me imagino que ya has
consultado la información matrimonial...

2011/9/15

> Martha,
>
> Muchas Gracias por tu consejo. Quizas voy un poco rapido y se me han
> pasado "pequenos" detalles. Por el momento solo estoy enfocado en mi Linea
> directa paterna (Hernandez, Region Cienega de Jalisco(La Barca y Ayotlan)),
> he encontrado actas de matrimonio y de bautismo de hermanos/hermanas de mis
> posibles ancestros y he hecho comparaciones con los padres, abuelos y lugar
> de origen, tambien he usado la logica para sacar mis conclusiones. Pero he
> encontrado algunas discrepancias que me confunden y me hacen dudar. Por
> ejemplo; la edad que he encontrado en las actas de matrimonio de algunos de
> mis ancestros estan

Marcos Carrillo

Hello everyone,

I have posted on this before but I seem to have hit a
wall. I'm looking for the parents of one of my ancestors,
Marcos Carrillo. His wife was Petra Bermudez and I have found

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Comentario

Hello Gustavo,

I have a Juanna Maria Carrillo on my tree from about that period. She married a Pedro Aguirre one of my direct ancestors. They had a daughter and son that I have found so far. The daughter was born in 1806. Does this match any of your information?

Barbara

Comentario

this is from the district of Jerez, Zacatecas.  There is also a son Jose Antonio, is this the correct time period?  You didn't say where or when.
.baptism 7 April 1782 in Jerez
Maria Sista Espanola born in San Vicente 11 days old
parents: Pedro Aguirre and Juana Maria Carrillo
pad: Juan Pedro Garcia and Juana Feliciana de la Cruzsource: 0439848 Jerez baptism

From: "andrewsbarbara@charter.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juana Carrillo

Hello Gustavo,

I have a Juanna Maria Carrillo on my tree from about that period.  She married a Pedro Aguirre one of my direct ancestors.  They had a daughter and son that I have found so far.  The daughter was born in 1806.  Does this match any of your information?

Barbara

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The Juana Carrillo that I mentioned was born in Jerez but married
Juan Esteban Perez in Totatiche, Jalisco on May 11,1774. She was
the daughter of Marcos Carrillo. I'm afraid we are talking about
two different persons. Thank you.

Gustavo

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Gustavo, I research in Jerez but do not have Marcos Carrillo and Petra Bermudez.. Can you post their children to see if I have anything on them.  I believe Jomulco is still part of Jerez.
thank you
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

From: "sr92809@sbcglobal.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:16 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marcos Carrillo

Hello everyone,

  I have posted on this before but I seem to have hit a
wall. I'm looking for the parents of one of my ancestors,
Marcos Carrillo. His wife was Petra Bermudez and I have found
documents on about seven of their children. None give information on grandparents. I believe he married between
1745-1750 in Jerez, Zac. Most marriage records for those years in Jerez are missing on the familysearch website, so I have not had any luck finding it, if it even exists.
  When reading some records on their chldren I found that
they lived in a place called Ximulco which then belonged
to the Villa de Jerez. I

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Thank you for your reply Linda. I didn't mention that Marcos
Carrillo moved to Totatiche,Jal. around 1760. Most records I
have found for his children are from there. Only three I have
found were actually born in Jerez. Their names were Rafael,
Juana Esmeregilda and Gregorio Carrillo. Gregorio was baptized
in Jerez on Dec.4,1757. The other two I'm not sure but they
were older. I noticed his godparents were the couple, Jose Antonio
Carrillo and Ana de Acuna who were also from Ximulco. I believe
Jose Antonio might be a brother of Marcos but I'm not sure.
Thank You.

What now?

What is going on now at the "new" Family Search site?

My Windows XP with IE8 was working fine, now it seems they have changed things.

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The functionality of the Family Search website has changed.

There is a different indicator for the page as it loads (I like the old one better).

The controls are all at the top of the screen.

The "full screen" control expands the screen, and stills keeps the control keys available (unlike before).

One of the NR members said they can no longer print a portion of the image. It can still be done, but the best was is to SAVE the image (control is at the right, next to PRINT). Save the image with a meaningful name (change the default "record_image.jpg"). On my computer the default is that downloaded files go into the "Download" folder (I'm using Windows Vista; Windows 7 will be the same): you can change this.

A picture viewer comes with the Windows operating system; there are others that are free (eg, Picassa, as an example), or others you can purchase.

Open the image with a picture viewer, and crop the image to the area you want. You can save the cropped image if you choose.

I

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George,

I got an answer from Feedback to my complaint to them when I couldn't figure out last night what had happened to the old functions for the images. I will put that answer up later, since I am so rattled right now I can't think straight. It is such a change, and they don't even give you a warning. I fail to see what the big deal would be to just put up a little announcement about major changes like this. They mentioned that they themselves were still having trouble with the zoom function.

I am especially concerned about no longer being able to print out a perfect clear image of just a portion of the page. That was one of the best features it had. To download the whole page and then crop it later somehow loses the clarity when you enlarge it to view it. A cousin of mine has always downloaded the whole page, then cropped the portion she wants, but then when she sends the image to me and I enlarge it, it is all pixilated because cropping corrupts the clarity, so I had to

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Emily

I wonder if the software your cousin is using is saving the cropped image with lower resolution. That might the source of the problem; you may want to ask her if she has the option of saving with a higher resolution.

I'm using Microsoft Office Picture Manager on my office machine (Windows 7), and it does not reduce the resolution. On my home machine (Windows Vista), Picassa works similar (not reducing resolution).

Does any NR member have another idea?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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George, that is exactly what I think is happening and I was going to say the
same thing. Her cousin is probably doing it to save hard drive space or her
program is doing it without her knowing. It could also be that when she send
the images the email program might be compressing the images.

Emily, the images on FamilySearch have the same resolution as always with
200 dpi and 8 bit depth. There would be no reason for them to change the
resolution of the images. Any image that has bad resolution was like that
from the beginning. Have your cousin send you the link as Barbara suggested.

As far as moving the image around I am not having an issue. As they say the
mouse pointer doesn't change from the arrowed cross to a hand but when I
click on the image I am able to move the image just fine. I actually like
the changes and had always wished the zoom function was at the top and the
hand would lock up on me a lot. I'm hoping these changes fixed that.

You really should try using Firefox www

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Emilie,

My problems were resolved when I changed my browser to firefox per your e-mail from the help desk. I too am not having problems and I actually like it better with the latest changes.

Try firefox and see, it could solve all issues.

Alicia

________________________________
From: Armando
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pixilated Images

George, that is exactly what I think is happening and I was going to say the
same thing. Her cousin is probably doing it to save hard drive space or her
program is doing it without her knowing. It could also be that when she send
the images the email program might be compressing the images.

Emily, the images on FamilySearch have the same resolution as always with
200 dpi and 8 bit depth. There would be no reason for them to change the
resolution of the images. Any image that has bad resolution was like that
from the beginning. Have your cousin send you the link as

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Alicia,

Thanks for your input. I guess I will try downloading Firefox and see what happens. I guess if something goes wrong, the people at Office Depot can fix it.

Emilie

> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:09:32 -0700
> From: alliecar@pacbell.net
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pixilated Images
>
> Emilie,
>
> My problems were resolved when I changed my browser to firefox per your e-mail from the help desk. I too am not having problems and I actually like it better with the latest changes.
>
> Try firefox and see, it could solve all issues.
>
> Alicia
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pixilated Images
>
> George, that is exactly what I think is happening and I was going to say the
> same thing. Her cousin is probably doing it to save hard drive space or her
> program is doing it without her knowing. It

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Armando,

Thank you for your input.

What my cousin does is she saves the whole page image, then she somehow crops it (that is where she might not be using the correct resolution), then she uploads it to her Ancestry.com tree. She tells me to look at her tree for all the images and photos and stories she puts up there. So it could be that when I open her images from Ancestry.com, maybe they have compressed it. I hate to ask her to change her routine and just send me the link---that would be an extra step for her. And like many people, she puts all her lines in one tree, not just the one we share, and she has thousands of photos, images, and thousands of people. I tell my cousins to make one tree for each line, but they are so proud to say how many more thousands of people are in their trees.

I don't know what kind of operating program or browser she has, but apparently whatever it is she isn't having any problem with finding images on the new Family Search Viewer, or she

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Hello Emilie,

I share your concerns over the resolution issues with Family Search. I intend to share my concerns through their feedback link also. My cousin and I are also researching our family, although different branches, and we email each other the link from the Family Search website we wish to share with one another. Perhaps until this issue is resolved you and your cousin my consider doing the same, just email the link to the page you are sharing. This may help for the time being.

Thanks,
Barbara

Romos -Lagos de Moreno and Aguascalientes. 1770's to early 1800's

After searching for my maternal grandmother (Crecencia Romo Rodriguez) for several years I finally found her. I had been working with wrong birth year and birth location.

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Hello Aurora,

Do you have an online tree? Can you send me the links to all of the baptisms
and marriages for these people in Lagos de Moreno? I'll see what I can find.
Have you browsed the Información matrimonial 1773-1774 and 1774-1776 for the
marriage of Joaquín Romo de Vivar and Josefa Camarena?

Armando

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Aurora Romo wrote:

>
> After searching for my maternal grandmother (Crecencia Romo Rodriguez) for
> several years I finally found her. I had been working with wrong birth year
> and birth location. She died when my mother was a very small child. Now I
> would like to continue researching my Romo family surname.
>
> Crecencia Romo was born 1885 in Aguascalientes, daughter of Luz Romo Olmos
> (b. abt 1850 in Aguascalientes) and Maria Del Refugio Rodríguez – siblings
> Higinio Romo Rodríguez and Maria Romo Rodríguez.
> Parents of Luz Romo –
> Ynocencio Romo de Alba and Gumencinda Olmos married July 10, 1839, Aguas.
> Children: Maria Vicenta

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Aurora Romo

Hola Armando,
I have been checking the baptism records for the children of Joaquin Romo and Maria Josefa Camarena. I have checked the names of the "Padrinos" to see if that would help. I found the padrinos of Ma. Rosalia de Los Reyes were Jose Antonio Romo. Jose Antonio is the son of Pedro Romo and Anna Maria Gonzales married 21, Feb, 1740. They are all from Salsipuedes. Perhaps Joaquin is also the son of Pedro? I have not proven that yet. I will check the "informacion matrional" for Joaquin and Josefa Camarena. I am having trouble with FamilySearch Church records. It seems to take much longer to page up and I can no longer copy the individual record to keep for documentation. All I can print is the full page and it is too small. I guess they changed their site again or perhaps I am doing something wrong.

(I have posted family tree info on Roots Magic, My Heritage and Ancestry.com )

Thanks for your help and by the way I believe we are related by way of the Macias

GuadalajaraDispensas: 1797-1836 FHL Source Film 168100 / OAH 2337 Extractions Online

Dear fellow members. I posted a new file today: some good ones here!

Now posted: 1797-1836 FHL Source Film 168100
Nuevo archivo: 1797-1836 OAH 2337

www.guadalajaradispensas.com

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Claudia

Thank you for all the hard work! You found an interesting and useful Villalpando dispensation (Jose Miguel Villalpando marrying Francisca Villapando in Asientos) in one of your earlier posts.

They descend from Tomas de Villapando of Leon.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

To Armando re San Felipe film

Armando,

I just received the message below from Feedback at Family Search.

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Emily

It is sometimes useful to look at the FHL catalog for details ("film notes") on the films for a specific location. You can get to the catalog from either the old Family Search website, or the current one.

Many times, the film notes are pretty simple (examples from Aguascalientes):

Bautismos 1663-1684

Other times, they will indicate other records:

Bautismos 1616-1662 incluye algunos matrimonios

Sometimes rather complex:

Bautismos de españoles, Libro 12, abr. 1719-dic. 1733 y una partida de mayo 1728 al final -- Libro 34, sep. 1781-mar. 1786 y una de agosto al final -- Libro 41, abr. 1814-mar. 1816 (Incluye partidas de las parroquias de los pueblos de Jesús María y de San Marcos que pertenecen a la Villa de Aguascalientes) [Bill Figueroa posted some comments on this film a couple of years ago here at Nuestros Ranchos.]

The film "titles" as they appear on Family Search's digitized records typically do not give this level of detail, typical is a beginning and end year, with

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George,

Thank you for all these helpful hints.

I also see that some of the print-outs I have kept also list a "reference number", and I don't know what that means. I wish they could also include the Image Number; I can dream, no?

Emilie

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: gpf13@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:51:28 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FHL films
>
> Emily
>
> It is sometimes useful to look at the FHL catalog for details ("film notes") on the films for a specific location. You can get to the catalog from either the old Family Search website, or the current one.
>
> Many times, the film notes are pretty simple (examples from Aguascalientes):
>
> Bautismos 1663-1684
>
> Other times, they will indicate other records:
>
> Bautismos 1616-1662 incluye algunos matrimonios
>
> Sometimes rather complex:
>
> Bautismos de españoles, Libro 12, abr. 1719-dic. 1733 y una partida de mayo 1728 al final -- Libro 34, sep. 1781-mar. 1786 y una de