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Seguramente tú y yo somos primos. No he revisado bien tus arboles pero creo que a través de tus linajes de Totatiche así como el de Castañeda de Tlaltenango debemos tener ancestros en común.

Arturo

Aurora Romo
I believe that is Velis

Alice,

On second thought, it could be Velis or something similar, because it's so faint
and obscure, it's difficult to decipher what the letters could be.

Alicia

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From: Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 9:12:31 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] decipher

I would greatly appreciate it if someone would please help me interpret a name
on a baptismal entry. I'm trying to figure out the paternal grandmother's
name: Manuela ?? It's Zac, Zac, Sagrario Bautismos 1854-1855, image 74, entry
550. All thoughts will be considered!!Thank you for your help.
Alice Blake

Alice,

My wild guess would be Manuela Ruis. I looked at the capital R up above where it
states, yo el Presb. D Ramon Valenzuela.

Does Ruis fit in with your current family lines or would this be a new surname?

Hope this helps,

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca.

________________________________
From: Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 9:12:31 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] decipher

I would greatly appreciate it if someone would please help me interpret a name
on a baptismal entry. I'm trying to figure out the paternal grandmother's
name: Manuela ?? It's Zac, Zac, Sagrario Bautismos 1854-1855, image 74, entry
550. All thoughts will be considered!!Thank you for your help.
Alice Blake

In Los Angeles on time warner cable it will air on KOCE at 10pm, channel 240

I live near Santa Barbara, California... and beside the fact that I can see it announced on their web-site and and internet news, I can't find anything... searched tv guide on-line and my digital listngs for PBS (KCET here, I guess!) on my tv... I'm sure it'll come on some time! Thanks for the heads-up anyway! I'll be looking =]

Michael Castro-Correa

Where is it beng shown tonight, Sunday, May 15? Here in the Seattle area it looks like it won't be shown on our local PBS station until May 30 from 10:00pm - 12:00 pm.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> From: aderomo@msn.com
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 09:46:26 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Revolucion
>
>
> PBS is broadcasting tonight The Storm that Swept Mexico a 2 hour documentary on the Mexican revolution. I thought you might be interested in seeing and learning about what our ancestors went through. The documentary took 10 years to make. It includes interviews with 4 people who fought in the revolution and footage of battle areas and haciendas. Perhaps some of our ancestors will be mentioned
>
> Aurora Romo

Dates and times, please?

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Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:46 AM
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Revolucion

PBS is broadcasting tonight The Storm that Swept Mexico a 2 hour documentary
on the Mexican revolution. I thought you might be interested in seeing and
learning about what our ancestors went through. The documentary took 10
years to make. It includes interviews with 4 people who fought in the
revolution and footage of battle areas and haciendas. Perhaps some of our
ancestors will be mentioned

Aurora Romo

There is a Filomena Vasquez, daughter of Dolores Vasquez and Luciana Crus, baptized 2 Apr 1853, San Cosme, Villa De Cos, Zacatecas. This film is online; details from image 43 are:

Filomena Vasquez, baptized 2 Apr 1853, San Cosme, 15 days old, born in Sierralira
Parents: Dolores Vasquez & Luciana Crus
Paternal grandparents: Bartolo Vasquez & Luisa Acosta
Maternal grandparents: Fabian Crus & Nicolasa Moncivais

Francisca's baptism on 8 Jun 1858, is at image 357 on the same film. Parents/grandparents are the same.

I did not find any other children of Dolores and Luciana.

Hopefully, this is helpful.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Quien fue la esposa de Gabriel
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Unless the submitters email address is given then you won't be able to
find out who this is. As for source documents if you are fortunate
enough to have the location be online as in some of the Jalisco records
then just go to the online records and advance quickly to find the dates
given for your great grandmother. If not you have to do a place search
and find the films available for this area. then you would find the film
that corresponds to the dates for your great grandmother and order that
film.

Verification as always is the key to all information found online.

joseph

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http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and

Gracias Patty, se agradece mucho la aportación.

Blanca Isabel Santana.

> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:28:37 +0000
> From: pattyharo@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tecolotlan
>
> Hola, para todos los que tengan ancestros en Tecolotlan, Jalisco miren lo
> que encontré, lo pueden bajar gratis
>
> http://es.scribd.com/doc/39986340/Esbozos-Historicos-de-Tecolotlan

Can anyone who attended comment? Will papers presented be available on-line?

That is wonderful news. Thanks for sharing that with us Rose.

I am hoping someone can help me locate dispensations for the year 1742. That is obviously a year that does not appear to be in any particular film but could be in a number of films that appear to be amalgams of various periods...

The dispensation I am looking for is:

En ocho días del mes de enero de mil setecientos y cuarenta y dos en esta parroquia e iglesia casé y velé a Manuel de Santa María Covarrubias, hijo legítimo de Mathias Covarrubias y de Petra Saldaña, españoles vecinos de esta jurisdicción en el rincón de Totatiche con Petra de la Cruz Grano, hija legítima de Joseph Grano y de Efigenia Covarrubias españoles vecinos de dicho rincón a quienes el Señor ??? Vicario General de este obispado les concedió el beneficio de dispenza de parentesco de consangüinidad en tercer grado. Fueron padrinos Juan Antonio Ríos y Theresa Covarrubias.

great news!!!!, I have severall dispensations so I guess I´ll try

Thank you!

El 11/05/2011 07:56, rosehardy@hotmail.com escribió:
> Good morning all,

> Yesterday Familysearch has finally made the Jalisco records available
> online. Last night I reviewed the Guadalajara Diocese records for
> marriage dispensations.......... and I hit pay dirt!

> It took some going through. I randomly entered image numbers to find the
> year I was looking for. They are not in good order.....but once I found
> the couple, it took me back 3 more generations on one family line.

> So if you've got marriage dispensations and it's within the Guadalajara
> Diocese...this is a must read.

> WOW!!!!

> Rose Gonzales-Hardy

As a FHC volunteer I was invited to use the New Family Search website a
few months ago and so far I have advanced my genealogy by 3 sets of
distant grand parents. I've found two new cousins and am really excited
about the site. I would suggest that you take advantage of this offer it
is a great improvement (speaking only of my quick results).

thanks Bert for the announcement and for the work you recently did on
adding films for the Ojuelos area.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

bert@paredes.net wrote:
> FYI, Just got this email:
> We invite you to be one of the first members of the

Barbara keep in mind people moved around a lot to work and they were not always
there so the witnesses had to answer questions.  If they were not from the
original town they would not know who the grandparents were.
Linda in Boulder City

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From: "andrewsbarbara@charter.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 8:25:07 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jerez, Zacatca 1836 Baptism records

Hello Everyone,
I am researching my family currently from the Jerez Baptism records for 1836.  I
have noticed a large amount of record with no grandparents listed.  Instead, it
says "abuelos no dio rason". I've only seen this so far in the Jerez records but
don't know what it means since it's on so many records.

Hope someone can tell me what that means??

Thanks,

I have seen this mentioned all over the place different areas and time periods.
Usually it meant for one reason or another the grandparents were and are not
to be mentioned. Possibly denotes an iligitimate child, or no recognized father,
ethe possibilities are endless. I have also seen one child in a family where the
a grandparents are not mentioned whereas other children in the same family
do mention the grandparents.

Daniel Méndez Camino

The Aguascalientes indexing project is birth records (nacimientos) for the period 1860 to 1921.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Alice,

One of the reasons why some individuals have have more than one batch number or reference number is because. Some of the microfilms in the Family History Library, have been extracted more than once. And then some areas have been filmed more than once also.

As for how you can have 2 different batch numbers, for the same film number. that depends on when it was extracted. Because in the early extraction, the information was sent to the IGI. And the program was trying to use the same record template for all types of record collections. So for the Mexico and Latin America collections, they were trying to apply, an US record template to the records. Such as, on a christening record, the extractors were told to only extract the name of the child, christening date, and the names of the parents. They were told to disregard all other information in the record (such as birth date, birth place, names of grandparents, etc.). Then came along other record collections, such as the

Welcome to the Group! It seems you have some very surnames that involve in all of our research those of the Spaniard families of Padilla, Moreno, Muñoz. I can bet my money (as long as these are from Los Altos) Which they are! That they are the "de Padilla y Dávila", Moreno de Ortega, and either Muñoz de Hermosillo or Muñoz de la Barba families! These and all our other spanish families teneded to drop part of their name over time, when it was commonly known that everyone was obviously related after 400 years of inbreeding. I would totally go after these families since they might be the ones that we have info for sure, and are commonly researched a lot. I will help you on these families as best as I can. -Daniel Méndez del Camino

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Jose Carlos de Leon

Rita

My experience, for the few areas I've researched, is that the matrimonial investigations are all together (at least in Aguascalientes). There tends to be more for indians than for the Spanish, but the relative numbers would depend on the community, most likely because there were more indians. They are very often not in chronological order. You may need to look at the volume or two before or after the period you are interested in. I've also seen significant gaps, but this is more common for the older documents.

From the FHL catalog there is no indication that the investigations were separated for the different groups. Of course, this does not mean that they weren't.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Paul:

Per the informacion matrimonial that I have dated 8 Feb 1710 in Aguascalientes
Bartolome (Gomez) Rendon was the son of the Treasurer of Zacatecas Capt.
Francisco Gomez Rendon and Maria de Luna. He married Maria Macias Valadez
who was baptized 9 May 1683 in Aguascalientes she was the daughter of
Marcos Macias Valadez and Maria Ruiz de Esparza.

I have a 4th child for Bartolome and Maria, Ana Macias Valadez (used her maternal name)
she died 9 Dec 1775 in Aguascalientes married to Cristobal de los Santos Bustos
they had numerous children.

Maria de Luna was the daughter of Marcos Alvarez Tostado and Maria de Luna there
last two were the founders of the Alvarez de Luna line which lasted for some generations
or so.

Daniel Méndez Camino