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There have been a number of members who have recently been "unsubscribed" from the mailing lists or have stopped getting email messages from the list.

One reason we have identified for this is the server being used to send out the listserv messages is a dedicated listserv server that hosts mailing lists for a number of different organizations, not just Nuestros Ranchos. All such messages come stamped with the server name and IP and the server has been put on a "black list" of anti-spam filters.

Aguayo

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To Juan Carlos Aguayo
I apologize for adding to the immense quantity of messages on this site. I prefer communicating with only those to whom my research is relevant, but I don't have your individual e-mail address.

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Extended Family Integration Among Euro and Mexican Americans--

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Claudia-----I think the link I sent didn't work because it is from a group list of articles from scholarly journals that is sent to me (I subscribed for it). Here is the page that was sent to me. Maybe if you search for it you can subscribe. This article was free, but some I have to pay for. I will try to send the PDF file to your e-mail account. Sorry about that.

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Claudia y Emilie:

El 'Abstract' del articulo "Extended Family Integration Among Euro and Mexican Americans: Ethnicity, Gender, and Class" se halla en:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118493337/abstract.

Ya ahi, seleccionar la opcion 'Fyll Text' (HTML o PDF, cualquiera que se desee) para bajar el articulo completo.

Luis Bojorquez

>>> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:49:41 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Extended Family Integration Among Euro and Mexican Americans--> > Claudia-----I think the link I sent didn't work because it is from a group list of articles from scholarly journals that is sent to me (I subscribed for it). Here is the page that was sent to me. Maybe if you search for it you can subscribe. This article was free, but some I have to pay for. I will try to send the PDF file to your e-mail account. Sorry about that. > Emilie> >

Atencion ELoise Gomez- Reynoso

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Of course times have change but in Mejico we still see the Spaniard Mexicans hold the power same here, Im Spanish I can see alot of racisms still in Mejico. In Aguas or Los Altos wherever their is the majority of white people (like Los Altos) they still have this white is good status. We're very conservative in everything. If a someone different other than white were to walk in lets say our hacienda you would want to get out of there, they stare the person down. MY family too only mixed inside with cousins 7 families total to evade the 'bad people' (So I hear.) My family believed and some still do if you dont have blonde hair and blue eyes something is wrong with you; all most all of us came out like that. Some of us namly me came out with light brown hair and bue eyes. My grandfather doesnt like Barack Obama simply because he is liberal, but I know him way more than that, because Obama is not white, my grandfather doesnt like him. Yes, Spaniards and Mexican Spaniards can be
very

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Daniel,
I hope that you take my comments in the helpful manner in which they are intended. If you are truly concerned about offending people with racist comments, then please stop. It's unsettling that a young person appears to embrace such views and seems to take delight in flaunting them. Certainly, as a member of this group, I honor and appreciate my ancestors--Basque and others, but I won't perpetuate their mistakes. Today, informed and self-confident people throughout the world embrace and celebrate diversity. They don't fear it. Best wishes, Alice B. Blake

--- mormonboy74@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Daniel Mendez
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Atencion ELoise Gomez- Reynoso
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 00:04:44 -0700

Of course times have change but in Mejico we still see the Spaniard Mexicans hold the power same here, Im Spanish I can see alot of racisms still in Mejico. In Aguas or Los Altos wherever their is the majority of white people (like Los Altos) they still

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Yes, Daniel,

It is unsettling and tiresome, this reiteration of the superiority felt by some "Spaniards". We are left to wonder why you take such delight in repeating it, and I question your self-confidence; but I understand that you are so young and have much to learn yet. We are all aware of racism everywhere, it is unproductive to dwell on it. You have so much to offer at your age, your future is ahead of you; don't get sidetracked with an uninformed obsession that doesn't reflect well on you. You admire royalty and royals have the best manners, and would never point out such differences. I hope you appreciate our well-intended remonstrance. I am much happier embracing diversity, and like Alice says, I don't perpetuate my Mexican Basque father's prejudices. People can't be happy when they are always tense about the color of people around them. Best to look at people's character, than their complexion; one has nothing to do with the other.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Un comentario para Daniel Méndez

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Hola, Daniel:

Me alegro de que seas español pues así no tendrás ningún problema porque me dirija a ti en tu lengua materna, esta bella lengua española. En principio, tienes mucha razón: en México existe racismo. No a nivel oficial, en ningún documento encontrarás que tengas que anotar la “raza” de nadie, pero sí como un pesado atavismo que nos dejó el eurocentrismo desde la época colonial. Un atavismo que afecta muchas relaciones informales y no pocas formales, aunque nadie estaría dispuesto a confesarlo. Si tú no conoces el país y ves la televisión mexicana, por ejemplo, pensarás que en México hay un elevado porcentaje de la población con ojos claros. No es un problema exclusivamente mexicano, lo verás en general en Latinoamérica. Los comerciales de la televisión peruana, como otro ejemplo, te harían pensar que la población del Perú es muy similar a la de Dinamarca. Asimismo en Colombia, donde hay un elevado porcentaje de población negra. Si tú ves un comercial de la televisión colombiana no habrá un negro pero ni pasando por allá lejos. En cambio, como paradoja, observa a los jugadores de la Selección Colombiana de Fútbol.

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Perdon, que opine, pues el mensaje no era para mi....... pero no entendi
La razon del comentario.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de vmom
Enviado el: Jueves, 11 de Septiembre de 2008 12:53
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Un comentario para Daniel Méndez

Hola, Daniel:

Me alegro de que seas español pues así no tendrás ningún problema porque me
dirija a ti en tu lengua materna, esta bella lengua española. En principio,
tienes mucha razón: en México existe racismo. No a nivel oficial, en ningún
documento encontrarás que tengas que anotar la “raza” de nadie, pero sí como
un pesado atavismo que nos dejó el eurocentrismo desde la época colonial. Un
atavismo que afecta muchas relaciones informales y no pocas formales, aunque
nadie estaría dispuesto a confesarlo. Si tú no conoces el país y ves la
televisión mexicana, por ejemplo, pensarás que en México

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Victor Manuel:

Quiero felicitarte por tu ensayo sobre los conceptos de la raza y del racismo dentro del contexto mexicano. Siempre me ha impresionado a mi, como chicano, la diferencia en como se tratan los temas en Mexico en comparacion a los Estados Unidos.

Ya que en EE.UU. parecen haber sido las lineas entre las razas mas rigidamente rayadas que en Mexico, aun con la abolicion tardia de la esclavitud, la raza y el racismo es algo bastante tangible y algo que se trata abiertamente y hasta violentamente. Pero el racismo sutil tambien duele.

Sobre lo de Mexico vs. Mejico... creo que la Real Academia Espanola recomienda el uso de equis aunque no se pronuncie en su original Me[sh]ico. Al cambiar la ortografia a jota se pierde completamente el vinculo con el original nahuatl donde la equis representa el sonido [sh] de "shoe" en ingles, sonido que no existe en castellano.

Manorial System (similar to Encomienda)

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Hola amigos de Nuestros Ranchos,

on the 15th of this month we will go again to the homeland of my family to preside among others an international competition of high school students in history from Poland, the Czech Republic and Germany. The title will be: "Silesian Castles and Palaces". The event will take place at Schloss Tannhausen http://www.jedlinka.pl/ . I will represent the family Boehm, owners until the end of Wold War II in 1945.

Mexican-American Family Integration

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In light of recent discussions on this site about ethnicity in Mexico, here is an interesting article titled "Extended Family Integration Among Euro and Mexican Americans: Ethnicity, Gender, Class" that I thought might be interesting to those of us in the US with Euro and Mexican ancestors. (Requires PDF reader).

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Bienvenido Víctor.

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Victor,

Lo que yo sugiero es que vayas al Centro de La Historia Familiar mas cercana. Alli puedes pedir el microfilm de los matrimonios en Encarnacion para los anyos 1871-1900. Recuerda que no todos los microfilmes tienen un indice correspondiente. Luego puedes leer el micro y estudiar el informe. Tardan mucho los filmes para llegar pero vale la pena. Especialmente en tu situacion.

San Juan De Los Lagos: Francisco Diaz/Maria deSan Jose Gutierres

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Joseph, I have both, Gutierrez and Dias in my mother's side of the family; however, they are from Ocotlan and surrounding areas. I was just curious if San Juan de Los Lagos was close to Guadalajara, if so we could have a connection at some point.

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Joseph, You didn't mention the following in you request: I hope they help if you don't have them.

Jose Antonio de la Presentacion Dias Gutierres, ch. 1 December 1782, San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco -- Batch C603386 film 0220647 (1774-1784)

Maria Olalla de San Rafael Dias Gutierres, ch. 20 Feb 1785, San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco -- Batch C603387 film 0220648 (1784-1793)

I also found a Juanna Maria de Sjph. Gutierres Marn., 12 January 1757, San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco (Father: Eusebio Gutierres - Mother: Ylaria Marn. C603384 (1756-1765) film 0220645.

Also a Franco. de Starosas. Gutierres Marn., 3 September 1758, San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco (Father: Juan Gutierres - Mother: Maria Anta. Marn., C603384 (1756-1765) film 0220645.

I don't know if they are related but you can look them up. --Esther :-)

I guess I don't really need the actual record but would like to know if anyone
in the group might have this couple in their database AND more importantly if
you know

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thanks Esther,

I have not done Los Altos research and do not own any films from this area. I'll keep the records you send for future reference. thanks for the reply.

joseph

---- Esther wrote:
> Joseph, You didn't mention the following in you request: I hope they help if you don't have them.
>
> Jose Antonio de la Presentacion Dias Gutierres, ch. 1 December 1782, San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco -- Batch C603386 film 0220647 (1774-1784)
>
> Maria Olalla de San Rafael Dias Gutierres, ch. 20 Feb 1785, San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco -- Batch C603387 film 0220648 (1784-1793)
>
> I also found a Juanna Maria de Sjph. Gutierres Marn., 12 January 1757, San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco (Father: Eusebio Gutierres - Mother: Ylaria Marn. C603384 (1756-1765) film 0220645.
>
> Also a Franco. de Starosas. Gutierres Marn., 3 September 1758, San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco (Father: Juan Gutierres - Mother: Maria Anta. Marn., C603384 (1756-1765) film 0220645.
>
> I don't know if they are related

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I'm kind of reaching with the Dias here. Juana Rosalia Dias in the below record went on to raise a family with her husband in the Colotlan area and I was wondering if possibly they were related to my Dias that came from the Tlaltenango area (Cuculiten). Just curious.

joseph

---- Esther wrote:
> Joseph, I have both, Gutierrez and Dias in my mother's side of the family; however, they are from Ocotlan and surrounding areas. I was just curious if San Juan de Los Lagos was close to Guadalajara, if so we could have a connection at some point.
>
> And thank you for sending me the list. I will take care of it this morning. I have this problem with learning and I believe I learn by being shown how to do things versus written instructions that I have to figure out on my own.
>
> Have a nice day, and I am glad that you and your family are well after this recent hurricane. --Esther
>
>
>
> I guess I don't really need the actual record but would like to know if anyone
> in the

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Fw: NO EMAIL FROM NUESTROS RANCHOS

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Joseph,

I have not received any email from Nuestros Ranchos since last weekend. As
far as I know, nothing in my system has changed. I've been getting other
email as usual. However, it is possible that a disruption in service from

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I've experienced the same problem, although I did receive 3 emails within the last 24 hours. I'm used to receiving at least 20 messages a week. Before yesterday I hadn't received anything in about a week. Something is definitely going on.

Juan

New Files Added To Folder http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13828

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I've added New Files Added To Folder
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13828 please go there in the files
under "Puentes, Joseph" to see my genealogy for the following new files:

AntonioGonzalez 68.18 KB

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Joseph, thank you for adding your files. 
 
As you know my aunt by marriage, Virginia Banuelos is decended from Jacinto Banuelos and Maria Bartola Cipriana de la Torre through thier son Jose Antonio Banuelos,  I did not have her parents in my files.  Can you tell me where you found an approximate date for her birth in Jerez?  Is the Banuelos family from Tepetongo or Jerez?
 
It's still exciting after so many years of researching to find another ancestor taking the line back another generation..
 
thank you again, Linda in B.C.

--- On Sat, 8/30/08, Joseph Puentes wrote:

From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Files Added To Folder http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13828
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 3:04 AM

I've added New Files Added To Folder
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13828 please go there in the files
under "Puentes, Joseph" to see my genealogy for the following new
files:

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the limited Banuelos research i've done is in Tepetongo. I will need to
defer the question about M. Bartola cipriana de la Torre to Rosalinda
Ruiz who has studied this much more than I have.

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> Joseph, thank you for adding your files.
>
> As you know my aunt by marriage, Virginia Banuelos is decended from Jacinto Banuelos and Maria Bartola Cipriana de la Torre through thier son Jose Antonio Banuelos, I did not have her parents in my files. Can you tell me where you found an approximate date for her birth in Jerez? Is the Banuelos family from Tepetongo or Jerez?
>
> It's still exciting after so many years of

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Hi Linda--

I found a record for a Bartola Sipriana de la Torre on familysearch.org. The place and date for this person makes me think that she is the same as the wife of Jacinto Banuelos-- this suspicion is very strong. I have not absolutely proven this, however. I have not yet located the marriage record for Jacinto and Bartola, as it is one of those missing from Jerez. I have tried looking at the films and have never found it; it either was destroyed or has not yet been filmed. Thus, I only have a strong feeling, but considering the uniqueness of the name and the location, I do believe Christobal and Maria to be her parents. I cannot go back any more generations for Jacinto until I find a record of him-- I do know that he and Bartola had children in Jerez, then Tepetongo, and they later lived in Huejucar, but no earlier trace of him has been located. Who Jacinto's parents were continues to be a mystery, although I think he does descend from the larger Banuelos family of

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I'm doing some side research for my brother-in-law his last name is Briseño and I believe he also has Bañuelos. Does anyone have any information on the parents of Marcelino Briseño b-abt 1885 married to Felipa Briseño b-abt 1890 from the Zacatecas area. I know that Marcelino's father was Eligio b abt 1860. also Felipa's parents were Victoriano Briseño b-abt 1870 mother Guadalupe Perez b abt 1872.--Does anyone match or have more info on these people.

Thank You

Miggy

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It's me again , in the same note, other info we are pursuing in Jerez Zacatecas area are Francisco Guerrero Menchaca b-abt 1900 Parents are Alejandro Guerrero b abt 1870 mother Gregoria Menchaca b-abt 1875-- (Need grandparents ) Francisco's wife was Gregoria Garcia b-abt 1905 need all ancestors.

Thank you

Miggy
----- Original Message -----
From: Miggy GUTIERREZ
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bañuelos and Briseño

I'm doing some side research for my brother-in-law his last name is Briseño and I believe he also has Bañuelos. Does anyone have any information on the parents of Marcelino Briseño b-abt 1885 married to Felipa Briseño b-abt 1890 from the Zacatecas area. I know that Marcelino's father was Eligio b abt 1860. also Felipa's parents were Victoriano Briseño b-abt 1870 mother Guadalupe Perez b abt 1872.--Does anyone match or have more info on these people.

Thank You

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I don't have this couple but do have a baptism for a Alejandro Guerrero (24 April 1861)and 2 Gregoria Menchaca (Nov 1867 and 8 May 1874). They also are listed on Rootsweb.com, hope this helps you.
 
Linda in B.C.

--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Miggy GUTIERREZ wrote:

From: Miggy GUTIERREZ
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bañuelos and Briseño
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 12:07 PM

It's me again , in the same note, other info we are pursuing in Jerez
Zacatecas area are Francisco Guerrero Menchaca b-abt 1900 Parents are
Alejandro Guerrero b abt 1870 mother Gregoria Menchaca b-abt 1875-- (Need
grandparents ) Francisco's wife was Gregoria Garcia b-abt 1905 need all
ancestors.

Thank you

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Could this be the Eligio Briceno you are looking for in Jerez? Victoriano and Eligio are brothers...  I have my info posted on Rootsweb.com if you want to search there I do include all my resource records. 
 
Linda in B.C.
 
baptism for child of Victoriano:

#1105 baptism 3 Nov 1887 in Jerez
Antonio born in el Roble 23 Oct 1887 1am
parents: Victoriano Briceno and Guadalupe Perez
pat grn: Manuel Briceno and Eustaquio Guerrero
mat grn: Jesus Perez and Manuela Torres
pad: Ambrocio Briceno and Maria Briceno
source: 0439862 Jerez baptism
 
marriage info for Eligio:

#55 civil marriage 27 Jan 1868 in Jerez
Eligio Briceno and Refugio Barrios
wit: Marcos and Estevan Carrillo both married of legal age jornaleros
source: 1089634 Jerez civil marriage record
============
56 marriage bans 27 Jan 1868 in Jerez
Eligio Briceno age 20 labrador single
parents: Manuel labrador and Eustaqua Guerrero from Los Morales
with: Refugio Barrios age 20 single
parents: Bernabe deceased and Ancelma Caldera widow

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Erlinda. Thank you
Miggy
----- Original Message -----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bañuelos and Briseño

Could this be the Eligio Briceno you are looking for in Jerez? Victoriano and Eligio are brothers... I have my info posted on Rootsweb.com if you want to search there I do include all my resource records.

Linda in B.C.

baptism for child of Victoriano:

#1105 baptism 3 Nov 1887 in Jerez
Antonio born in el Roble 23 Oct 1887 1am
parents: Victoriano Briceno and Guadalupe Perez
pat grn: Manuel Briceno and Eustaquio Guerrero
mat grn: Jesus Perez and Manuela Torres
pad: Ambrocio Briceno and Maria Briceno
source: 0439862 Jerez baptism

marriage info for Eligio:

#55 civil marriage 27 Jan 1868 in Jerez
Eligio Briceno and Refugio Barrios
wit: Marcos and Estevan Carrillo both married of legal age jornaleros
source: 1089634 Jerez civil marriage

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Thanks for responding, I do track Banuelos in Jerez but have not found anything yet but will continue to watch and let you know if I find anything.. We''ll be returning to Everett Wa. and a history center in Nov but until then I don't have one... I'm going through genealogy withdrawl...
 
thanks again, Linda in B.C.

--- On Mon, 9/8/08, rosa9972 wrote:

From: rosa9972
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos was New Files Added To Folder http://www.nuestrosrancho
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:54 AM

Hi Linda--

I found a record for a Bartola Sipriana de la Torre on familysearch.org. The
place and date for this person makes me think that she is the same as the wife
of Jacinto Banuelos-- this suspicion is very strong. I have not absolutely
proven this, however. I have not yet located the marriage record for Jacinto
and Bartola, as it is one of those missing from Jerez. I have tried looking at
the films and have never found it; it either was

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Saint Cristobal Magallanes Jara's relatives in Peoria, Illinois

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I wanted to share the fact that I was recently contacted by a priest in the Peoria, Illinois diocese for some help confirming the relationship of some men in the diocese to Saint Cristobal Magallanes Jara. He had found my database online and I was able to trace the men's mother's ancestry back to a shared common root to the Saint. Father Jared was kind enough to mention me in his article in the Catholic Post.

Inundaciones en Tlaltenango - Floods in Tlaltenango

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Por si acaso no habian escuchado de esto... la gente en la tierra de nuestros ancestros esta sufriendo de los efectos de las lluvias e inundaciones.

In case you had not heard about this... the people in the land of our ancestors are suffering due to heavy rains and flooding.

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I've heard of these floods from the Jerezano newsletter I get on Yahoo. It seems there has been flooding in Jerez, and I wondered about that because it is in the mountains, no? But I guess the storms drop too much water too fast.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:20 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Inundaciones en Tlaltenango - Floods inTlaltenango

Por si acaso no habian escuchado de esto... la gente en la tierra de nuestros ancestros esta sufriendo de los efectos de las lluvias e inundaciones.

In case you had not heard about this... the people in the land of our ancestors are suffering due to heavy rains and flooding.

Río Xaloco destroza Tlaltenango; 3 muertos
El desbordamiento del río Xaloco dejó 15 mil damnificados, la mitad de la población de este municipio al sur de Zacatecas, así como tres muertos, 23 desaparecidos, cinco comunidades

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buscando a Refugio Gomez

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Buenas dias a todos, he realizado con ayuda de “nuestros ranchos” y
entrevistas a familiares mi arbol genealogico hasta una septima generacion,
lo cual representa casi 200 años. me he encontrado problemas en la linea de

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Puedes buscar en el censo de Mexico el cual encontraras en el sitio de familysearch, por favor no dudes en preguntar de nuevo si tienes alguna dificultad. ¿Te han mencionado algún rancho o sólo el municipio?
 
Atentamente Leticia Leon, saludos.

--- El lun 8-sep-08, Mario escribió:

De:: Mario
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] buscando a Refugio Gomez
A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: lunes, 8 septiembre, 2008, 11:16 pm

Buenas dias a todos, he realizado con ayuda de “nuestros ranchos” y
entrevistas a familiares mi arbol genealogico hasta una septima generacion,
lo cual representa casi 200 años. me he encontrado problemas en la linea de
mi abuelo materno solo he avanzado 4 generaciones, los datos con que cuento
son los siguientes:

Abuelo materno Refugio Gomez Ramirez año de nacimiento
1915 ó 1916 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco ó Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco

Bisabuelos Felipa Ramirez y Bernardo Gomez.

Podrán indicarme en que bases de

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EL RANCHO EL PAPELOTE EN JALISCO

Published by Anónimo (no verificado) –
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Does anyone know how I can obtain information about this rancho. "EL PAPELOTE EN JALISCO"? I have tried looking it up on the internet and found nothing at all. No census or if it even exists? Can anyone tell something about it or at least guide me. My paternal grandmother was from this rancho and I can't find anything on her either. Her name CAMILA ESTRADA born abt. 1894 passed away around 1937. I wonder if San Juan de Los Lagos would be a place to find some kind of documents on her.

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Nelida Merenda wrote:

>Does anyone know how I can obtain information about this rancho. "EL PAPELOTE EN JALISCO"? I have tried looking it up on the internet and found nothing at all. No census or if it even exists? Can anyone tell something about it or at least guide me. My paternal grandmother was from this rancho and I can't find anything on her either. Her name CAMILA ESTRADA born abt. 1894 passed away around 1937. I wonder if San Juan de Los Lagos would be a place to find some kind of documents on her.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>

go to your closest Family History Center (Alicia Carrillo has a nice
write up on how to find one close to you:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14638) and order some film most
likely this film (Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1892-1895 - FHL INTL
Film [ 220678 ]) will have your grandmother on it if they took her to
San Juan de los Lagos:

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1710-1957

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Iglesia Católica. San Juan Bautista (San

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Pedro Fernandez de Vaulus

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Has anyone been able to trace information on the place of birth and the name of the parents of Pedro Fernandez de Vaulus?

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I have heard two Navarra (Pamplona) or Aragón. But no evidence, I seen it on the NEw México Society. Supposedly Vaulus is of French Origin hence Aragón in Spain. -Daniel
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Daniel, John and Bill,
I was looking for Pedro Fernandez de Vaulus in PARES under a variety of combinations trying to locate his voyage to Nueva Espana and perhaps more information on this individual's family. None of the Pedro's Fernandez located suggested a connection with our Pedro. I finally searched for Siordia and got the following hit:

RESUMEN:
Título de la unidad: "PEDRO HERNANDEZ"
Archivo: Archivo General de Indias
Signatura: PASAJEROS,L.4,E.4977

ÁREA DE IDENTIFICACIÓN
Código de Referencia:
ES.41091.AGI/1.16419//PASAJEROS,L.4,E.4977
Titulo Nombre atribuido:
PEDRO HERNANDEZ
Fecha Creación:
1566-05-20 -
Nivel de Descripción:
Unidad Documental Simple

ÁREA DE CONTENIDO Y ESTRUCTURA
Alcance y Contenido:
PEDRO HERNANDEZ, natural de Pamplona, soltero, hijo de Pedro Hernández y de Juana Siordia, a Nueva España, como criado del virrey marqués de Falces.

ÁREA DE CONDICIONES DE ACCESO Y UTILIZACIÓN
Índices de Descripción:
Criados
González, María
Hernández, Pedro
Nueva

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>From my opinion this is a hard one, but funny how he is also from Pamplona, I once read in the NMGS (New Mexico Genealogical Society) that stated he was from Pamplona or near Aragon, but didnt see a source. The switching of the H and F is for sure it was common depending what part of Spain you came from, some pronounced the H and F and other parts vice versa (today the H is silent in Modern Castilian. Personally I do think that is him, because of Juana Siordia, its possible he took on Vaulaus as a new surname, it was common back then families often changed their last names to signify a new beginning or house. How many my times my maternal family changed it di Montanara>>>(da Camino di Treviesi) da Camino, de Camino, Gutiérrez del Camino, del Camino, Pérez de Camino>>>Pérez del Camino, now my descendants will take on Méndez del Camino. I think Valaus is where he was born. I just think we need to keep an eye out for this, I will see what I can dig up on his parents. -Daniel
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Jaime,

I think you hit it on the head. As you said, it is not unusual to find the surname "Fernandez" written "Hernandez", like "fierro" and "hierro", "foja" and "hoja" etc. Siordia is NOT a common name, so the possibility of having a Pedro Hernandez, the son of Pedro Hernandez and Juana de Siordia, sail from Spain in 1566 and marry Maria Gabai ca.1580 is good. It fits the timeline. Furthermore, the fact that he named his three daughters Maria, like his wife, Petrona, like his mother-in-law (Petronila de Moctezuma) and Juana, like his own mother, makes sense. Juana was better known as Joana de Siordia. She first married Bernardo Salado, a descendant of Joanes de Salado, Escribano de la Real Audiencia de Guadalajara (I believe he was his son) and when he died she married Francisco Rodriguez Ponce in San Juan de los Lagos. I'm glad you found this important bit of information. I will check other documents and let you know if I find a discrepancy.

Bill Figueroa

BLASONS Y APELLIDOS, YES

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Monday, Sep 8, 2008

Dear Angelina--

Yes, I have this book. It is about the size and shape of the yellow pages and has 828 pages plus. Mine is the Segunda edicion aumentada y corregida 2002.

Sincerely,

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Hello Patricia--
I was wondering if it is possible to send me the index to me about the Book on Heráldica y Blasones Apellidos? If it is too much! Mostly interested on the Camino, my mother's family were and still are in the nobility in Santander and northern España. (Might be listed as Pérez de, del, CAmino or simply as del Camino.)

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To Patricia Burton:

Would you be willing to look up Juan Fernandez de Padilla? The initial
information I found listed him as son of Pero Lopez de Padilla (el viejo)
married to Juana Garcia de Ayala

However, I later found info that listed this Juan Fernandez as married to
Alondra Ponce de Leon.....And possibly his grandson (same name) married to
Juana Garcia de Ayala.

I don't know how much info this book actually has on the Padilla line -
thought it might help me straighten this out.

Thanks,
-Angelina-

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I am familiar with the Ayalas who were in the lower nobility but still prominant with the Poncé and Velasco families in the 12-14 centuries. -Daniel Méndez del Camino
P.S> send the info or link you have.
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Daniel you mentioned that you are familiar with the Ayalas in the 12-14
centuries.....do you know anything about a Juana Garcia de Ayala that
married Juan Fernandez de Padilla? They were the parents of Gutierre de
Padilla who married Leonor de Aguilar.

-Angelina-

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Yes I found your family! she is daughter of Fernando Pérez, Lord of Ayala and Elvira Alvarez de Cabellos, it looks like you have some Portugues. Juan Fernánez de Padilla had a son named PEdro López de Padilla

here is the link (be fast it changes about once a month)

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;i=98624
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Thank you Daniel - the info you found is consistent with what I have.
-Angelina-

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] BLASONS Y APELLIDOS, YES

Yes I found your family! she is daughter of Fernando Pérez, Lord of Ayala
and Elvira Alvarez de Cabellos, it looks like you have some Portugues. Juan
Fernánez de Padilla had a son named PEdro López de Padilla

here is the link (be fast it changes about once a month)

http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;i=98624
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Tepusco, Tepuxco

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for Veronica Rahorn:

The word Tepusco seems to signify copper. The book "Nombres indigenas de todas las ciudades y municipios de la republica mexicana" by Gral. Gabriel Gavira, Mexico, 1953, has the following:

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Thank you, Gloria. I appreciate you looking that up for me.

V-

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tepusco, Tepuxco

> for Veronica Rahorn:
>
> The word Tepusco seems to signify copper. The book "Nombres indigenas de
> todas las ciudades y municipios de la republica mexicana" by Gral. Gabriel
> Gavira, Mexico, 1953, has the following:
>
> Tepuxtepec - Residencia del dios de cobre o cerro de cobre
> Tepoxcolula - Lugar donde se tuerce el metal o de ganchos de cobre.
>
> Gloria Delgado, Albany CA
>

Bañuelos

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Hi Anita--

I've been working on an extensive Banuelos family tree from Ranchos Las Bocas, located close to Huejucar (not too far from Tepetongo and Juanchorrey). I did not locate the names you mentioned in my tree, but I suspect that your Banuelos branch is related to mine.

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Dear Rosalinda: Yes, it appears that this one is my tree. On Marcelo Gonzalez Banuelos christening record, maternal grandparents are shown as Cleto Banuelos and Clemencia Carlos. Their only child I have found is Maria de Jesus Banuelos (her last name was misspelled as Barriento). So do our lines cross and if so, where? Thanks for answering. Anita

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Well, the record I sent you apparently is for a son of Cleto and Clemencia, German. He may have died when he was young, and he appears to be the brother of Maria de Jesus. If you are able to look at Gemrna's baptismal record, it may identify Cleto's and Clemencia's parents's names. Then we can use those names to see how/if we are connected. I have a sneaky suspicion that our Banuelos lines do cross, but we will need Cleto's parents names to help us.

Rosalinda

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>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bañuelos
>
>Dear Rosalinda: Yes, it appears that this one is my tree. On Marcelo Gonzalez Banuelos christening record, maternal grandparents are shown as Cleto Banuelos and Clemencia Carlos. Their only child I have found is Maria de Jesus Banuelos (her last name was misspelled as Barriento). So do our lines cross and if so, where? Thanks for answering. Anita
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Dear Rosalinda:
A good friend was able to view the film and this is what she found:
--- German Banuelos 29 May 1851 Tepetongo
film #0445161 de dos dias de nacido en Juanchorrey hijo legitimo de
Cleto Banuelos y Clemencia Carlos abulos paternos Paulino Banuelos y Josefa Gonzales maternos Sostenes Carlos y Rafaela Sanchez padrinos Juan Gonzales y Rosa {Acuna.} not to sure on that surname.

So with this information, where do we stand? Anita

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Hi Anita--

I apologize for the delay in my response--

I was unable to trace that Banuelos couple in my tree, but I still suspect they are connected to my family in some way-- the time and place of your family coincide with my family. By the way, I did poke around on familysearch.org for the other couple you mentioned, and it looks like you can trace your family back additional generations, especially in the Monte Escobedo area. I have completed extensive research on the Banuelos family in the Huejucar area, and while I have collected many Banuelos from the Tepetongo area, I still need to explore more. The problem is that Paulino and Josefa apparently did not have any other children that could be traced through the fmailysearch.org website, which means a thorough search of the Tepetongo and Jerez records is needed, which is time consuming.

I think we should keep in touch in case our ancestral paths cross, which I think they will.

Rosalinda

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Dear Rosalinda. Tonight I found Anecleto Vanuelos, father Paulino Vanuelos, mother Maria Josefa Gonsales, spouse Clemencia Sanchez, married 22 Sep 1832 Monte Escobedo, husband age at marriage 25. Batch no M611173, 1799-1877, Source call no 1158237. Clemencia Sanchez, father Sosteros Carlos, mother Rafela Sanchez. Does this help any? Do you have access to the Monte Escobedo films?

Re-introduction

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Hello to everyone, my name is Cecilia and I am re-introducing myself to the group. I have been a member for a little while and I thank all of you sent me information on my Olivar Family. I have been reading the discussions about the Villalobos family.

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