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Hello Josie,

Good thinking and suggestion for Mary.  Also, it goes without saying
to always be extra cautious when it comes to safety.  If your going to
travel by land over there get yourself the company of a trusted friend
or relative that knows his way around;  preferably don't drive by
night;  keep a low profile in general.

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Josiett3@s... wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> <<<<<Message: 6         
>    Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: Mary Allen <mary.allen3770@s...>
> <<<<Subject: Re: Answer to Mary Garana Allen
> 
> <<<Joseph!! I'm on a roll.  From Mexico City I am flying to 
> Guanajuato.  I found <<<<another "cousin", 72 years old, who promises 
> photos and a lot more information.
> 
> Hi Mary!   May I suggest you take a Spanish/English dictionary when you 
> travel to Mexico.  My friend Mickey Garcia and I go to Mexico quite a 
> bit and, believe me, there have been times that I wished I had carried 
> mine with me.  It can be a small, light-weight one but anything is a 
> big help when you are talking to someone and cannot get your point 
> across!  :-)  Good luck on your travels and I hope you find a wealth of 
> information!  
> Josie in San Antonio, TX
>

Esperanza,

Thanks for your feedback in this matter.  Instead of discarding or
admitting any and all possibilities of those Villarreales in the AGN
documents below from being related to me, let me briefly describe what
is the current status of my research.

The first thing to clarify is an erroneous entry in Danny's page
regarding Diego de Villarreal's place of origin.  It should say
Allende El Grande, Guanajuato, instead of Allende El Grande, Oaxaca. 
That alone, assuming there's a document (yet to be found) to base that
affirmation, changes the whole perspective of the documents you quote.

As to the several Francisco de Villarreales (actually just two) that
could be related to Diego, one of them appears in old records (1570s -
1580s) from Saltillo, Coahuila, accompaning the colonizer Francisco de
Urdiñola.  The other Francisco de Villarreal is quoted in the record
#314079 below.  He was a "contador del Tribunal de Cuentas de la
ciudad de Mexico" in the early 1600s who had to do with the inspection
of the mining operations in Zacatecas of the time.

The connection made to the Francisco from Saltillo is based on the
proximity of places, dates and historical characters common to him and
Diego de Villarreal.  I don't know yet of any primary source
manuscript that explicitly documents that relationship.  The town
chronicler of El Carmen, Nuevo León, told me that there's a chance
that their relation could also be that of brothers just as easily as 
father-son. 

The link to the other Francisco de Villarreal from Zacatecas is based
on the "mining connection", as we know that Diego eventually was
dedicated to silver mining operations in Nuevo León. And, as we
previously mentioned, he was also in Zacatecas with Martín de Zavala.

Another possible piece of the puzzle is a Juan de Villarreal, founder
of an Hacienda in the state of Tlaxcala in 1594.  The significance of
Tlaxcala is that it was from here that 400 Tlaxcaltecan families were
selected by Francisco de Urdiñola to travel with him to colonize
Saltillo.  Along with the 400 families and Mr. Urdiñola were many
other individuals, including Francisco de Villarreal.  I'm inclined to
believe that this is a more plausible migration path for the
Villarreales.  Tlaxcala, Zacatecas, Coahuila, Nuevo León.  But I'm in
no rush to conclusions for the sake of expediency.  I'd rather die
ignoring the truth than believing a lie.

There's still much to keep us busy.  Don't you think?  Good luck with

Hello Again:



I hope to go to Tlaltenango next year.....some of my ancestors are from the area.  I was in Calvillo, Aguas. last year and was able to get info from the old books.....Valle de Huejacar, as it was called then....the books were old and falling apart;  they gave me an new copy; I had gotten a copy from the microfilm FHC....



Mickey

<<<<<Message: 6         
   Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
   From: Mary Allen <mary.allen3770@...>
<<<<Subject: Re: Answer to Mary Garana Allen

<<<Joseph!! I'm on a roll.  From Mexico City I am flying to 
Guanajuato.  I found <<<<another "cousin", 72 years old, who promises 
photos and a lot more information.

Hi Mary!   May I suggest you take a Spanish/English dictionary when you 
travel to Mexico.  My friend Mickey Garcia and I go to Mexico quite a 
bit and, believe me, there have been times that I wished I had carried 
mine with me.  It can be a small, light-weight one but anything is a 
big help when you are talking to someone and cannot get your point 
across!  :-)  Good luck on your travels and I hope you find a wealth of 
information!  
Josie in San Antonio, TX

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Hi:

Just to let members know that I have just uploaded a file to Ranchos2 
AAA Genealogies. The file covers GONZALES from JALOSTOTITLAN, JALISCO.

Hello,

When I do research, i do my research in two parts. First, I search the
IGI using batch numbers, marriage searches, parent searches, etc.  In
order to Identify, who I will be looking for on the films.  Then I
enter all the information that I have found that identifies the film,
 such as town, film numbers, record type, time period,  Batch number,
and if the film is in the FHL or in the vault.  Then I enter all the
dates and names that I want from the film. 

Here is a example: (**** Attn: Linda Romero **** this is what I
recommend for you, to research)

Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
0038332	Bautismos	1820-1824		C603166	FHL
	15 Feb 1823	Maria Faustina Torre Padilla

1107895	Bautismos	1826-1831		C602542	FHL
	14 Aug 1827	Ma. Atanazia Torres

Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
0218447	Bautismos	1810-1816		C603699	FHL
	04 Dec 1814	Jose Saturnino Torre Padilla

0218448	Bautismos	1816-1821		C603701	FHL
	17 Apr 1819	Jose Franco. Torre Padilla
	21 Mar 1821	Maria Matilde Torre Padilla

0218450	Bautismos	1824-1826		J&K603703	FHL
	11 Jun 1826	Maxima de Jesus Torre Padilla

0218451	Bautismos	1827-1829		C603704	Vault
	02 Jun 1828	Maria Merced de la Torre Padilla

0218452	Bautismos	1829-1832		C027660	Vault
	21 Feb 1832	Juliana de la Torre

0218461	Bautismos	1855-1857		C603715	Vault
	19 Aug 1856	Maria Elena Romero Barajas

0218467	Bautismos	1870-1872		C603722	FHL
	07 Oct 1871	Jose Marcos Romero Torre	

0218475	Bautismos	1889-1892		I048690	FHL
	14 Aug 1890	Maria Emilia Romero

0218519	Matrimonios	1787-1817		M603728		FHL
	16 Feb 1814	Antonio de la Torre & Maria del Carmen Padilla

0218529	Matrimonios	1869-1876		M603739	FHL
	19 Oct 1870	Manuel Romero & Marcelina de la Torre

0218530	Matrimonios	1876-1881		M603741	Vault
	04 Feb 1880	Jose de la Torre & Elena Romero

0218567	Informacion Matrimonial	1870-1871	FHL HD
	19 Oct 1870	Manuel Romero & Marcelina de la Torre

0218575	Informacion Matrimonial	1879-1882	FHL
	04 Feb 1880	Jose de la Torre & Elena Romero

Then, I go and search the films, and as I find what I am looking for.
 I highlight, so that I know that I have found that record.

Thanks,
Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
<longsjourney@y...> wrote:
>
> I have started using the batch numbers to do the groundwork before 
> going to the FHC to read the actual films.  There are so many 
> entries that are smeared or too light to read that having them read 

Esperanza,

When I first got interested in genealogy and stumbled across Danny
Villarreal's web site, I remember reading that most of the people with
the Villarreal surname had the same roots.  I really found that a
little hard to believe at that time.  Now that we have been digging up
information in old books and ancient manuscripts, etc. we've come up
with many more individuals from the XVI-XVII centuries with the same
surname, which indicates the existance of several lineages, as it is
reflected in the widespread presence of Villarreales all over Mexico.

As to the origin of our oldest (documented) ancestor for the northeast
Mexico Villarreals, it is recorded that Diego de Villarreal entered
the state of Nuevo León, from Zacatecas, with then governor Martín de
Zavala, in 1626.  In spite of some information to the contrary
available on the internet, I don't know of any documented primary
source that records Diego de Villarreal parents and/or his family
origins.  We have several leads but nothing conclusive yet.

That record you found on the AGN index is worth looking into to see if
it has any biographical info that could provide another piece of this
big puzzle.  Thanks for the tip!

Saludos
Victor Villarreal

p.d. Just one more thing some of you might be interested to know: so
far in the Villarreal DNA surname project there are at least two or
three distinct genetic lineages.  We need participants from other
regions of Mexico, like western, central and southern Mexico.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, latina1955@a... wrote:
>
> Hi Victor,
>  
> I remembered our email conversation awhile ago regarding Danny
Villarreal's  
> web site.  I bet you already have this information, but I found this
in the  
> archivo general de la nacion - it appears that this family was
firmly in place  
> before the other Villarreales ventured out to Nuevo Leon. Did you ever  
> mention from what part of Mexico your Villarreal side is from?
>  
> Esperanza
>  
>  
>     313664  No. Grupo 100  Grupo Documental Reales Cédulas  Fecha 
NOVIEMBRE 
> 12 DE 1550  Volumen 1  Expediente 31 BIS  Fojas 48  Descripción  
> ALGUACILES. NOMBRAMIENTO DE TENIENTE DE ALGUACIL  MAYOR, DE ANTONIO DE  
> VILLARREAL.
>

Joseph,

The only drawback, to the Digest mode.  Is that, if someone uploads a
attachment, such as the message that Michael sent the other. 

You will not get the attachments, if you receive the digest mode.  

Jonathan


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> 
> the messages have been coming in hot and heavy as of late. I want to 
> remind everyone that changing your subscription to "DIGEST" is an
option 
> and a better option than considering unsubscribing. Even if digest
is to 
> much you can always go on "no mail" and just read the messages on
the WWW.
> 
> if you don't know how to change to Digest just email me and I'll change 
> it for you.
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: Digest means that instead of each individual message from the group 
> coming into your "INBOX" you will get one or at most two messages per 
> day with all the activity of that day. It will be a large message or 
> 'digest.'
>

                                       Leticia Leon

the messages have been coming in hot and heavy as of late. I want to
remind everyone that changing your subscription to "DIGEST" is an option
and a better option than considering unsubscribing. Even if digest is to
much you can always go on "no mail" and just read the messages on the WWW.

if you don't know how to change to Digest just email me and I'll change
it for you.

joseph

ps: Digest means that instead of each individual message from the group
coming into your "INBOX" you will get one or at most two messages per
day with all the activity of that day. It will be a large message or
'digest.'

Mary:

I'm also a collector of photos and have "classics" in
my colletion.  You may come across some "classic
photos" they may not want to part with.  Here is a
suggestion.  I don't know if there are local kinko
stores, probably have to drive to the larger towns but
make a copies for yourself.  I had one family from
CA., send me pictures and I scanned them in my
computer, made copies, then sent the originals back. 
Also it's nice to give them a photo of yourself and
family (sharing) makes the difference.  I have reached
out to so many cousins and as a matter fact just
received a photo yesterday from my prima in Los
Angeles.  

Have a safe trip and I think it's wonderful you are
visiting your relatives.  

Carol
--- Mary Allen <mary.allen3770@...> wrote:

> Joseph!! I'm on a roll.  From Mexico City I am
> flying to Guanajuato.  I found another "cousin", 72
> years old, who promises photos and a lot more
> information.  I can hardly stand the wait.  I am
> trying to get everything caught up in the office so
> that I can take off a week or so.  Will report when
> I return.   Mary
> 
> Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:
> 
> Mary Allen wrote:
> I read every e-mail emanating from Ranchos and  you 
> with relish!  It is almost as if I am sitting on the
> sidelines listening to you speak to each other. 
> Exciting.   One day I hope to have something to say.
> You are truly an inspiration to us all. How many
> older relatives have passed in the short 3 years
> that I've been on this genealogy trail. If I had the
> motivation that you have I would also have been on a
> jet plane travelling to see these relatives before
> passed. Oral history is king in my opinion. Keep
> asking away. But I see your situation and as the
> elder person in your family (not to many
> opportunities to ask for the oral history. . .yes
> thats why finding other branches is of key
> importance). its great that you are "educating"
> yourself in "family" to have some oral
> history/written history to pass on to the younger
> ones that will one day be interested. Thank you and
> please do continue to encourage us with your
> example. 
> 
> And that brings me to another point. I don't want
> the members to think that they are only here to
> "contribute" something. I would love for us to start
> thinking of ourselves as something similar to my new

Joseph,

I have already sent him an email telling him about Rosalinda's
interest in some documents from the Archivo General de la Nación.  I
will ask him next time if it is OK to have his contact information in
one of the private sections of the group.

Regarding your other question about service rates, he explained that
he usually finds out what type of document is requested before quoting
a price.  As you can understand it is not the same transcribing a XVI
century manuscript than a XVII century.  Other thing to consider is
the document's lenght.  All this applies where you know the exact
reference to the document you want, that is, the index numbers from
the AGN search engine.  If someone has just a vague idea about a
person, place or event and wants to find what information is available
that is whole different project.

And finally, in regard to Marge's question, I sent my payment by
"Dinero Express" of Banco Azteca, a service like Western Union. 
Although it is possible that there might be other ways.

Un Saludo Cordial
Victor Villarreal


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> yes lets get his name to the group so if other care to use him (well 
> Victor maybe you can ask him first). . .maybe ask if your rate would 
> also apply to other group members? thanks joseph
> 
> lareina2@i... wrote:
> 
> > Victor--
> >  
> > That's great news, since I found a couple of documents that look 
> > interesting.  I'm still searching, but could you email me his name
and 
> > what steps I need to take to pay him for his services (since I'm in 
> > California)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >  
> > Rosalinda
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "v.h.villarreal"
> > Sent: Oct 14, 2005 10:24 PM
> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Archivo General de la Nacion
> >
> > Rosalinda,
> >
> > If you or anyone else ever needs to research a document at AGN, I met
> > a gentleman (via another genealogy forum) that resides in Mexico City
> > and can provide that kind of services for a very reasonable fee.
> >
> > I recently asked him to get me a transcription of a couple of
> > documents from the 1740s and I was very satisfied with his
> > paleographic work.  He also got and sent me via email an scanned image

How did you send his payment? Marge:)



On Oct 14, 2005, at 9:24 PM, v.h.villarreal wrote: