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Kitty,
When you say that you printed the index to the 811 films.  What index
did you print?  Is it a index of the towns, or a index of the names on
the 811 films?

Thanks,
Jonathan

http://www.florenciazac.com/index.htm

joseph

Any Roman's in the Group? If so are you anywhere close to La Barca or
Colotlan?

joseph

http://www.multimap.com/index/MX20.htm

http://mx.geocities.com/genealogiademexico/menu/008biblio.html


                       BIBLIOGRAFÍA DE GENEALOGÍA POR APELLIDOS
AGRAZ
AGRAZ GARCIA DE ALVA, Gabriel
1957    Un linaje de San Agustín de Tecolotlán. Los Agraz.
            Guadalajara, Jalisco, 75 p.

ALBA
ALBA, Miguel
1981 "Una Seccion de los Alba de los Altos de Jalisco."
            Mexico, D.F.

ALCALDE
PAREDES ESPINOZA, Mario
2002    La familia Alcalde.

ALLENDE
RUBIO MAÑE, J. Ignacio
1961    “Los Allendes de San Miguel El Grande. Nota introductoria”.

México, en: Boletín del Archivo General de la Nación, tomo
II, no. 4,

            p. 517-556.

ALVARADO
PARDO, J. Joaquin

1936 "Real Cedula de 7 de mayo de 1776, sobre que se inforrna del
Entronque de los
Cuatro Hijos de Don Manuel de Alvarado y Guzman,
Descendiente del Adelantado

            Don Pedro de Alvarado".
            Boletin del Archivo General de Gobierno 2 (1936): 79-121.

AMERLINCK
AMERLINK Y ZIRION, Teodoro
1952    “Trabajo de ingreso como Académico Supernumerario...”
            (trabajo sobre sus antepasados)

México, en: Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía
y Heráldica,

            Año IV, no. 10-13, p. 85-102.

BALLI
BALLI DE CHAVANA, Hermina

The History of the Prestigious Balli Family: Story of the
First Pioneer Settlers of

            the Rio Grande Valley.

Austin, Texas: n.p. Story of Pedro Balli, Hinojosa,
Cavazos, and de la Garza.

GARCÍA, Clotilde P.
1979    Padre Jose Nicolas Balli and Padre Island.
            Corpus Christi.

BALBONTIN
CÓRDOBA BARRADAS, Luis
2003    Apuntes sobre el apellido Balbontín en México. [Ver texto]
BARBABOSA
BARBABOSA TORRES, Jorge Víctor

1990 La Familia Barbabosa, la Hacienda de Ateneo y otras más del Valle
de Toluca.
México, en: Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y
Heráldica,

We have found in the Banamichi and Arizpe Baptisimal records where 
our ancestors were Opata Indios.  Not speaking or reading Spanish, 
we didn't recognize the term Opata, until we started reading all the 
wonderful information that comes thru the Ranchos site.  All the 
years of researching Rich's ancestors in Jalisco and Zacatecas, we 
have never found the name of the Indios,  but only three generations 
back, we find that my father, born in Banamichi, Sonora, has 
ancestors clearly listed as Opata Indios.  This area of Sonora is 
very hard to research, since the University of Arizonia went in and 
filmed a lot of the church records, (called the 811 filmes), so now 
the FHL does not see the need to extract this information on their 
own films.  So you find very little extracted out there on the FHL 
website.
We were fortunate to spend a few days at the University of Arizona, 
Tuscon,  and got into the 811 films.  There are 27 rolls of films.  
Found some census and printed every page of it on their machines.  
We also printed the Index to these 811 films, if anyone needs 
information as to Film number and topic.  FHL did not want to 'buy' 
these films from the University, so we are only able to view them in 
AZ.  When we have some free time, we really need to inter-library 
loan them to our local library.
I know this site does not cover Sonora, but I realize that some 
members of Ranchos also get into Sonora,  so if anyone needs 
information about this "Index to the 811 films",  please contact us 
directly.  

Kitty Cortez
kitty@...

I have baptism, death, and marriage records for my paternal line 
which date from 1650 to 1825 in Etzatlán.  My line moved to 
Guadalajara.   Most of them were identified as Indios by the church.  
But unfortunately, the tribe is never mentioned.

Gloria

I contacted John Schmal and am thankful to him for he sent this link
(http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/states.html) which I also put in
the links area of the group. Look particularly at Jalisco2, Zacatecas2,
Aguascalientes and TLAXCALA.

happy holidays,

joseph

I honestly don't think anybody in this group is
searching for their mexican roots in the hopes of
finding out they only have "pure" european blood (if
anybody is, I'd feel sorry for them). 

What should make us proud is finding the mixture of
indian, white, etc., blood in us and to feel proud of
our traditions. We need to learn to appreciate the
struggles our ancestors have to pass through
(specially the indians) so we can be here sharing all
this in our group.

I am very proud of my mexican roots and that, to me,
means primarily indian blood. The european part of us
is inevitable, since our ancestors had to withstand
the white conquerors for some many centuries. But, I
proudly can say: Soy indio tambien! and a proud one as
well. And I intend to pass that on to my children,
since they will grow up in this great country and I
don't want them to forget where they come from and and
to lose their traditions.

Guillermo.
 
--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> alice wissing wrote:
> 
> > Joseph,
> >  
> > Would you be willing to share the results of your
> DNA test with the group?
> 
> absolutely, would be willing to, but I haven't quite
> figured out how to 
> do that. let me think on it a bit. I've forwarded
> this message to Gary 
> Felix with the question of how best I should share
> my DNA results with a 
> group of people.
> 
> > I'd like to know whether you felt it was worth the
> money and trouble.
> 
> was it worth the money and trouble, well first it
> was no trouble at all 
> unless you consider a slight scratching (no blood)
> of the inside of your 
> cheek trouble. With regards to the money well I look
> at that this way - 
> somebody had to go first so why not me. Heck a
> thousand years from now I 
> plan on being a genealogical god. . .i figure
> someone will be saying wow 
> that Joseph Puentes sure was a visionary to have
> done all that genealogy 
> and his DNA testing to boot! Right now I have some
> unique opportunities: 
> To collect Oral History before it dies out AND to
> collect DNA before I 
> lose track of it. What do I mean by that?. . .well
> for example on my 
> mom's side I have one brother of her's alive (an
> uncle) that is 
> unwilling to give me a DNA sample. He had daughters
> not sons (well I 
> heard he has sons from a previous marriage) and

Sylvia, indeed, Los Altos are tall people. I inherited
my height (6' 4") from my ancestors from Los Altos
(Jalisco Highlands). What area in Los Altos is your
family from and what surnames???

Guillermo.

--- Sylvia Robles <sylrobles@...> wrote:

> 
> I in short am on the "bad girl" list for not yet
> posting my GEDOM 
> Data as of yet. I just lost my mother in law and
> have been fighting 
> one virus after another including, healing up my
> badly sprained 
> ankle.  This is my #3 attempt to use this thing
> right! I am descended 
> from grandparents from Teocaltihe, Jalisco and
> Pinos, Zacactecas. I 
> have travelled to both towns and collected
> substantial data and books 
> from region. I have oral tradition of Judio customs
> from Zacatecas 
> side whose journey to Merida, Yucatan was from
> Egypt. The family 
> owned several cattle ranches, a hacienda in Pinos
> and meat markets 
> throughout Jalisco, Aguacalientes and Zacatecas. 
> The Los Altos, side 
> which are in fact tall, 6 to 6'4" were artisans of
> leather. 
> 
> 
> 
> 



		
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Sylvia Robles wrote:

A new state assemblyman Juan Arambula from Fresno I believe just
took office. His family via an e-mail to a friend confirms his roots
from Los Altos.

seems that within this group we have a lot of political clout. subscribe
is one Senator, you probably are related to this assemblyman, I'm
related to two other CA congress people. Maybe if we all pulled together
we could get a genealogical bill enacted "or" something.

Have you tried to make a connection with Juan Arambula? Might try
working your Arambula's forward to see what branch he comes from.

joseph