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Darn you are making me very hungry, and I'm in southern cali! smile...

Just kidding but you did make my mouth water right now..



              gloria





From: Pacorro73@...
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Menudo and nopales?
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 05:33:29 EST

Hey, Joseph, you stand invited to my house for menudo, or pozole, or a carne
asada, tostadas de cueritos, carnitas, enchiladas de camaron, costillitas de
puerco con nopales en salsa de tomatillos, tacos de sesos (o lengua, al

pastor), pepena, mole poblano con arroz y cebollas curtidas, pollo frito en
salsa
chipotle, tripitas, cocido, albondigas, or sopes, etc, con arroz y frijoles,
and

followed with a great jericalla, flan, capirotada (if it's during lent), and

served with a great agua de naranja, tamarindo, jamaica, or horchata, or a
shot

of my Tio Julio's wonderful tequila, Don Julio.  Don Julio Gonzalez Estrada,
maker of Don Julio Tequila, is my Abuelita Cruz's first-cousin.  If you're
interested I could show you his pedigree chart.

So whenever you decide to travel outside of North Carolina and visit
Southern

California, then as they say...MI CASA ES SU CASA.

Cordialmente,
Steven H.

Hello Al:

The municipio of Zacoalco de Torres is located in the southern part 
of Jalisco. The main pueblos in the municipio are Zacoalco, Santa 
Catarina, 3 Barrancas (Santa Clara, Otates, Laureles) and San Marcos 
Evangelista. Most of my family lines come from these pueblos and 
surrounding municipios.

Zacoalco is about midway between Guadalajara and Ciudad Guzman. The 
pueblos nearby Zacoalco de Torres are: Santa Ana Acatlan, Villa 
Corona, Techaluta, Atoyac, Atemajac, Amacueca, and Teocuitatlan. 
Also, Jocotepec, Ajijic and Chapala are really close.

I hope that helps you to locate Zacoalco on the map. And here's some 
history: It was on this municipio, actually on Santa Catarina, where 
my Apodaca ancestors are from, where a very important battle of the 
war of independence took place. A couple months after the Grito de 
Dolores, the insurgentes were trying to take control of a big city 
to maintain their strenght. In Jalisco, a man called Jose 
Antonio "El Amo" Torres was in charge of the insurgent army. In 
Zacoalco, he fought and defeated the Spanish forces (lots of indios 
from Zacoalco helped him), and thanks to that, he arrived to 
Guadalajara and took control of this city. Then, he offered the 
command to father Miguel Hidalgo. I'm not faking it, this is on the 
history books. The name of Jose Antonio Torres is not as known as 
Miguel Hidalgo, or Ignacio Allende, or Vicente Guerrero, but thanks 
to him and his army of indios and mestizos, the insurgentes 
controlled the second most important city in the colonia.

That's why my pueblo is now called Zacoalco de Torres, to honor this 
brave man and his army. It is really cool just to think that some of 
my ancestors and cousins probably fought with "El Amo" Torres, and 
helped Mexico to be an independent nation.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Al Duarte" <aduarte@c...> wrote:
> Good write up.
> 
> By the way, where is Zacoalco?  I know you said it is Jalisco, but 
where?
> 
> Alberto.
> 

Indeed, menudo and pozole is part of my maternal family history. 
Probably my great-grandmother Ambrosia Frias (she died before I was 
born, but my older brothers and sisters knew her and tell me that she 
was a wonderful woman, they call her Bochita), learned her cooking 
from her mother Pascuala Aguilar, but I am not so sure about it. I am 
going to Zacoalco on January and ask my grandma about it. However, 
this could go even two generations before my great-grandmother 
because Bochita, according to my grandma, used to refer a lot to a 
woman she called "Mi Jacobita". Later on my research, I found that my 
great-grandmother's grandmother,(my third great grandmother?) was 
named Jacoba Castro. 

I completely agree that we must ask our viejitos about the family 
personal history. On 2000, my great grandmother Elena Curiel died at 
age 100. I never had a close relationship with her. Today, I hit my 
head on the wall every time I think about all the stories, names, 
events, and stuff that went away to the grave along with her. I 
learned my lesson, and now I try to spend lots of time talking with 
both of my grandmothers. Also, my father knows a lot of stuff from 
his dad, and we usually spend hours talking about those stories while 
arguing about our different political views (we both love politics, 
and our beliefs are totally opposed, but still we have a great time 
talking).

And Joseph, you are always invited to eat menudo at Fonda Dona Mago 
in Zacoalco, if you ever visit this town. You invited me to join this 
group, so I guess that the least I could do. Just let me know to tell 
my parents in advance. Another member from this group visited 
Zacoalco recently and as soon as I found out I called my father so 
that he could invite him lunch and take him to some places in 
Zacoalco and Catarina.

Saludos a todos,

Steve G. Apodaca Tapia Gomez Curiel Martinez Frias de Albiano y Ursua.



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> Wow cool, I can just taste the Menudo and the history you related 
makes 
> me really think. Now your Great Grandmother had to learn her 
culinary 
> skills from someone. . .maybe her mom? Reasonable assumption 
wouldn't 
> you say. I'd just love to learn why some recipes came 
about. . .meaning 
> the social forces at work at different time periods. Maybe at 
certain 
> times there was an abundance of hominy but no pigs and some of the 

I did an Oral history on my family's geneology and
believe me, it's something to hear.  It's  very nice
to see and hear the elders of the family speak like
it's nothing.  If you do have elders still around, get
a ideocamera and a few blank tapes and set it up and
just let it run.  The nice thing about that is you can
get their knowledge and history and you can also get a
good videotape of them BEFORE they pass on and the
best part of that is they are telling the family story
to you and to whoever is watching.

Paz
--- yolanda medina-perez <windrocklili@...>
wrote:

> 
> Recently I went to the library at UTEP in El Paso
> and discovered two 
> interesting projects, one which deals with oral
> history and 
> basically dealing with their memories of life in El
> Paso and of 
> course how they lived back in the early 1930s, 40s,
> etc.  My cousins 
> grandmother was interviewed and recorded. The
> conversation was later 
> transcribed and is available to the public. The
> second discovery 
> were the files of Cleofas Calleros. During the
> 1940s, people who 
> lived in in the US and were originally from Mexico
> would go to his 
> office for documentation if they needed to go into
> the interior of 
> Mexico. In these records I found pictures of my four
> grandparents, 
> uncles,aunts,cousins and inlaws. Some of the
> documents give place of 
> birth, place, parents, spouse and their prsent
> adddress. They even 
> include a brief physical description.  WOW! what a
> find, they also 
> made copies for me. Just visit the 6th floor at UTEP
> Library but be 
> prepared with list of names and plenty of time. The
> one draw back is 
> the very sad fact that the files from A-E FILES WERE
> DESTROYED 
> before the new owners offered the collection to the
> University. 
> Thanks to UTEP I now have a little more info about
> my family and 
> some very treasured pictures, Oh and by the way they
> allow you to 
> take a digital camera in and take pictures.     
> Now my QUESTION????
> Have any of the ranchos members done any oral
> history work and if so 
> what would be a good format for genealogy/family
> purposes?  Help 
> 
> 
> 
> 


=====
Javier M. Barrios

For those of you, who are looking, for a group, that does cover a
larger geographical area of Mexico.  I would like to suggest the
Mexican FHR group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/). This is
group, that I recently started, because I wanted a Mexican Genealogy
group, like the Ranchos and Ciudad Juarez groups, but that covered a
larger area. 

When I saw, the responses to this Poll.  I e-mailed Joseph, and asked
what he thought.  And he said, to go ahead and make suggestion, of the
Mexican FHR group, to you all.

Thanks,
Jonathan Walker
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/ and www.mexicanfhr.com

Wow, what a find. I wish I was there because around 1953 or so my
Grandfather also went to El Paso to visit relatives and then went back
to Jalisco for a visit. Possibly he is in those records you mention.

but as to your question. I am no expert in oral history but before she
died a couple of months ago I was talking to my Aunt who has Jalisco
roots every other week for the last two years of her life. I badly need
to transcribe all those conversations that are on tape along with 100's
of other hours of interviews with relatives. I wish I was 20 people as I
could spend 20 life times just interviewing relatives. I think that is
the main thing you should do is gather gather gather. Get the data while
it is available. One day another generation will die along with all the
stories that only they and possibly a few others knew.

there are some good discussion groups on oral history and maybe you
might want to join this one and ask some general questions there. If you
find some good nuggets that are of general worth to us please feel free
to share them with the group. Even though I'm trying to stay on target
of our geographical area and the genealogy of that area subjects of
general use are always welcome to be discussed especially when they have
to do with a subject I consider more important than research. . .the
collecting of Oral History!

Recently I went to the library at UTEP in El Paso and discovered two 
interesting projects, one which deals with oral history and 
basically dealing with their memories of life in El Paso and of 
course how they lived back in the early 1930s, 40s, etc.  My cousins 
grandmother was interviewed and recorded. The conversation was later 
transcribed and is available to the public. The second discovery 
were the files of Cleofas Calleros. During the 1940s, people who 
lived in in the US and were originally from Mexico would go to his 
office for documentation if they needed to go into the interior of 
Mexico. In these records I found pictures of my four grandparents, 
uncles,aunts,cousins and inlaws. Some of the documents give place of 
birth, place, parents, spouse and their prsent adddress. They even 
include a brief physical description.  WOW! what a find, they also 
made copies for me. Just visit the 6th floor at UTEP Library but be 
prepared with list of names and plenty of time. The one draw back is 
the very sad fact that the files from A-E FILES WERE DESTROYED 
before the new owners offered the collection to the University. 
Thanks to UTEP I now have a little more info about my family and 
some very treasured pictures, Oh and by the way they allow you to 
take a digital camera in and take pictures.     
Now my QUESTION????
Have any of the ranchos members done any oral history work and if so 
what would be a good format for genealogy/family purposes?  Help 

Joseph, I didn't get that Ranchos2 maintenance message
and I just tried to access Ranchos2 and I was not
allowed. Can you send me the invitation again? Looks
like last time it did not work.

Guillermo. 

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> Did you get an email with the subject "Ranchos2
> Maintenance (2)"? some 
> did some didn't. We have 59 members in the Ranchos
> group But 72 members 
> of the original Ranchos group.  that means that 13
> of you all are not 
> benefitting from membership to the Ranchos2 group
> and all the 
> information in the "Files" area of that group.
> 
> So if you didn't get that "Ranchos2 Maintenance (2)"
> email you need to 
> contact me so I can send you an invitation to join
> the Ranchos 2 group.
> 
> joseph
> 



		
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Hi, Joseph. My email address is valhdez@....

Guillermo Valdez.


--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to put your email address on your file,
> but I can't seem to 
> find your email address. Can you email me privately
> with your email address.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Joseph Puentes
> Ranchos Moderator
> 
> 
> 



		
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Wow cool, I can just taste the Menudo and the history you related makes
me really think. Now your Great Grandmother had to learn her culinary
skills from someone. . .maybe her mom? Reasonable assumption wouldn't
you say. I'd just love to learn why some recipes came about. . .meaning
the social forces at work at different time periods. Maybe at certain
times there was an abundance of hominy but no pigs and some of the
different recipes started to develope. I wish we could find history
books that might trace the food from the specific areas of "our"
research. Also I'd love to read more about the diseases that plagues our
areas. . .I remember looking over the death records for Santa Maria de
Los Angeles and found a group of over 100 people in a row that died of
Cholera in the 1830's. I could only imagine the horror of living there
at that time with disease all around you. I also read about some of the
horrific earth quakes that destroyed many of the iglesias in the late
1700's. Surely times of terrible agony and sorrow over loss of life for
our families of yesteryear. Genealogy is more than just names. .
.genealogy is the history that is associated with those names and the
things that our families went through and sacrificed to give us our
heritage. Tengo Amor de mi Sangre!

joseph

ps: so who is going to invite me over for some menudo?

sgapodaca wrote:

Hello to everyone. What's going on with all this talk about menudo
and nopales? I thought this was a genealogy group, not a cooking
book................................I'm just kidding.

By the way, in Jalisco we also cook white menudo, not only the red
one. The last messages brought my attention because menudo as well as
pozole is closely related to my family history.