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Roy,

I don't know the birthday of your people but theyre on family search and it lists their parents. the baptism of their kids is online and it shows that Vicente del real's parents are Refugio del Real and Antonia Magallanes and Soledad gutierres parents are Vicente Gutierres and Jesus Mota.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GTQ5-CJ

Refugio del real and Antonia Magallanes got married on May 4th 1836 in tlatenago de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZXB-7L2

Danny C. Alonso

Good News the parents of blas were in the record of baptism of one of their children, bad news they may not be the right names.

Blas de Luna is listed as married to Teresa Gutierrez
parents are AP: Maria del Rosario and Jose Maria Panteleon de Luna
AM: Tomas Gutierrez and Luciana Estrada
in other records Maria del rosario is listed as married to Blas de Luna and Pedro de Luna, Blas records attached but not Pedros then Jose Panteleon is listed with someone else and the gutierrez were wrong. Getting all records and original Images will help you to get the right names and see if it was the priest (familysearch has to send to Mexico where they received their records and it could take forever for correction) If it is Familysearch they may change it if they understand. They told me to just create the right names with correct genders on my grandfather Rafael (Rafaela) married to bentura (listed as male). It was the priest who confused them and then their children putting

Disculpa es en el SOMOS PRIMOS de enero 2014

Como puedo leer el articulo en Somos Primos, surnames PINZON?

Danny,

Thank you. I had seen that Wikitree entry before and somehow missed that particular link. Wish I could find more about them.

Thank you Mary Lou. this is great information. Francisco Macías Valadez and Jacinta de Ortega are the parents of my ancestor Juana de ORtega that's married to my ancestor Nicolas Ponce. this helps me out a lot.

Danny C. Alonso

It didn't work for me either.

Itzcoatzin,

your links dont work for me. Im not sure if they work for other people

Danny C. Alonso

I'm sorry I don't speak Spanish but do understand enough to do research.
I have lots of Garibay from Zamora and Chilchota, Michoacan and then many of them came into Jalisco. My research is for the earlier years but when you reach that point you might want to check my files on Rootwebs.com. They came into my Mother line when an Ochoa married into her line but not directly. I did mark the ones related to my Mother and her name is Dolores Gutierrez (1924) My file is called Mexico and just go to the index and check Garibay, there are a couple of Ochoa Garibay too.
Linda Castanon-Long
Olympia Wa.

this is the link to my file but I have no parents for Mariana Quiros
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=mexico&id=I11…
Linda Castanon-Long

Hi Danny,

The padrinos were responsible for the spiritual welfare of the baptized and were meant to be responsible for educating the child in Catholic doctrine, and, I guess technically be responsible for the child, if something were to happen to the parents, therefore, the padrinos were often close relatives or family friends or those with the ability to take care of the child in the event of the parents death.
 
Regarding Thomas de Villalobos, I don't believe that is Catalina de Mendoza's grandfather. Her padrinos are Josepha Lopez de la Cruz and Thomas de Villalobos, I believe those are Catalina's aunt and uncle. Josepha Lopez de la Cruz aka Martin del Campo who was the wife of Thomas de Villalobos, who was the son of the Thomas de Villalobos that was Catalina's grandfather.

Chris

Danny, most padrinos were not the grandparents, but quite often they were.
That practice still exists today, especially if it's the first child of the
couple. It's considered very respectful and honors the grandparents.

Alicia

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 4:52 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
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> I'm lookin at my ancestor Catarina de Mendoza baptism
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> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68J3-HHZ
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> and it says her padrino was Thomas de Villalobos who is her grandfather and
> I was wondering if most padrinos are grandparents and relatives or can they
> be anyone
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> Danny C. Alonso

I foud this additional info about
Miguel Marquez de los Olivos & Angela (Lopez Ortiz?) hijo (Escobedo, Zac)
Nicolas Marquez (de los Olivos (oo Feb 8 1724, Escobedo, image 1044) & Ygnacia Escobedo de Casas (hija de Gdo? Escobedo & Ursula)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15529-36628-33?cc=1804458&wc…

I have Jesus Marquez and Josefa Marquez children of Jesus Marquez and Grandchildren to Eugenio Marquez. I have baptism record that show they are my ancestors in Family search.

Can anyone share the records for Eugenio Marquez, records in familysearch do not go that far back.

My grandfather Heron De Santiago Marquez pass away JULY 16 2015 at 6:00 am RIP Born in El Carrizal, colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico.

There seems to be no relationshiop between this Juan Márquez (de los Olivos) de Ulloa, married to Josefa Bautista de Ruvalcaba, and the Márquez de los Olivos who lived in and around Colotlán.

Juan was born in Aguascalientes and baptized on 22nd April, 1645, the son of Nicolás de Ulloa (son of Alonso de Ulloa y Toro y Juana Muñoz de Jerez) and María REuíz de Esparza (daughter of Lope Ruíz de Esparza and Francisca Gabay).

I wonder where he took the "de los Olivos" from.

You are very welcome. It was and still is truly my pleasure to share. It complements the joy of discovery.

I do not have access to my records right now. So I'm typing from memory. But I do recall some interesting info re Andres Martin, the husband of Maria de las Ruelas. The original couple. No, I don't know who their parents were, but in a later document Maria refers to her husband as Andres Martin Barriga.

In her very senior years Maria received an inheritance from a grandson. Shortly after that she was involved in a legal battle to prevent some of her children from taking over her affairs. I like Maria. She was feisty and gave those ingrates a documented tongue lashing. And that's where she mentions her husband's name. I'll provide details in about ten days.

Here's how I need help. I can scan my notes but then what? How do I make them available to Nuestros Ranchos? I'm not that savvy with the mechanics of posting. My first attempt was a disaster. I need very

Hi Paige,

I descend from both couples and they lived around the same time but, Petrona de Sotomayor that married Álvaro Marín de Peñaloza was the daughter of Juan Montañez and María Martín de Sotomayor and the Petrona de Isla y Sotomayor that married Bernardo García de León, I have as the daughter of Nicolás Martín de Sotomayor and Juana de Aguiñaga y Diaques.

This is where it gets kind of complicated. On the testament of Bernardo García de León regarding his wife it says:

yttn declaro para descargo de mi conciencia que soy casado y velado infacie ecclesie según horden de nuestra santa madre yglesia con Petrona de Isla y Sotomaior hija lexitima de Nicolas Martin Camacho y Sotomaior y de Juana de Agui?

Now, it doesn't quite look like Aguiñaga, but, it definitely starts with Agui. Now, you have to look at the names Petrona de Isla y Sotomayor uses to make the connection. On the baptism of their son Cristobal, she goes by Petrona de Islas https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1

Danny,
Thanks for the Family Search links. I have done some research in Family Search as well but I do not have all the answers. I have spent countless hours reading old Baptism and Marriage records but very seldom do I find when they died. Ancestry has recently added Civil Registration Records from late 19c to mid 20c. But before that, it has been an adventure unless it was someone of some importance.

For instance, I have not found the baptism record of Juan Jose Hernandez Hernandez nor I have found his death certificate. Same thing for Benedicta Bustos.

My post was also to find out if there are living descendants of Juan Jose Hernandez Hernandez (1814-?) and Benedicta Bustos Hernandez (1823-?). My paternal grandmother was their daughter Anastasia Hernandez Bustos (1858-1916) from Arandas.

Thanks,
rduni

Hi Danny,

Thank you for the information. Do you know if the original 1610 census document is digitized and available for us to view? Also do you know what source confirms that Catalina Rubio married to Luis Lopez Ramirez confirms that she is the sister of Ana and Maria Burgueno?

Sorry but I don't know the name of Diego Perez's wife. But I do have other Burgueno's that may be of interest.

1. Juana Burgueno aka Perez (http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Burgue%C3%B1o-1) married Hernando Medel. Veiled on 3 Jan 1618 in Lagos. Maybe another daughter of Maria Rubio?

2. Maria Burgueno married 10 Feb 1649 to Nicolas Lopez son of Alonso Lopez and Maria de Rivera 'vecinos' of Queretaro. Maria is listed as daughter of Sebastian Perez but the mother is not listed. Perhaps she is the illegitimate daughter of Sebastian Perez who was marred to Leonor Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba?

3. Maria Bugueno married Antonio de Ledesma which required a marriage dispensation of 'cuarto grado de consanguinidad' Antonio was

Yo tengo los titulos de propiedad de Pedro del Muro que colindaba con los terrenos del Cap. Miguel Marquez de los Olivos por pricipios de 1700´s. Alguien sabe si era su hijo o aun estaba vivo el Cap. MiguelMarquez de los Olivos?

El Cap. Miguel Marquez de los Olivos tenia lo que hoy se conioce como San Joseph de los Marquez entre Huejucar, Jalisco y Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas.