Can anyone suggest good histories, in Spanish or English, for this region prior to 1900? Thanks!
This book, "The haciendas of Mexico : a list of plantations and principal farms in the Republic of Mexico together with the names and post-office addresses of their owners," from about 1883, gives some information on the haciendas, but no history. The book is in English.
You can down-load a copy from archive.org at https://archive.org/details/haciendasofmexic00coch
George Fulton
Danny as promised here are some of the Alonsos
the first Ceria Alonso (LKM3-SXQ) daughter of Ricardo Alonso and Maria Mercedes Lopes
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I have been working on this line for many years, but hit a brick wall a couple of years ago with extending the family lines back further.
Hi Juanita
Alonso de Alba was married to Leonor de Retamosa. I don't have his ancestry, but she was a daughter of Alonso (aka Nicolas) Macias Valades and Leonor de Retamosa.
If you read spanish, here's more about the Alba of Encarnacion de Diaz and Aguascalientes:
http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/villa.html
You can find documentation for various family members at this wikitree link:
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Alva-53
I have nothing on Pedro nor Francisco Cervantes.
Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
Could someone help me and tell me what this says about my ancestor Lazaro
Martin Del Campo.
Hi Danny,
Below is what I was able to decipher.
Lasaro Martin del Campo = ¿? > = San Juan
En San Juan de esta jurisdicción[Jalostotitlán] en veintidós días del mes de marzo de mil seiscientos setenta y cuatro años se enterró Laçaro Martin del Campo, viudo de Maria Lopez de la Cruz, español. Recibió los santos sacramentos de confesión, viatico y extremaunción. Hizo testamento, debajo de cuya disposición murió, ante Joseph de ¿? >, teniente de alcalde mayor, de esta Santuario en San Diego ¿? > de ¿? > en diez de octubre de mil seiscientos setenta y tres años. Se mandó enterrar en el Santuario de Nuestra Senora de San Juan. A las mandas forzosas, a cuatro reales cada una. Mando ¿? > quince ducados a la cofradía del ¿? > de Jalostotitlán donde era cofrade. Misa cantada ofrendada. Cien misas rezadas. Un esclavo llamado Xtobal [Cristóbal] deja de limosna al convento y religiosos de San Diego en la villa de Aguascalientes y que no se puede vender. Y pide a los religiosos por Dios le
Austin,
Thank you so much for your help. This is great.
Danny C. Alonso
Lázaro Martín del Campo and his wife are ancestors of mine too. Has anyone
found the defunción of his wife María? I'd be interested in the link if
anyone has it.
Paige
Austin,
on the part of the death where it mentions a slave name Xtobal does that
mean the slave died too and is buried in the convent ofSan Diego or is he
giving his slave to the convent.
Danny C. Alonso
It looks to me that he gave him to the convent with the stipulation that
they could not sell him.
Raquel
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:
> Austin,
>
> on the part of the death where it mentions a slave name Xtobal does that
> mean the slave died too and is buried in the convent ofSan Diego or is he
> giving his slave to the convent.
>
> Danny C. Alonso
Thank you Raquel.
Danny C. Alonso
Hi Paige,
María López de la Cruz died 22 May 1670, her defunción is recorded 13 pages before her husband:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18450-50223-82?cc=1874591&wc…
Chris
From: Paige Herrera
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 6:00 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] defuncion de Lazaro Martin del Campo
Lázaro Martín del Campo and his wife are ancestors of mine too. Has anyone
found the defunción of his wife María? I'd be interested in the link if
anyone has it.
Paige
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Does anyone in this group known anything of Loma Larga in Jalisco? It is near Ocotlan. It has shown up on some of the baptismal/birth records in one of my lines.
Hi Cindy.
I found the following about "Loma Larga":
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/loma-larga-9/
Best regards
Hola Cindi, mi abuelo nació en Loma larga su apellido era Ybarra nació en 1893 se llamaba
Pablo Nabor Gutiérrez Ybarra
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> On Oct 27, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Cindy F wrote:
>
> Does anyone in this group known anything of Loma Larga in Jalisco? It is near Ocotlan. It has shown up on some of the baptismal/birth records in one of my lines. I've googled it but am finding very little online about the place, so I'm hoping someone here might know more about the place or point out where I might be able to learn more. To be more specific, I'm interested in learning about the history of the place not the current situation there.
> Also, during my internet surfing I ran across someone selling some historical photos of Aguascalientes. I'm sharing the link in case anyone here would be interested. As far as I can tell this is still an active offer that was posted in June (but keep in mind that my spanish is limited):http://area1.doplim.com.mx/vendo-coleccion-de-tarjetas-postales
Has anyone researched the coding notation on a Texas Manifest written years later on the same manifest? I'm curious as to what this means ( see bottom writing on attachment).
Hi all, on the occasion of Dia De Los Muertos, the upcoming Mexican holiday, Ancestry.com is offering free access to Mexican Records until November 2, 2015. The URL is http://www.ancestry.com.mx.
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
Macias Valades.
También dice que se le dio sepultura en la parroquia más abajo del altar de san Lorenzo
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> On Oct 15, 2015, at 12:58 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:
>
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
> Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…
>
> Danny C. Alonso
Al lado dice que no recibió los sacramentos ni testo porque su muerte fue de repente
Dice que fue marido de Luisa Villegas
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> On Oct 15, 2015, at 12:58 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:
>
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
> Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…
>
> Danny C. Alonso
Dice en la villa de Aguascalientes22 septiembre de 1649 años falleció repentinamente P Macías Valadez marido de Luisa de Villegas , no recibió los sacramentos porque se cayo muerto no testo, diosele sepultura en esta parroquia un poco más abajo de San Lorenzo diosele misa de cuerpo presente
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> On Oct 15, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Martha Gomez wrote:
>
> También dice que se le dio sepultura en la parroquia más abajo del altar de san Lorenzo
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 15, 2015, at 12:58 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:
>>
>> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>>
>> Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
>> Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual
>>
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…
>>
>> Danny C. Alonso
Thank you Martha and Juan and RJQ for all your help. RJQ, who is your
Macias from Nochistlan? I'd be interested to see if he connects to my
Maciases.
Danny C. Alonso
This person's name was Clara Masias who merried Nicolas Lozano (I suspect he is from the Lozano related to the Sandobal) but I couldn't go beyond this couple, specially when I have to put more weight on other lines, I remember seen Masias and Lozano in Aguascalientes but never manage to have further links on them. This couple had kids in the 1710-20's in Nochistlán, I guess this Clara Masias could been born in 1700 more or less. I think she could have other name than Clara, but the only three records I found only mention her with this one.
I too have this couple in Nochistlan. My connection is their son Nicolas married to Josepha Quirarte in Nochistlan on 02 of Oct. 1743. Aka as Clara Maria Macias Valades, she died on the 18th of June 1724 in Nochistlan image # 239. This happened a year later after the birth of her third son Antonio born on the 31st of March 1723 in Nochistlan Zac.
Thank you Saul for this piece of information, except for a few years, I haven't had a chance to see the burial records of Nochistlán.
Then if Nicolas was also their son that makes a least four children, right?. I always suspected that the Lozano (three of them) that married with the Quiralte where related if not siblings, this confirms me that a least Nicolas and Joseph Laureano where brothers, the third would be María Lozano married with Victorio Caietano Q.
And Clara is after all from the Macias Valades. I, by the way, descend from Joseph L. Lozano and Estefana Lorenza Q. siblings in each side of your ancestors Nicolas and Josepha.
RJQ I also have Estefana Lorenza's parents(Joseph Quirarte and Leonor de Robles) in another family line. As per marriage doc for Joseph Losano and Maria Lorenza Quirarte dated 05 May 1735 in Nochistlan image # 429. I have to check my notes on the Quirartes to see what other information I have on Joseph and Leonor. I will get back to you.
Thank you Saul, I do have information on them, since Quirarte is my paternal surname I did research just a bit more on that side, you can see my notes here, I haven't updated for more than a year but other than finding that Joseph Quiralte had a sister living in Nochistlán, that is pretty much all I have so far. There I also have Ma. Josepha and Nicolas kids and Josepha's second marriage/family.
Thanks RJQ for the information found in the link you provided. I descend also from Joseph Thadeo Quirarte and Juana Maria Leonel de Cervantes. With the marriage of their daughter Maria Magdalena Quirarte to Joseph Pablo Perez Sotelo on the 22nd of June 1750 in Nochistlan image # 367.
Here is the link. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15185-42637-21?cc=1804458&wc…
That is interesting, there are many re-connections on these families, I do remember that marriage, the information for it is rather "descriptive", I always though that Ma. Magdalena "push" Joseph Pablo to marry her sooner and ahead of her sister's marriage, all while her parents weren't home it seems.
Here is an I.M. for the marriage of Bernardo Xavier Quirarte with Magdalena Servantes in Nochistlan. Film # 226759 image # 395 here is the link
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-20771-72?cc=1804458&wc…
Do you need the entierro date for Leonor de Robles?
Thanks for link, I definitely would like to see Leonor's Entierro if you don't mind, she is still for the most part unknown to me.
A couple of years ago I was placing together a tree in FamilySearch but decided (after many incorrect information been placed by others) to live it along, I go there once in a while and try to correct some data, in any case, I think it still has most of the attachements I originally placed with the individuals, you can see them starting with Joseph Quiralte, by now you probably have more information, but just in case you may find something else, I just did through (and incompletely) Joseph's grand kids, exept for my line that goes to my grandparents.
RJQ I have an index of the entierros on legal pads for most of the people buried in Nochistlan. Here are some of the ones that are related to you and I.
Leonor de Robles dated 20th Feb. 1762 image # 421 link below
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-44562-7?cc=1804458&wc=…
Marcos Leonel Servantes 30th Dec.1761 image # 419 husband to Maria Josepha Quirarte.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-44479-27?cc=1804458&wc…
Maria Losano wife to Cayetano Quirarte dated 16th Jan. 1761 image # 413
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-44933-2?cc=1804458&wc=…
Lorenza Quirarte wife to Laureano Losano dated 15th Apr. 1764 image # 484.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-44804-2?cc=1804458&wc=…
Cayetano Quirarte husband to Maria Losano dated 05 Aug. 1766 image # 525
Thank you Saul, that is a lot of information there, nice work on the Defunciones. I see that Leonor outlived her husband for about twenty years, and this families seems to have some wealth too, very interesting.
Also, are your ancestors by any chance related to the Rodriguez de Santa Ana? those are my direct ancestors by paternal line (at one point one them change his last name for Quiralte), But I haven't found much about them, they seem to be close or related to the Losano though, but I haven't make a definitive link. If is not too much to ask (I am already in debt for all this links you shared) would you tell me if you have seen Entierros of any people with the Rdgz de Sta. Ana last name? Once again thank you.
RJQ here are two entierros on the same image # 622.
Antonia Rodriguez married to Jph Quirarte dated 14 Feb. 1770
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-43360-81?cc=1804458&wc…
Juan Rodriguez de Santa Ana married to Nicolasa de Aguaio dated 21 Feb. 1770
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15191-43360-81?cc=1804458&wc…
I will check for more and will send them as i find them.
Thank you Saul, I appreciate your help.
Danny,
Unfortunately he did not receive the sacraments because he suddenly died.
Regards,
Juan
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
> Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual
>
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…
>
> Danny C. Alonso
It says that he (Pedro) died suddenly, and thus he did not received the sacraments neither he made a testament:
...fallecio repentinamente Po. Masias Balades español marido de Luissa de Villegas española, no recivio los Tos. Sacramentos, Porque secaio muerto (fell dead), No testo, diosele sepultura en esta Parrochial, Poco mas abaxo del altar de S. Lorenço. disele missa de cuerpo presste. y pa que conste...
By the way I have an ancestor with the Masias name in Nochistlán from the beggining of the 1700, but I end up with a dead end there, I wonder if they come from Aguascalientes.
Simona,
Juana and Francisco's last name is López de la Rea and Ana's last name is
de Celis. You can see them here
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/D%C3%ADaz_de_la_Huerta-5
Danny C. Alonso
Thanks danny I did see that but it didn't. Look like Celia and I have her married to another person named Carrion. Maybe 2nd marriage with Carrion will double check. Thanks again.
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From: Danny Alonso
Date: 10/27/2015 5:20 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dias de la Huerta
Simona,
Juana and Francisco's last name is López de la Rea and Ana's last name is
de Celis. You can see them here
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/D%C3%ADaz_de_la_Huerta-5
Danny C. Alonso
Hi Simona,
I descend from the Ana de Celis married to Diego de Carrion and I don't think the two Ana de Celis' are the same. They're both from Sierra de Pinos, but on the IM, your Ana de Celis is listed as the daughter of Maria de Celis. The other Ana de Celis is listed as an hija de iglesia.
Christopher de Cuellar
Hi,
I know that great-grandfather/mother is bisabuelo/a in Spanish, but what is the proper way for saying, for example, 3rd great-grandfather? Or third time great-grandfather?
I have always used the following format:
Abuelo
Bisuabuelo
Tatarabuelo
4o abuelo
5o abuelo
6o abuelo
and so on.
The reason being is that if the father of the tatarabuelo is the 4o abuelo all of the preceding abuelos should be in the same order. It also makes it easy since you just count back with your grandfather with him being the first.
The following pages also have the father of the tatarabuelo as the cuarto abuelo. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Nomenclatura_de_parentesco_en_espa%… and https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/es/images/d/d7/Cuadro_de_Parentesco…
The following page has something similar http://www.genealogia-es.com/guia3.html#z10
I am used to the "place in line" denomination "segundo, tercer, cuarto, etc" but I am not sure what is (if existent) the rules beyond the great-great-grandfather (tatarabuelo), I know some would mention "Trastarabuelo" but I've never seen it in documents. Personally I refer to my Tatarabuelo's father as "Segundo Tatarabuelo", and keep going from there.
Hi Cindy:
First come your padre than follow abuelo, bisabuelo, tratará-abuelo, tratará-tratara-abuelo and than add a tratara after each generation.
I came across this site. Information is based on several books published about the encomenderos y conquistadores. Anyone use this site? Thanks!
I can only make out the names of Francisco Dias de Huerta y Juana Lopez de ???
father Sebastian Dias de Huerta is married to Ana ????
Encounter informacion sober Melchor Perez de la Torre ,padre de Catalina Mejia de la Torre casada con mi ancestro directo Pedro de Ledezma, Melchor Perez de la Torre ,hijo de Don Diego Perez de la To
I am researching Maria de los Angeles Carvajal. Just saw her name last night, from the new records at Ancestry.Com
b ~1800-1811
d. April 3, 1873 at Hacienda Mirador, Valparaiso, Zacatecas
I have hit a brick wall for several months. I'm trying to find information about my 6th great grandfather Juan Antonio Gallegos (born abt 1690 - 1700) and his wife Antonia De Ribas.
On familysearch.org you can find this juan Antonio married to Rivas 3 of the children were born in san felipe and 1 (questionable child) was born in san luis potosi.
There are others names juan Antonio (9NS1-S7P BORN 1695), K862-39S born 1703 and M9CJ-P5X born in 1697.
my relatives are Juan Gallegos de Cabrera MGM2-N78 born 1659 married to Petra Marmolejo. they have a son named Antonio but he is married to a rodriguez
There is this document reference number: CONTRATACION,5360,N.81
made mistake in the reference number. The correct one is:
CONTRATACION,459,N.2,R.2
It is the year 1606 Pasajero de Indias documdent for "Joan De Angon" on the very top of first page there is a line which has the name of the ship he traveled on which says:
I asked for help from a historian of Zacatecas and he thinks it reads "La Noa Margarita" which would be the "Santa Margarita" which sank in 1622 along with the Atocha.
I was trying to read the whole document again to see if it makes any more references as to the name of the Noa or galeon on other pages and when I to got to image 20, I ran across an interesting wording where a historian told me it reads "de Moros Judios"
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2nqwtv5.jpg
On Image 31 it says something about "Testigos" A historian of Zacatecas told me that:
"Moros judios. Cuando venian de España tenian que llevar testigos para confirmar que que eran cristianos viejos, etc. Por lo regular llevaban 3 testigos"
Maria was to marry Jose Serapia Escalante vuido de Juana Juliana Monsebais but she passed before the six month penance was given for primer grado.
The marriage dispensation is listed on Claudia's "Guadalajara Dispensas" website (http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/). And the link for the dispensa is at:
"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18424-14807-0?cc=1874591 : accessed 19 October 2015), Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > Matrimonios 1799, parte 1 > image 60 of 845; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).
On image 62 the groom testified "...esta ligado con su pretensa con el vinculo del parentesco por afinidad de copula ilicita en primer grado por haberse mezclado con Maria Gertrudis Delgado, ya difunta, hermana de su dicha pretensa..." He then goes on to state that he also had relations with Marcela Delgado. So the impediment of primer grado was for the illicit relationship between Serapio and Maria Gertrudis, Maria Marcela's sister. Maria Marcela's penance was probably for her illicit
Thank you to everyone for your help. I went over the image again and it had that the information of the primer grado was stated on 10th of September of the present year 1799 in the IM. I looked for it but was not successful as the IM's are not in order actually they are in reverse order and then mixed up, but 10th of September was not in it. So thanks again to everyone!!!
I read most of the Dispensa and if anyone has interest in the 14 pages, it is attached to Maria Marcela (LKTZ-9XL).
Thanks again.
Dear Austin,
Congratulations on a Good job clearing up how they were " Primer grado".
Thanks,
R A Ricci
The relationship may have been with a brother of the groom or a brother of the groom's previous wife.
You are correct,, primer grado in this situation could be the brother of the groom or brother of the previous wife. but I think this is a only a small possibility since no one is named. In similar cases that I have seen, all parties that are involved are named. Sometimes they even state how long the affair is supposed to have been.
It does't say with whom, but since it is a primer grado, my guess is that they were having an illicit relationship with each other and then decided to get married.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro
Primer grado would mean that the future spouses were not having relations with each other as there were not any dispensations that I know of for primer grado. Primer grado means siblings or father / daughter. For primer grado we are talking incest. Segundo grado are first cousins. If the person she was having sexual intercourse with is not named, then I would assume that it was a brother and not her father. Further research may clarify which family member was involved with her. Next, I would investigate if her brothers needed any dispensations when they married. Since it was 6 months penance, they assume that it was consensual and not rape?
I have seen dispensations for "primer con segundo grado" where an uncle is married to his niece. This was allowed with a dispensation.
R A Ricci
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
I didn't realize that the attachment could only be seen when signed in, here is a link to the image if anyone is able to help
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/system/files/Will%20of%20Beatriz%20de%20…
Danny C. Alonso
Danny,
Here is how I read the highlighted passage...
Itten. declaro para el descargo de mi conciencia ser deudora de quinientos noventa y cuatro pesos a mi hijo José Martin de Sotomayor que suplió y pago por mí y por dicho difunto mi esposo en este modo cuatro cientos y veinticinco pesos que pago al alférez real don Juan Fernández de Palos, vecino de esta villa
Hasta pronto
Austin Perez
I started my search for mayorgas with no success back a few years ago. In truth I had nothing but the husband's name. A great uncle Francisco Lopez Contreras (1855) son of Dorotheo Lopez Escareno con Guadalupe Contreras Delgado married a mayorga and somewhere the name Ursua appears don't know if he married twice. I don't know if they are any relation to your mayorgas a few hundred years forward. I should mention that about this time the Alonsos began to appear in my maternal line with a few interesting stories.
Thank you Austin for helping me, i really appreciate it. I wonder if 594
pesos was a lot back then.
Danny C. Alonso
Simona,
I'd be interersted in your Alonsos, I have hundreds of Alonsos I might be
able to help connect your Alonsos and my Alonsos.
Danny C. Alonso
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:37 AM, wrote:
> I started my search for mayorgas with no success back a few years ago. In
> truth I had nothing but the husband's name. A great uncle Francisco Lopez
> Contreras (1855) son of Dorotheo Lopez Escareno con Guadalupe Contreras
> Delgado married a mayorga and somewhere the name Ursua appears don't know
> if
> he married twice. I don't know if they are any relation to your mayorgas a
> few hundred years forward. I should mention that about this time the
> Alonsos
> began to appear in my maternal line with a few interesting stories.
>
I'm looking for the baptism of an illegitimate child that was probably
baptized in Cuquio around 1785 -1790.
Arturo,
There are a few options for "bautisomos de hijos naturales" in Cuquio:
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…
Check out this link and see if the two options you have are in the time
ranges you are investigating.
Saludos,
Juan Aguayo
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Arturo Gonzalez wrote:
> I'm looking for the baptism of an illegitimate child that was probably
> baptized in Cuquio around 1785 -1790. His name was Atanacio, son of
> Felipa, and the last name might have not been given, or if given, it
> was probably Peres, Rivera, Velasquez, or Gonzalez. Atanacio might
> have been listed as Indio or mestizo.
>
>
> It seems that the only available films are are for legitimate children
> (e.g., "Bautismos 1772-1788" & "Bautismos 1789-1796").
>
> Does anyone know illegitimate births were included in other Cuquio
> church books, or perhaps went to another town
There is no surname for Felipa? Have you found other records for Atanacio?
In Bautismos, 1772-1788, Image# 602 of 700, year
1785, not your Atanacio, but there
is a baptism record for a child listed with padre no conocido. You may possibly find your Atanacio in these records.
Gloria
Gloria,
I know that Atanacio's father was Gervacio Gonzalez, probably "español" and from the Cuquio parish jurisdiction (Buenavista or Ixtlahuacan del Rio).
Atanacio's first marriage was in ~1808 and he gives his name as "Ribera" son of Felipa Rivera (the word "legitimate" is crossed out). Subsequently he lists his last name as "Gonzalez" in his children's baptisms and in his second marriage. Gervacio Gonzalez is his father. Atanacio's birth year is ~1791.
His mother Felipa married in ~1791 to Agustin Sanchez and she gives her last name as "Peres" in the Cuqio marriage (which is her mother's last name, but doesn't list a father). She also gives a second first name, "Timotea" and originally is from near Aguascalientes. Later baptisms list her father as Antonio Velasquez. She mostly uses Rivera, however. She's always identified as "India."
I have not found Atanacio's father, Gervacio Gonzalez, in the Cuquio records. I have found the marriage record for someone with this name but
I had time to go through some of the Cuquio baptism records and I came across quite a few records with the entry "padre no conocido" meaning father unknown. This means that both legitimate and illegitimate children are in the same register.
Gloria
I am trying to go further on my Chavez family. I hope any of these names sound familiar to someone out there.
Haciendas of Mexico