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Sr Valle

Eso que nos anuncia me parece una muy buena noticia!

Mil gracias por compartir

JCGRG

Claudia:

Thank you so much for brining this to light at least to the group. I had heard of the book but never found it worth purchasing or studying. I could have not guessed what was contained in the book. The Anda Altamirano family and some important facts are in there.

We’ll have to study it a bit further and now you have sparked something in me to continue searching this line. Where did you find reference to Isabel Gutiérrez Altamirano married to Pedro de Anda? Couple years ago I had found something about a Isabel Altamirano Castilla married to a Pedro de Anda but could not figure out if it was the same Pedro de Anda. I was also rejected for proposing such a “theory.” I have searched my records and cannot find that record I had found years ago, eventually I had thought of “saving and storing it away for later use” but now I can’t find it.

I have tried connecting the Anda Altamirano to that of Hernando Gutiérrez Altamirano and Francisca Osorio de Castilla. You mentioning this

Hi Robert:

Your e-mail to Ed caught my eye because my mother was "Cerros" from
Minillas de Jerez, Zacatecas. I have contacted the officials in Jerez and
was told that there is no such place named Minillas de Jerez, that there
were a few places called Minillas, but were abandoned as the minerals in the
area were mined out.

Her father, Preciliano Cerros was married to Apolonia Gonzalez, probably in
the early 1900's, since my mother was born in 1906. He was born in Panuco
Zacatecas, where the Cerros held mining interests. I believe they came from
a place called "Lanestosa" in Northern Spain, just sout-east of Santander.
My Grandfather Preciliano worked in the mines and could have been a native
Zacatecan and taken the "Cerros" name from the mine owners. I have only
been able to trace his ancestry back 3 generations.

I had my MtDNA analyzed and it came back as "A2 Native American" I found
two other people who matched my mother's DNA in Coalcoman, Michoacan, they
are

Estimado don José Carlos:

Me da gusto que ya ingresó al foro. He trabajado diligentamente en su línea. Tengo un proyecto para escribir una monografía sobre los Rincón Gallardo. Tengo una línea de ascendencia de los Rincón Gallardo vía mi madre.

Luego te envío algunos datos que por seguro le interesará.

Seguimos en comunicación y saludos como siempre,

Daniel Méndez Camino

Jorge

I looked at a map of the Zacatecas/Guadalupe/Trancoso area. Guadalupe is very close to the city of Zacatecas. There are records of several parishes in the city of Zacatecas, in the FHL the Sagrario parish has the oldest records, and the records for the town you are interested in may be with these, especially if the church in Guadalupe was a chapel associated with the main church in the city.

The records for Sagrario are online at Family Search in the city of Zacatecas.

The records for the chapels, if there are any, are sometimes in separate volumes, sometimes in the books for the main church; they could be interspersed with the other records, or may be grouped at the end of each month.

All you can do is look, and hope for the best.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Lisa,

Good news, I knew that I'd read something somewhere about the surname Tachiquin
and today I had time to look into it and found the following.

In the book Nochistlan de Zacatecas by Evelia Clotilde Quirarte there's a
section that tells of a few indian surnames.

The surname Tachiquin corresponds to families that originated in the Barrio of
San Sebastian of Nochistlan. The Tachiquin surname is believed to have
originally been tlachiunqui that was then converted to tlachinqui. The letter t
before the letter L is characteristic of the language of the cazcan nation
indigenous to the area of Nochistlan and the surrounding areas. She states that
the etimology of the word tlachiuanite means to cast a spell. (espanol),(
hechizar, aojar, el encantador, el que hechiza)

She believed that the original Tachiquin may have been an important healer or
medicine man or man of influence in the Caxcan community.

In 1913, a person with the name of Tachiquin was honored for giving his

Lisa,

As you may know, surnames were not used by the native American people. Having
said that, the surname of Tachiquin is indigenous to the area of Nochistlan and
is the only known indian surname that survived and was not converted to spanish
or the castillian language.

Aside from this, I don't know anything else about this surname other than it was
and is an original indian surname. Would your grandfather by chance be from
Tenayuca or Toyahua in the municipality of Nochistlan?

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: "lisacruz_1967@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 5:56:49 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help with a Surname

Can any one tell me about the Name Tachiquin. My Great Grandfather's name is
Pedro Tachiquin, we do not know anything about him except that he was indio, and
from Nochistlan. I would like to know about the people in that area if any one
can help me I sure would appreciate it. Many

Where are they located? I've tried several times to access the forum topic and get nada, zero, zilch. Help!!!! Memarge:)

Raquel

I had asked this same question some time ago. Like you I had originally thought that this mark was for a person who had died at some point. If the child had died a birth (or was stillborn), he or she would not have been baptized, as only a living person could have been baptized.

Bill Figueroa provided the following reply to my query:

The cross or plus sign in early records of Aguascalientes is merely a check
mark to indicate whether the person was "español" and not of mixed race.
The explanation is noted in one of the first record books, I don't remember
which one. The cross was used for several years, until the priest or his
assistant started noting the race or caste as "espl." "indio" "mestizo"
"negro" "mulato" etc. In some baptismal records the priest wrote "que dicen
ser español", probably because the color of the child's skin indicated
otherwise, but in general the priest knew his parishioners and probably
their racial background. I have no doubt that some errors were

Primo si no te urgen yo voy al AGN en mayo, podría solicitar el documento que me dices, dime si quieres fotocopia o fotografía, se tardan un poco, tendría que regresar por ellas y te las mando escaneadas por e mail o a través de paquetería, como tu me digas.

Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez

> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:10:28 -0600
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ayuda para obtener un documento del AGN.
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> Hola compañeros de Nuestros Ranchos, tengo tiempo queriendo conseguir un testamento que se encuentra el el Archivo General de la Nación, pero lamentablemente yo no puedo ir a la Ciudad de México para obtener dicho documento.
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> Hay alguna manera de que alguien en este grupo me hiciera el favor de conseguirme dicho documento y yo le pagaría los gastos que se generen para hacerme el favor.
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> El documento que necesito está de acuerdo a la página del AGN en la siguiente manera:
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Hola ,

Primero voy a comenzar con el obvio , ya intentaste con el www.familysearch.org ? Es que yo conozco gente que mandaron dinero al AGN y aveces dicen que les llego el dinero y aveces no .

En el nuevo family search se puede ver los documentos actual y se pueden imprimir . No es necesario ser un miembro de la iglesia para ver los actas . Si no se encuentra entonces sigues con tu intento con el AGN .

Welester

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> Hola compañeros de Nuestros Ranchos, tengo tiempo queriendo conseguir un testamento que se encuentra el el Archivo General de la Nación, pero lamentablemente yo no puedo ir a la Ciudad de México para obtener dicho documento.
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> Hay alguna manera de que alguien en este grupo me hiciera el favor de conseguirme dicho documento y yo le pagaría los gastos que se generen para hacerme el favor.
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> El documento que necesito está de acuerdo a la página del AGN en la siguiente manera:
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> Archivo General de la Nación/ Instituciones Coloniales/

Esther ----I get the message below when I tried the link for new.familysearch and was asked to enter my account. I am not an LDS member, but I once tried to download their program to help them index, etc, but my computer could not handle the program.

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I also got a message that said that my current screen resolution is not supported by the new Family Search, that a minimum resolution of 1024 X 768 pixels is recommended. I have no idea what they are talking about.

I hate the new Family Search. I still rely on the Beta format they have

Raquel,
Go to: https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=19…

Jaime Alvarado

I agree, its Rio Hipalco (Ipalco). Here is a link to a map of vicinity of Nochistlan with names of rivers (http://www.mexico-cities.info/Nochistlan,Zacatecas).

Jaime Alvarado

Maria,

It says Rio de Hipalco but in other records and on maps i've seen it spelled as
Ypalco and Ipalco. Hipalco is actually some distance from Nochistlan and you can
find it on some maps to this date.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: mcortez
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 6:43:49 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need a second opinion on handwriting. Necesito
segunda opinión con la letra.

I'm trying to decipher the name of the place where the child was born on an
image I found on familysearch. Please take a look at the first entry at
the top of Image 87 on FamilySearch, Zacatecas, Nochistlán, Bautismos de
hijos legítimos 1730-1750. Thanks in advance.

Me pueden ayudar con el nombre del lugar de nacimiento que dice la primer
entrada en la pagina 87 en FamilySearch, Zacatecas, Nochistlán, Bautismos de
hijos legítimos 1730-1750. Gracias de antemano.

Maria Cortez
Sacramento, CA

Maria

The place looks like Rio de Hicpales to me. I looked on mapquest and google maps to see if I could find a place with this name; no luck. I also tried a google search ... no luck.

I also looked at a greatly expanded map of the Mexticacan area of Zacatecas (on mapquest), and did not find either a town with this name, or a river with this name.

I also looked at a few records before and after this one, but did not see it again.

Could this have been a small rancho or hacienda that no longer exists?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

En el padron de Jalos de 1670, aparece Manuel Gomez casado con Francisca Gutierrez. Este Manuel debe de ser hijo de Manuel Gomez de Mendoza y Maria de Valdivia.

Sergio Gutierrez

Bill, gracias por toda la información sobre los León.

Armando

Ahora que sale a tema la familia Ornelas, quisiera saber si alguien de ustedes tiene conocimiento de la existencia de una mujer llamada Bernardina de Ornelas, mujer de Juan de León, vecinos de Teocaltiche aprox. en 1710. Desciendo de dicha pareja por su hijo Felipe de León casado en 1731 con Juana de Ledezma.

El único registro que encuentro sobre ellos es el bautismo de una hija de Juan y Bernardina en Teocaltiche en 1712 llamada María Quiteria de León. Si alguien tiene mas datos sobre esta familia se lo agradeceré muchísimo.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez