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Hi All,

Legally, Mexican codes define and accept three kinds of relationships: 
consanguinity (related by blood) 
affinity (acquired by marriage) 
civil (by adoption) 

I found a good link that explains this.  Please see it below: 
http://www.dropby.com/indexLF.html?content=/Genealogia/parentesco.html 

On the real world, however, Guillermo is right.  Any kid from one of your cousins is your nephew/niece and he can call you tío/tía.

Victor 

Hi Joseph,

Not genealogical societies in the strict sense, but I understand that most of the cronistas locales or "town chroniclers" have an national association of their own that includes all of México.

Last summer I made a trip with a brother to Totatiche and Villa Guerrero, Jalisco, and we met Don Esteban Valdez, the chronicler of Totatiche.  He has a very good Valdez genealogy book and I understand he's currently working on a new book that will include other local surnames.  He also mentioned something about this chronicler association, in fact he said that one of her sisters was also a chronicler but in a nearby town, not sure if he said Colotlán.

Anyway, I'm going to try to write Don Esteban a few lines and ask him if he knows about genealogical societies in Jalisco and nearby states.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone aware of Genealogy and/or Social Societies in Mexico? In 
> particular for the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and 
> Chihuahua?
> 
...

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I don't have an exact answer to your question, but I think the reason 
is that familysearch.com is sometimes incomplete.

This has happened to be on serveral occassions where I have a record 
but it doesn't list a source batch no. or film no.  But then I look 
at it a couple of months later and it has a source.  Or it has a 
source and I print it out and then a couple of months later I look at 
it again and it is slightly different.  So I print that version out 
too.

Also, sometimes there is a differences between IGI and VRI.  That 
same record looks slighty different in VRI.  Here it is:

Maria Maccedonia <MARQUES ESCOVEDO>    
  Sex: F

Event(s):     
 Christening: 08 Aug 1787  Place: Tepechitlan, Zacatecas, Mexico 

Parents:     
  Father: Josef Romualdo MARQUES 
  Mother: Juana Maria ESCOVEDO 

Source Information:     
  Batch Number: C606165 
  Source Dates: 1783 - 1802 
  Film or Fiche Number: 444026 
  Collection Details: Catolica 

Good Luck,
Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> I need some insight. This record came up and I don't know what to 
make 
> of it. Usually there is a film number associated with the film but 
only 
> a batch number appears. If I go to Tepechitlan I can see that the 
film 
> that should be associated with this date should be:
> 
> Bautismos 1783-1811 FHL INTL Film    444026
> 
> would anyone have any insight as to why this number didn't appear 
with 
> the following record unless maybe it shouldn't be associated with 
it?:
>
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph

					
http://www.nps.gov/tuma/M2000.html

Guillermo,

Take a look at one of these charts to see what "cousin once removed 
means"?

http://www.rootsweb.com/~genepool/cousins.htm
http://www.heirsearch.com/table.htm
http://stellar-one.com/genealogy/cousins.htm

The charts all basically show the same thing...

Angie

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Guillermo Valdez <valhdez@y...> wrote:
> Being born and raised in Mexico I can tell you what I
> know. I hope it is simple to understand. Any cousin of
> your parents, regardless of the level (1st, 2nd, etc)
> represents yout tio or tia (uncle or aunt). There is
> no limit as far as I know. 
> 
> Also, can anybody now explain to a mexican person what
> a "cousin once removed means"?
> 
> Guillermo.
>

        In a recent conversation, an adult relative of my husband (the son
of my husband's cousin brother -- his first cousin, once removed in English)
informed me that my husband was his tío.  I wasn't about to argue, but I
don't think he is correct.  However, I do not know the terminology for
Spanish genealogical relationships.

        Is there a publication that has it all laid out?  If it has already
been discussed and is in the archives, I apologize for the query, and I'll
look it up.

        In English, each succeeding generation is a new level of cousin -- 
as long as both lines are represented, yours and your relative's.  If you
reach the end of one line, the level of kinship (cousinship) stays the
same,
but the generation moves until the end of the other line is reached.  (I
know -- that was a horrible explantion.)

Common Ancestor
Siblings
1st cousins
2nd cousins
3rd cousins
________________________
3rd cousin once removed (one generation removed)
3C 2R
3C3R, etc.


Thanks for your help.

~Deena Ortiz~

I just submitted my privatized .gedcom to the www.familysearch.org
site as a Pedigree Resource File submission. Has anyone on the list
done this before? So how does this work? Does every single name in the
.gedcom get put in so that the search engine will pull it up by surname?

just as an example here is some of their listings:

6. Angela Castreje Diaz - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: Argentina
7. Ana Jova Diaz - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 17 Sep 1923 Bustinza, Pcia.Santa Fe,
Argentina
8. Antonia DÍAZ - Pedigree Resource File
Gender: F Birth/Christening: Argentina

how is it that the brief info following the name comes into the search
engine results? Is it that the search engine picks out the exact
wording in the .gedcom including the place of birth and puts it into
the
results? . . .as in the above example?

thanks,

joseph

Being born and raised in Mexico I can tell you what I
know. I hope it is simple to understand. Any cousin of
your parents, regardless of the level (1st, 2nd, etc)
represents yout tio or tia (uncle or aunt). There is
no limit as far as I know. 

Also, can anybody now explain to a mexican person what
a "cousin once removed means"?

Guillermo.

--- Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

> Well now we might be opening up a can of worms. I've
> lived all my life 
> following what you just said. If a cousin of mine
> had a kid his kids 
> would call me Tio. BUT since starting genealogy I've
> heard that this is 
> technically not correct and that the rules in Mexico
> didn't allow for 
> this. So how can we find out what the "official"
> Mexico rules are for 
> relationships?
> 
> Just as a side note I have an 82 year old 2nd cousin
> once removed (he 
> and my dad would have been 2nd cousins) who is a
> Priest in Jerez, 
> Zacatecas. I would like to know the rules but
> regardless of the rules I 
> will never ever ever call this dear relative "Primo"
> . . .respect 
> screams out from the heavens for me to call him Tio
> and thats what I 
> call him: Tio Alberto Roman (Francisco Javier Roman;
> Julian Roman; Juan 
> Nepomuceno Roman; Jose Maria Roman).
> 
> joseph
> 
> docrjr@... wrote:
> 
> > In Mexico, when cousins have children, the
> children refer to the 
> > adults as "tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt
> weds, their respective 
> > spouse is referred to as "tio or tia" (politico
> (a)) also. The 
> > "politica" makes reference to the fact that they
> are uncle or aunt by 
> > marriage, not blood.
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The term "politico(a)" in spanish is equivalent to the
term "in-law" in english.

Guillermo.
--- docrjr@... wrote:

> In Mexico, when cousins have children, the children
> refer to the adults as  
> "tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt weds, their
> respective spouse is referred 
>  to as "tio or tia" (politico (a)) also. The
> "politica" makes reference to 
> the  fact that they are uncle or aunt by marriage,
> not  blood.
> 



		
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http://www.dropby.com/indexLF.html?content=/Genealogia/

thanks much to Steven Hernandez for explaining and supplying the link to the above page. I noticed on my end
that there seemed to be a problem so you might need to use the above link and click on Parentesco to access
the material. I'm putting a link to this page in the links page.

thanks Steven,

joseph

Is anyone aware of Genealogy and/or Social Societies in Mexico? In
particular for the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and
Chihuahua?

I was working yesterday as a volunteer at my local Family History Center
when a kindred spirit came in to work his genealogy. He was telling me
how he contacts different social organizations in his mother country and
they are very helpful in suggesting local sources of information.

Now I don't know about you but I couldn't believe how such a simple idea
has somehow slipped by me. So now I'm hot on the trail of contacting
whatever genealogical or social organizations I can find in the larger
towns I'm searching for relatives/information.

So does anyone know of organization in Mexico that might be equivilent
to some of the church or social organizations here? Maybe the Knights of
Columbus or ???

thanks,

Joseph

ps: for starts I would just like to have a current phone book for those
towns. If I had a phone book then I could start calling all the people
there that have my surnames in search of currently living relatives. . .
.with a little help I might be able to find some more oral history to
gather.