Thanks to Armando here is a link to some instructions on how to use PARES:
Go to the links area (http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/links) and at the
very top you can click on the "How To Use
the record had important info but left me with some questions. gregorio's aprents were already dead before 81803, so he had his uncle(named diego)'s permission to marry agipita marquez. i wonder his uncle is the same diego flores who was married to gertrudis de la torre, and then when after his first wife died, he married phelipa enriquez.
Do you have a technical background? Have you worked on websites before or
would like to learn to do so?
Do you have a technical background? Have you worked on websites before or
would like to learn to do so?
Just curious, but does anyone know if there's any Mexican Inquisition documents online on Familysearch.com, or elsewhere that we can look at?
Chris Pineda
Chris,
You can usually find numerous inquisition documents on PARES, I had an aunt by the name of María Méndez de Torres who was accused of witchcraft in 1672 in Zamora, Michoacán. Her inquisition documents that mention her brother as a witness and her parents and grandparents and great grandparents. She was declared "limpa de toda mala raza, judío, árabe, etc y es conocido que es de bueno liñaje y de buenos padres nobles y distinguidos entre el pueblo de Çamora. It was interesting to note that someone would actually accuse her of this, since it was well known the position they had in the cabildo and amongst society as one of the principal families of Zamora in the XVI century in the Obispado de Michoacán. One of her great grand nephews would later become the 1st or 2nd governor of Michoacán in the recent-declared republic in 1823, Telésforo Méndez de Torres.
I hope PARES will prove to be a resourceful tool for, there exist so many archives that are vital for our research, learn how
I'm glad to see someone has success in navigating on PARES. I've tried doing
simple searches and can never get anywhere on it. I just gave up since there are
no instructions on how to use. Very frustrating.
Ann M. Gutierrez
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Chris,
You can usually find numerous inquisition documents on PARES, I had an aunt by
the name of María Méndez de Torres who was accused of witchcraft in 1672 in
Zamora, Michoacán. Her inquisition documents that mention her brother as a
witness and her parents and grandparents and great grandparents. She was
declared "limpa de toda mala raza, judío, árabe, etc y es conocido que es de
bueno liñaje y de buenos padres nobles y distinguidos entre el pueblo de Çamora.
It was interesting to note that someone would actually accuse her of this, since
Ann,
I've had the same experience with Pares, so have left exploration of it to
a future date. But if someone know of a tutorial on it, please share! It
would be much appreciated.
Raquel Ruiz
Raquel,
That is an excellent idea. I've also had limited success in using Pares
hopefully someone in the group will be able to guide us.
-Angelina-
I have an old old book that has inquisitors parents names and sometimes their grandparents. Only in Mexico and only the 1600s and 1700s
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What is the exact name of the book and the exact name of the author? Do you
happen to have the ISBN for the book as well?
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The confirmation Book ( there is only one )for the Villa del Refugio,Zac.
Image no. 37 of 607.
No idea. I guess were making weekly payments, either to pay a loan, to pay some church services, or who knows what. They had a house as collateral.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro
It is very hard to read but here is what I can understand:
J. Jesus Serna y Antº Serna hijos, de D. Domingo Serna, ...
11 pesos 84 (centavos), abonaron 4 (pº ¿pesos?) cada 8 dias, comenzando el 1º el (sab crossed out, they were writing sábado) Do-
mingo que .... 8 del presente y si .............
cargo del .... garantiza la casa de morada situada en la ...
..... D. Domingo Serna, y .... por Jesus
Serna y Antº R... Antº Serna ¿Angel? R.... Pedro ..
y Trinidad Hernandz. .....
Victoriano Navarro
David Serna
Do you have a guess on the purpose of this enry ?
I'm having a hard time trying to decipher exactly what my great-great-great grandfather's birth record says. I know the following information:
David Serna
What is the record information. the date ? a copy of the link ? what image number ?
I have been reconcidering my practice of recording page numbers, entry number for the person (If given), and also the IMAGE NUMBER.
I have been recording image numbers on all my entries for the past year when I started my genealogy research. I have found it extremely useful whenever I needed to go back to locate and review a record. Downloading and or printing all these records just seems like an arduous task. There have been many times that I have found a record that was not in correct chronological order. Sometimes the parish records alternate dates between the main church and an auxiliary location. And of course sometimes the date recorded is inaccurate (for example Jan 2013 is recorded as Jan 2012).
Well in fact the Jalisco parish records I research were updated on Feb 25. To my surprise I noticed that my entries for marriages for Juchitlan 1860-1878 records no longer point to the correct image! Upon further inspection I discovered that they added about 50-80 images to this particular collection, which makes absolutely no sense since the new images added were for marriages from 1922. I do not yet know if
David Serna
I too have found some recent changes to online files where the total number of images has been increased. I still see value in recording the image numbers.
When they started putting the microfilms online, every single image had a code number which appeared as you downloaded it. Later they got rid of it. Nevertheless, I think it is a good idea to write down both the microfilm number and the image number, even if either becomes useless in the future. Some records are relatively easy to find without image number since all the records in the series follow a chronological order. But if you have a section with 3000 images and no strict chronological order (as with some of the Dispensas), then an image number becomes a must.
Victoriano Navarro
David
I would not go so far as to say this is a bad idea, but you need to know the issues with such a citation.
The FHL is simply a repository of a copy of these records. The film number, image number are simply from their system of cataloging and presenting the record. The url of the source is simply the current electronic repository, which (1) may change as systems are updated or (2) could simply go away if the system becomes unfunded or unsupported (for the FHL this is highly unlikely).
I think the proper citation for the record (for church or civil records) should be:
author (Catholic Church or Civil Authorities)
Parish (for church only) and location
record type (baptisms, marriages, etc)
volume number or year(s) covered
page or folio number (if used)
record number if used
Along with this information, you should note the repository (FHL), their film and image number, as well as the date you extracted the information.
Family Search does provide some guidance on citing records
David Serna Thank you for the guidance ... I do note the parish, book number and page no. but i have never noted the LDS film source numbers. It is always nice to have others to bounce ideas off . thanks for the help.
I have a minor disagreement with George on this issue. First, let me say that I agree completely that all of the information George lists is important, including the FHL film and image numbers; but I think the film and image numbers are extremely important for the reason that, for many of the early years, the films contain not only mixed dates, but also mixed events—that is, baptisms, marriages, confirmations, and burials may be mixed within one film number.
I have taken great pains to generate an index of the contents of the films I have accessed over the past year and a half, which has proven invaluable to me, especially when I return to a particular film again and again.
Here is one, almost comical, example of how a film can contain mixed information; it is FHL Film 280854 from Ocotlán. The FHL catalogue says that this film is "Bautismos 1610-1723 (incluye algunos matrimonios)", but this is the 'true' catalogue of this film (as accurately as I have been able to define it):
One further comment on why I catalogue the FHL Films I use and use image numbers in my citations: some—perhaps many—of the FHL film descriptions are incorrect; for example, this is the FHL online catalogue description of FHL Film 221879 (Lagos de Moreno): "Confirmaciones 1728 -- Bautismos 1607-1640 -- Matrimonios 1638 -- Confirmaciones 1680 -- Casamientos 1605-1637 -- Confirmaciones 1634 -- ? 1612-1634 -- Defunciones, Matrimonios 1638-1634 -- Bautismos 1647-1649, 1627-1628, 1615-1620 -- Matrimonios 1612-1635 -- Defunciones 1681, 1659-1673". Well, in cataloging this film, I discovered that, between images 324 and 329, there are marriages that date from 1586! Incredibly, I found a marriage record that I needed from 1588, which I would never have found had I not had my catalogue; it is the earliest record I have found online thus far on any FHL film ...
Lawrence Bouett
Orinda, CA
Necesito ayuda, no entiendo las palabras que dice de que murio? Muchas gracias, Nora
Necesito ayuda, no entiendo las palabras que dice de que murio? Muchas gracias, Nora
Mexico, Jalisco, Civil Registration, 1857-2000
San Julián
Defunciones 1942-1960
Image of 615
se necesita la liga de el registro de defunción para saber de quién se trata saludos
No entiendo de que fallecio , Maria Garcia? Espero que me puedas ayudar, gracias.
Mexico, Jalisco, Civil Registration, 1857-2000 San Julián Defunciones 1942-1960 Image of 615
Si Angelina no hubiera transcrito cardíaco no hubiera podido entender la otra palabra.
María García murió de un síncope cardíaco.
Saludos,
Armando
Salonwithin,
Tiene razon, esta dificil leer el documento. Segun le entendi, murio de
algun mal cardiaco.
-Angelina-
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No entiendo de que fallecio , Maria Garcia? Espero que me puedas ayudar,
gracias.
María García falleció de un síncope cardiaco, o sea un paro cardiaco. Le dejó de funcionar el corazón.
BILL FIGUEROA
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No entiendo de que fallecio , Maria Garcia? Espero que me puedas ayudar, gracias.
Mexico, Jalisco, Civil Registration, 1857-2000 San Julián Defunciones 1942-1960 Image of 615
Thanks for any translations..
The entry is from Villa Del Refugio, Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Zac.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15087-14291-97?cc=1804458&wc…
... or according to the previous records: Yo el BrDn (Bachiller Don) ...
Victoriano Navarro
David Serna
your translation skills are very good. You must be keeping your skills constantly honed. thank you so much.
Yo el DrDn (Doctor Don) Juan Jose Dias de Sandi The. (teniente, incumbent) cura case y vele in facie eclesie a Jose Simon Rojas con Maria de Jesus Yna (india) de este Puº (pueblo). Ps (padrinos, godparents) Jose Alejo Elauterio y Jose Alejo Eluterio, y Maria Josefa Migl Guadalaxara y Xavier Monico y lo firme con el Sor (señor) cura ...
Victoriano Navarro
I have seen this abbrev. Otna or something that looks like a curvy 9tna .. It was seen in my recent post and again in another post following a persons name..What is this ..
David Serna
I am convinced that the 9t( the t is elevated and small was actually part of the Y so the Abrreviation is Yna.. Yndia
I found this online that may help you when you come across common abrevations. Hope it helps you.
Monica Torres-Rice
I found this site that has help me to read documents. I thought I would post it for others to read.
https://familyhistory.byu.edu/Downloads/Spanish_Extraction_Guide/Defaul…
Monica Torres-Rice
I found this online that may help you when you come across common abrevations. Hope it helps you.
https://familyhistory.byu.edu/Downloads/Spanish_Extraction_Guide/Spanis…
Monica Torres-Rice
i found the marriage dispensation for joseph roman & josefa cid caldera
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-45522-2?cc=1874591&wc=…
I found this page that my help you in your search.
https://familyhistory.byu.edu/Downloads/Spanish_Extraction_Guide/Defaul…
Monica Torres-Rice
Brothers:
Pº Carrillo Dabila (senior) & Juan Carrillo de Davila were flesh brothers.
First cousins:
Pº Carrillo Davila (junior the legitimate son of the said Pº Carrillo Dabila)and Mª Carrillo (the legitimate daughter of Juan Carrillo Davila) were fist cousins, and grandparents of the groom and bride.
Second cousins:
Mª Carrillo and Pº Sid Caldera (senior) are the parents of Pº Sid Caldera (junior, father of the bride).
Pº Carrillo (junior) was the father of Mª Carrillo (the younger, mother of the groom).
The parents of bride and groom are second cousins (they share great grandparents)
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro
thank you again victoriano.
There is an Orozco Moreno family of which I am looking for their ancestors and cannot find them.
Hello Jose, my family was also from San Diego de Alejandria, Jalisco. My paternal great-grandmother was Maria Refugia Camarena Ayala, b. 1861 and married my great-grandfather, Guadalupe Gutierrez, b. 1853. I went on the GeneaNet website and found the genealogy chart for my great-grandmother---click on website below to see the chart and see if we have "parentisco."
http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=en;p=maria+refugia;n=camarena=ayala
Hope this helps.
Ann Marie Gutierrez
Hi Ann Marie
Thanks for the info. The Guadalupe Camarena I am looking for was a grandmother already on 1803, so I am guessing she must have been born around 1755 or 1765. In the chart you send me there is a Guadalupe Camarena borned around 1785 whom in 1803 would´ve been 18 years old, so I am almost sure she is not the one. Thanks anyway and if i find something I´ll let you know.
Regards
Jose Humberto
Quiero compartir los datos que he obtenido en estos ultimos meses con datos que pongo a su consideracion y opinion en orden cronologico:
I only see the Diosecees of Durango, I have been unable to find this film online .
This is the record im searching for.
name: Maria Rudecinda Rojas
gender: Female
This is the link for the church;
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…
Victoriano Navarro
Baptism book ( there are two) page No. 112, image no. 125 of 438, Hija Natural, Yndia Padrinos Jose Camilo Nateno Nafeno y Ma. Antonia ( Simenal )
i've seen several family trees showing maria carrillo also also being his niece. how was this connect made. I can't seem to find any document showing who maria carrillo's parents are.
Katy--
Which trees are you talking about? I've never seen anything that connected them as uncle and niece. I think I found one dispensa that mentioned her father's name as Juan Carrillo.
Rosalinda
i saw a few trees on ancestry . i think one of them was owned by some user named Aguanaval.
Well, I would ask the creators of the trees for their sources-- I've seen plenty of mistakes on Ancestry. I would stick with the contemporary documents, and if the creators of the trees identify a source, then I would follow up. I personally haven't seen a relationship like the one you saw.
Rosalinda
i just found this today
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-46122-90?cc=1874591&wc…
i wonder if the owner of the tree assumed the pedro carrillo davila on the tree was the same one who married catalina cid caldera(i haven't found enough evidence to proove this assumption right or wrong.)
i think this tree has some errors in it. first of all joseph roman's mother was maria carrillo, yet josefa cid caldera(her parents are pedro cid caldera and juana rosales)'s name was put under maria carrillo name
Joseph this message doesn't seem to show up on the Nuestros Ranchos
website.
The Dispensas were only required if the couple getting married had some kind of family relation (by blood, by marriage, by "illicit relations", etc.). I don't know if all the marriage permits listed in the Dispensas have duplicate entries in the Información matrimonial records. That's a good question.
So, family relation of some kind, you MUST get a Dispensa; no family relation at all, you are OK just with Información matrimonial.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro
I know for sure that there are marriages where the Información Matrimonial record is available as well as the dispensa as well as the regular marriage record.
I think that the Información Matrimonial records that can't be found are simply missing. Just as many baptism and marriage records are simply missing.
Saludos,
Armando
It happened to a bunch of people at school yesterday. The school said it was all from hacked yahoo accounts.
Joseph What is this??????
In a message dated 2/28/2013 5:38:07 P.M.
What happens is that someone hacks into a members email account and then
once they are in they can send out messages to anyone in their address book.
This is what appears to have happened. Once I saw the message I immediately
suspended Raul Macias account and will reinstate in only after he replies to
me assuring me that he has changed his password and is confident that this
will not happen again.
Sorry but there is nothing that can be done to prevent this from
occasionally happening. If someone has any ideas please send them to me
directly so we can consider this: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Joseph
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I'm reguesting a lead on Bartholome Delgado and Francisca Merquelin Chevarria my 9th Great grandparents. They married on April 3, 1701 in Pinos, Zacatecas.
Hello Everyone,
I have hit a wall regarding Nicolas Sanchez Moreno and Maria Flores who had in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco
A)Pedro Jose b. 1713
Can you provide links to the images to see if I can find something?
Armando
Hello,
I placed the links below upon looking at the ones from La Barca they appear to be a different family. I have not been able to find the marriage for Nicolas and Maria either. Thanks for your help.
A)Pedro Jose b. 1713 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-16784-4?cc=1874591&wc=…
B)Luisa (Moreno) b. 1715 m. to Ylario Parada on 21 Jan 1734 in Lagos
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-16683-32?cc=1874591&wc…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18571-5811-56?cc=1874591&wc=…
C)Ana Maria b. 1717 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-16437-44?cc=1874591&wc…
D)Jose b. 1719 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-47310-20?cc=1874591&wc…
E)Miguel Tomas b. 1721 m. Maria Antonia Dias on 18 February 1743 in Atotonilco el Alto
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-46460-61?cc=1874591&wc…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18428-30555-43?cc=1874591&wc…
F)Maria
I wasn't able to find a connection to any of the other families in Lagos. The puesto or haciendo El Potrero could be a clue to finding a relation to one of them. I don't know who owned it or which families lived there or even the geographical location. If you can get that info it might be of help.
Also look through the volumes of Información Matrimonial for 1713-1715, 1711-1712, and 1711 to see if you can find a record for Nicolas Sanchez Moreno and Maria Flores.
Armando
Hello,
I have some more information that may help find the origins of this couple. After some more searching I have not found the marriage for Nicolas and Maria yet but I have found some more marriages of their children.
A)Maria Francisca b. 1723 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBM8-T5W married Jose Leonardo de Parada y Villalpando (brother of Hilario)29 May 1742 in Lagos de Moreno.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18560-23046-99?cc=1874591&wc…
B)Juana Quieteria b. 1725 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-45073-18?cc=1874591&wc… married Jose Ramon Parada (brother of Leonardo and Hilario)6 Jun 1745 in Lagos de Moreno. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18560-25896-39?cc=1874591&wc…
It seems that the Parada family was close to the Sanchez Flores Family. The rancho they lived at Los Conejos is close to a rancho called El Potrero de Afuera both in Lagos. The mother of the three brothers used different surnames (Manriques
Richard,
That's great work you have done in your investigation.
Juan de Villalobos Campo and Antonia Petra Galvan de Rojas were my ancestors. Four of their children married into the Moreno de Ortega family. Nicolás Sánchez Moreno is probably related to the Moreno de Ortega family based on what you have posted.
The first Esteban de Anda Altamirano was the original owner of San Antonio de los Sauces according to a book by Mario Gómez Mata cronista de Lagos de Moreno. He was the grandfather of Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Sáenz de Vidaurre who married Josefa Moreno de Ortega y González de Hermosillo. I don't know if there was another San Antonio at the time.
The Moreno de Ortega family also married into the Gómez de Portugal and Rodríguez de Portugal family. They also married into the Ortiz de Parada family a few times. The Parada family you are talking about probably descend from Sebastián de Parada and María Ortíz de Saavedra which who gave their descendants the Ortiz de Parada
Hello,
Thanks again for the info. I finally found the informacion matrimonial for Nicolas Sanchez Moreno and Maria Flores. Here is a link to the page: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18576-8384-92?cc=1874591&wc=…
It says Nicolas was the son of "padres no conocidos" so maybe he was adopted by the Sanchez Morenos, or was an illegitimate son of a woman of the Sanchez Moreno family and an unknown Angulo. The second option could explain why in the 1740's Nicolas and some of his children started going by the last name Angulo, as he may have found out who his father was. Any ideas on how to get more information on stuff like this?
Also I found a couple more members of the Sanchez Moreno family,
Onofre Sanchez Moreno m. Maria Rojas and had Onofre Bernabe Sanchez Moreno
Maria Rojas died 27 May 1703 vuida de Onofre her son was her Alvacea
and Onofre Bernabe died 27 May 1713 leaving Br. Jacinto Gonzalez de Laris as his Alvacea
Maria Flores was the daughter of Nicolas
How did you know that the mother of Petronila Ponce used the surname Chávez Fragoso? Do you have names of the parents of Josefa Moya or Chávez Fragoso?
A sister of Petronila, Rosa María, married Manuel Chávez Fragoso y Villalobos according to the following page
http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=manuel;n=chavez+fragoso+villa…
I looked up the marriage record and it states there was a dispensa
Film 299823 Matrimonios 1663-1702
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30278-40?cc=1410092&…
That dispensa has not been indexed. It's possible that dispensa is in one of the following two films
Guadalajara Matrimonios 1690-1709 Film 167980 938 pages
Guadalajara Matrimonios 1693-1712 Film 167981 394 pages
Have you found anything more on Francisco Flores and Francisca Flores?
You have been doing a great job with your investigation. If you keep looking at marriages of descendants you might find a dispensa that could help you with Nicolás Sánchez Moreno
Hey Armando
I noticed Josefa de Moya used Chavez in the baptisms of some of her children:
Rosa Maria https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/ND1N-SQB
and
Alejandro https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J93R-XQG
I assumed because of Rosa Maria's marriage to Manuel Chavez Fragoso Josefa was also a Chavez Fragoso and noticed there was a couple Pedro Chavez Fragoso and Jacinta Moya that seemed to line up chronologically making her Manuel's First Cousin. Of course the dispensa would be needed to prove this but its my working hypothesis until I get a chance to look through those dispensas.
I tried looking for Francisco and Francisca Flores but I couldn't find anything. I also looked through Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia to see if they were in the Flores de la Torre chapter but no luck there. Seeing as they were listed as being from Jalostotitlan I'm leaning towards the idea of them being related in some way to Diego Flores de la Torre y Arias de Valdes, son of the last
Do any of you have parents or grandparents raised in the section houses of
the Santa Fe RR during the 1920s to 1950s in San Bernardino or Riverside
Counties?
are you talking abt box cars or homes owned by the railroad?
I know when my grandparents came in 1916 from Jerez, Zac they went to Idaho for the railroad and their first child died there and another was born there.. it was just a box car, hot in the summer and cold in the winter but all the Mexican workers lived in them.
Linda Castanon-Long
Boulder City, Nv
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Do any of you have parents or grandparents raised in the section houses of
the Santa Fe RR during the 1920s to 1950s in San Bernardino or Riverside
Counties? These would have included San Bernardino (4th St), Verdemont,
Keenbrook, Cajon, Summit, Hesperia, Oro Grande, Hodge, Barstow, Redlands,
Menifee, Box Springs, Riverside (not an exhaustive list). Spurred by a
reference to the section workers in the latest Somos Primos, I've decided
to use
Linda,
I'm talking about the ones in permanent housing, primarily the cement ones
(the earlier ones were wood). I know what you are talking about, though.
When my grandfather was a foreman he was in charge of a mobile section crew
(aka chain gang). They all lived in converted box cars. As the foreman he
had a boxcar of his own, which was part living quarters, part office. At
that time and place (mid to late 40s to 60s), San Bernardino, the families
of the men lived in the section house in town (if space was available)
while the men were in "el campo", living in boxcars converted into bunk
houses, with cook and dining car.
-Raquel
Hello,
I have a great-grandfather who lived and worked at the Simmons Brickyard in Los Angeles County, I am not sure if that is the same RR that you are discussing here.
It is difficult to find information/pictures/etc., about the location.
I cannot find my great grandfather or his family on any census records, either (for that time period that they were there).
Kristine
Kristine,
Thanks so much for introducing me to the Simon's Brick Yard http://montebellohistoricalsociety.org/mhs/Simons.html. I grew up not far from where it was and had no idea it had existed. My dad, who moved to LA in 1949, recalls the brickyard, but didn't know there was company housing on the site, too. My mom worked in a factory in the mid50s on Vail Ave, apparently near where the brickyard had been. It is unrelated to the RR Section Houses but may have had some things in common with them. I would guess that, being in the city, the homes in Simon had electricity, which the RR section housing largely did not.
Thanks again.
Raquel
Hello,
I never knew they existed either, prior to finding the information on my GGrandfather's WWI Draft Registration Card.
I still have not found much information on his stay there, the search goes on.
Hope you find out more info on the RR section housing that you are looking for.
Kristine =)
Phelipe Marquez de los