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The book "The Encomenderos of New Spain 1521-1555" only lists in the index a
Diego de San Martin and a Pedro de San Martin. Neither is a compound name
with "Estrada."
Stella Cardoza
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Anisabel, I will be there at 10 a.m. tomorrow. How far do you have to
travel to the library? and could you add me to your email addresses so
that we don't take space here.
Thanks, Esther
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> Esther I can be there at 10 tomorrow August 4?
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Hello,
True the Library in Bonita is more like a branch library but we do have
many films from Ayotlan, Ayo El Chico and other Jalisco films. We are open
Wednesdays at 3:00 p.m. Diane Godinez is there right now if you wish to go.
-Esther

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Anisabel Santamaria
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> I thought the Bonita location no longer houses films? I've been looking
> for information on el tuito and tomatlan. Thanka
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ESPERO TE AYUDE EN ALGO, LO QUE ENTIENDO ES QUE ELLA PIDE SE HAGA LA SEPARACIÓN LEGAL CON LA IGLESIA Y LOS CARGOS SON QUE SU ESPOSO YA NO ESTÁ CON ELLA DESDE HACE 20 AÑOS Y NO DOCE Y QUE ELLA TUVO UN HIJO Y DESPUES OTROS PERO NO CON SU ESPOSO, Y QUE SU ESPOSO INTENTÓ MATARLA POR SU INFIDELIDAD Y QUE PREFIERE NO SABER NADA Y QUE SI ELLA QUIERE LA SEPARACIÓN VA A SER POR ELLA Y SI SE LA ACEPTA LA IGLESIA.SI LO QUIERES TODO LO QUE DICE PUES AVÍSAME PERO ME TARDARÍA MAS TIEMPO OK ?
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> From: raymond-rmm@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:56:09 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Delgadillo
>
> This is boring for most members but I have not been able to decipher most of the information in the following that is discouraging at first because images of torn and faded pages make it extremely useless to continue perusing, BUT subsequent images are more readable and I would greatly appreciate any comments on the actions taken by the church in this

Hello everyone,

Before I viewed the record image, I had already made my deduction about this case. The Covarrubias' family has been native of Jalisco since the era of the first settlers of that state's region.

I looked through the document, with all my experience in the subject and by the fact that my mother language is Spanish and can tell you that your ancestor wasn't a peninsular spanish, the document is a little bit fuzzy but I can read that he was from "Exutla", the modern writing writes it Ejutla and it's actually a municipality in Jalisco. But also, on the left side of the record it states "españoles de este pueblo" so it meant both of them were from Tecolotlán. In order to be sure about the origin of your ancestor you should look for his baptism certificate, what we're a 100% sure is that he wasn't from Spain.

I descend from the Covarrubias family and I can tell you that at least you would not connect this ancestor back to Spain for 200 years before that date.

Good luck

Mabel,
I too have this couple in my family tree. Thank you for finding their marriage record. As is read it, after his name it reads "de este pueblo" in an abbreviated form. That means he was born in Tecolotlan. Let's see what others think.
Lucy Sweeney

I found the following in a PDF about Loreto, Zacatecas. It looks like Montesa was a cathedral in Pinos, Zacatecas that used to be in the parish of San Marias del Real in Pinos, but I don't understand the Spanish very well.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Los volúmenes de registros de nacimientos, matrimonios y entierros de los siglos
XVII, XVIII y XIX dan testimonio de la extensa actividad religiosa que la capilla tuvo, (llegó
a registrar repetidos servicios diarios) colocándole como importante Auxiliar de la
Parroquia de San Matías del Real de Pinos, de la que dependió desde su origen; después
al erigirse La Montesa en Parroquia en 1904, quedó en su demarcación; el año de
1922 fue disgregada dicha Parroquia de San Antonio de la Montesa y la capilla quedó a
control de Noria de Ángeles; que desde 1883 se erigió como Parroquia de la Purísima
Concepción, a la que perteneció hasta el 15 de diciembre de 1956 en que la vicaría fija
de la exhacienda de La Concepción fue elevada a Parroquia, a

Mary
You will find all images related to that surnames both Pinos and Asientos parishes

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> From: m.caraveo@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:34:15 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] La Montesa Filegresa de Pinos
>
> Greetings:
>
> Need help in locating where is La Montesa, filegresa de pinos, Trying to locate baptismal for Agapito Aguilar Yzquierdo. Some of my records,that I have found in Cienega de Mata. Jalisco, state, this location And Also Same Family as being from el Xaral del Valle, I've been try to locate these places for a long time without sucess. Please, Please Help. Thank You very much in advance
>
> Mary Caraveo

Maternal grandpatents:
Leon Galvan
Leonides Lamas
Padrinos: Francisco Acosta y Juana Marquez
Marriage Record:

Leon Galvan
Leonor Lamas
Antonio Marquez
Nazaria Flores
Toribio Galvan 37 years old he's widower Anacleta Sandoval 7 years
Margarita Marquez 23 years old
Padrinos Juan Jose Galvan y Maria Ignacia Galvan
Witness Pascual Cabral y Eleuterio Leon

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:10 AM, wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm so excited because I found my great great grandmother's baptismal
> certificate, now we move into Huejucar, Jalisco, when just about everyone
> else was from Zacatecas.
>
> This is her baptismal certificate (bottom left side):
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-33928-21?**
> cc=1874591&wc=12506361
>
> Parents: Toribio Galvan
> Margarita Marquez
>
> Paternal grandparents:
> Leon Galvan
> Leonides ??
>
> Maternal grandparents:
> Antonio Marquez
> Nasaria Villegas
>
>
> However, her parents' marriage record looks to have different names (upper
> right)

Cual te interesa de los 9 matrimonios??

Atte:
Mario Gonzalez

El 29/07/2012 07:20 p.m., brixa_911@hotmail.com escribió:
> HOLA MUY BUEN FIN DE SEMANA A TODOS Y SIGO CON MI INVESTIGACÍON Y ME
> GUSTARÍA SABER QUE ES LO QUE DICE EN ESTE MATRIMONIO PARA LOGRAR SABER
> SI ES MI LINEA ? SI HAY ALGUIEN QUE ME PUEDA AUXILIAR LO AGRADECERÉ
> INFINITAMENTE.
> ESTE ES EL LINK.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-59511-28?cc=1874591&wc…
>

The matrimonios only included the names of the bride and groom, their
calidad, at times their place of origin, sometimes their parents, the
witnesses, and the padrinos of the marriage.

The información matrimonial was a process called for by the Council of
Trent where the bride and groom declared their age, calidad, their place of
origin, their parents, and a previous marriage if there was one. They also
had to declare they were free to marry and didn't have the impediments of
consanguinity or affinity relationship, haven't promised to marry another
person, no criminal convictions, no promise of celibacy or to belong to a
religious order. The bride also declares she is marrying voluntarily and
isn't being forced pr coerced to marry. The información matimonial will
also have three witnesses that declare they have known the bride and/or
groom for a number of years and that everything that they know what the
bride and groom have said is known to be true. At times the witnesses are
related

That extra information can sometimes be invaluable. I have seen informacion matrimonial state that the groom had lived in other jurisdictions aside from their home town. In the early 1900's, there was some informacion matrimonial with a dispensation to the groom "de vaguedad" meaning he had been traveling without an official residence, showed he'd lived in Kansas City and other parts of the US.

Different reasons for a dispensa are that the bride and her family were very poor and needed immediate rescue. I find the informaciones matrimoniales full of information we wouldn't be able to get elsewhere.

Alicia

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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 9:03 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matrimonios vs. Información Matrimonial

What's the difference besides extra info?  Why the difference?

Thanks, Laura Gonzalez

Who are your Luna's? as I have an extensive file. Also, I have been researching for a friend who's family "Huizar" were from Momax, and Colotlan.
/hs
michael huizar wrote:

i'm lookimg for any one that has info on the luna family in momax

como doy con la lista indexada por Claudia Casillas de las dispensas matrimoniales de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara,gracias anticipadas un gran saludos y mis felicitaciones por el trabajo de Claudia Casillas, horas y horas de trabajo
Javier González López Portillo

Hola, Jorge:

Estoy de acuerdo que la obra de Claudia y demás contribuyentes ha sido una
gran labor.

Se que Pedro de Villalobos era hijo de Tomás de Villalobos y Catalina
Macias Valadez y que su primera esposa fue Catalina Ramírez Rubio hija de
Juan Alonso de los Inojos e Isabel Ramírez Rubio pero no sabia que Pedro
tuvo una hija llamada Jacinta. ¿Serás tan amable de compartir el enlace de
la dispensa que menciona a Jacinta? Existe la posibilidad que el Agustín
que fue su marido es el que era hijo de Álvaro Marín de Peñaloza y
Petronila Martínez de Sotomayor bautizado el 27 de marzo 1667 en
Aguascalientes.

Saludos
Armando

On Jul 15, 2012 3:01 PM, "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez"
georgio_2386@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Gracias al esfuerzo de Claudia Casillas de indexar las dispensas
> matrimoniales de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, en las publicaciones que
> ha hecho este mes, logré avanzar en dos lineas que tenía pendientes.
> Logré establecer quienes eran los padres de Jacinta de

Armando:

En un Libro que se llama "De Criolla Estirpe" del profesor Ezequiel Hernandez Lugo, (Cronista por algún tiempo de Encarnacion de Diaz y ahora miembro del Consejo para la Cronica de Lagos de Moreno) en la pagina 86 aparece "Don Luis Romo de Vivar y Ruiz de Esparza", (hijo de Pedro Romo de Vivar y de Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza)".-Casado en Teocaltiche el dos de junio de 1686 con doña Maria de Villalobos y Carrillo."; No lo especifica pero al parecer esta informacion tiene como fuente al Dr Mariano Gonzalez Leal.

Miguel Beltran

Hola Armando,

El acta de matrimonio de Miguel Romo de Vivar y Ana Macias Valadez no menciona a sus padres. Puedes buscarla en FamilySearch Beta Site con el siguiente enlace:

https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysear…

Sin embargo, su información matrimonial menciona a los padres de Ana Macías Valadez pero no a los de Miguel Romo de Vivar. Como sabes que Miguel Romo de Vivar llevaba como segundo apellido Villalobos? Te agradecería me indicaras la fuente de esa información, ya que hubo más de un Miguel Romo de Vivar. Los padres de Ana Macías Valadez fueron Juan Macías Valadez (ya difunto en 1724) y Juana Hernández. Miguel Romo de Vivar era vecino de la jurisdicción de Lagos y Ana Macías Valadez de Aguascalientes. El enlace es el siguiente:

https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysear…

I'm not 100% positive, but I'm assuming that's correct.

Laura Gonzalez

According to this site, it's near Tomatlan. http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/gargantillo-la-hacienda/

Laura Gonzalez

gedcom 5.5 is more universal when exporting elsewhere.

export all files on Fanily Tree Maker and choose the option gedcom 5.5 into your computer files. you can now export that gedcom file to Nuestros Ranchos gedcom files or rootsweb.com.

Jose Carlos de Leon

Hi Alice,

The word "agostadero" used in old records is equivalent to "potrero" which
is a grazing field for cattle. While searching for my ancestors in
Aguascalientes, I came across several estancias named "El Agostadero". One
that immediately comes to mind is the "Hacienda del Agostadero" that
belonged to Juana de Siordia, widow of Bernardo Salado. It was later
inherited by her daughter Bernarda Salado. I believe it was located in the
outskirts of Aguascalientes (the town) not far from Hacienda de Peñuelas and
today's International Airport Jesús Terán. You would find those records in
Aguascalientes, not in Asientos. However, it is possible that another
estancia named Agostadero was located near Asientos, but I am not aware of
it.

BILL FIGUEROA

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From: "Alice Blake"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:11 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Agostadero

Does anyone know where mid 1800's Agostadero, Aguascalientes nacimientos or
baptisms would

Hi Alice, It is my understanding that around 1860's La hacienda de Agostadero, El lobo, La Concepcion "La Concha" and Los Campos was incorporated into the city of Villa Garcia, Zacatecas. you can probably find it there, on civil records. On church records you might try Pinos, zacatecas. I hope this is some help to you.
Lance "Gonzo"

The hat type is called a tricorne in both English and Spanish (with their respective pronunciations). I was not aware that those hats were worn in Mexico, that is very interesting.
luissche

It's on image 67

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11594-39727-82?cc=1410092&…

Saludos
Armando

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM, wrote:

> Hello
>
> Desperately seeking the marriage record (image) of
> Leonardo Romo and Josefa Trinidad.
> They are padrinos for a child of Manuel Romo and Maria Ygnacia Rodriguez,
> and I would very much like to see who the parents of Leonardo are.
> Family search gives their marriage as follows:
>
> 04 Feb 1824 Nuestra Senora De La Victoria,Nadadores,Coahuila,**Mexico
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.1.1/JZJB-ZQB
> But when I go to the book for marriages at that place and time, the entry
> is not there:
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-267-11594-41481-92?**
> cc=1410092&wc=6816018
> Am I looking in the wrong place? The film number is 222404, but the first
> image of this series of records does not provide the image...
>
> Any good advice?
>
> There are lots of Raphael Romos in and around Aguascalientes, and I am

Hello
I too am researching the Romo name. Although I have no links to Jalolstitlan (that I know of), I thought I would suggest that you try "Guadalajara Dispensas" site (just google Guadalajara dispensas. Use the Jauregui name in the search field of their site. Sometimes you strike gold with a marriage dispensation! You get a couple of generations of ancestors. And if you havent been into Gedcom here, try that too of course.

Regards,
Denise

Totally off topic, but every time I read her name, I read "mensa." ;-p

Laura Gonzalez