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General Digest, Vol 73, Issue 1

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:21:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Marisela
To: mike@mikeworld.com, general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org,
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How are you doing?
http://www.folhadeitapetininga.com.br/picolyint.php?osuluckyid=5

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I've suspended the email privileges of hmtsam@aol.com

Marisela Taylor

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

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Research Digest, Vol 72, Issue 26

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>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:33:18 -0800
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Problems with Family Search
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>> Is anyone having problems with the search feature of Family Search? Some
>> changes appear to have been made between yesterday and today, and searches
>> that produced many records yesterday provide nothing today.
>>
>> I wonder if we are in the midst of an uncompleted upgrade?
>>
>> George Fulton

MIGUEL GUTIERREZ DE HERMOSILLO: Descendents in Los Angeles, CA

Published by Claudia_Reynoso –
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Hello primos y primas:

I would like to connect with Southern California descendents of MIGUEL GUTIERREZ DE HERMOSILLO and either of his two wives: (1) Manuela Petrona Gonzalez-Rubio and (2) Gertrudis Romo de Vivar. Miguel was baptized on 07 Jun 1731 in Jalostotitlan. He married his first wife, Manuela Petrona on 05 Aug 1765 in Tepatitlan, and his second wife Gertrudis on 22 May 1781 in Jalostotitlan.

I am only interested in connecting with descendents who migarated to LOS ANGELES, CA and resided there before 1950. If you are a descendent of Don Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo, whose family lived in Los Angeles before 1950, please send me a private email. I would love to connect with you.

Have a nice weekend everyone!

-Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

Juan Barajas y Juana de Olea - Ayo el chico

Published by verodamian –
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Hola amigos;
Encontre el film del matrimonio de Nicolas BARAJAS OLEAS con Catarina (que por cierto si ha variado mucho su apellido como RUIZ, GALINDO, RENTERIA, BECERRA). Sin embargo no encuentro el film de su nacimiento.
Sus padres siendo Juan Barajas y Juana de Olea viven en Ayo el chico, hoy Ayotlan y mencionan a Juan como "mestizo", sorpresa, pues en Tepatitlan era mencionada su desendencia como espanoles. Los microfilms de Ayo comienzan en 1682, y sabemos que antes, la gente que pudo haber vivido recibia servicio en Ocotlan.
He aqui la siguiente reseña del libro de "Partidos y padrones del obispado de Michoacan" de Alberto Carrillo Cazares: " Ayo chico y grande es Vicaria nueva, desmembrada de Ocotlan por la dificultad de la administracion, estando tan distante y siendo tan malos los caminos especialmente en tiempo de aguas"
Nicolas nacio el 17 ene 1677 en Ayo y segun se menciona en el libro, En 1619 es descrito como “Una congregación de 10 vecinos espanoles, y 40 vecinos indios otomies”

Asi que me encantaria saber si alguien interesado en esta pareja (JUAN BARAJAS y JUANA DE OLEA) ha revisado ya, Ocotlan buscandolos y si no es asi, para continuar con la labor.

Saludos y todo lo mejor!

Veronica Rodriguez

Article on Joel Poinsett trying to push out Spanish from Mexico for access to Mines

Published by MADERA_32 –
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I ran across this article on how some person name Joel Poinsett, French or English trying to push out Spanish from Mexico for access to the mines.

http://mexfiles.net/2007/03/29/buried-treasure/

My ancestors were the Spanish from the colonial days, we own large acres of property and one of my relatives has a property with a hand dug mine on it.

Fw: De Ysalba

Published by alicebb –
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Dear Group,
Since there appears to be members with the surname of de Alba, I thought I'd pose the question again.
Has anyone seen these surnames used interchangably in their research? Or are they distinctly different?
Any help or opinions would be greatly appreciated.   Thank you, Alice

--- On Mon, 1/23/12, Alice Blake wrote:

From: Alice Blake
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] De Ysalba
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, January 23, 2012, 1:08 AM

Does anyone know if the surname de Ysalba or de Esalba is a variation of de Alba?
I've got marriage entries for Maria de Ysalba with Joseph Feliz de Arrambide 02/20/1724 and 03/19/1720 in Mexico, DF.  Yet I can't find any de Ysalba's anywhere.  Both entries from two different churches in DF couldn't be wrong?   Your help would be greatly appreciated.    Alice Blake

Re: Santa Ana, Loopez-Buezo, Garza, Covarrubias

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Thank you all who contributed information on these families. I seem to have the good luck to also be working on these lines, including also Amaya and Rosales, clustered in the area of Tecolotlan, Autlan, and Ejutla in Jalisco. My question is for Marta Haros and the post dated 1/8/2012, in which you listed the son of Antonio Santa Ana and Feliciana Gomez Garcia-Contreras as Antonio: Baptized 24 May, 1723.
Was that in Tecolotlan? I actually have 9 other children for this couple--but can't locate that particular record. The other children I have are: Thomas: 27 March, 1731; Maria Theresa Januaria: 11 Oct, 1728; Francisca Ylaria 9 Feb, 1726; Joseph Maria: 14 Oct, 1718; Augustina 18 Sep 1715; Catarina 13 Dec, 1711; Pedro 12 July, 1713; Maria 15 Jan, 1721, and Cayetano: 21 Sept. 1723
Thank you for your help.
Deedra Corona

Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo & Trinidad Montes de Oca

Published by Anónimo (no verificado) –
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Hi,
Today I decided to reseach the paternal line of a distant cousin and thanks to Familysearch I was able to find records on 11 couples going back up to 5 generations. They all are from the La Laguna region (Coahuila-Durango, just North of Zacatecas). One of the couples is the one of Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo & Trinidad Montes de Oca, who had several children in Viesca, Coahuila around the 1840's.
According to the book -La hacienda de "La Concha": Una empresa algodonera de La Laguna, 1883-1917- this González de Hermosillo family was from Jalisco and they would carry merchandise from Guadalajara to San Antonio, TX in the early 1800's.
If anybody has any information on the Jalisco branch of this family please let me know. It is the direct paternal line of my cousin.
Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro, Torreón, Coah.

Juan Carrión y María López de Oropeza. Aguascalientes, Pinos e Irapuato.

Published by Ramirez –
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Amigos del foro, se que muchos de ustedes basan sus investigaciones en el área de Aguascalientes por lo que creí conveniente dar a conocer el siguiente registro que encontré hoy. Buscando el matrimonio de Desiderio Martín Gallardo y Jerónima de la Torre me encontré con el matrimonio de Juan Carrión y María López de Oropeza, y creo será de interés para mucho si es que aún no tienen el dato. Yo no desciendo de la pareja mencionada pero tiene mucha relación con los Muñoz de Hermosillo y González de Hermosillo.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20130-4726-88?cc=1860831&…

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.

De Ysalba

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Does anyone know if the surname de Ysalba or de Esalba is a variation of de Alba?
I've got marriage entries for Maria de Ysalba with Joseph Feliz de Arrambide 02/20/1724 and 03/19/1720 in Mexico, DF.  Yet I can't find any de Ysalba's anywhere.  Both entries from two different churches in DF couldn't be wrong?   Your help would be greatly appreciated.    Alice Blake

Research Digest, Vol 72, Issue 21

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Melchor Reynoso is probably in the old microfisches of the LDS church, if you can find a Family History Center which still has them.  They are the Catholic parish records, filmed and extracted in the 1950's.  Some of the original parish records are now filmed and online at Wikki.  I'm not sure of the link....

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  1. Re: (no subject) (drfelix44@gmail.com)
  2. Re: Melchor Reynoso?need proof o f parentage (b. ca. 1695)
      and marriage (ca. 1724) (Armando)
  3. Santana and Gomes-Garcia,  descendents (gloriad@jps.net)
  4. Re: Pirateria en datos genealogicos. (Joseph Puentes)
  5. MEJOR PROGRAMA PARA GUARDAR LOS DATOS
      (victor_manuel_gp@yahoo.com.mx)
  6. Legacy (enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com)
  7. Numbers on Holcomb FG Sheets (gpf13@aol.com)
  8. Re: Numbers on Holcomb FG Sheets (Armando)
  9. education in Mexico (longsjourney@yahoo.com)
  10. Re: education in Mexico (rubenhernandez57@comcast.net)
  11. Re: education in Mexico (Alicia Carrillo)
  12. Mistakes of Marriage Records in Signatures
      (enrique_agraz94@hotmail.com)

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FELIX MUNOZ GUERRERO
Pues mi bisabuelo nacio en el salitre cerca de Tlachichila y lo bautizaron en Nochistlan, era Jose Felix Macias Hernandez ( Macias Hernandez)

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Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:29:03 -0600
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Melchor Reynoso?need proof o f
    parentage (b. ca. 1695) and marriage (ca. 1724)
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Melchor Reynoso—need proof of parentage (b. ca. 1695) and marriage (ca. 1724)

Published by Lawrence Bouett –
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Melchor Reynoso (b. ca. 1695) is the earliest documented Reynoso in the line I am researching in Jalostotitlán. I know it is widely assumed that he is the son of Sebastián Reynoso y Renteria and María Francisca Ramires de Hermosillo, who are documented many times over through the baptisms ((Mariana, Manuel, Francisco, and Juan Toribio) and marriages (Mariana, Miguel Geronimo, and Juan Toribio) of several of their children.

Melchor Reynoso married María de San Juan Gonsales Rubio ca. 1724. I have searched, frame-by-frame, the marriages from Jalostotitlán (FHL Film 279295) between 1720 and 1725, but have been unable to locate the marriage. The marriage is proved by statements in the subsequent marriage records of several of their children (Vicente Ceferino, Joseph Antonio, María Manuela, and Anna Francisca), but I have been unable to locate the 1724 marriage of Melchor.

If anyone has proof of either the marriage of Melchor Reynoso and María de San Juan Gonsales Rubio or the birth of Melchor (which should provide the names of his parents), I should be most grateful.

I have been deeply involved in the online Jalisco records at FamilySearch.org for about seven months and have made spectacular progress on many lines. I hope eventually to be able to provide assistance to others whose lines may cross the ones I am researching; but, in the meantime, I am deeply impressed by the level of research and documentation that is being done by members of this forum (to which, I am new).

Thank you, and good hunting,
Lawrence Bouett

Piratería en datos genealógicos.

Published by Ramirez –
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Hace días leí en un mensaje del señor Guillermo Tovar de Teresa que se detenía en publicar algunos datos genealógicos en nuestro foro porque existen varias personas que se "piratean" los datos obtenidos por los demás con mucho trabajo y esfuerzo. Estoy totalmente de acuerdo con el señor Tovar porque a mi me pasó en una ocasión, la verdad es que yo no tengo mucho tiempo para dedicar a mi hobbie que es la genealogía y por tanto a lo mejor no aporto muchos datos de interés para el grupo, pero recuerdo una ocasión haber dado a conocer los datos de que el genearca de los Vázquez de Lara y Vázquez Zermeño de los Altos de Jalisco se hacía llamar Juan Vázquez de Perea y hasta les di la fuente de mi hallazgo y me ha tocado ver en algunas páginas y genealogías de algunos que ya tienen ese dato que yo di y además tienen hasta mi genealogía en sus páginas y no me dan el reconocimiento debido ni a mi, ni mucho menos citan la fuente de donde se tomó el dato. Creo que si es un poco desanimador el ver estos casos para poder ayudarnos unos a otros. Debemos dar el mérito a quien se merece darle el reconocimiento.

Debemos "educarnos" para así poder aportar los datos que creemos puedan servir a los demás, pero eso si, recibiendo el mérito debido. Espero no caer mal con este mensaje, pero estoy en total acuerdo con el señor Tovar. Apoyémonos unos a otros, dando a cada quien lo que se merece.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.

Guidance

Published by alicebb –
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Dear Group,
I'd like to ask your experienced guidance in the research of my Arrambide branch that has apparently hit a brick wall. 
Martin Arrambide died 11/16/1762 in Salinas Victoria, NL and his burial entry states he was Europeo.  In my experience with family members that were born in Spain, the entries state he was from los Reinos de Espana/Castilla, or something to that effect.  This led me to research the surname Arrambide a bit.  It's probably Basque and possibly from France.
In Israel Cavazos Garza's, Breve historia de Nuevo Leon, he is briefly mentioned as such:  Ya en 1741, el obispo de Guadalajara, don Juan Gomez de Parada, establecio una escuela formal y nombro como maestro a Martin de Arrambide, encargandole mucho la buena educacion de los ninos. 
Does anyone know where to research this type of order or mandate made by the bishop of Guadalajara of that time?  Would this be found in some place other than Diocesis de Guadalajara?  Discovering this would probably yield more information on Martin's origins and possibly his age, either of which would be a great place from which to continue. 
Thank you so much for all your help.     Alice Blake   

Pueblos de Jalisco, Zacatecas, y Aguascalientes

Published by makas_nc –
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I've put links in the links area of the group from the links area of the
old Yahoo Ranchos group. Please have a look and send me new links to
include in this area. I especially need links for Aguascalientes.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13934

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