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I would like to thank Linda Castanon-Long for being so generous in the time that she took to diligently transcribe the Jerez baptism records from the end of the 19th century. She has also been generous enough to post them on our website for all users to download and read at their leisure.

The files can be found in the Files Section under Reference Materials:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jerez_baptisms

Me gustaria darle las gracias a Linda Castanon-Long por ser tan generosa con el tiempo que ha dedicado a transcribir en forma tan diligente los registros de bautismo de Jerez, Zacatecas del fin del siglo XIX. Tambien ha sido tan generosa como para compartir las transcripciones y cargarlas a nuestro sitio para que todos los miembros puedan descargarlas y leerlas a su propio tiempo.

Los archivos se encuentran en la seccion de Archivos-Materiales de Referencia
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jerez_baptisms

Luis:

Nuestros Ranchos member Rick Rodriguez runs a specialty bookstore online specializing in microhistory and genealogy books about Jalisco. He has Volumes 1 and 2 for sale in his online store. You can find the link to his store and other specialty bookstores in the Links Section of the site.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15659

Rick Rodriguez, quien es miembro de Nuestros Ranchos tiene una libreria en linea especializando en libros de microhistoria y genealogia sobre Jalisco. El tiene los tomos 1 y 2 de venta en su tienda en linea. Puedes encontrar el vinculo a su tienda asi como a otras tiendas especializadas en temas similares en la seccion de vinculos del sitio:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15659

awesome!  and congratulations!

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, rosehardy@hotmail.com wrote:

From: rosehardy@hotmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tips for Google Books
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 5:22 PM

I justed wanted to add to the group that I have used Google books for my research. I have Googled people and in fact I've been Googled. Like any search engine it is always best to tailor your search using quote marks. It filters out the junk. While working on my last project I found that my great-great grandfather converted to the Presbyterian religion and was the first church elder in Irwindale, California around 1900. I had found OLD Presbyterian journals in Google books with articles about my g-g grandfather and pictures of the rock church, which still stands to this day.

Google books is always worth a try and if you can't view the book online, at least you have the book information and try to order it on interlibrary loan through the local

I do not know where to find the book but there is a search that you can do
to see if your surname is in the book and how many times it is mentioned. It
looks like it is pretty reliable but I am not sure because I did a search
for Avila and the search said there were 30 pages where Avila was mentioned
but the index in the back of the book has 46 individuals. Some of the
individuals appear on the same page but I am not about to go through the
whole list to see how reliable this search is. Regardless, here is the URL
in case you want to try it out:
http://books.google.com/books?id=r05mAAAAMAAJ&q=avila&pgis=1

Saludos desde Salt Lake City, Utah

I do not know where to find the book but there is a search that you can do to see if your surname is in the book and how many times it is mentioned. It looks like it is pretty reliable but I am not sure because I did a search for Avila and the search said there were 30 pages where Avila was mentioned but the index in the back of the book has 46 individuals. Some of the individuals appear on the same page but I am not about to go through the whole list to see how reliable this search is. Regardless, here is the URL in case you want to try it out: http://books.google.com/books?id=r05mAAAAMAAJ&q=avila&pgis=1

Saludos desde Salt Lake City, Utah

Sunday, May 17, 2009

Dear Daniel--

I checked your names with what I had in Ayo el Chico and could find nothing. Sorry.

Patricia Burton
San Diego

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, mendezdelcamino@live.com wrote:

> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Any help with Ayo El Chico? (Ayotlán)
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 10:41 PM
> Hi all I have this couple Felipe Navarro (ca. 1730) Ma.
> Rosalía de Guzmán (ca. 1735) who had Ma. San Juan baptized
> 6 jul 1763 who married Juan de Aceves? Does anyonehave info
> on this people who have focused on Ayo Elchico or its
> surroundsings Arandas, Tepatitlán, La Barca etc..? Were
> talking from 1730 or so to the late 1700's with this
> family? Many thanks? -Daniel Camino

Cheque:

Para responder a tu pregunta toca saber si has visto los registros si mismos o estas basando los nombres que mencionas solamente de las transcripciones de otros o de la base de datos de los mormones.

Si seriamente quieres tener informacion correcta toca pedir los rollos correspondientes y leerlos en si. Es muy posible que el voluntario que transcribio el bautismo de Maria Canuta Padilla haya leido mal el registro pero no podras saber eso sin leerlo tu mismo. Ademas es posible que el cura o el escribano "se le chispotio" y puso el nombre mal.

Segun la base de datos de los mormones, el matrimonio de los padres de Maria Canuta que se celebro el 6 de mayo de 1809, el novio se llamaba Anastacio asi que ahora tienes tres nombres...

Hola, no sé si tienes este dato? -Daniel Camino

José Santa Ana Gutiérrez, hijo de Ignacio Gutiérrez y Salomé Gutiérrez

Canuta Padilla, hija de Antonio de Padilla y Francisca Pérez del Gallo

casaron 1 oct 1839

en Jalostotitlán

José Ana se bautizó 28 JUL 1815 en San Juan de los Lagos.

. VICTORIANO GUTIERREZ - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Birth: El Tule, , , Mexico

2. SEVERIANO GUTIERREZ - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Birth: El Rancho Del Tule

3. JOSE ANA GUTIERRES - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Birth: El Tule

4. JOSE FRANCO. GUTIERRES GUTIERRES - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 09 MAY 1814 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico

5. JOSE ANA GUTIERRES GUTIERRES - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Christening: 28 JUL 1815 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico

6. JOSE SEBERIANO GUTIERRES GUTIERRES - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender

Cheque:

La base de datos de los Mormones en http://www.familysearch.org tiene lo siguiente. Es la fecha del bautismo. Si quieres saber por seguro, toca que leas el rollo tu mismo. Dira cuantos dias tenia de nacido el niño y asi podras deducir la fecha de nacimiento. Tambien tendra los nombres de los abuelos y de los padrinos... informacion bastante importante.

BENIGNO GUTIERS. PADILLA
Christening: 16 FEB 1842
San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JOSE ANA GUTIERS.
Mother: CANUTA PADILLA
Batch No.: C603397 1840 - 1843 Film No. 0220657

Puedes usar la base de datos de rollos de microfilmacion de este sitio para ir direcatamente a algun libro de registros de un pueblo en particular para una fecha en particular. Yo asi encontre este registro bastante facil.

Rolando,

I did some looking on FamilySearch, and this is what I have been able to
find.

Ahnentafel Chart for Andres A. Romo

First Generation
1. Andres A. Romo was born in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.

Second Generation
2. Claro Romo .Claro married Crisanta Aguilera.
3. Crisanta Aguilera .

Third Generation
4. Jose Bernabe ROMO DIAZ was born in Cienega. He was christened on 26
Jun 1811 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria de Jesus
Moran Aguilera on 5 Feb 1837 in Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche,
Jalisco, Mexico.
5. Maria de Jesus Moran Aguilera .

Fourth Generation
8. JOSE YGNO. ROMO MORAN was christened on 18 Jun 1788 in La
Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He married Maria de Jesus
Dias on 25 Nov 1807 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.

9. Maria de Jesus Dias .

Fifth Generation
16. JOSE MARIA ROMO DE VIVAR .JOSE married Maria MORAN on 30 Jan 1782 in
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco

I actually start searching the state of interest with all of the combinations of names that I can think of. As many of you know there are letters that are interchangeable like Z & S, V & B etc... I was looking for an Alvares on pilot. FAmilySearch.org and finally found the individual of interest spelled as Flvares so when you look in databases do not expect to find the names spelled correctly. As soon as I am finished with the state I search the whole country.

Here are a few more suggestions:

1. At the family history Library the films that you order are free and normally arrive the day after you order them around two in the afternoon. They only let you order five and sometimes six or seven per day. I have a friend who sometimes uses other peoples name to order extra films, (I am not condoning nor recommending this). As others have mentioned once the films are at the library they stay at the library indefinitely.

2. Check the Family History Library Catalog to verify what is there and what needs to be ordered. If the Film says FHL then it is already at the library. However if the film that you need says VAULT, then you need to order it so that it will be waiting for you.

3. Not all of the books are out on the floor so if you find a particular book that you want to read that is not in the regular stacks you can go to the "access services window" (library attendant window) and ask for the book they will then retrieve the item for you, the

That is great to hear that there appears to be a Nuestros Ranchos impromptu reunion in the making. I must say my first trip to Salt Lake was such a great experience thanks to Mickey, Josie, Kitty, Rich and all of the other Ranchos members that I met there.

Some recommendations for your trip:

1. Have a research plan... it is very easy to spend entire days going from film to film and not focusing or achieving much in terms of gathering new information. I have done two types of trips... one where where I had very specific records I wanted to look up so I compiled a list of films, names, etc. and another where I had two films I wanted to read from beginning to end (and scan as much as possible).

2. Make sure that the Library has the films that you will need. Many films are still sitting in the Vault and have to be ordered to the library which can take up to a week. If you notify the Library of the dates that you will be there and what films you will need from the vault, they will

Raymond, what other information do you have on your ancestor, family members time frame etc....

Felix:

El apellido nunca cambio. Si entiendo bien tu mensaje dices que tu bisabuelo se llamaba José Felix Muñoz, pero que en su acta de bautismo? nacimiento? aparece con el apellido Macias.

En mi experiencia, las actas de bautismo muchas veces no llevan apellido, solamente el nombre del niño y de los padres. Los voluntarios que extraen la información asumen (por razones culturales) que el niño lleva el apellido del padre. Pero antes de las reformas borbonicas a principios de los 1800s no había sistema estructurado de apellidos en el mundo hispanoparlante. La gente llevaba el apellido del padre, de la madre o a veces hasta el de abuelos o vecinos.

La abuela de tu bisabuelo se apellidaba Muñoz. Es probable que Miguel Macias se llamara Miguel Muñoz y el padre por pereza o confusión le haya puesto Macias en la acta. Así que el nombre de tu bisabuelo siempre fue Muñoz pero por confusión o pereza hay actas donde los curas (o más bien los escribanos de la iglesia o hasta los

I do not know who the Ygnacio Sánchez de Mendoza who is having children in Jalostotitlán is, but it looks like he might be a brother of Andrea's. This would need to be verified.

Name: Maria Antonia Sanches De La Bas
Gender: Female
Christening date: 03 May 1729
Christening place: NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION, JALOSTOTITLAN, JALISCO, MEXICO
Residence: Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Ygnacio Sanches De Mendosa
Father birth place:
Age of father:
Mother name: Maria Masemiliana De La Bas
Mother birth place:
Mother age:
Batch number: C60320-3
Date range: 1721 - 1735
Record group: Mexico-VR
Film number: 279255
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

I also found a child of Andreas but you will have to verify the information on the film, you might already have this information. Wow almost nine months to the day! You might want to look up the batch number on FamilySearch.org, IGI to see other individuals from that town that were christened during the Date Range of 1721 -1735

I can recommend a great place for dinner- One World Cafe. Delicious, abundant, organic, and affordable -you pay what you can. See their website.

alicia
how long are you considering the trip?

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Salt Lake City research trip anyone??
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 2:46 PM

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Members:

I'm planning a trip to SLC in June or July, I can be flexible on the date and am looking for a female travel partner to SLC.

If any nuestros ranchos ladies are interested, please let me know.

Of course any gentlemen can go too, I'm just looking for a roommate and travel buddy but if a group of people go, male or female and meet up there, that would also be great.

If interested, you can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net.

Regards,
Alicia, San Jose, Calif

Jaime I have a Andres Thadeo De Puga married to Maria Estefania Calvillo,
this Andres is my husband ggggggrandfather. Some of the childrens church
records are listed as "mulatos libres", which I belive the parents where
also mulatos. I am trying to find more information on Andres Thadeo De Puga
and Maria Estefania Calvillo, his dauther Maria Antonia De Puga was born in
Ojocaliente, Zacatecas and the last 3 children are born in Aguascalientes.
Let me know where I can find more information on the Puga Family.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:49 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado Gabai

> Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado Gabai married on May 17 1693 in
> Aguascalientes. Parents of the groom are not listed. Sebastiana is
> daughter of Joseph Delgado and Francisca Gabai. Does any one has
> additional information, specifically what is the relationship of Francisca
> to Ana Francisca Gabay, wife of Lope

Jaime

I found the matrimonial investigation for Andres de Puga and Sebastiana Delgado.

My rather poor Spanish makes it hard to read, but I believe it says in part:

"Andres de Puga, Espanol natural de la Cuidad de Guadalaxa y vezino de esta Villa mas tiempo de ocho anos hijo natural de Antonio Cosin presco ..."

I am pretty sure it says "hijo natural de Antonio" and not "hijo natural de Antonia". I believe the last name is "Cosin" but this does not sound Spanish to me.

It continues

"con Sebastiana Delgado espanola natural y vezino desta Jurisdicion hija lexitima de Joseph Delgado difunto y de Franca Gabay y para que ..."

The others providing statements are Nicolas de Puga, Pedro (I believe, this written on the interior margin of the page so not all the letters are readable) Romo, and Diego Delgado,

The marriage record for Joseph Delgado and Francsica Gabai states ...

"Joseph Delgado nl y vecina de Pinos hijo de Diego Delgado y Jua Dias ... con Franca Gabadi nl de [I'm not

Hi Jaime, its Daniel, lets see if I can explain w/o confusing you. I have all sources if needed,

Sebastiana Delgado de Gabay casó Andrés de Puga, hija de José Delgado y Francisca (II) Navarro de Gabay utilizó el mismo apellido de su abuela. Francisca Navarro de Gabay es hija de Luís Tiscareño de Molina y Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza, quien es hija de don Lope (II) Ruiz de Esparza y Ana Francisca (I) Navarro de Gabay. Im sure youre aware about Lorenza de Esparza being used as descendants names. There's a lots of Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza, etc. So to answer your question Sebastiana would be Lope's great grandaughter, he had MANY grandchildren as you may know! I hope this helps, I think I have some stuff on Andrés but need to check! -Daniel

Joseph,

I just got off the line with the MSN specialist and they said I should start receiving your e-mails within the next 24 hours, and if not, that he would get his research team to work with Dreamhost on the problem.

Thanks,
Emilie

Joseph,

I just saw your message, and I had been on the line with a Resolution specialist at MSN that said they were not blocking Nuestros Ranchos from letting your e-mails come through. He also ran me through tests to show it was not my computer blocking Nuestros Ranchos either.

I am on the line with them again to tell them that you were told that Dreamhost, your new ISP, is being blocked by MSN Live.

I'll let you know what they say.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

Efrain,

I'm interested in what you have on Francisco Gutierrez Rubio (1550 - ?), son
of Diego Gonzales de Hermosillo and Ana Gonzales Florida ....

I had thought that Francisco Gutierrez Rubio was married to Ana Gonzales
Florida - and that he was the son of Diego Gonzales de Hermosillo and Maria
Rubio ..... This was based solely on family search batch #F868025 Sheet:
047

I haven't had a chance to verify this information and so I'm curious as to
what you have and what the source is.

-Angelina-