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Thank you, Alberto for your input, I will try what you suggested. Again,
thank you

Jose Luis Macias
"Zendean"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alberto Duarte" <albertodua@...>

Looking for the origin of a name:
Whenever I cannot find the origin of a name, I enter
the name in google.com and ask the question: what is
the orgin of this name ..........

Most of the time I get a half decent reply that helps.


Alberto

--- zendean <usa20@...> wrote:

> 
> Alberto;
> 
> Many thanks for the comments on Italian and German
> names. I can see you are probably right. I am doing
> a church records of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900.  It
> was cleaver of you to catch that.  But both comments
> are of value to me because now I am more aware of
> the time line for the influx of German and Italian
> names starting in 1945 and later. 
>  The names I am running accross are so unique that
> they resemble a jumbled alphabet. I have been doing
> genealogy extraction for over 8 years and those are
> the first of this kind that I have ever seen in
> hispanic counties. That is why I was hoping for a
> telephone book for Argentina. I need one for Mexico
> soon because I think that will be my next
> assignment. For now I am trying to figure out a name
> that looks like "Useberlitano" or "Vsibrlijano"
> Altibucian, I think.  
> Thank you again. 
> 
> Jose Luis Macias
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...>
> Sent: May 6, 2005 8:26 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Argentine names
> 
> Actually, the Germans and Italians are new arrivals.
> 
> They did not come to Argentina until the end of the
> second world war.  If you review the early history
> of
> Argentina, you will not see the many German and
> Italian names you see now.
> 
> Alberto
> 
> --- readysetgo95814 <nena@...> wrote:
> 
> > Jose Luis,
> > 
> > I know that there has been a significant number of
> > Italian and 
> > German Immigrants in Argentina.  Perhaps that's
> why
> > the names seem 
> > so different from those found in other Latin
> > American countries. 
> > Maybe you could try looking for Italian and German
> > phone books on 
> > the Internet?  The names could've also been
> changed
> > by the priest to 
> > sound more Spanish.  Like the name Lomelin was
> > changed from the 
> > original Italian surname of Lomellini in Mexico. 
> > Just a thought.
> > 
> > Maria

Alberto;

Many thanks for the comments on Italian and German names. I can see you are probably right. I am doing a church records of Baptisms for 1890 to 1900.  It was cleaver of you to catch that.  But both comments are of value to me because now I am more aware of the time line for the influx of German and Italian names starting in 1945 and later. 
 The names I am running accross are so unique that they resemble a jumbled alphabet. I have been doing genealogy extraction for over 8 years and those are the first of this kind that I have ever seen in hispanic counties. That is why I was hoping for a telephone book for Argentina. I need one for Mexico soon because I think that will be my next assignment. For now I am trying to figure out a name that looks like "Useberlitano" or "Vsibrlijano" Altibucian, I think.  
Thank you again. 

Jose Luis Macias

-----Original Message-----
From: Alberto Duarte <albertodua@...>
Sent: May 6, 2005 8:26 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Argentine names

Actually, the Germans and Italians are new arrivals. 
They did not come to Argentina until the end of the
second world war.  If you review the early history of
Argentina, you will not see the many German and
Italian names you see now.

Alberto

--- readysetgo95814 <nena@...> wrote:

> Jose Luis,
> 
> I know that there has been a significant number of
> Italian and 
> German Immigrants in Argentina.  Perhaps that's why
> the names seem 
> so different from those found in other Latin
> American countries. 
> Maybe you could try looking for Italian and German
> phone books on 
> the Internet?  The names could've also been changed
> by the priest to 
> sound more Spanish.  Like the name Lomelin was
> changed from the 
> original Italian surname of Lomellini in Mexico. 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Maria
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "zendean"
> <usa20@e...> wrote:
> > Joseph,
> >     Thank you for the kind words about the work I
> do on 
> extraction. Joseph, I have a problem that I hope
> that you could  
> help   with. When I am doing the names on the
> records I often find 
> strange names and spellings. I had a baby name book
> for naming kids 
> and I wonder if there exists such a book for Latino
> kids. I thought 
> that a phone book would help so I got one for a
> local city that has 

Actually, the Germans and Italians are new arrivals. 
They did not come to Argentina until the end of the
second world war.  If you review the early history of
Argentina, you will not see the many German and
Italian names you see now.

Alberto

--- readysetgo95814 <nena@...> wrote:

> Jose Luis,
> 
> I know that there has been a significant number of
> Italian and 
> German Immigrants in Argentina.  Perhaps that's why
> the names seem 
> so different from those found in other Latin
> American countries. 
> Maybe you could try looking for Italian and German
> phone books on 
> the Internet?  The names could've also been changed
> by the priest to 
> sound more Spanish.  Like the name Lomelin was
> changed from the 
> original Italian surname of Lomellini in Mexico. 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Maria
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "zendean"
> <usa20@e...> wrote:
> > Joseph,
> >     Thank you for the kind words about the work I
> do on 
> extraction. Joseph, I have a problem that I hope
> that you could  
> help   with. When I am doing the names on the
> records I often find 
> strange names and spellings. I had a baby name book
> for naming kids 
> and I wonder if there exists such a book for Latino
> kids. I thought 
> that a phone book would help so I got one for a
> local city that has 
> a lot of Hispanic families. There seems to be a
> limited number of 
> first names and surnames. I need a better source.
> For example, I 
> found a name that looked like "Eulalio Chuc" . I
> have never seen the 
> surname "Chuc" or "Toco" or "Andurate" Moratalla. I
> am doing a 
> church in Argentina and I guess the names are
> different or I am not 
> that familiar with "Oligalla Zulipata". See, I am
> not sure if such 
> names exist or if I am not reading them right. If I
> knew or had seen 
> names like that, then I would recognize them like "
> Jose", "Juan" 
> or "Julio".       You are a helpful person and if
> you can't think of 
> a source for me on this, that is Ok because I am no
> worse off than 
> before. 
> > 
> > Your friend in Family Search,
> > 
> > Jose Luis Macias
> > "Zendean"
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Joseph Puentes 
> >   To: Ciudad_Juarez@yahoogroups.com ; LosRanchos 

Hi Jose Luis,

I found a link to the Italian white pages:  
http://www.paginebianche.it/index.html
For Germany:
http://www.teleauskunft.de/

I did a Google search using their language tools and then selected 
the language and country.  That is how I found the above links. I 
was thinking it might be easier to go to an Argentine Genealogy 
group (like our Ranchos group) and asking them about the surnames.  
That might make it easier to decipher those names.

I sure do appreciate the work that you are doing. The IGI is a great 
resource to us all.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "zendean" <usa20@e...> wrote:
> Dear Maria;
>     Thank you ever so much for your suggestion. Could you tell me 
how to see 
> an Italian or German telephone book on the Internet ? I will 
quickly do what 
> you have suggested. I have done 1890 to 1895 so far for the church 
in 
> Argentina. I still have another 1,800 names to extract before I am 
finished. 
> I will go over the names once again to try any new names that I 
find. I 
> didn't recognize them as Hispanic/Spanish names, they appear 
odd, "Buachasa 
> Lorenjasa", "Julijenta Chuebulan" and others that I have never 
seen before, 
> or they appear spelled as I just spelled them or maybe I mistook 
the letters 
> in the name and they are spelled altogether differently. Also, the 
church 
> fathers making the entries use script and it is so hard to read. 
If they 
> would use calligraphy so I could use my book, that would be fine 
or print, 
> that would be fine. Each new priest has different script writing. 
Some you 
> may be familiar with are that some make a "J" and put a line 
through it and 
> it becomes a "T". Add to it names that are so unfamiliar, you have 
a 
> spelling problem as well as a recognition problem.
>     Again, thank you for taking the time to try  help me. I 
appreciate your 
> kindness very much.
> 
> I wish you happiness,
> 
> Jose Luis Macias
> "Zendean'
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "readysetgo95814" <nena@a...>
> To: <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:49 PM
> Subject: [ranchos] Re: Argentine names
> 
> 
> Jose Luis,
> 
> I know that there has been a significant number of Italian and

 Abstract from SLAVERY IN COLONIAL MEXICO
By John P. Schmal

The Marriages of Slaves in Mexico

The majority of slaves brought to the shores of Mexico were male. With a
lack of female Africans, most of these men eventually chose Indian or
mestizo women as spouses. The long-established Siete Partidas laws of
Spain granted slaves the right to select their spouses. Slave masters
were thus forbidden from intervening in this decision.

Professor Martha Menchaca, the author of Recovering History,
Reconstructing Race: The Indian, Black, and White Roots of Mexican
Americans, observed that "this legislation was of monumental importance
because it became the gateway for the children of slaves to gain their
freedom.

Due to the lobbying efforts of the Catholic Church the children of Black
male slaves and Indian women were declared free and given the right to
live with their mother." With laws that granted freedom to the children
of a slave who married into other racial classifications, it is very
obvious to see the motivation of this class to seek outside partners.

The Spanish practice of classifying people by race was utilized in the
Catholic Church records of Colonial Mexico. While doing extensive
genealogical research into Colonial Mexican church records from the
1600s and 1700s, this author has spent a great deal of time exploring
the marriages of slaves in various parts of Mexico. In areas such as San
Luis Potosí, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and Guanajuato, I have frequently
seen church records that documented the marriages of males slaves to
mestizas, Indians, and mulatas. It is likely that the offspring of these
marriages would have been free individuals.

Dear Maria;

Thank you ever so much for your suggestion. Could you tell me how to see
an Italian or German telephone book on the Internet ? I will quickly do what
you have suggested. I have done 1890 to 1895 so far for the church in
Argentina. I still have another 1,800 names to extract before I am finished.
I will go over the names once again to try any new names that I find. I
didn't recognize them as Hispanic/Spanish names, they appear odd, "Buachasa
Lorenjasa", "Julijenta Chuebulan" and others that I have never seen before,
or they appear spelled as I just spelled them or maybe I mistook the letters
in the name and they are spelled altogether differently. Also, the church
fathers making the entries use script and it is so hard to read. If they
would use calligraphy so I could use my book, that would be fine or print,
that would be fine. Each new priest has different script writing. Some you
may be familiar with are that some make a "J" and put a line through it and
it becomes a "T". Add to it names that are so unfamiliar, you have a
spelling problem as well as a recognition problem.
Again, thank you for taking the time to try help me. I appreciate your
kindness very much.

I wish you happiness,

Jose Luis Macias
"Zendean'

----- Original Message -----
From: "readysetgo95814" <nena@...>

Jose Luis,

I know that there has been a significant number of Italian and 
German Immigrants in Argentina.  Perhaps that's why the names seem 
so different from those found in other Latin American countries. 
Maybe you could try looking for Italian and German phone books on 
the Internet?  The names could've also been changed by the priest to 
sound more Spanish.  Like the name Lomelin was changed from the 
original Italian surname of Lomellini in Mexico.  Just a thought.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "zendean" <usa20@e...> wrote:
> Joseph,
>     Thank you for the kind words about the work I do on 
extraction. Joseph, I have a problem that I hope that you could  
help   with. When I am doing the names on the records I often find 
strange names and spellings. I had a baby name book for naming kids 
and I wonder if there exists such a book for Latino kids. I thought 
that a phone book would help so I got one for a local city that has 
a lot of Hispanic families. There seems to be a limited number of 
first names and surnames. I need a better source. For example, I 
found a name that looked like "Eulalio Chuc" . I have never seen the 
surname "Chuc" or "Toco" or "Andurate" Moratalla. I am doing a 
church in Argentina and I guess the names are different or I am not 
that familiar with "Oligalla Zulipata". See, I am not sure if such 
names exist or if I am not reading them right. If I knew or had seen 
names like that, then I would recognize them like " Jose", "Juan" 
or "Julio".       You are a helpful person and if you can't think of 
a source for me on this, that is Ok because I am no worse off than 
before. 
> 
> Your friend in Family Search,
> 
> Jose Luis Macias
> "Zendean"
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Joseph Puentes 
>   To: Ciudad_Juarez@yahoogroups.com ; LosRanchos 
>   Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:06 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] [Fwd: Somos Primos May 2005 lq]
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   -------- Original Message -------- Subject:  Somos Primos May 
2005 lq 
>         Date:  Mon, 02 May 2005 17:25:40 -0400 (EDT) 
>         From:  MIMILOZANO@a... 
>         To:  MIMILOZANO@a... 
> 
> 
>   Somos Primos  May 2005 
>   http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2005/spmay05/spmay05.htm
> 
> 
>   Hi . .   Hope all are enjoying the many Cinco de Mayo and other 

Dear Group Members:For those of you researching Teocaltiche, Jalisco,
Mexico,  I am viewing a film from the Teocaltiche church records
#0639009, baptisms 1889-1890. I am searching for my maternal
grandmothers' informaton, Juana Fuentes. She married Cresencio Avila,
son of Narciso Avila and Senovia Carrillo, date unknown. If you have
any names during that time line that you want me to look for while I
search, please let me know, I will be happy to do this. Hilda McGuire 

if you are interested in Mexican Churches this is the group for you.
Lots of pictures. Not for our specific area of research but for all of
Mexico.

http://groups.msn.com/MexicanChurches/

joseph