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Alicia,

I agree.  This really must be an exciting finding for Steven.  
I've also wondered how many in the Ranchos group have done a DNA 
study (either Y-DNA or mtDNA) or are considering doing one?

What is gradually showing up by those who have done genetic testing 
is that most of us with Mexican roots have a European paternal 
lineage and a Native American maternal ancestry.

Saludos
Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> wrote:
> Steven,
>  
> How exciting that you found this information and that it's a 
possibility that you may have made a connection with your ancestral 
tribe.
>  
> I feel happy for you and a little envy that you have come so far 
and that you may have Otomi blood lines. Have you by chance done the 
DNA study on anyone in your family? That would be interesting to see 
where it takes you.
>  
> Alicia
> 
> "Steve G. Apodaca" <sgapodaca@y...> wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> I want to share what I recently found and check if anybody is 
> related to these ancestors. A couple days ago, I finally checked 
the 
> marriage record of my ancestors from Los Altos.
> 
> My 2nd greatgrandfather Juan Tapia married my 2nd greatgrandmother 
> Bibiana Martinez in Lagos de Moreno on February 5, 1879. Juan's 
> parents were Atanacio Tapia and Secundina Olivares. Bibiana's 
> parents were Juan Martinez and Matiana Lopez. Before reading this 
> document I just knew that my Tapia ancestros were from "somewhere 
in 
> Los Altos", according to my grandmother. She did not remember where 
> were they from. Now, I know that they were from a rancho near Lagos 
> called Cañada de Ricos. Is anybody familiar with this name? I 
> checked the Jalisco census on the files area and found out that the 
> population in that place is currently less than 100. Well, while 
> surfing the web, using google, I found something very interesting 
> about this rancho. On the Lagos de Moreno official website, I 
> discovered these two entries:
> 
> 
> 17 de (Abril) 1686 El cacique indígena al parecer otomí Joseph 
> Cristobal de Luna y Tapia compra un sitio de ganado menor ( 780 
> has.) y dos caballerías de tierra (85.6 has.) para establecer el 
> poblado de "Cañada de los Indios Ricos" que evolucionaría a la 
> actual colonia Cañada de Ricos.
> 
> 14 de (Mayo) 1935 Se autoriza la fundación del ejido Cañada de 
Ricos 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...> 
wrote:
> There is an easier way to do Spanish Language characters on the 
computer (instead of remembering 3-digit numbers for each character).  
>
> (message clipped)
>
>      There is also a list for other characters that can by typed by 
using ALT plus other keys for the letters U, A, and O with an umwalt 
(sp?), the character for Paragraph, and the one for the upside down 
exclamation point (can't use that last one on MSN Explorer, only 
Outlook Express.  I couldn't find a way to do the upside down question 
mark.   
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, 

Hello Emilie,

I too have my keyboard configured for International English.  As you 
know, in my case Spanish is my native language and English is my second 
one.

Regarding the upside down question mark (or should it be right side 
up), ¿Has intentado usar la combinación de teclas "Alt" a la derecha 
del la barra espaciadora y la tecla con el signo de interrogación?

Saludos
Victor Villarreal

I would like to thank the people who took the time to answer my plea 
for help. I believe I found a solution to the problem, thanks to
Aajay 
suggestions. I was able to export the file with the ".ged" file 
extension.  When I imported it back, it went to my Ancestry Family 
Tree program which also resides on the same drive.

I went back to the PAF program and was not sucessful in my attempts
to 
start a new file.  It looks like the program itself went belly-up.

I don't have a disk for the PAF program. It was downloaded from the 
LDS web site.(for free)  I am not sure whether I want to use that 
program again or to stick with the old one (AFT).

Thank you again everybody.

Thank you Joseph. 

Find the .paf file by doing a search for the name. Right click on the
file and choose properties. Uncheck "read only".

Luna

Joseph Puentes wrote:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Problem
Date: 	Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:51:57 -0700
From: 	John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...>
To: 	Joseph Puentes <makas@...>



Joseph:

I need some help. Do you know if there is anybody out there who is
using the LDS program: PAF 5.2 who might be able to help me with a
problem?

Here's the problem: I was trying to make some changes to my Windows
XP program, but the changes didn't work. I had to reboot my computer
in "Safe Mode" and ran the restore program. Everything started
working again, except for the PAF program.
I can bring it up but it comes up as a "read only" program. I can
view all of my data, I can print it out, but it is not allowing me to
make changes to it or enter new data. I think the computer recovered
the PAF program from the back-up file that was probably "write protected"
I know that there must be a way to fix it, just don't know how... Any
ideas anybody?
The LDS Family Search Center is closed on Monday, I can't get any help
from them today.

Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
Thank you.
1gnzlz@... <mailto:1gnzlz@...>

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John,

It sounds like your genealogy file might be set to read-only.  If you 
open up My Computer (or Windows Explorer) look in the folder where 
you have your genealogy file stored.  The file will have a .PAF 
extension.  Right-click on the file, select properties and see if the 
attribute read-only at the bottom is checked.  If it is, then uncheck 
it and click OK.  That should reset your genealogy database to 
read/write.  It doesn't sound like the PAF program is the culprit, 
but your genealogy database is.  To test my theory you could create a 
brand new genealogy database and see if you can read and write to 
it.  If you can, then my theory is correct.  If not, email and I'll 
help you troubleshoot it.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: 	Problem
> Date: 	Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:51:57 -0700
> From: 	John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@v...>
> To: 	Joseph Puentes <makas@n...>
> 
> 
> 
> Joseph:
>  
> I need some help.   Do you know if there is anybody out there who 
is 
> using the LDS program: PAF 5.2 who might be able to help me with a 
problem?
>  
> Here's the problem: I was trying to make  some changes to my 
Windows XP 
> program, but the changes didn't work.  I had to reboot my computer 
in 
> "Safe Mode" and ran the restore program.  Everything started 
working 
> again, except for the PAF program.
> I can bring it up but  it comes up as a "read only" program. I can 
view 
> all of my data, I can print it out, but it is not allowing me to 
make 
> changes to it or enter new data.  I think the computer recovered 
the PAF 
> program from the back-up file that was probably "write protected"
> I know that there must be a way to fix it, just don't know how...  
Any 
> ideas anybody? 
> The LDS Family Search Center is closed on Monday, I can't get any 
help 
> from them today.
> Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
> Thank you.
> 1gnzlz@v... <mailto:1gnzlz@v...>

Hello.

I want to share what I recently found and check if anybody is 
related to these ancestors. A couple days ago, I finally checked the 
marriage record of my ancestors from Los Altos.

My 2nd greatgrandfather Juan Tapia married my 2nd greatgrandmother 
Bibiana Martinez in Lagos de Moreno on February 5, 1879. Juan's 
parents were Atanacio Tapia and Secundina Olivares. Bibiana's 
parents were Juan Martinez and Matiana Lopez. Before reading this 
document I just knew that my Tapia ancestros were from "somewhere in 
Los Altos", according to my grandmother. She did not remember where 
were they from. Now, I know that they were from a rancho near Lagos 
called Cañada de Ricos. Is anybody familiar with this name? I 
checked the Jalisco census on the files area and found out that the 
population in that place is currently less than 100. Well, while 
surfing the web, using google, I found something very interesting 
about this rancho. On the Lagos de Moreno official website, I 
discovered these two entries:


17 de (Abril) 1686 El cacique indígena al parecer otomí Joseph 
Cristobal de Luna y Tapia compra un sitio de ganado menor ( 780 
has.) y dos caballerías de tierra (85.6 has.) para establecer el 
poblado de "Cañada de los Indios Ricos" que evolucionaría a la 
actual colonia Cañada de Ricos.

14 de (Mayo) 1935 Se autoriza la fundación del ejido Cañada de Ricos 
su ejecución es el 29 de Junio del mismo año. En esta zona se ubicó 
un importante asentamiento indígena a partir de 1686 cuando compra 
estos predios el cacique al parecer otomí Joseph Cristobal de Luna y 
Tapia quien efectúa la operación de compra-venta de estos terrenos 
en San Luis del Río, Querétaro en el citado año.

I wonder if it is all a coincidence that my TAPIA ancestors are from 
Cañada de Ricos, a village founded by an otomi cacique named 
Cristobal de Luna y TAPIA in 1686. Could this individual be my 
gggggggreatgrandfather? Well, I still need to research 200 years of 
Tapia history in order to find a possible connection, but it is 
quite exciting just to imagine that I possibly found the name and 
native tribe of one of my family lines.

Saludos.

Steve

Thank you.  It is good information to know.

Alberto.

--- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...> wrote:

> Joseph: 
> I congratulate you and admire your effort with the
> lenguage. You are doing a great job!  I wish more
> people would follow your example.
> 
> O.K. Joseph here it comes:
> 
> I noticed that lot of people don't know that there
> is a way to type the letter "ñ  on their computers, 
> they always use the letter "n" . It makes a whole
> lot of difference when they use "n"  instead of  "ñ"
>  with horrendous results .  In the case where they
> want to say years = años, they say: anos, which you
> probably already know that it means anus.
> To type the letter  "ñ"  you press the "Alt" key and
> while you hold it pressed you type the number 164 on
> the keypad.  The "ñ"  will appear on the screen as
> soon as you release the "Alt" key.  If you need it
> in upper case the number to use is 165.
> You might want to pass this bit of information to
> the rest of the members, Iam almost sure that there
> are a lot of them that don't know it..
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 1gnzlz@...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Joseph Puentes 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com ;
> longsjourney@... 
>   Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:12 AM
>   Subject: Re: [ranchos] Genealogia Diaz del
> Castillo/Martin del Campo
> 
> 
>   Francisco,
> 
>   Saludos. . .ojala que estes bien. [John Ayudame
> con mi Espanol. . .voy hacer la lucha].
> 
>   No se que decirte. Paco, otros miembros,y  Yo 
> (pero no todos) estamos usando el "Family Tree
> Maker." Pero creo que algunos estan poniendo su
> informacion en "Ancestry" y copiando en "Word" y
> mandandomelo a mi. Estoy mandando esto ha Erlinda
> Castanon-Long (longsjourney@...) para ver
> como ella lo hace.
> 
>   [Erlinda, how are you making up your nice
> Genealogy reports and putting them into Word?
> Francisco has his work almost complete but wants to
> do the same thing that you recently did. since I
> don't use Ancestry I haven't a clue how to advise
> him.]
> 
>   Francisco,  tambien te  quiero decir que yo
> prefiero que mandes tu trabajo genealogico en un
> "informe genealógico" y no en Arbol. Yo creo que los
> Arboles son muy específicos y los Informes tienes la
> misma informacion y mucha mas. 
> 

Saludos Francisco,

yo no tengo informacion de los Diaz del Castillo. Nomas queria decir que
cuando estas listo para mandar su genealogia de Martin del Campo digame
y hago un "Folder" para su informacion. Es mirado los genealogias de los
otros en el grupo que son Martin del Campo de Los Altos de Jalisco?

joseph



Francisco Martin Lara wrote:

>Me puede alguien informar si hay algunos datos de los Diaz del
>Castillo, supuestamente originarios de Zacatecas?
>
>Gracias
>
>     Francisco Martin
>
>
>
>
>
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I am confident that the answer to this question is yes. Having said that
I'm not sure what Mexico's rules are with regards to when that info
becomes public. I've seen census books available and I'll try to find
info about these books. I think they are generic in nature just giving
population and employment information.

joseph

Margarita Vallazza wrote:

Does Mexico have records of its censuses? Marge:)
On Jun 16, 2005, at 7:19 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

Does Mexico have records of its censuses? Marge:)

On Jun 16, 2005, at 7:19 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

-------- Original Message --------

Subject:

[Ciudad_Juarez] census records

Date:

Thu, 16 Jun 2005 04:58:40 -0600

From:

gmccrary@...

Reply-To:

Ciudad_Juarez@yahoogroups.com

To:

Ciudad_Juarez@yahoogroups.com





Check with your local library to see if they subscribe to Heritage

Quest. If they do library patrons are given a password and can

access the census records for no charge.



Gloria









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