mt dna testing/GaryFelix
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here is Gary Felix' answer to some questions by Linda Castanon-Long
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Joseph's DNA
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I've introduced my knowledge to the subject as far as I can. I defer
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Racial Classifications was Moorish or Slave
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Esperanza, Thanks so much for the information. This really helps me with my research on my mother's side. She was from that 500-year-old gene pool from Juarez-New Mexico. What is that site? Can you e-mail me the link at auntyemfaustus@... ? Thanks, Emilie Garica Port Orchard, WA.
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Ranchos 2
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well I'm just so happy you asked that question. I sent out invitations
to Ranchos2 to every new member. Some accept the invite others don't or
there are other reasons for not being a member (hey maybe its moderator
error). Regardless of the reason all one needs to do is ask and an
invite will be sent to them. Accept the invite and I'll have to process
your request and you're in.
there is a link in the links area of "Ranchos" called "Ranchos2" (off
all things) and that will take you to a link that if you click on it
will take you to the files area of Ranchos2 (which by the way is
currently at 83%capacity, which means I might need to get my wife to
open up a briefcase of her own one day soon and have her donate it to
the Ranchos group to accomodate the non-genealogy stuff for the group).
the invite is on its way for you Natalie,
also there are a few others of you that are not members but if you're
happy not having access to Ranchos2 then I'm happy. If sometime in the
near future that happiness begins to fade just let me know and I'll be
glad to send you an invite.
Ranchos membership is 86 Ranchos2 membership is 79 Natalie wrote:
Where can I find information regarding how to properly access the files
in Ranchos 2? How does one become a member? Thanks for your help.
Natalie Yahoo! Groups Links
Racial Classifications was Moorish or Slave
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http://www.theblacklist.net/Afro-Mexicans.htm
http://faculty.washington.edu/qtaylor/Courses/313_AAW/313_manual_cp_01.htm
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Ranchos 2
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Where can I find information regarding how to properly access the files in Ranchos 2? How does one become a member? Thanks for your help. Natalie
Racial Classifications/DIGEST!!!
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there was a lot of confusion and variation, it seems, with this race
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Joseph's DNA
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Someone else in the group said "gato por oso". That is easier for me to say than "liebre". I am not familiar with any Spanish sayings, unfortunately It was all new to me. Emilie
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Joseph's DNA
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I had never heard it said gato por oso meaning a cat disguised as a bear. Rather I have always heard it and used as gato por liebre, meaning a cat in the guise of a hare. Different animal, same meaning.
Alicia
Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:
Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote:
So, Joseph, I couldn't make out a thing on your DNA results. I guess I am a surumata. So, are you in the haplogroup for African-Black or for Moroccan-Berber? What other haplogroups are you in? All those numbers scared me. How could I ever explain such a thing to my cousin? Maybe the researchers are handing us a gato por oso?
Emilie
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Yndio Genizaro
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Based on the little I have read, "genizaro" (accent on i) is derived from the word Janizary. That particular word has many different spellings. It originally meant an infantryman in the Turkish army in the Middle Ages. The Spanish royal academy's dictionary says that the word is used to denote any type of racially mixed person. I have come across the word in the LDS records for la Villa de Guadalupe in El Paso del Norte. The Spanish used it to denote a person who had been "rescued" from the Mohammedan faith and been made a christian. In Nuevo Mexico the Spanish used the term when referring to abducted indigenous children who had been baptized. The barbarians from Europe would invade communities which they believed were inhabited by "apaches". The good christian citizens would kidnap children (murdering their families if they objected) and take them home to be baptized. The children of course would be given a "better life" as servants or slaves of their captors. I have two Chiricahua grandmothers and a Piro ggggGrandfather. You might detect a slight favoritism toward those people in the way I express my self. David Delgado <dpdelgado@... > -----Original Message----- From: Erlinda Castanon-Long <longsjourney@...> Sent: Jun 22, 2005 9:30 PM To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ranchos] Moorish or Slave In matters of race in the church records from Mexico I don't think the people being recorded had any idea what was being put in the record for nationality. I have in one family, Mejia from the District of Jerez, 5 children with 4 different nationalities listed. Mother is listed as Espanol, father is listed as Indio. Their children are listed as 1. Espanol, 2. Mulato, 3, Indio, 4 Mestiso and 5. Espanol... I have to assume some children were darker than others so the scribe made the decision what nationality they were making the records unreliable as to nationality. Also it would be to the advantage of the family to have a child listed as Espanol so I wonder if bribes were ever paid to insure the record would read Espanol.. just a thought. Linda Emilie Garcia <auntyemfaustus@...> wrote: Joseph,
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There's a folder for it in Ranchos 2. I found a book that gave a little background and some pictures. Here's the link, and definitely blow up the link of the page of classifications so it's readable:
Rosalinda
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I could be wrong (my memory comes and goes with this stuff called menopause - should be called memorypause), but I think coyote was a term used to describe the mixed blood of Indians and African.
There was a chart (perhaps someone can recall it here?) that described the various labels placed on the mixture of "races" during the early part of the conquest, when race delineation was seen as important by the Spanish. I'll keep looking for this chart, but in the meantime, perhaps someone else on the board has easy access to it for reference?
Esperanza
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Moorish or Slave
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face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> I could be wrong (my memory comes and goes with this stuff called menopause - should be called memorypause), but I think coyote was a term used to describe the mixed blood of Indians and African. There was a chart (perhaps someone can recall it here?) that described the various labels placed on the mixture of "races" during the early part of the conquest, when race delineation was seen as important by the Spanish. I'll keep looking for this chart, but in the meantime, perhaps someone else on the board has easy access to it for reference? Esperanza
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Joseph's DNA
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So, Joseph, I couldn't make out a thing on your DNA results. I guess I am a surumata. So, are you in the haplogroup for African-Black or for Moroccan-Berber? What other haplogroups are you in? All those numbers scared me. How could I ever explain such a thing to my cousin? Maybe the researchers are handing us a gato por oso? Emilie Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com |
Moorish or Slave
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Joseph, I guess what I meant is that an African slave, to me, was one like the ancestors of the African-Americans and Negroes of Brazil. In facial features and body type they look to me like the tribes found on the Ivory Coast or Gold Coast of Africa, and not like the North Africans (Ethiopians and Moroccans) that the Moors in Spain were descended from. I heard of stories of Moors who came to the New World with the Conquistadores. I didn't think they were slaves, more like indentured servants who could be freed. I have seen the descriptions of people in the microfilmed records as Negro, Mulato, Mestizo, Coyote, and Yndio, but not in relation to anyone of my ancestors I could identify. They were all (until 1821) identified as Espanol. After 1821, there are no descriptions as to race. In my family it is known that my mother's side had Piro Indian blood around her grand-father's time. He was born around 1854, and my father told me that he was a Mestizo, even though he was not dark or curly-haired like his cousins. I couldn't figure out what "coyote" meant. I guess it means "Native"? I also have seen Yndio Genizaro as a description. Wonder what that means.
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Hello Steve, I don't think I would be able to explain it better than one of those ready made tutorials available online. Take a look at a couple of links: http://www.dnaheritage.com/tutorial1.asp (follow the series) http://www.familytreedna.com/dna101.html As you know, the Y chromosome has segments of genetic material that pass practically unchanged from father to son, except in those rare cases where a mutation occurs. The numbers you ask about represent a count of the so called Short Tandem Repeats or STRs at specific locations in the DNA molecule. When a mutation happens the count of STRs can increase or decrease usually by one count. These mutations tend to accumulate over generations at varying rates which can help to calculate or approximate the "genetic distance" between two related persons who share a common ancestor. I don't know if I'm being clear enough so I'll stop here! Anyway, read some of those documents online and then come back to share your thoughts again. Victor --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Steve G. Apodaca" <sgapodaca@y...> wrote: > After all this conversation, I got really interested about submitting > my DNA as well as my Tapia DNA through an uncle. Another member and > possible primo (Angel Cervantes) encouraged me to do it in the past. > Well, in the next couple months I will probably get several samples > from different family lines. (As soon as I get the cash for it) > > I just have a question, maybe I just need to read Gary Felix's website > more carefully. Is there a table or something that explains what do > all those numbers on the tables mean? Also, what is the difference > between 12, 25 and 37 marker? What does it mean? > > Steve.
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Joseph, You said not to ask, but now I will have to chase after this entry from the Ministry of Education of Peru? Thanks so much for finding the word, anyway. The research should keep me out of trouble for a while, since I have always wondered where Daddy got that word. Emilie
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Moorish or Slave DNA
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Hello, I run the New Mexico DNA Project, the issue about African and Moorish women is this: Haplogroup L and all sub-haplogroups: African Black Haplogroup Ub6: Moorish/Berber (North African) this is genetic code that is equivalent to E3b on the Y-DNA. If your haplogroup L your ancient fore-mother was Black African, if your haplogroup Ub6 your ancient fore-mother was Moorish/Berber. Saludos, Angel New Mexico DNA Project Project Administrator ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Moorish or Slave
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I really couldn't say one way or the other. the MtDNA results are my
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joseph's Y DNA: What do the results mean?
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After all this conversation, I got really interested about submitting my DNA as well as my Tapia DNA through an uncle. Another member and possible primo (Angel Cervantes) encouraged me to do it in the past. Well, in the next couple months I will probably get several samples from different family lines. (As soon as I get the cash for it) I just have a question, maybe I just need to read Gary Felix's website more carefully. Is there a table or something that explains what do all those numbers on the tables mean? Also, what is the difference between 12, 25 and 37 marker? What does it mean? its embarrasing but I don't really understand it all src="gifYQMsZSALqV.gif" height="1" width="1"> |
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