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After all this conversation, I got really interested about submitting 
my DNA as well as my Tapia DNA through an uncle. Another member and 
possible primo (Angel Cervantes) encouraged me to do it in the past. 
Well, in the next couple months I will probably get several samples 
from different family lines. (As soon as I get the cash for it)

I just have a question, maybe I just need to read Gary Felix's website 
more carefully. Is there a table or something that explains what do 
all those numbers on the tables mean? Also, what is the difference 
between 12, 25 and 37 marker? What does it mean?

Steve.

I've heard "taruga" and "tarada" growing up too.  "Tonta" is another 
synonym.  I have to admit I call my own kids some of those names from 
time to time. Just trying to keep the tradition going...  :)

I wonder if it's because our culture hasn't gotten on the politically 
correct bandwagon? I thought about that when President Fox made that 
statement about our gente taking jobs "that even Blacks won't take". 
The Mexican response to the American one was that it wasn't meant to 
offend. Understanding our cultura the way I understand it I knew that 
to be true. However, Fox was criticized because; as some pointed out, 
he was educated here in the States and should've known better.

Maria

p.s. Another word that I remember hearing is "vaquetón".  This one 
means rascal or something along those lines.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
> I've heard "tarugo"  and "tarado".  Tarugo as in "como eres 
tarugo"   Not being very smart,  almost like "como eres menso".  
Tarugo, tarado, and menso are used in about the same context.
> I know, I've been called all three at different times!
> 
> John 
> 
> 1gnzlz@v...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: latina1955@a... 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:26 PM
>   Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Name Calling
> 
> 
>   "Tarayata" sounds linked to "taragua" which I was often called 
because I was considered lazy when I was younger - I simply didn't 
enjoy doing the household chores while my brothers were out 
playing :).  Perhaps the "tara" portion is the relationship in a 
similar base language, which be in this area of discussion!
> 
>   Esperanza
> 
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Joseph,

You are probably right.  It must be the 12 marker.  I was speaking 
off the top of my head and probably got it wrong. He did it on his 
own, before Gary Felix had anything posted about it on his website.

Well, I hesitate putting out there in a public website without 
getting his permission. I thought it would be okay to post it here 
because this is a smaller, more private group. Maybe I'll mention it 
to him again.

He might be more apt to posting it if Gary invites him to join. It 
won't be his pesky sister telling him what to do. ;)

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> 
> readysetgo95814 wrote:
> 
> >I've been following the discussion on the DNA testing with much 
> >interest. My brother did the 9 marker test, but did not post his 
> >results on Gary Felix's page.
> >
> did he do it thru the Felix study or just on his own? I haven't 
heard of 
> the 9 marker test. Was this awhile back? I thought that 12 was 
minimum, 
> but probably my lack of knowledge is showing through.
> 
> >  I did mention it to him, but either he's 
> >not interested or it just slipped his mind.  I have a copy of the 
> >results and would be interested in posting the results on this 
site if 
> >Joseph decides to collect that data.
> >
> Well I think it would be better to let Gary Felix know about it and 
post 
> it there. I would be willing to post the results in the files area 
but 
> truthfully they would be there only to encourage other members to 
> consider doing their own DNA study. On Gary Felix's site he could 
guide 
> you and help with some understanding and other readings to get up 
to 
> speed on the subject if you needed it.
> 
> I also know there are at least two databases where you can post the 
> results to see if you match up to anyone.
> 
> I'm going to include Gary Felix in this conversation to see if he 
would 
> like to comment at this time.
> 
> >  I haven't done much research on 
> >my own regarding this subject, and I am happy to see that we have 
> >several people in this group with so much knowledge to share.
> >
> >Maria
> >
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> >
> >p.s. My brother's haplogroup is R1b. Our surname is Sanchez and 3 
of 
> >our grandparents were from the Los Altos de Jalisco area. The 4th 

readysetgo95814 wrote:

I've been following the discussion on the DNA testing with much
interest. My brother did the 9 marker test, but did not post his
results on Gary Felix's page.

did he do it thru the Felix study or just on his own? I haven't heard of
the 9 marker test. Was this awhile back? I thought that 12 was minimum,
but probably my lack of knowledge is showing through.

I did mention it to him, but either he's
not interested or it just slipped his mind. I have a copy of the
results and would be interested in posting the results on this site if
Joseph decides to collect that data.

Well I think it would be better to let Gary Felix know about it and post
it there. I would be willing to post the results in the files area but
truthfully they would be there only to encourage other members to
consider doing their own DNA study. On Gary Felix's site he could guide
you and help with some understanding and other readings to get up to
speed on the subject if you needed it.

I also know there are at least two databases where you can post the
results to see if you match up to anyone.

I'm going to include Gary Felix in this conversation to see if he would
like to comment at this time.

I haven't done much research on
my own regarding this subject, and I am happy to see that we have
several people in this group with so much knowledge to share.

My wife is from Los Altos, Jalisco, and she uses both
words when she is mad.

Alberto.

--- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@...> wrote:

> I've heard "tarugo"  and "tarado".  Tarugo as in
> "como eres tarugo"   Not being very smart,  almost
> like "como eres menso".  Tarugo, tarado, and menso
> are used in about the same context.
> I know, I've been called all three at different
> times!
> 
> John 
> 
> 1gnzlz@...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: latina1955@... 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:26 PM
>   Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Name Calling
> 
> 
>   "Tarayata" sounds linked to "taragua" which I was
> often called because I was considered lazy when I
> was younger - I simply didn't enjoy doing the
> household chores while my brothers were out playing
> :).  Perhaps the "tara" portion is the relationship
> in a similar base language, which be in this area of
> discussion!
> 
>   Esperanza
> 
> 
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Hola Francisco,

Tengo mucho interes en ver tu información genealogica. Yo tengo 
varios ancestros con el apellido Martín del Campo. Mi apellido 
materno es Díaz, pero no se si fué Díaz del Castillo, Díaz de Sandi o 
Díaz Infante. El Díaz mas lejano que tengo en record es José Antonio 
Díaz, nacido entre 1740-1748. Tres de mis abuelos fueron nacidos en 
Los Altos de Jalisco. Te invito a que revises mi archivo y dime si 
encuentras alguna rama en común.

Saludos,

María Cortez

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Francisco Martin 
<franciscomartinjalisco@y...> wrote:
> Hola Joseph.
>  
>    ya esta casi terminada, fue de gran utilidad la informacion de 
Francisco Hernandez, por cierto te queria preguntar que software, 
utilizan para hacer el arbol genealogico que lo pone en recuadro a 
cada una de las personas. ya que el de Ancestry, no lo pone y solo 
maneja una sola rama a la vez o me podrias informar como hacerle para 
bajarlo y avisrte?
>  
>   Por cierto la semana pasada estuve en Los Angeles y San Diego, 
por favor dime donde estas para cuando valla localizarte.
>  
>   Saludos
>  
>       Francisco Martin
>  

I've been following the discussion on the DNA testing with much 
interest. My brother did the 9 marker test, but did not post his 
results on Gary Felix's page.  I did mention it to him, but either he's 
not interested or it just slipped his mind.  I have a copy of the 
results and would be interested in posting the results on this site if 
Joseph decides to collect that data.  I haven't done much research on 
my own regarding this subject, and I am happy to see that we have 
several people in this group with so much knowledge to share.

Maria

p.s. My brother's haplogroup is R1b. Our surname is Sanchez and 3 of 
our grandparents were from the Los Altos de Jalisco area. The 4th 
grandparent was from Tizapan Jalisco (near Lake Chapala).

I wonder if anyone in the group knows the meaning of two words used by my parents to chide us when we were children.  My mother, a Native American-Mexican from New Mexico used to call me "surumata".  My father, who was from Jerez, Zacatecas, used to call me "tarayata".  What are these names?  Are they Indian tribes, or what?

 

Thanks,

  

   Emilie Garcia

   Port Orchard, WA

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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> I don't know what version of Windows other people are using.  I am 
using Windows XP Home Edition and when I press the Alt+? I get 
nothing, just a pleasent little sound. I tried both Alt keys.
> I am sticking with Alt+168, it hasn't failed me yet!  As far as the 
exclamation symbol is concerned, I just do it the old fashion way: 
Shift +1. 
> 
> 
> John Gonzalez  
> 1gnzlz@v...

Esperanza,

Regarding the question addressed to me, my haplotype is indeed listed 
at Gary Felix's web page among the Villarreal surname list.  I have 
several genetic matches or near matches, including your cousin 
Homero, all of whom have been newly rediscovered distant cousins to 
me.  

Our DNA shows the very high likelihood of sharing a common ancestor 
but at 6 generations back so far on my paternal lineage I still 
haven't found where our genealogical branches join, which means that 
it is a little further back into the previous century.  I'm still 
following the paper trail!  One very exciting discovery is that as we 
look deeper into our Nuevo León roots we're finding that they lead 
back to Zacatecas.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, latina1955@a... wrote:
>   
> Hi Prima,
> I am curious about your brother's DNA - what was he able to learn.  
In lieu of our possible connection, I would be extremely 
curious....If you look at Gary Felix's chart, I am related to Homero 
Villarreal several times over (surnames include Villarreal, Bermea, 
Trevino) from both my paternal grandparents!
>  
> From my limited understanding about Jewish culture, it seems that 
there was a definite separation of the three "tribes", generally kept 
that way by the use of their last names and religious customs.  
Because of this and the relatively slow migration patterns that 
occured in early history, there appears to be a definite correlation 
between certain Jewish sects, in their DNA.  I could be 
mistaken.......The way it was explained to me by several Jewish 
friends:  a Cohnan can only marry another proven Cohnan though the 
paternal line.  This is the "highest sect", but according to my 
friends, they feel it is a way to subjugate the other "tribes".  All 
other sects were allowed to inter-marry with each other, or even a 
woman was allowed to marry outside their ancestry, as it has 
generally been accepted that "Judaism" can be passed by the mother - 
this, in part, is believed to have occurred when religious and 
cultural persecution could not determine by their absolute means the 
paternal Jewish link. 
>  
> As you know, the northern part of Mexico (Nuevo Leon & Coahuila) 
was reportedly settled by Sephardic Jews, but I think the jury is 
still out in terms of the definitiveness of what particular "tribe" 
from which they descended - there are many speculations, but because 

Emilie,

Those two words are definitely not found in the dictinary of the "Real 
Academia Española".  

I'm familiar with one similar word "zurumbato" or "zurumbata" in its 
feminine gender.  I ignore its true meaning or origin but in the 
context that I remember hearing that adjetive it was always applied to 
someone with a poor head, like stunned or stupid, in the sense of a 
temporary mental numbness.  For example, "andaba bien zurumbato".

This link below shows another example.  Just click and scroll down to 
example 16:

http://www.aaanet.org/sla/jla/wea_13_2_haney_clips.htm

The other word, "tarayata" I really don't remember.

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...> 
wrote:
> I wonder if anyone in the group knows the meaning of two words used 
by my parents to chide us when we were children.  My mother, a Native 
American-Mexican from New Mexico used to call me "surumata".  My 
father, who was from Jerez, Zacatecas, used to call me "tarayata".  
What are these names?  Are they Indian tribes, or what?
> 
> Thanks,  
>     
>    Emilie Garcia
>    Port Orchard, WAGet more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer 
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Joseph,

I have done the DNA testing for the lines of my four grandparents. I think it would be 
interesting to have everyone share this information with the rancho group if they feel wish to 
do so. As you know, Gary Felix has a nice review of Y-DNA results on Mexican-American 
males, who are participating in his project via Family Tree DNA, http://members.tripod.com/
~GaryFelix/index63.htm.

Ed