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i wonder if your madera are related to the ones in colotlan

The rest is mostly about the stuff related to the inheritance given to the church I think it goes like this (the double ?? symbol are for words I can't make or I am not quite sure what they are), also I add some commas. I think it is "pesos" but I am not 100 per cent sure.

"En el pueblo de Nochistlan en doce dias del mes de noviembre de mill y seisisentos y settenta y tres años aviendo resivido los santos sacramentos murio Juan Duran español vezino de esta feligrecia dueño de esta, de edad de mas de ochenta años cassado con Regina de Aguayo, otorgo testamento ?? esta en honce deste presente mes y año ante Melchor de Sandobal (theniente de) Alcalde Mayor. se manda enterrar ensta parroquia ?? le enterre Con Missa Cantada de Requien de cuerpo presente, consu vijilia, deja mandas por cosas y dies pesos? a la Capilla de el Sanctissimo Sacramento de este dhicho pueblo, y un novenario de Missa y resados por sus almas, enesta Parrochia, deja por Albaceas a ?? ?? Y a Andres Duran y Nicolas

Linda,

I think what happened is some time after certain longer films were indexed, familysearch reorganized and cut up some of the films into parts (check to see if those films have parte 1, parte 2, etc in their titles now).

What I had to do is some math: Parte 1 films should match Katy's numbers, but when you get to the end of parte 1, and go to the film with the parte 2 title, you have to subtract the image number that was indexed from the first number on the new film page.

See this index:
http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/post/80839559488/matrimonios-185…

Now, part 3 is is in reference to Katy's site, not familysearch, so disregard that for now.

We'll look for the first index, on image 904, Jesus Serrano. That obviously does not match the film linked here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18429-39494-12?cc=1874591&wc…

The film is 628 images long, with the link taking you to image 2. Notice the first image indexed

For the progenitor of this family I have seen both Sancho Ruiz de Esparza, spouse Juana Zariquiegui, as well as Simon Ruiz de Esparza, and spouse Graciana de Vici.

From both of these are similar lines of descent to Lope Ruiz de Esparza of Aguascalientes. The posted genealogies have either secondary references (some links for which are broken), or no references at all.

Is there any available documentation for this family?

Apparently related to this family (Sancho Ruiz de Esparza) is the little booklet "La Familia de Atondo y la Genealogia de S. Francisco de Javier)" published in Pamplona in 1920. Do a google search for "La Familia de Atondo" and you can down load the pdf. Sancho Ruiz de Esparza, according to this booklet, is the great-great-grandfather of St. Francisco de Javier.

There is nothing on the male descendants of Sancho Ruiz de Esparza in this booklet.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Jorge Gonzalez esparza. recientemente estuve en pamplona para festejar las fiestas de san fermin y me llamo la atencio ver con frequencia el apellido esparza pordoquier. carniceria esparza. etc. tambien las tradiciones antiguas como los famosos churros que son deliciosos y sin duda la fiesta taurina. El apellido esparza es navarro. Por cierto el sello de el apellido es rojo y blanco con un lobo. muy interesante

Your 9th great-grandmother María Lorenza Tiscareño de Huerta was baptized 31 Aug 1683 at Parroquia de la Asunción in Aguascalientes. She was 15 days old when baptized, and thus born on 16 Aug 1683. Lorenza was the daughter of Francisco Tiscareño, mestizo, and María González de Huerta, also mestiza. Her father Francisco Tiscareño was the natural son of Capt. Juan Tiscareño with an unmarried woman (name unknown), probably a local indian because Francisco was said to be a mestizo. Francisco was born out of wedlock while Juan Tiscareño was still single, before he married Isabel Romo de Vivar. This is explained in the following excerpt from Juan Tiscareño's final will and testament:

"iten declaro para el descargo de mi conciencia que antes del Primero matrimonio tube un hijo natural llamado Francisco Tiscareño hijo de mujer soltera i libre para contraer matrimonio sin impedimentos declarolo asi para que conste i en esta conformidad mando se le de del remaniente del quinto de mis

Hi Juanita. I'm from Nochistlan. I have known about this book. I live in Ca and only UC Berkeley library has it. Where did you get the book from?

José de Jesús Legaspi
213-247-5020
Sent from my PDA

On Nov 18, 2012, at 11:10 AM, juanitahenniger@msn.com wrote:

> I finally received this copy from my local library and I will have it for a few weeks. Let me know if you would like something looked up.
> Juanita
>

do they have books similar to that one about the cities of jerez, tlatenango, colotlan,tepetongo, or huejucar by any chance

Juanita,

Hi there might that book have anything on the De Armas family.

Rosalva Jordan

Juanita, what information do you have on the Duran family who lived in Nochistlan around El Aguacate and La Noche Buena?

Thanks.

Este es el dato que em falta y donde he estado detenido por meses.
Espero que sea el mismo ya que de ese nombre se deprenden una linaje muy extenso hasta la fecha. El problema radica en que el era hijo natural de Jose Martin de ARAIZA con Catarina Piña y no se sabe si ese Jose Martin de Araiza sea el miso que oficialmente casó con Geronima Campos Teran ( o tambien Teran Campos).

Tal vez casó varias veces y todos provenimos del mismo Jose Martin de Araiza. Presumo que ese Jose Valentin nacio por 1784 ya ue su acta amtrimonial menciona que tenia 31 años en 1815. Viudo de Petra Ovalle (Obaye)..

Si? A ver si encuentras nombre "Antonio Madera" aproximente nacio en 1660 y fallecio antes de 1709. Estuve en Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico y por "Minillas" o "Rancho Palmitos" estuvo casado con "Maria De La Candelaria.

Son mis TTTTTTT Abuelos. Tuvieron un hijo: "Joseph Madera (1684 - 1734) que estuvo casado con Josepha Basquez (Velasquez?) - (Minillas), Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico

Luego ellos tuvieron hijo: Blas Madera que estuvo casado con Maria Theresa Abila

Puedes ver si hay algo sobre Alvaro Sanchez de Guzman?
Vivía en el primer tercio del siglo XVII en Autlán, hoy Jalisco. Estaba casado con Francisca Corona. Todavía vivían en 1636.
El apellido de D. Alvaro sería Guzmán, pues el Sanchez es patronímco, probablemente.

Gracias y suerte!
Sergio Salés

yes i'm pretty sure teresa is a daughter of catalina cid caldera(unless it turns out he married twice)

i don't know if the teresa who married pedro jose contreras is the same one who married alejandro fernandez since i can't find a marriage record for either couple.

i do know that teresa and alejandro had at least three kids together: celedonio, gertrudis, and juan. alejandro has a brother named gregorio and a sister named matiana.

Thanks for sharing the link to the website. The 1824 map is very detailed and has the names of many small "ranchos" too.

V.Q.C.

Nice find! that map of Jalisco is quite interesting, I just corroborated one town I couldn't exactly locate before (regardless of the map not been geographically exact of course), Thank you for the link, lots of interesting old documents there! Here is another place with lots of maps, some even downloadable with free accounts in case anyone has miss it.

Old Maps

RJ Quiralte

¿De donde sacaron que Bernabé Rodríguez Picaso casado con Tomasina de Hijar Bracamonte era oriundo de Nochistlán?

La relacion que se ha establecido entre los Rodriguez Picaso y los Hijar Bracamonte, perttenece al capítulo de la "genealogía ficción". Ese enlace no tiene ninguna base documental. No existe ninguna acta de bautizo de Bernabé Rodríguez en Nochistlán y la Hijar Bracamonte que pretenden adjudicarle como su esposa no esta fundada en su relación con la familia de ese apellido procedente de Compostela y establecida en Guadalajara. No hay bases documentales y por ello considero que esto es una vacilada.

GTT

Hi Katy,

I would be interested in helping. I sent you and email with a couple additions for your blog, but don't know if you got it.

Greetings,
(Sergio) Sean Salés

...according to the pop-up window I got when I tried to access the site you provided. I copied and pasted the site and my Chrome browser blocked it due to malware identified on the site.

The topic of your post, traveling artists of Mexico, sounds very interesting and I'll have to look into it. You may want to edit your original post, though, to prevent others from possible malware damage and problems with their computers and files due to malware on that site.

Thanks,

Sandra Velez