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I found a Jose Manuel Romo de Vivar in Aguas. at:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

Jose Carlos de Leon

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To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:11:37 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ayuda....Help.......Ojuelos de Jalisco

Hola a Todos,

Estoy intentando encontrar antepasados de Ojuelos de Jalisco. No encuentro nada de la gente aquí abajo acepto unos casamientos. Aurelio es mi linaje directo. Si hay alguien que me puede ayudar lo agradecería mucho.

Gracias.
Sofía

Hello Everyone,

I am trying to find these ancestors from Ojuelos de Jalisco. I can’t find more info then a couple of marriages of the people here below. Aurelio is my direct line. If someone can please help me I would really appreciate it.

Thank you.
Sofia

José Guadalupe Martínez Dávila : Dec. 18, 1864
        married April 20, 1885 to: Gregoria Rodríguez

Maria Andrea Martínez Dávila: Nov. 19, 1868

*Aurelio Martínez Dávila* : Nov. 11, 1870
        he was a widower, but I don’t know the woman’s name
        era vuido pero no connosco

> José Guadalupe Martínez Dávila : Dec. 18, 1864
> married April 20, 1885 to: Gregoria Rodrígue
> Maria Andrea Martínez Dávila: Nov. 19, 1868

y su hermana Maria del Refugio 11 jul 1886 también hija de Eugenio y Maria de la Luz
>
Eugenio Martínez Aguilar quien bautiza el 27 mar 1842, San jose Ojuelos jalisco se casa con and María de la Luz Dávila el 17 nov 1870,

Eugenio hijo de Pedro Martinez y Maria Paula Aguilar tienen además de Eugenio a:

Jose Cosme Martinez Aguilar 03 oct 1840

Dario martinez 02 nov 1846

Pánfila 09 jun 1844

Maria Andrea Martinez 08 dec 1832 quien se casa con Viviano gomes el 24 feb 1848 hijo de Pedro Gomez e Ysidra Reyes todos de Ojuelos, Jalisco

hay en Ojuelos un Pedro Jose Martinez Gonzalez quien pudiera ser el papá de Eugenio nace el 31 may 1812 hijo de José Maria Martinez y Candelaria Gonzalez

También hay 3 matrimonios Dávila Macias de:

José Eligio Dávila y Juana Maria Macias tienen a:

Josefa 01 dec 1839

Maria Onofre 21 jun 1841

Jose Cruz 24

Hola compañeros maravilla: Haber quien me ayuda con una busqueda muy facil para uds. y dificil para mi.

Froilan o Froylan Santillan Quesada
Born 4 de octubre de 1927 en Mexticacan Jal.

Padres: Presciliano Santillan y Micaela Quesada

Gracias de antemano

Antonio Santillan
Monterrey N.L.

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Hi Emile ,

Did I ever answer you ?

Welester

> Welester,
>
> I received my answer today from http://www.sedena.gob.mx regarding my grandfather and his relatives who fought in the Revolucion:
>
> They said: "Se le informa que no se localizaron documentos que contengan la informacion que solicita".
>
> Attached was a .jpg photo of a letter from the Secretaria del la Defensa Nacional signed by El Subdirector General de Archivo e Historia, General Brigadier D. E. M. Homero Mendoza Ruiz.
>
> The letter says: "Por acuerdo del C. General Secretario de La Defensa Nacional y en relacion con su correo electronic de fecha 19 del actual, me es grato saludarle y a la vez informarle a usted que despues de haber realizado una busqueda en los Archivos de esta Direccion, no se localizo informacion relacionada con Francisco Olague Tinajero, Ignacio Olague Tinajero y Jose Garcia Davila, por los que en caso de contar con mayores datos o documentos sobre las personas que solicita

Alice,

While not extremely common to have the priest as the padrino, it is common enough and still happens to this day. My cousins who live in Mexico have had the priest as the Padrino of their children as they are very close to the priest.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: AliceBB
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:23:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significance of Presb

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Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices, who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned

Alice, I've noticed it once but don't recall when or where.
I remember seeing it because it was unusual. --Raquel

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:23 AM, AliceBB wrote:

>
>
> --- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
> Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but
> could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A
> priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something
> were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't
> limited to spriruality alone, is it? It's not just idle curiousity, as the
> entry I refer to is that of my maternal grandmother, Agustina Santelices,
> who along with her younger sister, Maria Dolores, were later orphaned. I'd
> appreciate opinions/experience on this subject from all. Thank you for your
> help. Alice B Blake
>
>
>

Si, y es que en las actas de bautizo de Jerez se menciona que bachiller, tambien el hermano de mi ancestro Pantaleon de la Torre, Abundio o Isidro eran, bueno el caso es que a una hija natural de Pantaleon que es mi ancestra Maria Guadalupe Rufina del Refugio Rodriguez, fue adoptada por el Bachiller Felix Rodriguez, y buscando encontre mas Personas Adoptadas por el Bachiller, elos bautizaban pero no eran sacerdotes
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

En jerez Zacatecas se utiliza mucho el termino de
Bachiller, que puesto tenian o que eran dentro de la iglesia

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Alice,

I have seen not only priests, but others higher up in their hierarchy named as godfathers. Usually it is a family member or good friend of the family, and of course they were upper class (all those Dons and Donas). I think the godfather would be expected to be the spiritual guide for the child, and in his position he would be able to arrange for shelter, schooling, etc. and not really be expected to raise the child himself.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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From: AliceBB
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Significance of Presb

--- bill_figueroa@usa.net wrote:
Good Evening All, I've never seen a priest named as padrino before, but could it be because I'm new to this? Have others come across this? A priest wouldn't be expected to personally raise a female child if something were to happen to the parents. Culturally, the padrino's obligation isn't limited to

Hi George, I am wondering which info matri. films have you seen? Im looking for Jose Ruiz de Esparza and a Eugenio de Lozano. But no luck so far. -Daniel

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Keep me in the loop also. I have the family group sheets of Jaimes that I copied many moons ago from the film I ordered.....It was very time consuming but it has been well worth it.

Rose
Fresno, CA

Hi Emilie,

If you can contact the family that would be great.

Carlos Yturralde

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From: Emilie Garcia
To: cyturralde@cox.net
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.


Hi, Carlos,

I have contacted Jaime's son in Mexico City, and so has Arturo, our webmaster. The son also is supposedly a member of this group. The son told me he is going to publish his father's last project that he was working on when he died, but that he and his siblings are not interested in genealogy to the extent that their father was, and they are tied down earning a living. What was sad to hear was that his father's papers are all molding and bug-ridden in a storage room in his wife's house somewhere. I will try and find that e-mail address I had for the son, I think his name is Jaime also, and send it to you later.

Thanks much,

Emilie
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Jaime

Luis de Avila and Clara de Amaia had three children that I have been able to document so far (which I would expect you also know):

Josepha, who you mentioned, who married 26 Apr 1643, Phelipe Ortiz (Aguascalientes film 299421, image 272)
Maria, who married 11 Mar 1646 (velados 10 Aug 1646), Pablo de Montes de Oca Sanches (same film, images 283 and 284)
Nicolas, who married 6 Feb 1647, Getrudis de Luebana (same film, image 286).

All three of these records name all the parents.

I have not researched further on descendants Josepha de Avila and Phelipe Ortiz.

I have seen some posted genealogies that place Luis de Avila (who married Cathalina de Grijalva) in this family also, but I do not have documentation of this.

In my review of the Informacion Matrimonial, there is an entry for Juan Ramires, son of Phelipe Ortis and Josepha de Avila, and Maria Garcia (also names first wife, Luisa Ruis de Esparza). See the volume for 1678/81, image 137 (16 Feb 1676. I did not find amarriage

Jose florencio Romero Viyagrana hijo de Julian Romero y Geronima Viyagrana (nace 26 feb 1825 Huejucar) tambien hermano de Juan Jose de la Trinidad Romero Viyagrana

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Nicolas Flores hijo de Damasa Carrillo Frutos ( hija de Leonardo Carrillo y Carmen frutos B: 15 dec 1855) y de Bruno Flores ( hijo de Rafael Flores y Maria Luz Zesati casados el 28 sep 1861 film 0445147 batch M602986)

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Gorgonio Haro Villegas (13 sep 1858) Huejucar hijo de Francisco de Haro y Dolores Villegas (quienes de casan el 28 nov 1857) y hermano de Maria Leonarda de Haro Villegas ( 7 nov 1860) Huejucar

Francisco de Haro es J´se Francisco Roman de Haro Flores hijo de Navor de Haro y

your Haro side:

Gorgonio ( Gregorio) de Haro married Maria Vicenta Romero M: 21 sep 1883 huejucar, jalisco , she born 19 jun 1868 daugther of (Florencio Romero y Maria de Santiago)

they are also parents of Ma. Leonides Haro Romero (b:15 aug 1884)

Ma. Felix de Haro Romero ( 27 nov 1888) film 115201

Felipe Haro Romero 01 jun 1886 film 445097 and 1158201 everybogy in Huejucar
Lety Reynoso

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Los registros de Parras de la fuente de la iglesia catolica
santa Maria de las Parras y
Santa Maria
se encuentran en linea los libros
solo se ncesita ubicar el año y el libro sale
esta es la direccion http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1502401;t=brows…

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

One step closer to the answer to this question... there is documentation showing that Spanish women crossed the Atlantic to Hispaniola (Santo Domingo) as early as 1497, perhaps as early as 1494:

El propio Cristóbal Colón, en la Carta de Relación del segundo viaje, dice que entregó un niño indígena «a una muger que de Castilla acá benía» (Antonio Rumeu de Armas, Manuscrito del Libro Copiador de Colón, Madrid, ed. del autor, 1989, p. 450.)

By 1497 there were a large number of spanish women in Hispaniola:

En un documento fechado 1497 Ávila aparecen trescientos de los más de seiscientos pasajeros que participaron en el segundo viaje colombino y, entre ellos, figuran mujeres como María de Granada y las comerciantes Catalina Vázquez y Catalina Rodríguez. (General de Simancas, Sección Contaduría Mayor de Cuentas, Primera Época, Legajo 98)

Los Reyes Católicos autorizaron al almirante a llevar trescientos hombres y treinta mujeres en su siguiente travesía (1497-98). Entre esas treinat

Geronimo de Aguilar was a Franciscan friar, and while shipwrecked and captured by the Maya in the Yucatan in 1511, he did not father any children (at least not any that he would admit to since that would prove that he had broken his vows of chastity).

He was shipwrecked with Gonzalo Guerrero, who bacame a war leader for Nachan Kaan, married a rich Maya woman and fathered Mexico's first three mestizo children sometime in the 1510s.

When Cortes sent a message to ask Aguilar and Guerrero to join him in his conquest of Mexico in 1519, Aguilar went, but Guerrero told Aguilar:

"Hermano Aguilar, yo soy casado y tengo tres hijos. Tienenme por cacique y capitán, cuando hay guerras, la cara tengo labrada, y horadadas las orejas. ¿Que dirán de mi esos españoles, si me ven ir de este modo? Idos vos con la bendición de Dios, que ya veis que estos mis hijitos son bonitos, y dadme por vida vuestra de esas cuentas verdes que traeis, para darles, y diré, que mis hermanos me las envían de mi tierra."

If my history is correct and I think 99.9 will be, but without checking my sources I have to say that there was contact with the Mayas from three sailors that were marooned of the coast of Yucatan, they procreated children becoming the first mestizos in the Americas.
(Just as soon as I can I will do some research and let every one know the names of those soldiers.) It might have  been Jeronimo de Aguilar.

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From: conrique1@earthlink.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] First Mexican Criollo
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:06 PM

Estimados Colisteros,

On this day in 1587, Virginia Day became the first child of English parents to be born on American soil in what is now Roanoke Island in the State of North Carolina.

Is it known when the first descendant of Spanish parents was born in what is now Mexico?   ... and who that child was?

Saludos,

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

The first child of Spanish parents born in the Americas was likely in Hispaniola (Dominican Republic), where the Spanish had permanent colonies since 1496. I am not very familiar with the microhistory of Santo Domingo from that era to figure out who exactly it might have been but I would be willing to bet a criollo was born there before a child of Hernan Cortes was born in the 1520s.

The first Spaniard to be born in America "In the sense of all America not USA" was don Luís Cortés y Hermosillo, child of Hernán Cortés and doña Elvira de Hermosillo, relative of the Hermosillos of Los altos. Not sure how though? I was always told this, I guess we have another task on the plate.

-Daniel

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Trata de localizar el informe Matrimonial de Tus ancestros en los fil de la iglesia mormona de dos a 6 meses antes del matrimonio, y en los municipios que esten cercanos de la Barca
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Joseph:

To add information to the GEDCOM database all you need to do is request that a tree be set up for you on the database. Then you should be able to either upload a GEDCOM file that you have created in some other software (you can use the free PAF software) or simply use the database as your genealogy repository and manually enter data directly into the database on the website. This is explained in an email that all members get when they first use the GEDCOM database.

As for viewing other members Word file attachments, Microsoft gas a free Word viewer you can download that allows you to view but nit create or edit Word files.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3657ce88-7cfa-…

The Open Office software that was mentioned is another option. It is free as long as you download it as opposed to order a disk.

I do not know how to contribute to the GEDCOM section, so that's a question for someone else.

However, I do know that files that are in Microsoft Word format can be opened by Open Office, which can be downloaded free at OpenOffice.org

-Patti

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> From: "jcdl1944@hotmail.com"
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:27:10 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] NuestrosRanchos GEDCOM and FILES
>
> OK, I've almost given up on this GEDCOM "thingee". Although I can read them (as
> a guest); how can I be a contributor on it. PLEASE don't tell me I have to buy
> different software. My Family Tree software is fully capable to convert to
> GEDCOM files at a mouse-click.
>
> In addition, I cannot read other people's FILES because I don't have MicroSoft
> Word; please don't tell me I have to buy it for a few hundred bucks.
>
> Access should be avaiable to ALL NuestrosRanchos members. Are you reading this,
> Primo Joseph

. HERMINIA AURORA ARIAS ESPINOSA - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JUL 1873 La Asuncion, Pachuca De Soto, Hidalgo, Mexico hija de Jesus Arias y Benita espinosa o Spinola

Faustino Reynoso Casado con Maria Maciel el 14 Jun 1875 en Santa Catarina Martir México D:F M619075 film 003634 (no tengo padres de ambos)

Jose Carlos samuel Contreras 05 aug 1900 Tequipehua D.F. Batch I014600 film 36490

Juan Alfonso Contreras arias. 24 jun 1899 Asunsion Parish Pachuca de Soto Hidalgo batch I028839 film 266527 sui mamá es Herminia y su papa es Juan E Contreras pero

no tengo a sus abuelos.. busco a los papas de Juan E Contreras y los abuelos de Herminia Aurora

alguien que tenga la manera de ver quienes eran los abuelos? alguien que vaya por los films o algo? estaré agradecida siempre candil de la calle oscuridad de mi casa apenas son mis abuelos y de los 4 lados de tres lados no tengo nada snif, snif, snif...

Muchas Gracias... Lety Reynoso

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Gracias Salvador,

Saludos, Daniel

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Es que de Vicente ya no encontré nada más por eso ya no te contesté, a mi no me es posible ver los archivos directamente, sólo através del familysearch..sino hay que ir al archivo..saludos Lety R

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Es una pregunta o afirmación?

Are you asking a question or are you making a statement? I am interested in
Petronila de Moctezuma, like many in this forum.

Thank you.
John Gonzalez.

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Achivo General de la Nacion

> ALguien ya pudo ver el contenido de las dos coincidencias de Petronila
> Motezuma que estan en Regio Patronato Indiano
>

I did not know that they had already loaded digital images onto the AGN website. When I was there a couple of years back I was told that they were in the midst of a digitiaztion project but you know how those things go, particularly in Mexico, but I agree with Salvador that the tool works very well...

Just pilfering through there I found a "limpieza de sangre" of this couple which I believe are the ancestors of many Ranchos members. Unfortunately it is not one of the documents for which the digital image has been loaded on the site.

Archivo General de la Nación/ Instituciones Coloniales/ Inquisición/ Inquisición (61)/ Volumen 491/

Título: Expediente 2
Fecha(s): AÑO 1627
Nivel de descripción: Unidad documental compuesta (Expediente)
Volumen y soporte: Fojas: 72
Productores: (Pendiente)

Alcance y contenido: INFORMACION DE LA GENEALOGIA Y LIMPIEZA DE LINAJE DE FRANCISCO MARTIN GALLARDO Y TERESA DE RODAS, SU MUJER, PARA FAMILIAR. GUANAJUATO.