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So, I saw Manny’s post on the Santo Oficio and decided to take a look for myself. I found a proceso against Diego Flores, encomendero de Juchipila. I did not read it thoroughly, but some of the testimony includes the following intriguing details: an accusation of murder, veneno mortífero en la comida, and an hechicera.

Diego Flores of Juchipila is mentioned in a couple of threads out there (1, 2). I think this may be him.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-C1VJ?i=6&cat=31792

Glenn

could you provide dates and wives to get a clearer picture of them and the timeline. I have one Lopes de Arriaga married with 6th great uncle in 1728 in Pinos Zacatecas.

Hello Steph.

I completely agree with dcalonso.

There are two facts fully supported by documents:

1.- Maria Antonia married to Rafael Martinez is the one christened on 28 Feb 1804, the daughter of Valentino Velos and Guadalupe Lopez.

According to the christening record Maria Antonia was born in "El Grangero", the same place stated in the marriage record.

Maria Antonia and Rafael had a daughter named Maria Petra, perhaps their firstborn. She was christened on 04 Feb 1823. Her maternal grandparents are listed "Valentino Velos y Guadalupe Lopes" in the christening record of Maria Petra.

2.- Maria Antonia was not the biological daughter of Valentino and Guadalupe.

According to the "Informacion Matrimonial" Maria Antonia was the daughter of another Maria Antonia Velos. The first paragraph says:

"... comparecio Simon Martinez Padre legitimo de Rafael Martinez y Maria Antonia Velos Madre Natural de Maria Antonia Velos y dixeron que de su pura, y libre voluntad dan sus consentimientos

i just looked at this family for only a few minutes so i don't know all that you know but there seems to be something going on here and i'm not sure what it is. possibly some sort of cover up for illegitimacy or just a lot of bad scribes that aren't paying attention.

on the marriage of your Maria Antonia Velos and Rafael Martinez he's listed as the son of Simon Martinez and Rosalia Delgadillo and Maria Antonia Velos is listed as the illegitimate daughter of Maria Antonia Velos. That should normally end the discussion but all the baptisms say something different. If all the baptisms agreed I would say the baptisms were correct but since all the baptisms say something different that sort of points to the marriage record that Maria Antonia Velos is the illegitimate daughter of another Maria Antonia Velos.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VBSJ-DN

The baptism of Rafael Martinez and Maria Antonia Velos's daughter Praxedis Martinez lists Maria Antonia Velos as the daughter

I THINK you are looking for the padrones in this book

https://www.amazon.com/Jalostotitlan-Padrones-Parroquiales-Volumen-Span…

Muchisimas gracias Marcelina!

Looking forward to checking this out...it's the time period i am interested in :)

Regards
Denise

Parents of Simon and Rosalia are listed in the christening record (May 22 1803) of their daughter Maria Prudencia:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JGJF-P

Here is the christening record (Jan 15 1794) of their daughter Maria Manuela:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JGJX-3

María Prudencia and Maria Manuela were sisters because both of them were born in a place called Juachi or El Juachi and it also proves Rosalia Delgadillo was a.k.a. Rosa Delgado.

Hi Danny,

I don’t have this couple in my tree, but here are a couple of leads:

Agustin de Cordoba and Ynes Martinez Calvillo were mulatos libres. As you know, in a lot of cases, Mulatos took on the surnames of the families they worked for. During that era, there was a hacendado in Ags named Luis de Cordoba, as well as a family named Martinez Calvillo. I don’t know anything about Luis de Cordoba, but the Martinez Calvillo appear to descend from Joseph Martinez Calvillo cc Magdalena Gomez, who lived previously in San Felipe Gto and in Marfil Gto; they appear in Aguascalientes in the 1650s, and had about 10 children. I’ve also seen this surname in Zamora, Mich, though I haven’t been able to link them.

Agustin might come from Luis de Cordoba’s hacienda. Ynes Martinez Calvillo, on the other hand, is surely linked to the Martinez Calvillo, as a daughter (legitimate or illegitimate) or as a criado (or child of a criado). I mention Joseph Calvillo cc Magdalena Gomez in this thread: http:/

Muchas gracias por compartirlo.

This won't help looking further back, but additional information nonetheless.
Victoria Ballin, widow of Juan Sanches, died on 10 April 1771 in Estancia in Nochistlan.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TT9D-R?i=14&wc=3P9K-RM…

Hello Rick.

This couple christened 4 of their children in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco between the years 1708 and 1721 according to the results of the following search on FamilySearch:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=75&localeSubcountryName=Jalisco&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amanuela%20%2Bsurname%3Alupercio~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1670-1695~%20%2Bspouse_surname%3Asanches~%20%2Brecord_country%3AMexico%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22Mexico%2CJalisco%22

If this is your Juan Sanchez, he should have been born before 1690.

I hope this information helps in your research.

Hola Rick:

Hubo una familia de impresores franceses que pasaron a vivir a Salamanca, España, tiempo después emigraron a la ciudad de México en donde tuvieron una imprenta también, sus descendientes pasaron a Nueva Galicia.

Uno de ellos Jerónimo Vailly o Valli aparece en varias obras sobre la historia de la imprenta en México. éste apellido fue escrito con variantes como Balli, Bailli, y posiblemente esté relacionado con tu abuela Victoria.
En el reciente post sobre la carta de dote de Alfonsina de la Paz subido por J. Refugio Hermosillo se menciona a alguien de esa familia.

Saludos

Marcelina

Ignacio,
Me podías esclarecer la genealogía que mencionaste sobre los Soria desde el más antiguo hasta nuestro Manuel de Soria Peralta, inclusive el vínculo entre Gerónimo López, según el libro Relación de Conquistadores que utilizaste? Discúlpame por no comprender muy bien. Gracias antemano. Tengo algunos fuentes que te interesará de los Archivos de Valladolid. Sobre todas estas familias: Villaseñor, López de Peralta, Figueroa, etc. Sé que el grupo es estrictamente de la Nueva Galicia más esta familia está tan vinculado tanto en ella como en el Obispado de Michoacán.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Ignacio,
Que interesante el fuente que encontraste sobre la genealogía de D. Diego de Soria. Ahora, bien, parece que el Gerónimo López de Peralta, talvez sea vinculado con el mismo Gerónimo López de Peralta quien fundo el Mayorazgo de los López de Peralta. Le he estudiado bien y revisaré mis fuentes para ver si tal vínculo existe o la posibilidad. La única cosa que me preocupa es el tiempo que los dos vivieron. Sobre los Soria también sé la posibilidad que fuesen descendientes de las Doce Linajes de Soria que es otra tema extensiva para abordar en otra ocasión. Me puedes enviar el fuente que tienes sobre aquel libro a mi correo electrónico. mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

I couldn't really find anything except the sons marriage, although it looks like the actual last name is Barbosa, so its probably the mother that's named Esparza. sorry i couldnt help

you should just post the link so several people can see it and help you

Hello,

I good source is the book by Lyman Platt. "Census records for latin america and the hispanic united states" at the family history library the book is : 980 X23pc 1998
I hope helps

sus

Yes, I'm willing to help. Assign me one to work on. Thank you, Deedra

Count on me!

I also shared your project on my Facebook page "Historias y Genealogía" and invited my subscribers to join in.

Good luck,
Enrique Agraz

Count me in, I have tried to get a group together on to finish extracting the Guadalajara and Valladolid dispensas and other pertinent records.

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Other part of Real Audiencia archives is in Archivo Municipal de Guadalajara
Adress: Calle Esmeralda 2486, Col. Victoria, Guadalajara, Jal.

I do not why but the archive was separetly in tw parts, Juan Jose Arreola Library and Archivo Municipal de Guadalajara

Hi.
As far as I know, the Juan Jose Arreola Public Library is the institution that guards the "Archivo de la Real Audiencia de la Nueva Galicia".
The catalogue is online, but if you want to read the documents then you have to go.
Cheers.
http://www.bpej.udg.mx/archivo-real-audiencia

the term castizo was rarely used in my experience. usually those 1/4 native and 3/4 spanish were called espanol

Hi Andelmo,

I think, during that era, they would sometimes use "casta/s" to mean any of the "lower" castes, like Mestizo, Mulato, Morisco, etc. Though, I'm not sure!

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hello,
I have my heritage and ancestry. Honestly, I use family search most. While my heritage seems to aggregate lots of info from many sources, the search function is really bad, yielding irrelevant info. It’s like searching for a needle in a haystack. I find it frustrating. The MH tree builder is nice though.
Ancestry helps sometimes through the hint feature but usually it’s docs i´ve seen. It’s helpful to surface docs on lines you are not actively working on. The search function also not the best so the hints can sometimes be totally off.

All in all, family search is really the only one I couldn’t do without.
Maven

When I need to search for something on Ancestry.com I just go to my local public library and use their institutional account. It has a feature that allows one to send any record to one's email for later access.

I'm not sure it would be worthwhile. I have ancestry.com and it's helped me a little but most of it I could've just done with familysearch. I would say probably not worthwhile.

Hi Deedra,
That is the same couple he’s looking for. Pedro Ortiz and Catalina Ramirez had Ana Ortiz that married Bernabe Ruiz de Esparza and Felipe Ortiz that married Josefa de Avila. I believe that Pablo is basically a typo.
Chris

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Hi Danny,

I don’t know Pedro Ortiz and Catalina Ramirez’s origins, but they baptized Ana on 2 Jul 1623, in San Matias, Pinos, Zac. Her padrino was Melchor de Espinosa. Ana is likely the same who married Bernabe Ruiz de Esparza, 11 May 1643, in Ags.

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Daily Life in Colonial Mexico: The Journey of Friar Ilarione da Bergamo, 1761-1768

The majority of the documents I use are basic sacramental records, and unfortunately they contain very little information about our ancestors’ daily lives in the colonial era. So, I forgot how, but one day I came across Friar Ilarione’s book and wound up reading it twice because it helped me imagine and picture what life was like back then. It helped that his life’s story is somewhat interesting too. I recommend it.

Hola Antonio:

Te recomiendo que visites el sitio web Historias y recuerdos de Encarnación de Díaz, en donde hay un capítulo denominado "Esclavos o libres". El autor hace un recuento sobre la esclavitud y señala algunos libros de historiadores que han investigado sobre la esclavitud.

Se sabe que la familia Lomelin que vivía en Mexticacán tenían licencia para importar y vender esclavos. Otro lugar en donde hubo gran cantidad de esclavos fue en Ciénega de Mata.

Hace poco estaba haciendo la genealogía de un tío político y encontré varios esclavos entre sus ancestros, unos del rancho Paso de Cuarenta de la familia Muñoz de Xeres y otros de "Las negritas" cerca de el Sáuz de los Macías, actualmente, Encarnación de Díaz.

Saludos

Marcelina

There are documents concerning slaves, such as documents about sale, in the Aguascalientes government archives.

Several years ago there was discussion of the Aguascalientes archives here at NR, for example

The login for the Aguascalientes archives is at
http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/AXWeb/Login.aspx?IgnoreNTAutoLogin=T…

Please see the previous postings of Miguel Beltran Romo of March 2, 2011, and my post of "AHEA: Wildcard searches" on March 16th on how do do a search.

29 years ago I found a bill of sale to one of my wife’s ancestors with the surname Casillas. The sale was made in Jalisco.

R.A.Ricci

They are harvesting cochineal.