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Hi,

My family is from Degollado, Jalisco and I have Rizo and Santana in my family tree. What names do you have for Santana?

Thank you,
Esther

In colonial times Laborio means Hacienda worker or resident.

So India laboria means a female native hacienda worker or resident.

Rick A. Ricci

You should start by gathering baptismal and birth records of your mother. This should provide more information on your grandparents to facilitate the search.

You should also collect records of your mother’s relatives.

The parents of Antonio Gonzalez are Asencion Gonzalez and Innocencia Murillo.

The parents of Tomasa Ramirez are José María Valeriano Ramirez and María Hilaría (Ylaria) Herrera.

The parents of José María Valeriano Ramirez are Jacinto Ramirez and María Trinidad Villa.

The parents of María Hilaría Herrera are José Alvino (Albino) Herrera and María Catarina Jaramillo

Leandra Castañeda was born about the 26th or 27th Feb/1871 in Zacatecas. You can comb the records in Zacatecas around this birth date and look for baptismal and birth records to get information on her parents and grandparents. I believe that Leandra Castañeda may actually be the same person known as María Leandra Losano Castañeda, but I’m not sure.

I believe that Ynocencia Murillo is the same

In case you don't already have this, or someone else needs it, Rafael and Simona's son had a marriage dispensation
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9D4-3DB5?i=638&cc=193…

~ Andrea

I descend from Manuel Castañeda and Antonia de la Torre. I also show that they had 12 children, including the brothers you mention: Joseph Vicente Ferrer and Manuel. My direct line is their brother Pedro Antonio Gil Castañeda, so I didn't follow Vicente's line. I have connected with a couple of other members on this forum who are researching this same family.

Dear Virginia,

Nicolas Joseph de Escamilla who married Michaela de Lomeli was not married a second time to Maria Quiteria de Alfaro Perez. María Quiteria was his daughter-in-law only, and not his wife.

Rick A. Ricci

Finding and studying this record may help you find the parents of Nicolas Lomelin and Maria Renteria
Name Nicolas Lomelin Rrentenia
Gender Male
Christening Date 28 Aug 1699
Christening Place NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Nicolas De Lomelin
Mother's Name Ma. De Rrentenia
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK9Y-TF8 : 10 February 2018), Nicolas Lomelin Rrentenia, 28 Aug 1699; citing NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 279,253.

Here is the marriage dispensation for Nicolas Jose Escamilla and Michaela Lomelin y Rentería:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6RSX-S6?i=568&cc=18745…

Nicolas Jose hijo de Gertrudis Flores y de padre no conocido

Micaela es hija de Nicolás Lomelin y María Rentería

Good luck in your research,

Rick A. Ricci

Virginia,
The NICOLAS ESCAMILLA on the record is from Aguascalientes. His parents are Juan de Escamilla and Margarita Gomez (both death). The bride is JUANA MARIA GONZALEZ resident of Guadalajara. She is the widow of Francisco de Arellanos. The document is just a testimony from several witnesses confirming that Francisco de Arellanos is death and was buried in the cathedral, 2 years before. the bride and the groom didn't have consanguineous relationship. I hope this helps

sus

Manny,
Thank you so much for the records. I have a few questions:
1. Roque Cordero was the public notary in what area? Or if you did a will in Aguascalientes had to go thru the notary in Guadalajara?
2. On the same collection of microfilms I saw that there are the books from JUAN SEDANO and DE ORENDAIN with overlapping dates. Do you know if Juan Sedano covered specific area?Or everything is mixed?
I don't know anything about the 3 public notaries, and I want to start viewing the microfilms but I need some orientation first. Any info would be greatly appreciated

thanks

sus

Another document that mentions Gabriel Sanchez y Mendoza and his wife Isabel Sanchez de Lara. This document gives us important information by telling us that they are residents of Aguascalientes. I had been looking for them in Jalisco. Hopefully one Day we will find out if they left any descendants and who they are.

Thanks Manny,

Rick A Ricci

Juana Cervantes is the mother of Jose Domingo Cervantes

There is information in their records, but they must be pieced together like a puzzle.

In the record of their daughter Maria Josefa she is identified as “India,...abuelos paternos y maternos no conocidos.”

In their marriage record María De los Nieves Terrones’s parents are identified as Antonio Terrones and Maria Josefa, but the grooms parents are not identified.

In the record of their daughter Maria Claudia she is identified as “Mulata libre,...abuelos paternos Juana Cervantes y maternos no se conocen por qué la madre fue expuesta.”

In another record María De los Nieves parents are identified as Jose Antonio Terrones and Maria Josefa Torres.

Something you might want to look into are the records of Jose Manuel Cayetano Cervantes and Maria De la Asensio de los Dolores Terrones. I believe that they may be closely related to Jose Domingo Cervantes and Maria De los Nieves Terrones.

Rick A. Ricci

Danny,

These are my ancestors, thru my great grandmother, Da. Sara de Camino y Vázquez García-Rojas. D. José Antonio de Chávez Fragoso y Rivas married Da. Dolores de Coluna Cortés y Meléndez on 12 Feb 1748 in Villa de Reyes, SLP. He was the son of D. Alejandro de Chávez Fragoso y Da. Paula de Rivas Lozano and D. José de Colunga Cortés and Da. Francisca Meléndez, respectively.

D. Dolores de Colunga Cortés was baptized on 13 Apr 1731 in Villa de Reyes where her parents married on 15 Aug 1730. D. José de Colunga was baptized 13 Jan 1673 legitimate son of D. Juan de Colunga Cortés (III) and Da. Isabel Méndez Páez--I have not located a marriage record for Juan and Isabel. However, I can affirm D. Juan de Colunga marrying to his first wife Da. Josefa González on 3 Feb 1668 in the parish of Aguascalientes. He was the legitimate son of D. Juan de Colunga Cortés (II) "el mozo" to differentiate him from his father and Da. Gabriela de Anso Téllez y Torres de Rivera who were married on 19 Mar

Hi Danny,

I'm not familiar with Juan de Colunga or Isabel Mendez or
any Colunga family, but some of the names Rick mentioned are mentioned on
this thread and their connection to the Anzo y Tellez family and the Torres
y Rivera familiy.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/17402?page=1

Paige

On Monday, January 30, 2017, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Im looking for the parents of my ancestors Juan Colunga an Isabel Mendez
> probly from Valle de San Francisco, San Luis Potosí where their children
> married. i think they were born around 1680 or maybe a little earlier. im
> hoping someone else in the group descends from them or has information on
> them. thank you
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Hola Danny:

¿Revisaste el padrón del Valle de San Francisco en 1683? Está en el libro Partidos y padrones del Obispado de Michoacán de Alberto Carrillo Cázares que está en Familysearch.

Saludos

Marcelina

Also, you can have a look here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta

At the bottom of the page are some sources listed as well.

Here is a good place to start, if you want to learn more about the different castas in colonial Mexico:

https://nativeheritageproject.com/2013/06/15/las-castas-spanish-racial-…

Regards
Denise
ps the website is in English

Excellent Resource. Thanks!

It looks good, but I wouldn’t use it by itself. I would cross check it with another source. I use Google Maps, pueblosamerica.com, and IIEG Jalisco. The IIEG site also allows one to download modern maps of individual municipios: Atotonilco, Arandas, Ayotlan, Degollado, Jesus Maria, La Barca, and so on.

Over the past couple hundred years the region has experienced at least a couple of major political upheavals, large-scale land reform, and sweeping economic and demographic changes. Many ranchos, estancias, and haciendas underwent name changes over time as properties were bought, sold, inherited, swallowed up or split up. I think some places were simply abandoned and forgotten. Many places also happen to share the same names others. It can be frustrating to try to pinpoint a modern location for some ranchos of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. It would be a treat for many of us, I am sure, if there were a detailed historical atlas of the entire region.

Nicolas Briseno Alfaro
Gender Male
Christening Date 07 Nov 1682
Christening Place SAN AGUSTIN,AYO EL CHICO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Pedro Briseno
Mother's Name Augustina De Alfaro
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKQS-ZQY : 10 February 2018), Augustina De Alfaro in entry for Nicolas Briseno Alfaro, 07 Nov 1682; citing SAN AGUSTIN,AYO EL CHICO,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 280,669.

Rick A. Ricci

Here is the marriage record of Juan d’ Alfaro and Juana Perez:

Juan De Alfaro
Spouse's Name Juana Peres
Event Date 03 Nov 1694
Event Place San Agustin, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name Pedro Briseno
Mother's Name Augustina De Alfaro
Spouse's Father's Name Manuel Peres
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria De Estrada
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHGY-876 : 10 February 2018), Juan De Alfaro and Juana Peres, 03 Nov 1694; citing San Agustin, Ayo El Chico, Jalisco, Mexico, reference 2:26WLMN5; FHL microfilm 280,814

Rick A. Ricci

Here is Juan Manuel Escamilla’s baptismal record:

Juan Manuel Escamilla Lomelin
Gender Male
Christening Date 19 Jul 1711
Christening Place NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Nicolas De Escamilla
Mother's Name Michaela De Lomelin
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NB94-FSH : 10 February 2018), Nicolas De Escamilla in entry for Juan Manuel Escamilla Lomelin, 19 Jul 1711; citing NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 279,254

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Virginia,

It may help you to search with Maria Perez’s full name She is also known as Maria Quiteria Perez and Maria Quiteria De Alfaro. The Perez surname comes from her mother. Here are some records of this this family:

Juan Manuel Escamilla Lomelin
Gender Male
Christening Date 19 Jul 1711
Christening Place NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Nicolas De Escamilla
Mother's Name Michaela De Lomelin
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NB94-FS4 : 10 February 2018), Juan Manuel Escamilla Lomelin, 19 Jul 1711; citing NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 279,254.

Bisente Ferrel Escamilla Peres
Gender Male
Christening Date 02 Apr 1729
Christening Place SAN AGUSTIN,AYO EL CHICO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Jn. De Escamilla
Mother's Name Quiteria Peres
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database

Happy Holidays Rick and Nuestrosranchos,
Not sure if this is the same couple as I don't know much about the couple only what I found on Familysearch.

Geronima De Rodas Ortiz LZT3-V5Y cc Joachin Muños de la Barba KH3Q-Y1J
​​
Beatris Morales cc Ignacio Escoto Y Tovar 1651–1706
and his father is

Antonio Escoto y Tovar cc Ines Ortis de Rodas

It's hard to say. i have two ancestors that are both expuestos in the house of other people. one, i'm 99% sure has no blood relation to the family that they were placed in. and the other person, i'm 99% sure is a blood relative and most likely a child or niece of the family that took them in. you kind of have to go through all the records of their children and the other children in the family to see how closely they interacted and whether any mention of them is made in informacion matrimoniales and other records.

I got the new estimate. I know each company uses different references, but it's funny because last year FTDNA did their update and insisted I was I was more Sephardic Jewish than I was Native American, which I can neither prove nor disprove at this point, while Ancestry initially said I was part "European Jewish" and now decided that was Spanish DNA.

Yes, my estimates have changed and now reflect that my great grandfather came from Italy. And the British region has dropped out. There were other changes but these are the most significant. Still about a third Native American (32% up from 31 %). Plus North Africa switched out with parts of West and Central Africa as trace regions . All in all fits better with what I am finding in the church records.

Regards
Denise

Here are some records that may help in your search:

Silveria Aguinaga Aldana
Gender Female
Christening Date 27 Jun 1871
Christening Place SENOR SAN JOSE,OJUELOS,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Martin Aguinaga
Mother's Name Leonarda Aldana
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NTQW-S5T : 10 February 2018), Silveria Aguinaga Aldana, 27 Jun 1871; citing SENOR SAN JOSE,OJUELOS,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 63,964.

Martin Aguinaga
Spouse's Name Leonarda Aldana
Event Date 05 Nov 1863
Event Place Senor San Jose,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZJS-4ZQ : 10 February 2018), Martin Aguinaga and Leonarda Aldana, 05 Nov 1863; citing Senor San Jose,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 640,138.

Jose Ynez Aguinaga Aldana
Gender Male
Christening Date 27 Apr 1866
Christening Place SENOR SAN JOSE