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I would like to share my research and records and hopefully someone in the group can help fill in the holes where I only have on spouse named in a dispensation.

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Published by Joseph_de_Leon – Mon, 2015-07-27 08:44 | Permalink

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Linda,

I've done research on your site hundreds of times. We have tons of mutual anestors and I can

help you find your single parents's mates.

Joseph de Leon

Published by longsjourney – Mon, 2015-07-27 15:33 | Permalink

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Katy thank you.. I am a bit confused though. Is Thomasa de Olague, natural child married to Joseph Carrillo and Leonor de Avila her Mother?
I have Joseph Carrillo as Leonor's second husband!
thanks again.
Linda

Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Tue, 2015-07-28 11:31 | Permalink

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i don't know if tomasa olague is a 'natural' child or not, but that document i linked too seems to believe juan olague is her father regardless if he's her bio-father or not. i do know that after having 2 'natural' children, tomasa married bartolome de luna (i'm like 99.9% sure he's not the 'father' of either of those two 'natural' kids)

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Katy in the dispensation it says they 4th degree igual related, How did you do that since with no Teresa its 3rd degree with 4th degree. Any help appreciated and I have Ayala as the hijo natural of Tomasa Olague and married to Bartolome Luna but nothing to prove it's the same Tomasa de Olague married to Bartolome.

marriage dispensation 4th degree
Juan Olague........
Joseph Olague ......xxxxxx.. 1st degree
Francisca Cid......Joseph Carrillo ..2nd degree
Ygnacia De Casas...Marcos Carrillo....3rd degree
Silvestre Ortis.............Petronila Rita Carrillo 4th degree

HELP...

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here's a marriage record that link francisco ayala and a son of tomasa olague and bartolome olague as half brothers.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-81029-37?cc=1874591&wc…

plus you made a mistake on that tree diagram. here's the correct one
Juan Olague........
Joseph Olague ......tomasa olague.. 1st degree
Francisca Cid......leonor olague o avila ..2nd degree
Ygnacia De Casas...Marcos Carrillo....3rd degree
Silvestre Ortis.............Petronila Rita Carrillo 4th degree

here's another marriage dispensation related to tomasa olague as well
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-43097-20?cc=1874591&wc…

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Katy you are a God send. I appreciate you sharing all your work and allowing me to go back and discover new ancestors. How proud the ancestors must be at how hard and diligently we work to keep their memories and stories alive. They make me proud
thank you again.
Linda in Olympia

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your welcome. in fact i've been focusing on capellenias and ordenes lately since they have been neglected for a while and sometimes they have useful genealoogical info.

also if you wanna volunteer for my index blog, you could either do an index from scratch of a collection from the diosceis de guadalajara not on my blog or claudia's and send it to me by my email detective1920@yahoo.com or by asking me for one of my incomplete indexes and finishing it up.

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Katy thank you but my Spanish not good and I'm afraid my mistakes would only make things worse for other people
Linda

Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Wed, 2015-07-29 18:39 | Permalink

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it's ok, i just felt like mentining that.

on another note, my spanish isn't that good either. i find getting the names, locations etc. in these records much easier than actually trying to converse with others in spanish.

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well that's something to think about.
thank you for thinking of me
Linda in Olympia

Libro verde

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I have long believed that the "Libro verde" would be a great source of information. I want to share my recent experience with a Libro verde.

Probada: Las Ana González de Hermosillo o las Ana González Florida

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Estimado Señores:

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Published by Armando – Mon, 2011-03-07 20:33 | Permalink

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Estimado Daniel,

Fue el Dr. Victoriano Navarro quien transribió la dispensa. Yo lo copié de otro hilo y cuando lo hice incluí su nombre para reconocer que el era quien habia aportado los datos. Es a el que tenemos que agradecer por ese aporte. Lo que yo si habia hecho es precipitar ese hilo que empezó Miguel Beltran donde el Dr. aportó la información y lo repetí en el hilo que empezaste.

Gracias Daniel, Miguel y Dr. Navarro

Armando

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¿Cuál es la fuente de este nódulo? ¿Dónde está? Traté de localizar el tema en los mensajes del Dr. Victoriano Navarro, pero no lo encontré.

Su primo Paco,
SFHL

Published by Armando – Sun, 2015-07-26 07:28 | Permalink

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Lo que yo creo que te interesa mas es el nódulo con el titulo INFORMACION DE DIEGO SANCHEZ CARRANZA encontrado en http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/19311

Las transcripciones por Victoriano Navarro son de entradas del libro de María de la Luz Montejano Hilton, Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia. Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios. Extractos Siglos XVII-XVIII, México, DF, 1999 y se encuentran en http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19107 y en http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/19304 Las dispensas ahora se encuentran en linea en https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-15251-15 y en https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18405-7104-7 Las dos dispensas comprueban que Mariana de Hermosillo, casada con Nicolás Moreno de Ortega, era hija de Juan González de Hermosillo y de Ana González Florida II no de Francisco Muñoz de la Barba y Catalina Gutiérrez Rubio ni de Sebastián Gutiérrez de Hermosillo y de María Galindo Becerra como la tenia

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Published by ElCapitanPaco – Mon, 2015-07-27 03:15 | Permalink

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Muchas gracias Armando por tu respuesta tan aclaradora. Revisé el nódulo del Dr. Victoriano Navarro y sus preguntas y dudas. Creo que sus preguntas fueron resueltas hace mucho tiempo. Además tus datos y fuentes concuerdan plenamente con los míos. Estoy de acuerdo contigo. Mariana de Hermosillo (o Mariana González de Hermosillo), esposa de Nicolás Moreno de Ortega, fue hija de Juan González II de Hermosillo y de Ana González Florida II. Últimamente he estado hablando sobre Juan y Ana y su enlaces familiares e investigándolos en dispensas un poco más de lo normal. He estado revisando muchos documentos de defunción y dispensas que los mencionan...y también por supuesto lo que las grandes mentes de Nuestros Ranchos han comentado al respecto.

Creo que la confusión surge a través de varias personas con nombres algo similares en el contorno genealógico de la época. Hubo muchas Anas y Marías en las primeras generaciones de los González de Hermosillo que fácilmente confundirían a

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Mariana de Hermosillo esposa de Nicolás Moreno de Ortega

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Existen en el archivo parroquial de Lagos de Moreno al menos los siguientes registros en los que aparece esa pareja:

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Published by migueltran – Thu, 2010-12-02 09:15 | Permalink

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Daniel, Armando y Victoriano:

Muchas gracias de verdad por los datos que aportan. Son de mucha utilidad.

Saludos.
Miguel Beltran

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Muchas gracias Armando por tu excelente trabajo sobre los hijos e hijas de Nicolás Moreno de Ortega y de Mariana González de Hermosillo. Ellos son mis antepasados - décimos bisabuelos. Especificamente desciendo de su hijo Miguel Moreno de Ortega, quien se casó en 1698 con Catarina Gallardo.

Revisé el nódulo del Dr. Victoriano Navarro y sus preguntas y dudas. Creo que sus preguntas fueron resueltas hace mucho tiempo. Además tus datos y fuentes concuerdan plenamente con los míos. Estoy de acuerdo contigo. Mariana de Hermosillo (o Mariana González de Hermosillo), esposa de Nicolás Moreno de Ortega, fue hija de Juan González II de Hermosillo y de Ana González Florida II. Últimamente he estado hablando sobre Juan y Ana y su enlaces familiares e investigándolos en dispensas un poco más de lo normal. He estado revisando muchos documentos de defunción y dispensas que los mencionan...y también por supuesto lo que las grandes mentes de Nuestros Ranchos han comentado al respecto.

Creo

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Fri, 2010-11-26 18:04 | Permalink

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El siguiente libro trae los siguientes datos:

MLMH) María de la Luz Montejano Hilton, Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia. Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios. Extractos Siglos XVII-XVIII, México, DF, 1999

MLMH 2755: Lagos de Moreno, Jal. Diciembre 26 de 1697. Exp. 95-.
Dispensa de tercero grado con cuarto grado de consanguinidad.-
Miguel de Moreno Ortega, de 34 años, natural y vecino de esta Villa de Santa maría de los Lagos, viudo de Doña Juana de Marmolejo y Pedraza, hijo legítimo de Nicolás Moreno de Ortega y de Doña Mariana González Hermosillo (abuelo materno: Juan González de Hermosillo); pretende casarse con Doña Cathalina Martínez Gallardo, natural y vecina de la feligresía de Xalostotitlan, hija legítima de Don Joseph Martínez Gallardo y de Doña Theresa Camacho (abuelo paterno: Juan Camacho Riquelme, hijo de Theresa González de Hermosillo).
Los dichos Juan González de Hermosillo y Theresa González de Hermosillo fueron hemanos.

MLMH 1622

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Corrección:
Juan Camacho Riquelme, hijo de Theresa González de Hermosillo sería el abuelo materno de Doña Cathalina Martínez Gallardo y padre de Doña Theresa Camacho. Por otra parte en estos records no aparece Ana Gzlz. Florida; tal vez en algún otro aparezca como esposa de Juan González, pero no creo que aparezca como madre de Mariana Gzlz. en el libro de Montejano Hilton.

Victoriano Navarro

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Victoriano,

Muchísimas gracias por las aportaciones. Con eso tengo nuevas preguntas. ¿Quien fue la madre de Mariana y esposa de Juan González de Hermosillo? Si la madre de Mariana y la esposa de Juan era Ana Glz Florida II entonces, como tengo entendido, Mariana era nieta de Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y Ana Glz Florida I. Seria por eso que a veces Mariana usa Gutiérrez. ¿Mariana que fue esposa de Nicolás que menciona Jaime Holcombe es la misma que fue madre de Miguel? Son todos los hijos de ese Nicolás con la misma esposa?

Armando

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Armando,

Pues en esas épocas era común que la gente con hijos enviudara, se volviera a casar y tuviera más hijos legítimos, por lo que yo prefiero no asumir que dos hermanos compartían tanto padre como madre si no hay documentos que lo avalen. Habrá que seguir buscando la respuesta a las preguntas que plantea. Por otra parte, tal vez en otro record del libro de Montejano Hilton aparezca Ana González Florida como madre de Mariana González, sin que venga el nombre de Juan González.
Saludos cordiales,

Victoriano Navarro

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Hola Victoriano,

No solamente en esa época se volvían a casar después de enviudarse, sino en
todas. Un tío, un tío abuelo, una tía abuela, un tatarabuelo, y un quinto
abuelo también lo hicieron. En pocas palabras, sucedió en casi todas las
épocas y generaciones de mi familia y ya estaba consciente de eso. Es por
eso que hice algunas de mi preguntas. Pero en el momento que yo había hecho
esas preguntas yo no sabia que Juan González Hermosillo nunca se enviudó de
Ana González Florida. Pasó lo contrario, Juan murió en 1666 y Ana en 1672.
Eso acabo de encontrar en http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16928.
Sabemos por la dispensa que usted nos transcribió que Juan González de
Hermosillo y Theresa González de Hermosillo fueron hermanos y que Theresa
González de Hermosillo era madre de Juan Camacho Riquelme. Asi que podemos
decir que Mariana si era hija de Ana González Florida. Ahora lo que no queda
claro es cual fue la razón que don Jaime Holcombe apuntó a Mariana como hija
de Sebastián

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Los referidos Miguel Moreno de Ortega y Catalina Martínez Gallardo son mis antepasados (novenos bisabuelos), y por lo tal son personas que he investigado con algún interés personal. Tengo la costumbre de integrar en mis notas una transcripción íntegra de todos los documentos de importancia genealógica e histórica que mencionen a mis antepasados. Agradezco que los hayan tomado en cuenta como tema de discusión.

Como aporte al tema reciente sobre la Dispensa Matrimonial de Miguel Moreno de Ortega y Catalina Martínez Gallardo, aquí les presento una transcripción de la diligencia matrimonial que de ellos tengo en mis notas. Miguel y Catalina necesitaron ser dispensados de un parentesco de consanguinidad en tercero con cuarto grado. La siguiente Dispensa Matrimonial es mencionada en el libro de María de la Luz Montejano Hilton, “Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia. Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios. Extractos Siglos XVII-XVIII” (México, DF, 1999 -

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Published by mendezdetorres – Thu, 2010-11-25 02:49 | Permalink

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Hola Miguel:

Ojalá puedo ayuarte. Pienso que tengo información sobre esta pareja, no sé si son los mismos pero por lo menos puedes utilizarlo como pista. Lo saqué de los datos del don Jaime Holcombe, aunque oficialmente no sé si existe un partido matrimonial si probó los padres de Nicolás Moreno de Ortega, cuya defunción era 8 de enero de 1701 en Santa María de los Lagos, casado con Juana Mariana Gutiérrez de Hermosillo (o simplemente Hermosillo), Jaime Holcombe la puso como hija de Sebastián Gutiérrez de Hermosillo y María Galindo Becerra.

Si existe dos otros partidos matrimoniales de hijos de Nicolás Moreno de Ortega y Juana Mariana Gutiérrez de Hermosillo. Alonso Moreno de Ortega casado el 8 de octubre de 1691 en Lagos de Moreno con Ana Rodríguez de Portugal hija del Alférez mayor Francisco Rodríguez, natural de Puebla de los Ángeles y doña Ana Gómez de Portugal, bautizada 7 de agosto de 1639 en Lagos e hija del capitán Juan Gómez de Portugal y María de Ysasi.

El otro hijo

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Tambien me interesaba esta información. En otra página mencionan a Miguel Moreno de Ortega como hijo de Nicolas Moreno de Ortega y Ana María González de Hermosillo González Florida. Cita a Luz Montejano Hilton, Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios. Extractos siglos XVII-XVIII como referencia. Este Miguel Moreno de Ortega casó con Catalina Guzmán Gallardo hija de José Martín Gallardo y Teresa Riquelme. Miguel Moreno y Catalina Guzmán tuvieron a Nicolás Moreno de Ortega que casó con María Getrudis Moreno de Ortega hija de Nicolás Moreno de Ortega y María Manuela Hernández Gamiño Liébano. Nicolas Moreno de Ortega y María Getrudis Moreno de Ortega tuvieron a Ana Petra Moreno de Ortega que casó con Pedro González de Rubalcava. Ellos tuvieron a la Ignacia González Moreno que casó con Juan José Villalobos Galván. Esa pareja es la misma que acabo de mencionar en el hilo de Juana Pérez de Ortega.

Armando

Anyone have or know to find Defunciones Years 1705 - 1709 of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico?

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Does anyone know where to get access to the Defunciones records of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico during the years of 1705 - 1709?

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Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Sun, 2015-07-26 13:00 | Permalink

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unfortunately there are record gaps in the availible records on family search

Published by gpf13 – Sat, 2015-07-25 22:54 | Permalink

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According to the Family History library catalog, there are no death records for the period 1687-1711. Thus the records either do not exist (more likely), or if they do exist, they were not filmed (less likely).

Sometimes a record type will be mixed with other records, such as the first volume for Mezquitic which includes baptisms, marriages, and deaths. The catalog will often, but not always state this. Considering the gap is so large, I suspect these records are lost.

I have come against the same problem in other communities (San Fancisco del Rincon, GTO), where the more important records (marriages and baptisms) do not exist for a critical time period for some families I am researching.

Nonetheless, I continue to be amazed at the vast quantity of records that do exist for Mexico.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Research Digest, Vol 114, Issue 21

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I have been researching my Sierra family in and around Tenamaxtlan and
Ayutla as well as Autlan de Navarro.

I have Jose Vicente Sierra b1826 marrying Nicolasa Sanchez/s.

Has anyone read "The Encomderos of New Spain 1521-1555"

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I copied and pasted this review. Has anyone read this book?

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Hello:

Do you have any of my relatives in your search?

Mother : Maria Placencia Torres
Grandparents: Filomeno Placencia (1896-1983) and Soledad Romero
GGGrand: Roman Placencia (Aug. 13, 1865) and Benigna Galvez
GGGGrand Jose Domingo Placencia (8-7-1816) and Monica Romero
GGGGGrand: Jose Rafael Placencia (11-2-1795) and Ynozencia Sanchis
GGGGGrand: Juan Ynasio Placencia (6-10-1764) and Monica Balentina Robles
GGGGGGrand Felis Fernando Placencia (6-8-1732) and Gertrudis Guerrero
GGGGGGGrand: Ysidro Placencia (approx. 1712) and Gertrudis Rodriguez

Please let me know if you have any additional information on any
of these.

Thank you,

Olga Torres Placencia

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I do not have them in my tree however that does not mean that they don't tie in to mine at some point. Are all of these Placencia's in Cuquio?

I have Pedro de Placencia marrying Melchora de los Reyes Moscoso y Sandoval in Nochistlan in 1668. Their children were born, raised, married in the Cuquio records.

Gutierrez from Jalos

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Hi Everyone.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2015-07-18 18:49 | Permalink

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Hello Mario,

Do you have any information on known uncles and aunts to help make the connection? I have seen records where the child was baptized a couple of years after being born. My wife's great grandfather was also ten years younger than everyone thought. The January 3 looks correct, just the year is off.

Here is Albino Gutierrez's marriage record

Albino Gutierrez
mentioned in the record of Albino Gutierrez and Amada Guerrero
Name: Albino Gutierrez
Birth Date: 1855
Age: 21
Spouse's Name: Amada Guerrero
Spouse's Birth Date: 1856
Spouse's Age: 20
Event Date: 23 Feb 1876
Event Place: Nuestra Señora De La Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico
Father's Name: Julian gutierrez
Mother's Name: Sabina Gutierrez

Spouse's Father's Name: Teodoro Guerrero
Spouse's Mother's Name: Tomasa Chavez
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60323-6 , System Origin: Mexico-EASy , GS Film number: 279306 ,

Julian Gutierrez and Sabina Gutierrez are the parents of Placisda Gutierrez
Placida was

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I do know that my great Grandfather (Jose Genovevo Gutierrez), born in Jalostotitlan January 3, 1884 (per civil registry record) and baptized January 6, 1884 (per church record) had a brother by the name of Francisco Gutierrez. I don't know when Francisco was born, yet. Of course, my Great Grandfather was supposedly born on January 3, 1872, but I have still have yet to find such a record to match the oral history.

Returning to his (Jose Genovevo's) brother, all I know so far is that Francisco Gutierrez had a daughter (Josefina) and I believe a son (Albino) that lived in Guadalajara. Josefina Gutierrez married a Salvador Leal, and last lived in Guadalajara.

I don't know about any other existing siblings for Jose Genovevo Gutierrez, but I am still investigating that.

I did want to add a comment of great appreciation for the quick and extensively detailed history you provided. Wow! I hope I get that quick at researching and synthesizing information. It truly has been an

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Francisco Gutierrez Guerrero, Jose Genovevo Gutierrez Guerrero 's brother:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
christening: 4 October 1877 Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico
residence: Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico
father: Albino Gutierrez
mother: Amada Guerrero

Padrinos son los abuelos paternos

Bautismos de hijos legitimos 1877-1885
Image 28 of 484

Or just press here:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18688-107643-5?cc=1874591&wc…

Your welcome, I am glad I was able to help.
Please let me know how you research progresses

Thank you for the compliments,
Rick A Ricci

Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo

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Thank you all who contributed to the discussion of Juan Gonzales Hermosillo and Ana Gonzales Florida. These gems bring people to life.

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Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Tue, 2015-07-21 14:16 | Permalink

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Hi Deedra,

I usually include their maternal surnames, separated by a hyphen (though, for the first two, I use the nicknames):

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo El Viejo
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo El Mozo
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo-Gonzalez Florida

Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo-Munoz de Nava
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo-Etcetera

Works for me!

Manny Diez Hermosillo

Ordenes sacerdotales Diócesis de Guadalajara

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Primos,

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Guadalajara Dispensas Master Location Lists

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I compiled a comprehensive list of the indexed films of the Guadalajara marriage dispensations to help track of which films have been indexed. The sources included are the following:

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Published by arturoramos – Tue, 2013-10-29 16:28 | Permalink

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Rosalinda, et al:

This has been a great enigma for me for some time. If you could help me locate the dispensations for 1742, I would be very grateful:

En ocho días del mes de enero de mil setecientos y cuarenta y dos en esta parroquia e iglesia casé y velé a Manuel de Santa María Covarrubias, hijo legítimo de Mathias Covarrubias y de Petra Saldaña, españoles vecinos de esta jurisdicción en el rincón de Totatiche con Petra de la Cruz Grano, hija legítima de Joseph Grano y de Efigenia Covarrubias españoles vecinos de dicho rincón a quienes el Señor ??? Vicario General de este obispado les concedió el beneficio de dispenza de parentesco de consangüinidad en tercer grado. Fueron padrinos Juan Antonio Ríos y Theresa Covarrubias.

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Hi Primo!

There is another area located under the label "Archdiocese of Guadalajara, Miscellaneous Marriage Records." Have you looked at this other group of films?

Here is the link to the list of films under this section:

https://familysearch.org/search/image/viewer#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilyse…

These films haven't been indexed yet, although I believe Katy has looked through some of them. They appear to be single page scans, too. I've only looked through them quickly, but it may be that the missing dispensa can be located in one of those films.

Why these records are separate from the others, I couldn't tell you. If I hadn't been curious about them, I wouldn't have looked at them.

Rosalinda

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the Archdiocese of Guadalajara is more organized than the guadalajara dispensas, and has no ordenes or capellenias in them and some marriage documents found in guadalajara dispensas aren't found in Archdiocese of Guadalajara.

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I had been doing something similar except with a single Excel worksheet and
it includes all films, whether they have been indexed or not. This way I
can look at the list for a certain date and tell if I need to search the
book myself or not. I just edited my worksheet to take out some personal
notes and I uploaded it to Dropbox. By using Dropbox anyone can access the
file without having to log in to NuestrosRanchos. It's the one called Index
of Dispensas.xlsx

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/diiby4pboy5x1yj/jJy3nmg6y2

Armando

On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:36 PM, wrote:

> I compiled a comprehensive list of the indexed films of the Guadalajara
> marriage dispensations to help track of which films have been indexed. The
> sources included are the following:
>
> **Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara by Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton (book)
>
> ** http://www.**guadalajaradispensas.com/ by Claudia Casillas
>
> ** http://guadalajaradispensas.**tumblr.com/ by Katy Brecht
>
> There are three files; I

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Belinda Alvarez
Hello Rosalinda. Others will have surely already thanked you for your great contribution by doing these master files,saving us all a lot of work. I have two questions: I am missing in the list the year 1873, do you know if there's any information for this year but yet to be indexed? I know that my great grandparents got a dispensation and were married in april 1873 in Arandas.
The other question is: do you know how much time in advance the dispensation had to be requested (that is, if the couple wanted to get married at a particular date)? Or: how long did such a process last, i.e. from the !Información matrimonial" till the date the marriage was officially authorized?

Thank you in advance for any help you can give or for refering to somebody who knows.
Belinda Alvarez

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Hi Belinda,

What you see on the lists is the most up-to-date status of what has been indexed. Since 1873 isn't listed, it hasn't been indexed yet. However, you could search for the record yourself, by going page by page in the dispensas film. The link for 1873 is

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18519-203-9?cc=1874591&wc=M9… .

Typically, the films are not in chronological order, so this means you must go page by page, which is why indexing is so tedious. However, if you know they received a dispensation, then it is likely that it is in that film. I usually notice that the dispensation process started anywhere from 1 to 3 months before the marriage date, although this varies. However, as I said, since the films are out of order, you'll need to search the entire film.

Good luck in your search!

Rosalinda

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just want to mention that i'm still working the 1836 collections.i've only finished index the first 5 parts. i'm working on part 6 right as of right now. might get it done later today or tomorrow

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Katy,

As you add to your site, I'll update the lists. There really is a tremendous number of films. I was helping Claudia with her site. I decided that since there were so many films currently covered at three locations, it would be a good idea to keep a master list.

Rosalinda

about records not available on familysearch

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Is there anyway to view either a digital copy or at least an index with parents names for records in towns such as colotlan, jerez, tepetongo, huejucar, or tlaltnenango.

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Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Sun, 2015-07-19 13:32 | Permalink

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to add onto this post, here's a list of people i want to find baptism or marriage records for i can remember right off the bat.

baptisms:
-simona torres: most likely born in jerez at around 1847(a 'natural' child); parents are eduardo torres and juliana villegas
-seferina osuna: most likely born in jerez at around 1818; parents are jose neri & petra osuna escobar
- ursulo ceballos: most likely born in jerez(birth year uncertain but he got married in 1836);father is andres ceballos and mom is guadalupe caldera.
-refugio acuna: probably born between 1801-1805; mother is dolores acuna

marriages:
-francisco estevan villaneda (son of andres villaneda & micaela (alias candelaria) cabral) & maria felipa geronima (not sure if her last name is montes, dominguez, or sotelo. i hope to find their marriage record someday in hopes it will clear this issue up): in tepetongo before 1789.
-jesus arceo & maxima torre: tepetongo
-felix nestor arceo & ursina olivos: tepetongo
-martin enriquez & isabel

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Marquez del Olivo Family tree data compilation Zacatecas and Jalisco

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I have seen many post regarding this family tree. I have 4 family tree branches connect to this family tree. Can we make a shared family tree. POsting all data about this tree.

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LN6N-Q3R.pdf (768.66 KB)

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Published by itzcoatzin – Fri, 2015-07-17 10:34 | Permalink

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does anyone have data on this family ancestors

I have baptism of Jesus Marquez Carlos and Josefa Marquez Carlos.

Fathers Eugenio Marquez and Refugio carlos the family search does not have records that far back i don't know how to search for data on them, please show me a good source for me to read and research if needed.

Baptism records show Grandparents to be Juan Marquez And Trinidad Enciso.

This baptism were in Colotlan, Jalisco Mexico records but may be from Zacatecas.

Please share any record you have on this and maybe show me a good source for me to reasearch since i don't know any other place other then Family Search to look for ancestors.

Thank you Primos

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Primos,

Juan Marquez de los Olivos and Josefa Baptista de Rubalcaba (b. abt 1649) are my 8th GGPs.

I have almost 600 individuals with the surname Marquez / Marquez de los Olivos in my Joseph de Leon Family Tree posted here on Nuestros Ranchos in the GEDCOM tab.

This Tree is here to share with all of you.

Joseph de Leon

Published by itzcoatzin – Sun, 2015-07-12 14:36 | Permalink

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Eugenio Marquez

spouse: Refugio Carlos

child: José De Jesus Marquez
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07011-4 , System Origin: Mexico-EASy , GS Film number: 443689 , Reference ID: p 167 ,

child: Andrea Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-7 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443686 ,

child: Pablo Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-7 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443686 ,

child: Josefa Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-6 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443685 ,

child: Luiza Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-6 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443685 ,

child: Maria Segunda Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-5 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443684 ,

child: Julian Marquez Cárlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07011-0 , System Origin: Mexico-EASy , GS Film number: 443690 , Reference ID

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Published by itzcoatzin – Sun, 2015-07-12 13:34 | Permalink

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This person has 3 entries in family search. Please post any data you have on him. Such as id number, birth, baptism,marriage,death, and children perishes. So that we can add all data to one id number is family search and use that id with all attached perishes.

Eugenio Marquez Enciso (1844) (1º oo) & Ma del Refugio Carlos Guizar (13 Nov 1870 ) (hija de Demetria & Ma Santos) ( Momax, Zac.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDZD-CLS

Children
Jesus Marquez
LVQ6-3WR

Josefa Marques
LV7R-59N

Maria Luisa Marquez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18688-52665-86?cc=1874591&wc…

Grandparents:
Juan Marquez and Trinidad Enciso
Juan Carlos and Josefa Mayorga (2nd marriage)

Please share any more data you have in this. So we can add id number to Eugenio and add the perish records to it.

Where would someone be baptised . . .

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Hello primos/primas:

Where would someone be baptized if born in San Nicolas de los Garza,
Nuevo Leon, Mexico. I am looking for Martiate Garza (approx. 1850)

Thank you,

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