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Wills in Aguascalientes

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Does anyone know how to look up wills in Aguascalientes?

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That is excellent Manny! Are there any on the Monte Escobedo, Mezquitic, Huejuquilla area? I have a copy of defunto record of my 7th generation great grandmother Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735) where she left a testamento in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/6iws2f.jpg

It would be nice to be able to look at the testamentos of any of my ancestors from that era.

Dinastia Moctezuma

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un cordial saludo a todos los lectores

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alguna novedad o noticias sobre las documentaciones donde
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La Joya Search

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Hello, could someone tell me where "La Joya" is located? I believe I found a document from a relative that states he is from La Joya, Mexico.

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Published by RJQ – Tue, 2015-04-28 08:18 | Permalink

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A quick search on the internet shows a town of that name within Magdalena Jalisco, there is also one in Morelos.

Marriage Information

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Now I need some help with Información matrimonial. I found a record in FamilySearch for Placido Xavier and Maria Antonia Bernardina De Los Reyes with a marriage date of 4 May 1757 in El Sagragrio.

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Published by RJQ – Tue, 2015-04-28 07:43 | Permalink

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I think you are confusing the "Informacion Matrimonial" books with the "Matrimonios" ones, the information books are rarely index (except when they are mixed with the marriage records) thus the information on them do not appear when searching for individuals, when you find a marriage record on the index (on the search results) is going to be on the "Matrimonios" books. Now from there you can always find the information concerning the marriage that as Ricci mentioned is always days before, (in my experience usually a month, more or less).

As I mentioned before, remember to compare the film numbers, for you to know that you are in the right book/film. for the one in question, check Matrimonios 1750-1769 page 358. reading the record would tell you the actual dates for the pre-marriage information if you desire to check on it. (some times this don't exist anymore) which for for this case it says "siete, veinte y cuatro de Abril also primero de Mayo". Likely you will find it on the last

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You are absolutely right. I was confusing the 2 books. I have been doing this for years, but only recently realized that I could look at the actual records, which has been excellent because there is a lot of information there that doesn't show up in the search indexes. This record, for example, give parents' names which I haven't been able to find anywhere else.

And this also explains why I found the Informacion books so confusing!

Thanks to everyone for your help.

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As a side note, I recommend to always check the "informacion matrimonial" (if available) for each marriage record that you are researching, this is because the information records usually have a better information for all the parties, including names and residence. The workflow is usually like this; Find a individual's marriage on the index, search the actual records, then the record would tell you the dates of when the information for that specific marriage was gathered. finally you can search with those dates in the "information records". both (the marriage and the marriage information records) would give most of the time a much better set of data than the marriage itself.

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Tue, 2015-04-28 05:06 | Permalink

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The Información matrimonial record is not always near the date of the marriage. I have found these records to sometimes be two to three months from the date of the marriage.

RARicci.

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I imagine later? Thank you for your help. I haven't found an actual marriage record yet, but I may spend the day looking for this one.

1913 - 1917 civil records from jalpa zacatecas

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first I what to say Iam new to the group and I want to say thank you for inviting me to be part of something special.

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Baptism Abbreviations - Purisima del Rincon

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While we've made good progress in other lines, we continue to get stuck with the line through Purisima del Rincon.

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Thu, 2015-04-09 13:37 | Permalink

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By comparison with other records of the book, it seems to indicate the name of the place where they were born, not ethnicity. The casta seems to appear in the text between the name and place of birth, and for Atanasio I think it says E, which would be Español. The abbreviation you mentioned seems to be followed by "la P", and may refer to la Purísima.
Regards,
VN

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The one thing that makes me think it's not a location is that when the same abbreviation is used on later pages, the superscript seems to alternate between an O on a male entry and an A on a female entry. Most of the time it is preceded by that E.

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The abbreviation may just be stating that he was from that town because I found marriage documents for the same individual that use the written word "yvencino" before the location (and "yvencina" for the females). Well, it didn't hold any additional clues, but the mystery may be solved. I thought I should pass it along in case anyone else is working with the Purisima del Rincon records.

Now if only the Purisima records gave abuelos, I could keep following that line back...

FTDNA - CBS Sunday Morning, 4/26

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Baptisms in Aguascalientes - 1807-1812

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I have not had success in finding baptism certificates in El Sagrario for
the years 1807-1812.

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Published by RJQ – Wed, 2015-04-22 11:43 | Permalink

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Daniel, some of the dates in that book are mix, if you go a bit further you will see the months of may and june over again for the year of 1808, look at the page 139 of the film, not the book page which is 128. For the second record look at the page 380, (203 of the book). Sometimes this entries are out of order because the baptisms were performed somewhere else, by the time they copied the entries in the main book some other baptisms had taken place. Some times is just the pages out of order, I also get really frustrated when this happens, but you get use to.

As a side note, when in doubt for a film number, look at the results from a general search, click on the individual name and they show the batch and film number, copy the number and look at it in the catalog. it will show the whole collection, there you can check if there is just one set of years for that specific film or if there is something wrong with the index. In this case the film number also appears in the first page

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Thank you. That is exactly what I needed to know. I was sure they existed somewhere! And I just came up with another one in the same book.

Your explanation makes total sense because they were probably performed in Jesus Maria.

Juan Francisco Reyes

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Born in Zapotlan el Grande 1747 to parents Juan Jose Dias and Gertrudis Reyes

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Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Thu, 2015-04-23 11:05 | Permalink

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umm you posted this twice, and maybe this ancestor of yours was a 'natural' child or his dad didn't exactly have a last name.

edit: i also found this, not sure if the bride and groom are the said person's parents but i'll share the link anways
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCF2-9RY

Jose Susano

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I found the baptismal record for Jose Susano in Bautiismos de Castas
1807-1812, Image #139, entry 63. This is in the Aguascalientes film
record of course.

Legend of Gigantes of Tala, Jalisco, Mexico

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I am looking at this video about the legend of giants in Tala, Jalisco, Mexico:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHHoib4KuVU

Says they were called "chinametin" and were 35 feet tall.

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Published by MADERA_32 – Mon, 2015-04-20 23:55 | Permalink

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I did a search "Gigantes" in the PARS website:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

And a list came up. I filtered it to Archivo de Indias and several came up.

On this particular one reference number: PATRONATO,177,N.1,R.4

Year 1520: "Declaración del licenciado Rodrigo de Figueroa, juez de residencia, sobre que todas la islas que no estaban pobladas de cristianos eran de indios bárbaros caribes, excepto las de la Trinidad, Lucayos, Barbados, Gigantes y Margarita."

And it has documents to read.

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http://oi59.tinypic.com/14471w8.jpg

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Never knew about this folklore from Tala, I guess Antonio Tello and the Native folks he interview where also discovering the wonders of Peyote and Marihuana :). Joke aside, some true can be rescued from this fantastic tales of lore, for example we know that there where several waves of natives, some who came at later times and took over the ones already established there, many times by force, like the Aztecs and some groups of the Cazcanes, thus the reocupation is understandable. I like to believe that there was also a motive for "the Giants" to appear in the stories. Jalisco (and many other parts of Mexico and the America continent) is also known to have Mammoth fossils, my Dad used to have some tooth that looked as if they belong to this animals about 2.5 inches per side, he found them while working on the fields, but they fell apart with the years. I'm pretty sure Natives encounter this types of fossils, it wouldn't surprise me if thats one of the reasons why they made up the

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He he he...thank you for your comment RJQ. But even when the indios have tales of a race of Giants? The Capitanes of all those Ships that crossed the Atlantic also have their tales of Giant Sea Monsters in the Sea and also they include them on their maps.

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Well, many cultures have some sort of Giants or Monsters, and what else not, in Europe they are also artistic depictions to "spice up" documents, paintings, architecture, etc. For the most part regular folks where the only ones who believed it. There is also "sirenas", giant snakes or dragons, etc. among Sailors. The exploration of America and Asia gave, no doubt, lots of inspiration to this kind of folk tales, specially seeing such a variety of Animals and Plants. Darwing's theory was also inspired by this lands biodiversity. There is a Edgar A. Poe tale called "The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket" that nicely depict some of the ideas that born out the early explorations but that where sill alive in the 1800's.

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