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Thank you very much for the detailed information on how the original rancho
de Joan de Angon (1633) became Estancia Rio Chico in 1681 and finally
changed to Hacienda Santa Rosa.

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hacienda San Jose de Ajojucar

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Hello Bob,

I too descend from Juan Miguel Lozano and Lorenza Diaz de Sandi and have the following information for 3 of their daughters:

1. Luisa m. Ignacio Bernardo Gonzalez on May 6, 1752 in Teocaltiche. The marriage record states that Luisa is 'originaria de'
el Agostadero.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19052-55616-23?cc=1874591&wc…

2. Ana Gertrudis m. Francisco Lorenzo Perez Gallo on May 10, 1756 in Teocaltiche. The marriage record states Ana to be 'originaria de' la hacienda de Senor San Jose, which is probably the hacienda San Jose de Ajojucar. Ana is also listed with the surname Trillo.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19050-62263-85?cc=1874591&wc…
http://vamonosalbable.blogspot.com/2013/06/la-hacienda-de-san-jose-de-a…

3. Juana Maria aka Juana Maria de los Dolores. baptized Sept 17, 1752 and born Sept. 9, 1752. Juana m. Manuel Victoriano Gonzalez de Hermosilo on October 30, 1775 in Teocaltiche

The García de Alba of Jalisco

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While researching the ancestry of my fifth great-grandmother Lorenza de Aguilar y García de Alba (born 1740 in Cocula, Jalisco), I discovered that she descended through her maternal line from Francis

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Garcia de Alba match

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Hi,

I'm also descended from the Garcia de Alba family. Specifically from Hernando Garcia de Alba, son of Francisco Garcia de Alba and Casilda de Ortega y Maldonado.

The information on here is great!

-Thanks,

Erika

book find

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I am very grateful for my copy. It cost me, no lie, about $14.00 dollars. It's the 1951 edition. The quality of the paper is not that great since it's post WWII paper. The paper looks almost tan. The central public Library in Los Angeles has a copy in the genealogy reference section. I had been photocopying that book until I got my copy.

If you want, shoot me an email on the particular surname that interests you and I will scan those pages that refer. The book has two major sections. The first part deals with Spanish land grants, who inhereted what, sold what to whom, some quotations from last wills and testaments (where the genealogy gems come from). The second part of the book is entitled Bioteca de Occidente Conquistadores y Conquista Fundadores y Fundaciones Pobladores y Plobazones - Incluso lo de Ameca.

P 67 of this second section for Garcia de Alba reads as follows:

GARCIA DE ALBA, CAP. JUAN - Originario de Tecolotlan hijo de Francisco Garcia de Alba y de Casilda de Ortega

Arriola

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Gil Ramirez

I am interested in reading this book or any scanned documents from "Bioteca de Occidente Conquistadores y Conquista Fundadores".

Is there a digitized copy?

I descend from the surname Arriola (Arreola). My research on this line is stuck in Cocula, Jalisco (1771).

As a kid my maternal grandfather would tell me that his father told him that there were 4 surnames that founded the city of Union de Tula.

He mentioned his own, Arreola(Arriola) and Topete. I could not remember the rest of the surnames until 30 plus years later I searched Union De Tula on Wikipedia and read the other 2 (Lazcano and Villasenor).

Still not sure if Lazcano and Villasenor were mentioned by my grandfather.

My Grandfather was born in Santa Catarina, Jalisco, Mex. His grandfather, Camilo Arreola, travelled back and forth from Palmar de Los Pelayos and Santa Catarina.

My great grandpa x6, was married in Cocula Jalisco (1771).

Any Arriola (Arreola) info would be greatly appreciated

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-63607-43?cc=1874591&wc…

Union de Tula

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Hello Gil, We lived in Union for several years, in fact our neighbors were Arriolas, but have since died. You are correct in that the name Tula was a combination of Topete, Villasenor, Loscano, and Arriola. People with these names still live in Union.
Union is a great place to visit. They celebrate La Fiesta de Octubre this year from about the 11th to the 19th.

Deedra Corona

Book

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I photocopied the book you are looking for in the early 1990's. It was at the library in Juchitlán, where my family is from. If there is any information you would like from the book I would be more than happy to get it for you.

I also descend from the Garcia de Alba line from Tecolotlán.

Mabel Covarrubias de Doucette

Garcia de Alba

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Hello Mabel,

Several of us have the same Garcia de Alba line. Does the book provide any more detail to the information than what was already mentioned, such as the names or dates of the other descendants? What other families are mentioned? How many pages does the book contain?

Thank you for this wonderful offer.
Deedra

more details Garcia de Alba

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Hi Deedra,

It seems that I do not have the ability to upload content to Nuestros Ranchos, otherwise I would have uploaded the pages where the GARCIA DE ALBA are mentioned in the book Ameca Protofundacion.

In addition to the direct quote provided in another post, the GARCIA DE ALBA are mentioned in pages 220 (two instances), p.233 and p. 261.

I will scan these pages sometime next week for you and we will find a way to get them to you so you.

topete

Juan Garcia de Alva

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I have a Juan Garcia de Alva married to a Rosa de la Cueva, and they had a daughter named Damiana Vicencia Garcia de Alva born on 23 Sep 1743 in Ejutla. Damiana married Francisco Moscoso Gonzalez-Corona on 15 Dec 1766 in Autlan. Does anyone have the parents for Juan Garcia de Alva that might connect him with the already mentioned Garcia de Alvas?

Thanks!

Sergio Salés

Juan Garcia de Alva

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I believe I have the same couple as you: Here is the marriage I have:
14 April, 1738
Page 75
Image 392
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18715-15394-58?cc=1874591&wc…

Rosa was the first wife and Juan Francisco later married Josefa Rosales:
19 February, 1746
Page 44, #212
Image 60
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-3932-9?cc=1874591&wc=1…

This is the baptism I have for Juan Francisco:

12 October, 1717
Page 58
Image 337
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-66057-35?cc=1874591&wc…

His Burial:
13 February, 1773
Page 26
Image 76
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18562-7901-48?cc=1874591&wc=…

Hope this is helpful--if this is the same Juan then you and my husband are related!!! Contact me for any questions

Deedra Corona

Juan vs Francisco

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Thanks Deedra,

That was extremely helpful! My only question is why you determined that Juan and Francisco Garcia de Alva are the same person rather than brothers? If they are the same person, I am wondering why at his second marriage they did not mention his first wife? Usually they say that a person was married and give the name of the dead spouse.

Thanks again!

Sergio Salés

Juan Garcia de Alba

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Sergio, I have reviewed my tree and supporting documents. I searched all of the documents I have and he is always referred to as "Francisco." I believe you must be right as I am also unable to locate a burial for Rosa as well in Ejutla and can't understand why I combined them into one person. Based on this I am making Juan a separate son from Francisco. This is why it is important to share and collaborate!
Deedra Corona

Reconsidering, but not sure

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Hi Deedra,

Having re-reviewed the documents you sent me I realized that this link calls him Juan Francisco Garcia de Alva. So that may be where you got the idea that they are the same person
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-66057-35?cc=1874591&wc…

So, it is possible they are the same person, but the ones that call Juan and only Juan (such as his marriage to Rosa de la Cueva in 1738 only call him Juan. I think what I am going to do is try to review the baptisms in Tecolotlan and see if I can find a baptism for a Juan Garcia de Alva. I would basically start around 1704 and move forward.

Sergio Salés

Juan Francisco Garcia de Alba

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Hello Sergio,
I'm sorry that I didn't see your response earlier. I think our previous conclusion that there are two Juans was correct. Here is the baptism for Juan Francisco:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-66057-35?cc=1874591&wc….

I couldn't find a baptism for Juan. I also checked for Matrimonial Information for the 1746 marriage of Juan Francisco but found nothing. However, I did locate the baptism for Maria, daughter of Juan and Rosa de la Cueva dated: 7 May, 1746

So I guess, unless Juan was a total cad, that is pretty definitive evidence that there were two separate sons of Manuel Garcia de Alba and Nicolasa Santa Ana: Juan and Juan Francisco!!
Deedra Corona

Juan Francisco Garcia de Alba

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Gil Topete

Thank you both for clarifying this name information - I descend from two branches of the Garcia de Alba family.

1) Francisco Garcia de Alba who was married to Casilda de Ortega also had another wife (or mistress) named Teodora de la Madriz. Together they had a daughter named Maria Josepha Garcia de Alba. She married Manuel Antonio Pérez de Alencastre:

Page 353, File 1154559 bottom left. Also lists witnesses as Antonio Garcia de Alba and Catalina Gonzalez de la Madriz (were they sisters or mother and daughter?).
Location: Corazon De Jesus,Tecolotlan,Jalisco,Mexico, July 25 1724.

From this union their grand-daughter Antonia Ubalda would marry Antonio Jose Martin Michel.
This line of Michels intersect with the Topetes who descend from Catalina de Ortega, sister of Casilda de Ortega.

2) But I also descend from Francisco Garsia de Alba and Casilda de Ortega through the above mentioned union. My great-great grandfather was Florencio Topete Garcia de Alba and through

Francisco Garcia de Alba

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Hello Mr. Topete, I too have been working some with the families around the area of Tecolotlan, Ayutla, Ejutla, and Union de Tula. I think you may be having the same problem that others of us have had..to many people with the same name. There are actually two persons, father and son, named Francisco Garcia de Alba. The first was married to Casilda de Ortega. Their son was married to Teodora de la Madriz. There is a document that you will find very interesting and helpful where Francisco II attempts to reestablish his marriage with Teodora.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18404-63779-54?cc=1874591&wc…
Further evidence is that the burial of Francisco II mentions him being a widower of Teodora
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18562-9165-48?cc=1874591&wc=…

Antonio Garcia de Alba was also a son of Francisco and Casilda de Ortega. They were married in Autlan 29 June, 1707 and it does appear that Teodora and

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18531-34943-19?cc=1874591&wc…

Francisco Garcia de Alba II

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Gil Topete

Hello Deedra, thank you for clarifying which Francisco Garcia de Alba I should be focused on with the attached links. I had the information regarding Antonio but I wasn't ready to link Teodora to her sister since up until your email, I didn't know Teodora (Theodora) full name was Gonzales de la Madris.

As for my other family connections my direct line only links to the Corona's very early where I have Juan Michel-Ordonez married to Graciana Corona. This information was passed to me be Alfredo Pena Perez though I have no paper trail to confirm what I think is the understood Michel lineage amongst the families.

And the only Cobarrubias so far is through one of the Michel brothers marrying Juana Uribe Cobarrubias circa 1750.

Theodora Gonzalez de la Madriz

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Here is the death record for Theodora Gonzalez de la Madriz. She died in Autlan 4 Feb 1722.

Sergio Salés

Burial of Theodora Gonzales de la Madriz

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Thank you Sergio. I didn't have this. I went page by page through this book some time ago and didn't see it. Even after you gave the information it was a little difficult because of the way it is written.
Thank you,
Deedra Corona

Francesca Gonzales de La Madriz same page

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Sergio, did you notice the last entry on that page appears to be
Francesca Gonzalez de la Madriz? Or is it Francisco? Up until
this moment I only knew of Catalina as the other sister.

Regards

Gil

Sisters?

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Hi Gil,

I think it is FranciscA, because of the a on "española." It says she was single and unfortunately does not list her parents, so I can't say for certain whether she was a sister of Theodora and Catalina Gonzalez de la Madriz.

Sergio

Francisco Garcia de Alba

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Hi,

I am also a descendant of Francisco Garcia de Alba. Efigenia Garcia de Alba y Guzman who married Joseph de Santana. Their son Clemente Santana married a Corona, Gabriela Corona.

Gil, I have you connected to my Rivera family page on myheritage.com :)

Deedra, I believe we met at the Nueva Galicia Genealogy Society of SoCal last month. Look forward to sharing more of our family trees. :)

-Erika Rivera

Garcia de Alba

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Each of us benefits when we work together--and this is a major find. Thank you for sharing.
I too have this line through Francisco and Casilda's son: Fernando Garcia de Alba and Clara Gusman de Velasco. I checked on this book (Ameca Protofundacion Mexicana; by Jesus Amaya Topete) and it is currently unavailable for sale anywhere, but there is a copy at UC Berkley--I'm not sure if they would allow a loan.

I know that many of us have Garcia de Alba lines and also Gomes, Michel, Dias, Cobian, and others from this area--this information would be extremely helpful.

Thank you
Deedra Corona

The García de Alba of Jalisco

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I have Francisco Garcia de alba Ruiz married to Mariana Clara Casilda
Ortega Maldonado as parents of Fernando Garcia de Alba Ortega (born 25
april 1671 tecolotlan) that married Clara Guzman, their daughter Clara
Garcia de Alba Guzman married Antonio Cobian on feb 14 1733 in Ejutla they
are my 9th. direct antecesors.

And they are related to the Michel, Santaana, Covian, and serveral other
families in the area...

Do you have the link between Francisco Garcia de Alba and the one you
called his great grand son that I have in my tree.

Let me if I can find that book I am sure I would be very interesting for my
own research!

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:34 AM, wrote:

> While researching the ancestry of my fifth great-grandmother Lorenza de
> Aguilar y García de Alba (born 1740 in Cocula, Jalisco), I discovered that
> she descended through her maternal line from Francisco García de Alba, who
> in 1563, was granted land in Ayutla, Jalisco by the second Viceroy of New
> Spain. According

García de Alba

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Hello Marthaharo, and thank you for replying!

I descend directly from Manuel García de Alba y Ortega (born in 1678 in Ameca), the son of Francisco García de Alba and Casilda de Ortega Maldonado. Manuel married Nicolasa Santa Ana in 1704 in Tecolotlán. Their daughter, Casilda García de Alba y Santa Ana (named after her paternal grandmother, matronymic), married Juan Martín de Aguilar of Cocula. Juan Martín and Casilda had Lorenza de Aguilar y García de Alba, my fifth great-grandmother.

As Amaya Topete describes in his book, the first patriarch of the family was Francisco García de Alba who lived in Ayutla during the 16th century, and whose descendants spread all over central Jalisco. I found this out, because when searching for Francisco García de Alba in Google Books, an excerpt came up with these words and attributing as a preview of "Ameca, protofundación mexicana" by Amaya Topete.

Here's the excerpt:

"Un patriarca de la región, don Francisco García de Alba, se instaló por 1563

García de Alba

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Books that are listed as out of print, etc may be true. When this is the case you need to hunt down private collectors or private libraries that are selling the book. With luck any book can be located. I found a copy of Ameca, Protofundación Mexicana por Amaya, Jesús. It is quite a bit of money, about $400 it ships from Mexico City, Librería Tardes en la Alameda.

Here is the link:
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/AMECA-PROTOFUNDACI%C3%93N-MEXICANA-Historia-p…

Saludos,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Río de Janeiro, Brasil

García de Alba

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o puedo ir a buscarlo ja!!!, gracias Daniel a ver si me doy una vueltita el
fin de semana igual y me sirve de paseo

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:46 AM, wrote:

> Books that are listed as out of print, etc may be true. When this is the
> case you need to hunt down private collectors or private libraries that are
> selling the book. With luck any book can be located. I found a copy of
> Ameca, Protofundación Mexicana por Amaya, Jesús. It is quite a bit of
> money, about $400 it ships from Mexico City, Librería Tardes en la Alameda.
>
> Here is the link:
> http://www.abebooks.co.uk/**AMECA-PROTOFUNDACI%C3%93N-**
> MEXICANA-Historia-propiedad-**valle/1378008608/bd
>
> Saludos,
> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
> Río de Janeiro, Brasil
>
>

García de Alba

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De nada Patty,

Tu primo,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Río de Janeiro, Brasil

GARCIA de ALBA

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See page 67 for exact details http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20833

Juliana Francisca Isabel - Youngest Daughter of Don Fernando De La Campa Y Cos (Hacienda San Mateo, Valparaiso, Zacatecas, MX

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Juliana Francisca Isabel was the youngest daughter of the Conde Don Fernando De La Campa Y Cos of the Hacienda San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico.

Information on the Lozano family at Rio Chico

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My name is Bob Lozano, and this is my first posting. During my retirement I
have been researching my genealogy and found that my Lozano lineage goes
back to Rio Chico, in Jalisco.

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Information on the Lozano

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Well I am glad you asked. Joan Angon (Juan Angon) I believe was the grandfather of my 7th generation great grandmother Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735) who was married to my 7th generation great grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709), where my 7th GG Grandparents resided at Minillas, Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico.

I have copies of documents from the cofradia (1632 - 1700) archive of Huejuquilla over the whole span when at first it was always referred to as:

"En La Cofradia De La Limpia Concepcion en la capilla del rancho de Joan De Angon"

Then later on it switches to "En La Cofradia De La Limpia Concepcion en la capilla del rancho de Esteban Angon"

Then the title and name of the rancho switches to Estancia del Rio Chico, which at that time in 1681 it made reference as to the "Estancia Rio Chico que pertenece a dos herederos de Esteban Angon."

One of those herederos is Juana Angon. The other supposedly should be Maria Angon as she appears twice in 1684 as a "Tenanche

FW: research state of Jalisco

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I present this information just in case anyone in the group happens to be
related to the families mentioned below.

If Anyone Finds The Marriage Record of Antonio Madera (1660? - 1709?) and Maria Candelaria Angon (1655? - 1735)??

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My 7th GG Grandparents:

Antonio Madera (1660? - 1709?) and Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655?-1735)

They resided at Minillas, Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico

which marriage dispensatin collection would you like me to start indexing next

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http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/

i've finished the 1825 collection recently. is there another collection not on my blog or claudia's that you would like t be indexed?

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which marriage dispensatin

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I would suggest going over the ORDENES microfilms after finishing the dispensas, preferably not naming just the person doing the request, but also all the family members mentioned in the documents (parents in most of the cases, sometimes grandparents).
Victoriano Navarro

which marriage dispensatin

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oops i made some spelling errors in the post above

Chinacos of Mexico (Dress Style)

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Who where the Chinacos of Mexico? They didn't have anything to do with Chinese.

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Chinacos of Mexico (Dress

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It looks to me that they are more a romanticized group than a historical fact, the sources (a least in wikipedia are at best poor).

If "Chinos" then they were of African and Indigenous mix, but if we take in account their supposedly attire, they could easily have descended /influenced by Muslims (the ones called Moros because their African blood) or "Gitanos" in the Andalusia region.

Indeed "Chino" wasn't a Asian term on the colonial casts.

finding records

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Iam trying to access Family Search 5/9/2015 records and the loading button is not working is there another site I can look for actual records like family search for Zacatecas Mexico or maybe the site

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finding records

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iam trying to search 1800s records but when i posted it sounded like i meant that i was searching 5/9/2015 records. sorry i meant today i can not search because the load button is not working when i try to search

finding records

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At times Family Search goes down for a while for maintenance, during this time either slows down considerably or simple close any access, some times takes a minute or two but it can be even more than an hour.

Also is good to clear the "cache" from your browser once in a while, some files there get old or corrupted preventing websites from loading correctly or at all.

finding records

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thanks for the advise it started working again

OLIVARES

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Estoy buscando el apellido OLIVARES que al parecer tiene origenes en los
Altos de Jalisco.
Alguien tiene datos sobre este apellido?
Gracias

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Olivar Familia

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yo tengo unos datos Copias de paples importantes y photos de Jose Ana Olivar Padilla y de M Cresencia Guiterrez Gonzales y sus higos.

POr favor de mandarme su informacion y la informacion de nuestra familia.

Olivar Familia

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yo tengo unos datos Copias de paples importantes y photos de Jose Ana Olivar Padilla y de M Cresencia Guiterrez Gonzales y sus higos.

POr favor de mandarme su informacion y la informacion de nuestra familia.

Olivar Familia

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yo tengo unos datos Copias de paples importantes y photos de Jose Ana Olivar Padilla y de M Cresencia Guiterrez Gonzales y sus higos.

POr favor de mandarme su informacion y la informacion de nuestra familia.

Olivares

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Hola, acabo de ver su pregunta, tengo familia de Olivares que vivieron en San Juan de los Lagos. La mama de mi bisabuelo fue Ursula Olivar, nacida 10/21/1862. Fue hija de Juan de Dios Olivar y Crescencia Padilla. Ellos dos casaron 10/13/1858. Juan de Dios Olivar nacio 3/8/1843, fue hijo de Miguel Olivar y Margarita Munoz. Ellos dos casaron 10/4/1809, no se donde. Todos los otros vivieron en San Juan de los Lagos.

El nombre Olivar y Olivares son lo mismo yo creo. Todos llamaron a la mama de bisabuelo, Ursula Olivares. Pero los otro documents dicen Olivar.

Espero que este informacion le ayude. Puede ver este informacion en mis arboles, en mis "files", no se como decirlo en espanol. Busque mi arbol que tiene el nombre "Concepcion Martin" Soy bien pocho, espero que entiende todo que trato de decir.
Roberto

Roberto Martinez

Olivares, poco mas

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Disculpe, olvide algo. Los papas de Miguel Olivar fueron Antonio Olivar y Manuela Prado. No tengo mas informacion de ellos, encontre sus nombres en otro documento.

Ud. tiene familia que conecta con esta gente?
Roberto

Roberto Martinez

OLIVAR

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Ruth Olivar Millan

SI Roberto creo que somos los mismos......Donde vives? quiero hablar con tigo.

Juan Olivar

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Ruth Olivar Millan
como sabes que los padres son o fueron, Miguel Olivar fueron antionio Olivar y manuela Prado?
Donde allaste esa informacion?
Porfavor comparte.

Olivares

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hi my name is cecilia Noonen and Juan Olivar (Olivares) and Cresencia Padilla are my GGGgrandparents, I would love to talk with you about our families. my tree is on the nuestros ranchos site. hope to hear from you

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: malinallitekpatl@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:38:49 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Olivares
>
> Hola, acabo de ver su pregunta, tengo familia de Olivares que vivieron en San Juan de los Lagos. La mama de mi bisabuelo fue Ursula Olivar, nacida 10/21/1862. Fue hija de Juan de Dios Olivar y Crescencia Padilla. Ellos dos casaron 10/13/1858. Juan de Dios Olivar nacio 3/8/1843, fue hijo de Miguel Olivar y Margarita Munoz. Ellos dos casaron 10/4/1809, no se donde. Todos los otros vivieron en San Juan de los Lagos.
>
> El nombre Olivar y Olivares son lo mismo yo creo. Todos llamaron a la mama de bisabuelo, Ursula Olivares. Pero los otro documents dicen Olivar.
>
> Espero que este informacion le ayude. Puede ver

http://www.myheritage.com/site-42105161/olivar

Olivar, Padilla, Martin

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Juan Olivar and Cresencia Padilla were my great grand parents. My grandfather Joseana Olivar was Ursula's younger brother. Ursula Olivar married Doroteo Martin.
contact me for more inf. My father was j. Luciano Olivar. We visited my dad's cousins we were little kids.

Ruth Olivar Millan

Familia Olivar

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Familia Olivar

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Urusula Olivar Padilla married Doroteo Martin. My Grandfather Joseana Olivar Padilla was her youngest Brother. Urusalas parents were Juan Olivar and Crecencia Padilla. My father was J. Luciano Olivar. He died young. but I remember visiting cousins in Watsonville that were related on this branch.

Familia Olivar

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http://www.myheritage.com/site-42105161/olivar

Urusula is my Grand father's

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http://www.myheritage.com/site-42105161/olivar

OLIVARES

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Sylvia - tengo a Rodrigo Olivares en Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco
casado con Maria Hurtado de Mendoza en 1588

he encontrado 4 hijas:
Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza (caso con Luis Padilla Davila)
Francisca Hurtado de Mendoza
Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza
Isabel de Olivares (caso con Juan Jimenez)

-Angelina-

OLIVARES

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Gracias Angelina.
Aun no voy tan atraz, estoy apenas en los anos mas o menos mediados de
1800.
Pero por lo menos se que ando por lugares posibles.
Gracias

OLIVARES

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Sylvia,

Si pones mas datos acerca de los que estas buscando seria mejor. Asi te
podremos ayudar mas. Agrega fechas esposas/os hijos matrimonios, lugares,
etc.

2009/2/1 Sylvia Corona

> Gracias Angelina.
> Aun no voy tan atraz, estoy apenas en los anos mas o menos mediados de
> 1800.
> Pero por lo menos se que ando por lugares posibles.
> Gracias

OLIVARES

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Ruth Olivar Millan
Eduardo H. Seo ane......por favor de incluir mi familia soy de la descendencia.

rutholivarmillan@sbcglobal.net
(408) 272-8790 San Jose USA.

Muchas gracias

OLIVARES

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Ruth,

Lo que estoy tratando de decir es que cuando uno pide ayuda en el foro debe
de agregar información a su peticion que sea util para que personas del
grupo puedan ayudar. Por ejemplo, puede uno decir que esta buscando fulanito
de tal nacido alrrededor de 1850 en Los Altos y que tenia una hermana
llamada Sofia. De esa manera el grupo puede ayudar a
encontrar posibilidades. Normalmente con mayor información tendra
uno mejores resultados.

Saludos desde Lago Salado (Salt Lake City, Utah)
Eduardo H Seoane
EduardoHSeoane@gmail.com

OLIVARES

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Está usted en lo correcto.

¿Conoce usted bien el tema de Luis de Padilla Dávila e Isabel de Mendoza, acerca del hijo Diego, antepasado de los Acosta de Aguascalientes?

Tengo una hipótesis acerca del padre de Rodrigo Olivares, ¿Le interresaría conocerla?

GTT

OLIVARES

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QUe es su hiptoesis la mayoridad de genealogistas que estudian Los Altos tenemos nuestroshipotesis e ideas de toda cosa, ja ja.
Daniel

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: gmotovar@prodigy.net.mx
> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:06:09 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] OLIVARES
>
> Está usted en lo correcto.
>
> ¿Conoce usted bien el tema de Luis de Padilla Dávila e Isabel de Mendoza, acerca del hijo Diego, antepasado de los Acosta de Aguascalientes?
>
> Tengo una hipótesis acerca del padre de Rodrigo Olivares, ¿Le interresaría conocerla?
>
> GTT

OLIVARES

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Primero, ¿ya sabía usted que el hijo de Luis Padilla Dávila Isabel de
Mendoza era hijo natural? Ja j aja

Segundo, le sugiero leer la ficha del Icaza acerca de Francisco de Olivares,
yerno de Cristobal Romero. Dice que casó con una hija suya.

Tercero, ha leído usted el expediente del AGI de Sevilla, acerca de Baltazar
de la Peña y Medina, Gobernador del Provisorato del Obispado de Guadalajara,
a mediados del siglo XVII?? Dice que hubo un Olivares y Medina, natural de
Aguascalientes, que era su abuelo. ¿Sabía usted algo de eso? Ja ja ja.

Saludos cordiales

GTT

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Daniel
Mendez de Camino
Enviado el: Miércoles, 23 de Junio de 2010 09:41 a.m.
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] OLIVARES

QUe es su hiptoesis la mayoridad de genealogistas que estudian Los Altos
tenemos nuestroshipotesis e ideas de toda cosa, ja ja.
Daniel

OLIVARES

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Sr. Guillermo, perdón que me meta en el tema de su conversación, pero a mi si me interesa saber cual es su hipótesis acerca del padre de Rodrigo de Olivares. Yo desciendo de Rodrigo de Olivares, por cuatro de sus hijas, aunque tengo la duda de si es la misma mujer Isabel de Olivares e Isabel de Mendoza, o son dos hijas distintas.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: as HOT as always
www.hotmailhotness.com.mx

Olivares

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Primero, ¿ya sabía usted que el hijo de Luis Padilla Dávila Isabel de Mendoza era hijo natural? Ja j aja

Segundo, le sugiero leer la ficha del Icaza acerca de Francisco de Olivares, yerno de Cristobal Romero. Dice que casó con una hija suya.

Tercero, ha leído usted el expediente del AGI de Sevilla, acerca de Baltazar de la línea De la Peña y Medina, Gobernador del Provisorato del Obispado de Guadalajara, a mediados del siglo XVII?? Dice que hubo un Olivares y Medina, natural de Aguascalientes, que era su abuelo. ¿Sabía usted algo de eso? Ja ja ja.

Saludos cordiales

GTT

Can someone help me read the name on this line of year 1649 Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico?

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I was looking at entierros of Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico and on page 10 which is year 1649:

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Can someone help me read the

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unfortunately it is cut off, but by looking at the other side, i'm not sure if these records are death records or not. i think they may actually be either birth or confirmation records due to the sheer number listing of names are parents

Can someone help me read the

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It does says Angon and the first visible letter seems to me an "A" thus it was probably referring to a daughter. like Katy said is a Confirmation entry; "hija de Juo. de angon i Juana M. Cat. de Gomes?/Gusman?" Godparent is not visible due to the tight binding.

Can someone help me read the

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Thanks Katy and RJQ for replying.

I have here a description of Juan De Angon on Pasejero de Indias to Mexico in 1606. There was a Juan De Angon who also had a son name Juan Angon:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2wn6y34.jpg

In the PARS website the reference no. is: CONTRATACION,5295,N.10

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

I have traced Juan Angon. He shows up in the "Cofradias 1632 - 1700" archive of Huejuquilla El Alto. Where almost every page starts out with, "En La Cofradia De La Limpia Concepcion en la Capilla de este Rancho De Juan De Angon" Year 1633 for example. He had a son name Esteban Angon where then it refers to him as "Rancho de Esteban Angon" which later changed to "Estancia De Esteban Angon" By 1681, then it mentions that En la Estancia que le pertenece a dos herederos de Esteban Angon:

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The Estancia changed name to "Rio Chico"

One of those herederos is suppose to be Juana Angon. The other could be my 7th

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2qwoa3l.jpg

Can someone help me read the

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did your ancestor antonio madera have a daughter named maria luz with a juana espinosa?

if so this may be of use to you
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-23734-18?cc=1874591&wc…

Can someone help me read the

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Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) and Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735) had these kids in the Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico area:

Joseph Madera (1684 - 1734)
Manuela Madera (1686 - 1738)
Geronimo Madera
Juan Madera
Maria Madera

The Guadalajara Diosesis? Can you tell me more about what that contains? If you find any on Antonio Madera or Maria De La Candelaria Angon Or Joseph Madera their son. Can you let me know?

If I go into that Guadalajara Diosesis and look for matrimonio of Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) and Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735) in the time frame around 1680 - 1687, do you think I can find their matrimonio in there?

Can someone help me read the

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Here in this link on the Diocesis of Guadalajara beginning on page 144 and for the next several pages it mentions "Maria De La Candelaria Angon" of Mezquitic beinb married to Antonio Madera of Mezquitic:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18412-32905-83?cc=1874591&wc…

I believe you were the one that originally found this. I have a question about this archive of the Diocesis of Guadalajara? Is it random in terms of finding relatives from a certain town? Is it organized by geographic location to as to look up the archives of Diocesis of Guadalajara in the Valparaiso, Mezquitic, Huejuquilla region? Or is it just random?

Can someone help me read the

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the guadalajara dispensas found under the Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records, 1590-1979 category is organized randomly, and the Mexico, Archdiocese of Guadalajara, Miscellaneous Marriage Records collection has them organized by location usually.

also nvm about the last link, i looked some names on that tree and it seems unlikely that the antonio on that tree on my last link is your ancestor

Reconocimiento como descendiente de moctezuma

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buenas tardes
compañeros de este foro

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Reconocimiento como

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Que tal si contactas a la persona que tiene hoy en dia el Ducado de Moctezuma, (previamente Condes si no me equivoco) Me imagino que debe haber bastante información en sus troncos genealogicos para poder conectar otras ramas. También es posible que la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heraldica te pueda dar mas informacion al respecto. Suerte!

Reconocimiento como

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buen dia RJQ

HABIA PENSADO EN ESA POSIBILIDAD DE CONTACTA A LOS DUQUE AUNQUE LO VEO MUY DIFICIL
PERO LO INTENTARE HAVER Y ME PUEDEN AYUDAR OJALA Y SE PUEDA NECESITO MUCHA SUERTE

MUCHAS GRACIAS POR RESPONDERME MIS MENSAJES SE LOS AGRADEZCO MUCHO
QUE TENGAN UN EXCELENET DIA
ESTAMOS EN CONTACTO
CUALQUIER INFONMACION QUE ENCUENTRER LA PUBLICARE

SALUDOS

Petronila Sotelo de Moctezuma

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Para que te reconozcan como descediente de Moctezuma se necessitate encontrar el documento que yo vi en la bibliotheca de la Iglesia de los Mormones en Westwood, Los Angeles. Con este documento Nadie puede negar que Petronila desciende de Moctezuma. El problema es que no lo he podido encontrar. El senor que lo encontro tiene que saber donde esta este documento. Yo no mas lo vi con mis propio ojos. No se de donde lo saco, no mas se que dicen que todo los rollos que estaban en la bibliotheca todavia estan alli pero en differente lugar porque movieron todo cuando remodelaron la biblioteca.

Yo recuerdo que el senor que primero encontro este documento estaba estudiando la familia Ruiz de Esparza y queria escribir un Libro. No era la primera vez que encontre este senor. Necessito regresar a la bibliotheca y preguntar si alguien conoce este senor.
R A Ricci

Preguntas Documento Petronila Moctezuma / Westwood CA

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Tengo algnas preguntas sobre el documento alguna vez encontrado en el Family History Center de Westwood, California. Tal vez las respuestas ayuden a encontrarlo más rápidamente:

a) ¿Era microflilm o documento en papel --hoja suelta, libro, etc.--?
b) De ser microfilm, ¿era de los gruesos -unos 35 mm- o de los delgados -unos 16 m-?
c) ¿Tenía fondo claro y letras obscuras, o fondo obscuro y letras claras?
d) ¿Estaba escrito a mano o impreso mecánicamente?

Si era parte permanente del acervo, o si era un préstamo, tal vez haya un listado de lo que tenía la biblioteca en esa época, lo que facilitaría su identificación.

Hasta donde sé, yo no desciendo de ella, pero se ha hablado tanto de este documento y del que encontró el Sr. Guillermo Tovar de Teresa que me gustaría mucho que se dieran a la luz.

Saludos cordiales,
Victoriano Navarro

Documento de petronila sotelo de Moctezuma

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Era microfilm. Los dos estabamos haciendo copias cuando el hecho un grito. Fue mas que un grito. El senor estaba tremblando. Estaba escrito a mano y tenia mucho detalles.

Como yo vi el documento, yo puedo decir con toda confianza que Petronila desciende de Moctezuma. Mucha gente dicen que no pueden asegura que petronila sea descendiente porque yo no puedo presenter el documento. Esta bien. Ellos pueden quitar la de su arbol. Yo vi el documento entonces yo puedo tenerla en mi arbol con toda la confianza que es la verdad.

Yes, I was already at the copy machine and I did not get a copy of the document. We were sitting next to each other looking at our respective films and it was already well past closing time. They turned off the printer and said we could not make any copies. Instead of rereading the document over and over again, I should have asked him to make a copy. Neither one of us thought about making a copy until it was too late and the printer was turned off. They

http://132.248.9.195/ptd2009/junio/0644815/0644815_A7.pdf
http://132.248.9.195/ptd2009/junio/0644815/0644815_A9.pdf

Documento de petronila sotelo de Moctezuma

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UN CORDIAL SALUDO
POR CASUALIADD CONOCES QUE MICROFILM ERA?

Para Victoriano Navarro

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El documento que encontró en Guillermo pertenecía al Fondo Tierras en el AGN si mal no recuerdo; yo no lo vi. Guillermo me llamó una tarde y me comentó sobre este caso, había encontrado una repartición de bienes entre los Sotelo Moctezuma entre los que se incluían unas casas. El pleito era entre Fernando Sotelo Moctezuma y unas hermanas suyas entre las cuales se nombra a "una Petronila". No mencionaban a Martín de Gabay "El Navarro" ni se daban detalles de ella, el documento se enfocaba únicamente en los bienes. Eso fue lo que me comentó.

A quien le interese tiene que ir a los fondos del AGN y con toda la paciencia del mundo revisar sobre los Sotelo Moctezuma.

Un saludo,

Para Victoriano Navarro

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Muchas gracias por la información León de Tejada. Encontré en internet un par de capítulos de una tesis en la que mencionan tierras de Fernando Sotelo Moctezuma y da como fuentes:
AGNM: Libros de tierras y aguas, Vol 7, fs. 51-51v; Libro 23, fs. 443v-453

Tal vez ese sea un buen lugar para empezar.

Los espacios para la producción y estructuración del territorio en la región de Valladolid: una interpretación de la concepción de espacio en el Michoacán virreinal.
Tesis que para obtener el grado de Doctor en Geografía, presenta María del Carmen López Núñez ; asesor José Omar Moncada Maya. 312 páginas. Doctorado en Geografía UNAM, Facultad de Filosofía y Letras, 2009

Victoriano Navarro

Para Victoriano Navarro

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¡Estupendo, Victoriano! En lo personal siento que lo que llevará a finalmente cerrar el círculo entre Petronila la esposa de Martín Navarro y su relación con Moctezuma no está en partidas de bautismo o documentos que se puedan investigar en Familysearch, quizás me equivoque. Esto requiere de una investigación más profunda en archivos como el AGN o algunos regionales donde Fernando Sotelo ejerció sus cargos como Alcalde Mayor o tal vez en los Libros de Gobierno de la Audiencia de la Nueva Galicia. Lo que cito es lo que me comentó Guillermo, el documento era sobre un pleito entre hermanos sobre sus herencias y se menciona a una Petronila. Me habría gustado ser de más ayuda pero no sé más.

Petronila Sotelo de Moctezuma

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El documento sobre Lope Ruiz de Esparza que esta an la biblioteca si connecta Petronila Moctezuma a Martin Navarro y dice que son los suegros de Lope Ruiz de Esparza.

Guillermo Teresa de Tovar encontro otro documento que si nombra Martin como Martin Gabay "el de Navarro" y como esposo de Petronila Sotelo Moctezuma

R A Ricci

Petronila Moctezuma

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Many years ago there was a post regarding petronila Moctezuma that featured comments from Bill Figueroa, Jaime Alvarado and myself. I believe that the document that Bill Figueora is referring to is the document that I saw that closing day at the Westwood library. The excerpts that Bill give are exactly the way I remember reading them. I did send an email today to the gentleman that I believe was the man sitting next to me that found this document. Hopefully he will contact me soon. This is microfilm copy of original document. It is not a family group sheet.

I copied and pasted the post to refresh everyone's memory:

petronila moctezuma
Submitted by R.A.Ricci on Sat, 2009-08-01 00:30.
There is another document that I saw in the lds library in west los angeles where after 2 years after arriving in mexico ( I think Puebla) lope ruiz de esparza states that he is married to petronila moctezuma and it states that she is a descendent of Moctezuma II. If I recall correctly, it did

http://www.lafhl.org/sageentry.php

Petronila Moctezuma

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Well it seems that the LA FHL near Westwood has many microfilms form Guadalajara, Jalisco, Aguascalientes and Distrito Federal:

I hope it appears,
Victoriano Navarro

Petronila Moctezuma

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The gentleman that I tracked down was not the one that found the document. No luck yet there. But, .....in my notes there is a city written down on the paper. It is farther removed from everything else so I hadn't paid attention to it. The city Puebla is in a corner with nothing beside it. I wonder whether we haven't found it is because we keep looking for it in Jalisco Aguascalientes and Zacatecas. I will now include puebla and Mexico City.

The date of the document should read 1595 since he states that it has been two years since he arrived in what we now call Mexico. The document states that he had already married between when he arrived and the date of the document, two years later. I have him as marrying in 1594.
R A Ricci.

Petronila Sotelo de Moctezuma

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buen dia esta bien
quien seria ese señor?
ese señor estaba checando en microfilm?
me gustaría saber cuales fueron esos microfilm para poder estudiarlo aunque será un trabajo muy grande pero vale la pena

estamos en contacto RAricci
que tengas un excelente dia
espero y puedas saber quien era ese señor y que tipo de documento estaba estudiando seria un gran avance para todos que descendemos de Petronila

suerte
saludos

Defunto 1676 (Origin from Pampagna, Filipinas) in Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico

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I am going through defuntos of Zacatecas in the PARS website and I came across an interesting one.

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Defunto 1676 (Origin from

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Interesting, although born in the Philipines I am sure he was Spanish though. Natives from Asia under the Spanish were christianized rarely mentioned their origins, its said that in Mexico specially in Nueva Galicia there were many Asians that were brought during the colonial times but with Spanish names there was (and still is) no way to tell were they came from. Sometimes I wonder when I see country folks with really heavy mongoloid features if they (their features) belong to the Native American blood (Default) or descended from those brought from South Asia.

Defunto 1676 (Origin from

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One of my Dad's brothers is tall and gets confused for Chinese because of the way he looks.

Among my Dad's brothers and sisters, they all have different looks. One looks Chinese, but has green eyes. Another sister has pitch black hair that is straight, big blue eyes and a pinkish complexion. Another sister looks totally the opposite. Dark Complexion. Another Brother has dark short curly blonde hair, big blue eyes and a light complexion.

All of them were born in the ranchos in Mexico. The father that has same name as me, I was told that he had blue eyes.

There is a woman in our town who is a distant relative of mine. She was born and raised in our town in Mexico. But she looks unusual. She has a broad squarish face but she looks Asian too. And none of her parents or grandparents are Asian. Way up the ranchos of Mexico.

Defunto 1676 (Origin

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My father from Jerez told me that they had "chinos" in their area, but I think they were probably descendants of Filipinos brought there in ships by the Spanish traders. His grand-father was known as "el frances" because he had blue eyes, but I found no French in his lines, only espanoles, mestizos, and mulattos. We have very diverse ancestry.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
> Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 10:55:16 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Defunto 1676 (Origin
>
> One of my Dad's brothers is tall and gets confused for Chinese because of the
> way he looks. Among my Dad's brothers and sisters, they all have different
> looks. One looks Chinese, but has green eyes. Another sister has pitch black
> hair that is straight, big blue eyes and a pinkish complexion. Another sister
> looks totally the opposite. Dark Complexion. Another Brother has dark short
> curly blonde hair, big blue eyes and a light complexion

Defunto of Tomas De Onate/Juan De Onate 1677

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I came across the defunto records of Tomas De Onate and Juan De Onate.

Reference no. is CONTRATACION,460,N.1,R.1

for Pars website: http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

FW: Nuevo fuente de Microfilms

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Thank you Welester. .

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FW: Nuevo fuente de

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... and thank you for sharing, makas_nc
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

Microfilm Numbers of Hacienda San Mateo, Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico (1831 - 1973)

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Here is list of microfilm numbers to order for Hacienda San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico:

Microfilm Numbers for Zacatecas Public Records (1670 - 1752) Audencia De Nuevo Galicia

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Here is a list of microfilm numbers that you can order to look at:

San Jose de los Marque, Huejucar, Jalisco

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Does anyone have ancestors from here? Does anyone know the history? I just realized today that the official name is San Jose de los Marquez. Some of my family from there is Marquez.

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Huejucar

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I have many Marquez and Villegas in my family Tree Check it out on GEDCOM here at Nuestros Ranchos.

Joseph de Leon

Marquez/Villegas from Huejucar

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Hi Joseph,

It would seem we have some ancestors in common, though I'm not able to tell their relation to you.

Juan Antonio Polonio Marquez is my 4great grandfather, his father Jose Segundo Marquez de los Olibos is my 5th g grandfather.

I FINALLY found someone on here that I'm related to! Woo hoo!

Laura

Marquez/Villegas from Huejucar

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well segundo marquez is an eighth great grandfather of mines. i descend from him through his son Toribio

Marquez/Villegas from Huejucar

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Hola Laura ,so that makes you to related to Jose Marquez and Maria Ornelas- Mendoza
parents of Diego de Los Olivos Marquez ?
Ronnie
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mayangrl@sonic.net
> Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 21:30:36 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marquez/Villegas from Huejucar
>
> Hi Joseph, It would seem we have some ancestors in common, though I'm not
> able to tell their relation to you. Juan Antonio Polonio Marquez is my 4great
> grandfather, his father Jose Segundo Marquez de los Olibos is my 5th g
> grandfather. I FINALLY found someone on here that I'm related to! Woo hoo!
> Laura
>

Marquez/Villegas from Huejucar

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Ronnie,

Not sure. I don't have a Diego de los Olivos Marquez in my tree. Is his father Jose the son of Juan Antonio Polonio Marquez and Nasaria Villegas?

Laura

Marquez/Villegas from Huejucar

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Hola Laura ,Diego , parents were Jose Marquez and Maria Ornelas-Mendoza
Ronnie

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mayangrl@sonic.net
> Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 20:21:30 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marquez/Villegas from Huejucar
>
> Ronnie, Not sure. I don't have a Diego de los Olivos Marquez in my tree. Is
> his father Jose the son of Juan Antonio Polonio Marquez and Nasaria Villegas?
> Laura
>

Villegas

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Juan Villegas and Philipa Rodrigues were parents of Petrona Villegas and Bartolome Villegas. Bartolome was married to Nicolasa Rodrigues de Ortiz (b. 1705, Nochistlan). Her parents were Miguel Rodrigues and ...de la cruz and perhaps related to Juan de Aguayo and Catalina de la Cruz as they were padrinos. Bartolome and Nicolasa were parents to Juan Florencio Villegas (Ameca) who married Pascuala Flores in Colotlan in 1759. Does anyone see a connection anywhere?

Evie

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: josecarlos1944@hotmail.com
> Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 09:14:03 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Huejucar
>
> I have many Marquez and Villegas in my family Tree Check it out on GEDCOM
> here at Nuestros Ranchos. Joseph de Leon
>

I wonder what the town dance must have been like during Colonial times?

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A town dance or gathering during colonial times. Meeting people from other villages, towns, haciendas, ranchos at the dance.

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I wonder what the town dance

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The colonial times were also the Casta times, thus unlike post independence Mexico, the costumes did not differ much from those in Spain, therefore to understand them a little you can always check the culture and customs of the peninsula (also influenced by other cultures like the Muslims) As for the Spanish in Mexico and their families (mix or not) many times the marriages where prearranged, and those families in any given town knew each other very well, thus most of their kids would grow up knowing each other, many were even family, we can see a lot of marriages between relatives.

The Hacienda culture that you refer to, born around the 1850's, this is after the colonial times, with Mexico finally consolidating more or less as the country we know, the social status changed from castas to money and power, the structure of the Hacienda (not the unit measure any more) was taking shape to open it for new villages and towns (their government that is), by these times average folks would be

social events

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when my Dad went to Jerez, Zac in 1936 he said when they went to town everyone gathered at the plaza. There would be music, the girls would walk in one direction and the boys would walk in the opposite direction and the Mothers, grandmothers and madrinas would sit on the benches to make sure no hanky panky went on. Dad said if you saw a girl you liked you would try to pass her a note. One girl passed my Dad a piece of candy and his grandmother saw it. She jumped up and took it from Dad. She told him that girl had gotten the candy from a witch and it had a spell on it that would make my Dad come back to Jerez and marry that girl. His grandma would not have it. Dad was 16. Couple who were courting also walked arm in arm but were watched to make sure everything was proper..

social events

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Longsjourney:

That was pretty much what we did still in the 80's, except for the notes and spells though :), I guess the customs are always attached to the towns growth, mine (hometown) didn't have any development for decades.

Does anyone have connection with "Angon" surname of Zacatecas/Jalisco area?

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I am asking if anyone has connection to the "Angon" surname in the Zacatecas/Jalisco area?

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Angon in Zacatecas

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I do have Angon in my files on Rootsweb.com. The earliest I have Capitan Joseph Angon Espanol abt 1660 who had a natural child with a Mulata named Theresa de la Torre.
I do have other Angon, my file is called Mexico and you can go to the index to see the Angon who lived in Tepetongo and Jerez Zac
.
marriage 15 Oct 1715 in Jerez, Zac
Juan Carrillo Mestiso from district of Jerez
widower of Melchora de los Reies
with Lucia de la Trinidad Angon from district of Jerez
natural child of Joseph Angon Espanol deceased and Theresa de la Torre Mulata libre
source: 440059 film
page 54 Family search online program
.

Clara Ruiz de Esparza from Aguascalientes

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I am having trouble locating marriage or birth records for Clara Ruiz de Esparza from Aguascalientes. She married Juan Antonio Chagolla.

Descendants of Jose Maria Gonzalez and Maria de Jesus Navarro

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I am looking for descendants of Descendants of Jose Maria Gonzalez and Maria de Jesus Navarro. They were married on 30/Oct/1815 in Tepatitlan Jalisco

I have as their children :

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Parents of Jose Maria Gonzalez

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Sorry, but I left some information out of the last post.

Jose Maria Gonzalez Ximenez is the son of Antonio Gonzalez and Maria Guadalupe Ximenez

And Jose Maria Gonzalezs wife is Maria de Agapita de Jesus Navarro Gutierrez daughter juan Antonio Navarro and Margarita Gutierrez

She is only shown as Maria de Jesus Navarro in their marriage record.

Interesting Reading on Colonial Zacatecas

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