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Hello,

I recently came across a book that lists the Haciendas of Mexico and their owners circa 1883.

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Haciendas of Mexico

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Awesome! Thank you for sharing this!
Kristine

Haciendas of Mexico

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Great book! Thanks for posting the link Angelina.

Miguel Gallegos

Translation help Castañeda Villegas Marriage Dispensation

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18419-4103-31?cc=1874591&wc=…

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Groom: Xristobal (Cristobal) Manuel de Castañeda, mulato libre, originario y vecino de los ranchos del Monte de esta feligrasía, hijo legítimo de Fernando de Castañeda, mulato libre, y de Antonia de Cobarrubias, mestiza.

Bride: Nicolasa Romero, mestiza, originaria y vecina de la feligresía de Colotlan en el Puesto de Xoanacatic (Juanacatic), hija legítima de Mathias Romero y de Francisca Godina, difuntos, así mismo mestizos.

Juana de Villegas and Felisiana de Villegas were sisters.
From Juana de Villegas was born Maria de Albarado, and from her Antonia de Cobarrubias, mother of the groom.
From Felisiana de Villegas was born Maria de Villegas, and from her Mathias Romero, father of the bride.

Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

Thank you!

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Laura Gonzalez

No Grandparents Included

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http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/

For the most part, the baptism records from the early 1700's do not include the name of Grandparents. Does anyone know what's the best way to continue finding the family lineage?

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No Grandparents Included

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There are always marriage and death records. Also wills and other type of civil records. According to my knowledge only the Mexico City baptisms include grandparents around 1770. You can also try dispensas for relatives that married.

Good luck in your search.
Daniel Mendez de Torres y Camino

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No Grandparents Included

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Try using the following website put together by a Nuestros Ranchos member:

Scroll to the bottom of the page and choose one of the years listed, ex.
2013, under the blog archive.

Then just filter the page by location or last name.

When you find a couple that may look like it's part of your lineage click
on the source film link. Then just enter the page number in front of the
couple (page 1380 in the example below).

Source film: 168087

1380 antonio bacilio avalos & guadalupe gomez / san juan (same as 1364)

I'm not sure if you speak Spanish or not, but these are dispensas or
pardons from the church that allow for the couple to get married by the
church. These documents can be 30 pages long or longer and contain very
valuable information. I've extended my tree by 4 generations in some cases
using dispensas.

Happy hunting,

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:32 PM, wrote:

> For the most part, the baptism records from the early 1700's do

http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/

No Grandparents Included

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Try using the following website:

Scroll to the bottom of the page and choose one of the years listed, ex.
2013, under the blog archive.

Then just filter the page by location or last name.

When you find something that may look like it's part of your lineage click
on the source film link. Then just enter the page number in front

Source film: 168087

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:32 PM, wrote:

> For the most part, the baptism records from the early 1700's do not
> include the name of Grandparents. Does anyone know what's the best way to
> continue finding the family lineage?
>
>

No Grandparents Included

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Try using the following website put together by a Nuestros Ranchos member:

http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/

Scroll to the bottom of the page and choose one of the years listed, ex.
2013, under the blog archive.

Then just filter the page by location or last name.

When you find a couple that may look like it's part of your lineage click
on the source film link. Then just enter the page number in front of the
couple (page 1380 in the example below).

Source film: 168087

1380 antonio bacilio avalos & guadalupe gomez / san juan (same as 1364)

I'm not sure if you speak Spanish or not, but this are dispensas or pardons
from the church that allow for the couple to get married by the church.
These documents can be 30 pages long or longer and contain very valuable
information. I've extended my tree by 4 generations in some cases using
dispensas.

Happy hunting.

Juan Aguayo

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Juan Aguayo
wrote:

> Try using the following website:
>
> http://www

Research Digest, Vol 97, Issue 19

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Angelina, what a great find!

Newspapers or archives in the State of Jalisco, Archivos o periodicos del estado de Jalisco.

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Does anyone know if there is a repository for old newspapers in Mexico. I know here in the US you can go to your local libraries to find microfilmed copies of old newspaper articles.

Hello Again!!

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Not sure if I'm in the right area, but Hello again, all my old NR friends!
I've been away for too long (and I've seen that the membership has grown!)

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Hello Again!!

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Hello Peggy,

You can download your Ancestry.com raw file by going through the following steps - http://dna.ancestry.com/atFAQ#raw-3 then you can upload it to www.gedmatch.com to compare your file with people that have used other companies such as FTDNA and 23andme for their testing.

You can also transfer your Ancestry.com to FamilyTreeDNA at https://www.familytreedna.com/landing/atdna-landing.aspx in order to see if you can find matches with people in that database and to join projects. At FTDNA you can also get an mtDNA test.

Armando

Research Digest, Vol 97, Issue 15

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Angelina, Mr. Cuellar,

Thank you for the information regarding my relatives. I was not aware of familysearch.org but now I doubt anyone will ever be able to get me off of it.

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New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

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Hi Paige,

I'm still in high school, so it's just Chris. But, let me know if you need any help with your Pedroza's. I have dozens and dozens starting in the 19th century in Aguascalientes and Encarnacion de Diaz, going back a couple hundred years, so, If you get stuck, I might be able to help you.

Chris

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To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 7:58 PM
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Angelina, Mr. Cuellar,

Thank you for the information regarding my relatives. I was not aware of familysearch.org but now I doubt anyone will ever be able to get me off of it. I didn't think I'd ever be able to locate my relatives from Sonora ever and I've now gone back three generations. Next I'm going to trace my Pedroza line.

Paige

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New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH

Welcome to the group Paige. I recognized the name Zenon Villalobos because I came across it once
before when I was looking for my Villalobos ancestors, so, I did a quick search
and although I don’

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New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

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Christoper,
I noticed you only listed Zenon's birth date as Jun 1820, if you look clearly the document will say "nació oi" which means today, the same day he was baptized. Sometimes, you have to look really closely because "oi" is just written incorrectly for "hoy."
Daniel

New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

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Thanks Daniel. Good eye, I completely missed that.

Chris

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New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

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Chris, a daughter of Pedro Pablo de Villalobos and María Antonia Martín de
Sotomayor y Romo de Vivar married Juan Ramos de Oviedo for which they were
given a dispensa de afinidad de dos parentescos and it has good
genealogical information on your ancestors.

Primer parentesco

[Tronco Isidro de Villalobos]
Isidro Villalobos......1......Ignacio Villalobos
Pedro Villalobos.......2......Ma Manuela Villalobos
Ma Josefa Villalobos...3

Segundo parentesco
[Tronco Alvaro Marín de Peñaloza cc Isabel de Mayorga]
Isabel de Mayorga...................1...Beatriz de Mayorga
[cc Gabriel López.......................Andrés Martín de Sotomayor]
Gabriel López.......................2...Joseph Martínez
[cc Nicolasa Petronila Valenzuela........cc Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar]
Feliciana López.....................3...Ma Antonia Martínez
[cc Ignacio Villalobos...................cc Pedro Pablo Villalobos]
Ma Manuela Villalobos...............4...Ma Josefa Villalobos

New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

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Armando and Christopher,
This Ramos de Oviedo line my line. D. Juan Ramos de Oviedo son of D. Juan Ramos de León and Da. Angela de Leon were from Sorvilán, in the province of Granda, Andalucía, Spain. I descend from his first wife Manuela Ignacia Nepomucena de Villalobos baptized on 14 Nov 1748 in Tabasco (Villa del Refugio). This family would have settled originally in Jalpa, but later when Juan remarried he moved to Aguascalientes. I have several records, including his dispensas that lists him active as a commercialist around Pinos, Aguascalientes, Jalpa, Calvillo, and Tabasco.
Daniel

New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

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Armando and Daniel,

Thanks for the information, I almost missed it because I haven't been receiving all the emails. Luckily, I saw it on the thread while I was changing my email preferences. It's extremely valuable information, so, I've copied and pasted from the thread on here in case anyone else missed it like myself.

I had a question regarding Andres Martin de Sotomayor, son of Andres Martin de Sotomayor and Beatriz de Mayorga. When I was trying to locate the parents of Antonia Martinez de Sotomayor, I came across the marriage for Andres Martin de Sotomayor that married Juana Cayetana de Villalobos, daughter of Isidro de Villalobos and Angela Diaz de los Ynojos. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-64936-14?cc=1874591&wc…

My question is, whether he was married twice, both to Juana Cayetana de Villalobos and Francisca Javiera Romo or is he a sibling of the Martin de Sotomayor that married Francisca Javiera Romo?

Chris

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New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

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Chris, I have to apologize. I incorrectly wrote that Andrés Martín de
Sotomayor married Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar. I meant to write Joseph
Martín de Sotomayor married Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar. The tree I
provided correctly has Joseph Martínez (Martín de Sotomayor) as the husband
of Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar. Also the dispensa shows it is Joseph
Martín de Sotomayor that married Francisca Javiera Romo de Vivar.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-86555-8?cc=1874591&wc=…

Armando

New member introduction (Paige Herrera)

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Sorry Armando, that was my fault. I read the text before looking at the dispensa. It's a great find.

Chris

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Armando

registro de matrimonio bernardo Lopez Peñuela y Josefa Busto

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Hello,
I am looking for this
Bernardo Lopez Penuelas

Mexico Marriages, 15

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registro de matrimonio bernardo Lopez Peñuela y Josefa Busto

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Estimada Patty,

Nunca lo encontre pero gracias a Dios el extractor mencionó los padres en la acta. No desciendo de los López Peñuelas, antepasados de los marqueses de San Juan de Rayas. Si necesitas datos adicionales déjame saberlo. Si desciendo de las familias Bustos y Xérez y los Muñoz de Xérez. Quisiera copia del matrimonio de Bernardo en mi archivo familiar. No he tenido suerte, quizas una persona lo tendra.

Tu primo,
Daniel

registro de matrimonio bernardo Lopez Peñuela y Josefa Busto

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20203-11064-77?cc=1860831…

el matrimonio de bernanrdo lopez pañuelas y josepha busto y xeres

NEED VOLUNTEERS: Read CAREFULLY/Necesito Voluntarios: Lleye Con Cuidado!

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READ THIS CAREFULLY. I DO NOT want anyone replying DIRECTLY to the list, I
want you all to reply DIRECTLY to me at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org.

PLEASE keep this OFF the list.

Alvarez Family/ Zacatecas and Jalisco

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I am researching the Alvarez family from the Zacatecas and Jalisco areas. I have been able to trace my lineage of this family back to an Jose Ma.

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Alvarez Family

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Carol,

Antonio Alvarez and Rita Serrano are one of my 4x great-grandparents. Do you have an email where I can contact you?

Best Regards

Alvarez Family

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Carol Lester

my e-mail is hlester@live.com.....hope to hear from you soon. Would love to find more genealogy going back further then the 18th century. Thanks so much!!

Carol Campos Lester

Alvarez Family

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Carol

Is this couple Jose Maria Alvarez and Maria Francisca Campos? If so, they were married 25 Aug 1836 in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, ZAC (image #558 in marriages for 1821-40). This names their parents, and notes there was a dispensation for second degree consanguinity. They might be first cousins!

I have seen cases where the first names of the women vary a bit: Ana Francisca could be the same as Maria Francisca; she could have been known as Maria, Ana, or Francisca in various records. Since the birth records name the grandparents, this would tend to prove that she used various names

If this is true, which I suspect it might be, then there is a fair amount of information in the Tlaltgenango de Sanchez Roman and Momax, Zacatecas records.

Jose and his bride were actually first cousins (they are both grandchildren of Antonio Campos and Eufracia Castaneda.

Briefly, the records I found are:

Marriage record for Jose Maria Alvarez (s/o Juan de Dios Alvarez and Maria Rafaela Campos)

Alvarez Family

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Thank you so much for this info! I have been stuck for years with this couple. I have never been able to find either of their parents and you have solved this for me. I am so very grateful. Will I be able to find this same info of the grandparents on familysearch? I live in Ohio and all our films must be ordered from one of the branches of the LDS Church. Senon Paulino would be my fathers' 4th great grandfather who married a Maria Campos. Senon or Paulino, as some of his records call him,also had a son, named Rafael Alvarez, married to Viviana Alva Valensuela. I have never been able to find his documents for his birth or christening. This couple had a son, Melecio or Melecio Alvarez who would have been my grandfather and my fathers father. My father, Amador Alvarez,was the son of Melecio Alvarez and Sara Campos Mota. I have not been able to find birth or christening record or death records for Melecio or Rafael. Would you be able to search for these names for me? I
f not it

First and second cousin brick walls

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Hello again George
This idea of first cousins and second cousins not getting dispensations has been shown to be a little bit of a problem. some brick walls that people have are because the groom and bride were related in this degree and only their silence on this matter allowed them to get married. Some times after they were married and had kids they suddenly discovered they were related. That happened in the Cervantes line. cousins marrying without a dispensation. They tried to hide the fact but it came out in the open in three situations, first at the wedding one of the fathers admitted that they were cousins but did not say primo hermano, just primos, Second, In a family tree where they did not list their children the grandfathers were listed as brothers, third a when false family tree that was created to show that Miguel Cervantes was closely related to them through the Cervantes line, it showed the grandfathers as brothers but falsely included Miguel's grandfather as a

New Member Introduction

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Hello everyone! My name is Sylvia Castaneda & I've been doing my family's geneology research for about 20 years on and off.

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Castañeda

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I agree, Laura. I too was so excited to see a new introduction with the Castañeda name, but so sad to see it was not the line I am looking for :( But best of luck to you both.
Sandra Blankinship

Castaneda

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Hi and welcome!

I have Castanedas in my family as well, but a different line. It's such a bummer to read there's a new Castaneda and then find it's not the same one. :-(

Laura Gonzalez

New Member Introduction

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Ruben Rojas

Hi Sylvia,

Welcome to the group, I also have Antonio de Castaneda, but on my maternal side. He would be my 8th Great Grandfather. I saw your link and we share the Castaneda last name up until Rosalia Castaneda (born 1745 in Tlaltenango)my 5th Great Grandmother.
Again, welcome to the group and bye for now.

Introduction

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Greetings,
My name is Thomas Huizar and I have been trying to research my grandfather's lineage for several years now. He has passed since 1969 so it's difficult to obtain much information. Most of my information has come from my uncles and some from Ancestry.com.

My grandfather's name is Aniceto Huizar Miramontes and he is from Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. Some records indicate Cartagenas, Jalisco, Mexico as well. I know that those two areas are next to each other. My grandfather married Isaac Molina in 1930 (Pasadena, Ca. USA). His father's name was Rumualdo Huizar Dias. Rumualdo's father's name was Feliciano Huizar and he was married to Silvana Dias.

Since I've joined this group, I learned that my great-great-grandfather/mother Felicano Huizar and Silvana Dias had several children (Rumualdo Huizar b.-1862, Victoriana
Huizar b.-1863, Paula Huizar b.-1864, Jose Merced Huizar b.-1870, Abundio Huizar b.-1876, Maria Serferina Huizar b.-1878, and Cecilia Huizar.

Looking forward with

Gonzalez in Teul

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Hi Sylvia,
Welcome to Nuestros Ranchos. Hopefully you will be able to make more progress. You'll find this is a very open and helpful community, where sharing information is built into the DNA.

I am interested to find out where your search of your Maternal Gonzalez line leads. I have a direct link to Teul in my paternal Gonzalez line (Simon Gonzalez b~1830), and I suspect other links to Tlaltenango via a distant (possible) great-grandmother Efigenia Gonzalez Llamas b~1701.

Simon Gonzalez Casillas married Valeriana Gonzalez Castro in 1865. Valeriana was born in 28 Apr 1834 to Juan Isidro Gonzalez Miramontes and Bonificia Castro Valera. The farthest I can track Valeriana's Gonzalez line is to Juan Gonzalez (b~1650) married to Cecilia Sandoval:
http://www.arturogonzalez.com/OurFamilies/persons/person2799.html

I am not aware of Simon being related to Valeriana. He was born in La Villita near Jalpa to Jose Maria Gonzalez and Juliana Casillas. He seems to be the only Gonzalez from my

Llamas Robles

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Hello! Finally someone with some names I recognize!

I have Nicolas de Llamas and Magdalena De Robles in my family tree! Line looks like this:
son: Raphael de Llamas
married: Lorenza Muñoz

daughter: Luisa de Llamas
she married: Joachin Gonzales

son: Bernardo Gonzales
he marrried: Rosalia Exqueda

son: Salvador Gonzales
he married: Gertrudis Mallorga

daughter: Maria Monica del Refugio Gonzales
she married Julio de Jesus Castañeda

son: Juan Castañeda
he married: Jesus Segobia

son: Gregorio Castañeda
b. 1859 Zac., Zac.
(he's my second great-grandfather)

Not that this means anything to anyone. ;-p

Laura Gonzalez

Llamas Robles

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is this the same family but with a different wife:
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Christening: 11 MAY 1859 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Gregorio born in la Laguna 1 day old
parents: Juan Castaneda and Jesus Segovia
pat grn: Julio Castaneda and Severa Gonzales
mat grn: Margarito Segovia and Refugio Martinez
godparents: Jose W. Gonzales and Clara Soto
Source : 0245035 film
Batch No.: C600783 1859 - 1861
page 140 Family search online program
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From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:56 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Llamas Robles

Hello! Finally someone with some names I recognize!

I have Nicolas de Llamas and Magdalena De Robles in my family tree! Line looks like this:
son: Raphael de Llamas
married: Lorenza Muñoz

daughter: Luisa de Llamas
she married: Joachin Gonzales

son: Bernardo Gonzales
he marrried: Rosalia Exqueda

son: Salvador Gonzales
he married:

Llamas Robles

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is this your Gregorio?
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Christening: 11 MAY 1859 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Gregorio born in la Laguna 1 day old
parents: Juan Castaneda and Jesus Segovia
pat grn: Julio Castaneda and Severa Gonzales
mat grn: Margarito Segovia and Refugio Martinez
godparents: Jose W. Gonzales and Clara Soto
Source : 0245035 film
Batch No.: C600783 1859 - 1861
page 140 Family search online program.
.

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From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:56 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Llamas Robles

Hello! Finally someone with some names I recognize!

I have Nicolas de Llamas and Magdalena De Robles in my family tree! Line looks like this:
son: Raphael de Llamas
married: Lorenza Muñoz

daughter: Luisa de Llamas
she married: Joachin Gonzales

son: Bernardo Gonzales
he marrried: Rosalia Exqueda

son: Salvador Gonzales
he married: Gertrudis Mallorga

daughter

Llamas Robles

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sorry, this must be your Gregorio.
baptism 31 May 1886 in Jerez, Zac
Gregorio born in el Tesorero 9 May 1886 8am
parents: Gregorio Castaneda and Ysabel Galvan
pat grn: Juan Castaneda and Jesus Segobia
mat grn: Toribio Galvan and Margarita Marquez
godparents: Hipolito Sosa and Ysidra Castaneda
source: 0439861 film
page 376 Family search online pilot program
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From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 10:56 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Llamas Robles

Hello! Finally someone with some names I recognize!

I have Nicolas de Llamas and Magdalena De Robles in my family tree! Line looks like this:
son: Raphael de Llamas
married: Lorenza Muñoz

daughter: Luisa de Llamas
she married: Joachin Gonzales

son: Bernardo Gonzales
he marrried: Rosalia Exqueda

son: Salvador Gonzales
he married: Gertrudis Mallorga

daughter: Maria Monica del Refugio Gonzales
she married Julio de Jesus Castañeda

Gregorio Castañeda

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They're both mine. :-) This one is the son (jr) of the Gregorio I mentioned. I'm not sure about Severa Gonzales, however. I was never able to find papers for Juan, but I found marriage and other kids for Julio de Jesus and Maria Monica del Refugio.

Laura Gonzalez

Nicolas Llamas & Magdalena Robles

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Laura,
The information means something to me!
According to my information Nicolas Llamas and Magdalena Robles were born around 1650 since their daughter Juana Llamas Robles was born on 26 Jan 1671. Juana married Joseph Gonzalez, and their daughter Efigenia Gonzalez Llamas was born 1701, according to Efigenia's marriage investigation (Tlaltenango Informacion Matrimonial 1701-1724, Film 443843, Image 466).

Do you know when Rafael Llamas Robles was born?

The children that I have for "my" Nicolas Llamas and Magdalena are:
Dorotea Llamas Robles
Mariana Luisa Gertrudis Llamas Robles
Nicolas Llamas Robles
Rosa Maria Llamas Robles
Mateo Llamas Robles
Juana Llamas Robles
Isabel Llamas Robles

Nicolas' death is recorded on 20 Jun 1718 in Tlatlenango Burials 1718, Film 443978, Image 165.

I'm also connected to Nicolas & Magdalena thru Gaspar Sandoval Guzman, who married Mariana Luisa Gertrudis Llamas Robles.

Do you know who the parents of Joaquin Gonzales are?

Arturo

New member introduction

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Hello,

My name is Paige and I'm a new member. I'm interested in learning about my grandmother and great grandmother's family from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. I'm not sure where to begin. I've realized over the last several days reading posts that everyone here is far more advanced than I am. I know very little other than what I learned from my great grandmother. I know her parents are Pablo Villalobos and Pilar Ortiz that were married in El Paso, Texas on November 23rd, 1921. Pablo Villalobos was born in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on March 22nd, 1891 and Pablo Villalobos parents are Onofre Villalobos and Juana Torres from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. I apologize I don't have more information. My great grandmother told me that Juana Torres's mother was named Filomena, I don't know her last name. She also told me that she thinks Onofre's father was named Zenon Villalobos. If anyone has any tips that might assist me or if you may be related to any of these families please le

Paige Herrera request for help

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Paige,

First of all, welcome to the group.
I did a basic search on familysearch.org and found the marriage information for Onofre Villalobos & Juana Torres .... here is the link https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JHLX-F7H

Groom: Onofre Villalobos
Bride: Juana Torres
marriage dated 11 feb 1885
groom’s parents: Zenon Villalobos & Librada Medina
bride’s parents: Narciso Torres & Filomena Hernandez

I don’t know if you have any experience using FamilySearch.org ... it is really a very good source of information. I will try to find the original document on-line for the record on the link I’m sending you.

-Angelina-

link to Descendants of Antonio de Castaneda

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Sylvia Castaneda
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/xicana

Attent: Steven Hernandez-Escoto y Tovar

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Hola Primo ,how are you ? Well I hope. I wanted to know which Escoto y Tovar Line do you descend from. I descend from Ygnacio Escoto y Tovar( and Beatriz Morales).

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Escoto y Tovar

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Hi there Ronnie, long time no talk. Went through a slump but I am OK, now.

Indeed I descend from Antonio de Escoto y Tovar and his wife Inés Ortiz de Rodas. They had 11 children between 1637 and 1661. I descend from Diego de Escoto y Tovar (bap. 29 JUL 1653, in Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno) married to Juana Alvarez de Ullóa y Mendoza [daughter of Antonio Alvarez de Ullóa and of Antonia de Mendoza], on 11 NOV 1687, also in the Parroquia de Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno.

According to Mariano González Leal, Beatriz Morales and María Morales were sisters, both daughters of Joseph de Cervantes Villaseñor and Isabel Sánchez Carranza; paternal grandaughters of Leonel de Cervantes and Leonor de Orozco. These conclusions are without a doubt the results of Jaime Holcombe's extensive research into his lineages. These families were almost his exclusive domain, well before some of us were even born.

It was precisely Escoto y Tovar that brought Jaime Holcombe

Escoto y Tovar

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Hola Primo,thanks for the info. I don't know why I felt that Diego Sanchez-Carranza and Ana Munoz were related ,as if I had a sixth sense, Any way Diego Sanchez-Carranza is my second mulato ancestor ,I keep on digging and surprise surprise see whats next. I am having problems with connecting Familysearch.org/search/collection/list and have been in contact with the people of the web site but no luck,and still trying. I also at a stand still with a Miguel de la Cruz and Ana Aguilera and a Tomas Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Nicolasa Marquez(daughter of Diego Marquez y Maria de Cruz Martin del Campo).Just to let you know tried e-mailing you and my message didnt come out ,strange.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Escoto y Tovar
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> Hi there Ronnie, long time no talk. Went through a slump but I am OK, now.
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> Indeed I descend from Antonio de Escoto y Tovar and his wife Inés

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Joseph--

I am not on digest, and I did not receive the email.

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help Needed from 10 People: Very Easy

I need 10 people to send me an email to joseph@nuestrosranchos.org and just
says if you DID or DID NOT receive an email with this subject line:

"Hospitals near Cuquio"

Remember send that message DIRECTLY to me at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org

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Recently I asked if anyone had any info on the following line, but there were no takers...I am resending my earlier post, in the hopes that some someone could shed me some light on this lineage:

Research Digest, Vol 95, Issue 16

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Did you come across anyone named Juan Anselmo Pinedo? He's my 5th GGF and lived in Jerez, Zacatecas at the time of your ancestors. He had a son named Bartolo or Bartolome Pinedo, who is y 4th GGF.

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Chris Pinedo, I have them in my line but through the marriage of this person into my Fernandez line. I don't have a wife for Bartolome Pinedo. I do have my files on Rootsweb.com. My file is called Mexico and my Dad Chet (Aniceto) Castanon is my root person.
Linda Castanon-Long
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baptism 31 AUG 1774 Jerez De Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico

Juan Josef Anastasio Espanol born in Taltiqualolla 15 days old

parents: Juan Pinedo and Margarita de Acuna

godparents: Juan Jph Fernandes and Gertrudis Pacheco

Source : 0439847 Jerez baptism

Batch No.: J600804 1771 - 1780

page 156 Family search online program

church marriage 8 May 1803 in Jerez, Zac

Juan Jose Pinedo Espanol from Tetillas

parents: Juan Jose Pinedo and Margarita de Acuna

with Maria Magdalena Sanches Espanola from Jerez

parents: Antonio Sanches and Maria Josefa Fernandes

witness: Vicente Losano, Miguel de Herrera and many others

soure: 0440060 film

page 677 Family search online program

page 677 Family search

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Everything OK at Campezina's.

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Grandmother Guadalupe Davila/Avila, 1/Oct 1902, Villa Del Refugio,ZAC.(married to Angel Villegas) was one of 10 daughters born to Nicolasa Flores, 20 Dec 1885, Plateado and Librado Avila, 7 Nov 1881,

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Evie,
You may have this, but I did quick search and found that Francisca Dávila was married to Alejandro Trejo on the 27 May 1953 in Villa del Refugio. I would be interested to follow your Flores line which may likely be the Flores Alatorre, a family I and many others descend on this forum. How far have you traced Nicolasa Flores' line? I have some lines around this region. Just some advice I call this the sticky region because many families travel a lot around here. I have a family and notice many others that are born in Calvillo will baptize their children in Tabasco (Villa del Refugio) then marry in Jalpa or Tlatenango and then die in Villanueva or vice-versa. Imagine all the archives you would have to search through. If you're lucky the families will stay in the same town for some time. If you need any further guidance please let me know, I am always available to guide new researchers, not knowing how much experience you have.
I hope this helps somehow,
Daniel Méndez de Torres y

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Canuta Padilla Gallo (adrianmapa50@yahoo.com.mx)

Saludos a Ezequiel y Adrian,

Con mi primo, Ezequiel ya he comunicado varias veces.

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Hola Señores aqui reviviendo el tema de los descendeientes de Jose Ana Gutierrez, yo vengo del lado de su hijo Pedro Gutierrez (1853), el es mi Tatarabuelo, les comento que tengo ya tiempo queriendo encontrar a quien tuviera informacion sobre un libro (manuscrito) de vivencias que dejo por ahi alguno de los hijos de Jose Ana creo que especificamente fue Benigno aunque no estoy seguro, se que seria un Tesoro para los que seguimos esta linea ojala alguien supiera algo y ver si lo podriamos digitalizar en algun formato de Buena resolucion... Saludos!

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Saludos Paco, mejor dicho Primo,
Hemos comunicado antes sobre nuestros antecedentes del Aguila. Benigno Gutiérrez fue mi bisabuelo por su segundo matrimonio con María Ysabel Gutiérrez. Yo también he oído que mi bisabuelo habia apuntado los nombres, fechas de sacramentos, conyugues de sus antecedentes y descendientes. Mi abuelo Fernando Gutiérrez platicaba que había visto este cuaderno y hizo unas notas principalmente de su línea directa hacia Benigno y sus descendientes. Solo tenía los nombres de José Ana y Canuta y nada más atrás. Claro nosotros hemos dado con más información. Mi tía, hermana mayor de mi Mama me dijo que ella vio este documento y que solo era una libretita. Si das con este documento, me encantaría que pudieras hacer una copia electrónica. Algo con la letra de nuestro bisabuelo sería maravilloso.
Hasta pronto,
Irma Gómez Gutiérrez de Lucero

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From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.pacoromog@hotmail.com wrote:Hola Señores aqui

Libreta de Vivencias de los descendientes de Jose Ana

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Saludos Irma! Ojala que encontremos ese documento, estoy seguro que por aqui lei que alguien lo tenia y que en esa libreta se describian vivencias, eventos y familiares de Jose Ana Gutierrez, ojala que el que lo tenga se entere que todos sus primos lo estamos buscando y valorariamos mucho el poder leerlo..Un saludos a todos!

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Adrián Márquez Padilla

Gracias Irma y Ezequiel por contestar, mi interes es porque mi rama familiar viene precisamente de la Estancia Vieja y el Tule, aunque yo ya naci en el Distrito Federal y nunca tuve contacto con la familia de mis padres, tengo mucha familia con el apellido Gutierrez de ese rancho ya que mis abuelos maternos llevaban el apellido Gutierrez, Eustacio Padilla Gutierrez, Emiliana Campos Gutierrez, mi abuelo Eustacio Padilla ya viudo de Emiliana contrajo matrimonio con Librada Gutierrez, ya viuda de Norberto Gutierrez, de esta union nacio Vicente Padilla Gutierrez, medio hermano de mi madre, aun no termino de sacar las lineas familiares de los Gutierrez, pero se que tambien existe parentesco con la linea Gutierrez.

Otra relación familiar, es que la madre de Canuta Padilla Gallo, Francisca Gallo Ramirez, era hermana de Rosa Maria Gallo Ramirez, quien fuera la primera esposa de mi tatarabuelo Juan Nepomuceno Padilla Muñoz.

Espero seguir en contacto con ustedes

Resumen de José Ana Gutiérrez Gutiérrez y María Canuta Padilla

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Adrián Márquez Padilla

Hola parientes a mas de un año de el ultimo posteo, me permito hacer un breve resumen de los datos obtenidos.

Jose Ana Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, Nació el 25 de julio de 1815 en el rancho El Tule, San Juan de los Lagos Jalisco, fue bautisado el 28 de Julio de 1815 en San Juan de los Lagos Jalisco, fallecio en el rancho El Aguila el 29 de noviembre de 1900 y fue sepultado en el panteón de Teocatitlán el día 30 de noviembre de 1900; fue hijo de Ignacio Gutiérrez y Salome Gutiérrez, contrajo matrimonio el primero de octubre de 1839 en Nuestra Señora de la Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, con María Canuta Padilla Gallo, originaria de la Estancia Vieja, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, hija Atanacio Padilla Muñoz y María Francisca Gallo.

BAUTIZO
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I am looking to find the names of towns which had hospitals (near Cuquio) that were around in the 1930's.

Many thanks!

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http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=losaltosdeja…

Armando,

I just went through the link you cited. Its helpful . I better get going getting test for my parents as they are both only children.

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Thank you Armando for keeping NR members informed about DNA testing and options.

I wanted to add that if any of you tested with 23andMe's V3 chip or the NEW Autosomal test from Ancestry.com, you can import the autosomal part of your results to Family Tree DNA for $69 US and get more matches. Please remember that FTDNA has one of the largest DNA databases and you have the likelihood to yield more results when you upload your third-party results.

Read more about it here. https://www.familytreedna.com/landing/atdna-landing.aspx

Saludos,
Claudia
www.guadalajaradispensas.com

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Hello Claudia,

Your message did not get sent out by the NR email system. In the interest
of getting your message out in an email I am sending this out.

I would like to add that once they get their autosomal test transferred to
FamilyTreeDNA from Ancestry.com or 23andme they can join the Los Altos de
Jalisco DNA project at the following page -

The goal is 1,000 participants. They are at 130 members and just a week or
two ago they were only at 30 members. The more members the better.

Also, a reminder to other NR members - Ancestry.com does not have a
chromosome browser and neither of them have DNA projects.

Saludos,
Armando

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Enviado por Claudia_Reynoso el Mié, 2013-07-10 17:26.

Thank you Armando for keeping NR members informed about DNA testing and
options.

I wanted to add that if any of you tested with 23andMe's V3 chip or the NEW
Autosomal

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Hi guys,

I have two family finder results that have been uploaded to the the Los
Altos de
Jalisco DNA project . I'm excited to see how many of us can join this
project. I'm not sure how many of you remember, but Rick Rodriguez, a
Nuestros Ranchos member, is one of the administrators for this project. He
was also the main organizer for the 1st Conferencia de Genealogia e
Historia de Los Altos in Valle de Guadalupe back in 2008.

I'm currently having a few of my other lines being tested right now and I
might purchase the family finder product for my family members being tested
since its on sale for $99!

Saludos,
Juan Aguayo

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Armando wrote:

> Hello Claudia,
>
> Your message did not get sent out by the NR email system. In the interest
> of getting your message out in an email I am sending this out.
>
> I would like to add that once they get their autosomal test transferred to
> FamilyTreeDNA from Ancestry.com or 23andme they can join the Los Altos de

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Hello Juan,

I recommend that you do get the Family Finder test you're contemplating on
getting for your family members. Siblings only carry 50% of each others
DNA. We also only have half of the chromosomes from one parent and half
from the other. What's worse is that the 50% you get from a parent isn't
exactly 25% of one grandparent and 25% of the other grandparent. This is
due to recombination. The more relatives that test, both close and distant
the more autosomal information you will have about your ancestors and you
will be able to find more relatives if that also interests you.

Saludos,
Armando

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Juan Aguayo wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I have two family finder results that have been uploaded to the the Los
> Altos de
> Jalisco DNA project . I'm excited to see how many of us can join this
> project. I'm not sure how many of you remember, but Rick Rodriguez, a
> Nuestros Ranchos member, is one of the administrators for this project. He
> was also the

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Hello Armando,

Would you please outline your thought process/method that you use when viewing a FamilyFinder Autosomal test results pages.

From the FF test results pages, do you first scan the pages looking for known matches/relatives?

It is the unknown matches that appear on the test results pages that I refer my questions to...

I am not sure how to proceed, is it the shared Cm comparisons, and from the shared Cms what is your next step in deciding which of the matches you will contact first?

Is your decision based on the number of shared Cms and/or the longest block?

I have downloaded the FamilyTree DNA tutorial for the FamilyFinder Autosomal, but continue to have many questions...you appear to be well versed on this subject and I would truly appreciate your input in explaining how to use the autosomal test results in establishing/linking with unknown relatives...

I have viewed the website that you suggested, but I'm thinking that the comparisons/charts that are featured are

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Hi Patricia,

Thank you for asking. I'd also be interested in reading Armando's informed responses to your questions.
Alice

From: Pat Corbera
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

Hello Armando,

Would you please outline your thought process/method that you use when viewing a FamilyFinder Autosomal test results pages.

From the FF test results pages, do you first scan the pages looking for known matches/relatives?

It is the unknown matches that appear on the test results pages that I refer my questions to...

I am not sure how to proceed, is it the shared Cm comparisons, and from the shared Cms what is your next step in deciding which of the matches you will contact first?

Is your decision based on the number of shared Cms and/or the longest block?

I have downloaded the FamilyTree DNA tutorial for the FamilyFinder Autosomal, but continue to have

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Hi Patricia,

Thank you for asking. I'd also be interested in reading Armando's informed responses to your questions.
Alice

From: Pat Corbera
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

Hello Armando,

Would you please outline your thought process/method that you use when viewing a FamilyFinder Autosomal test results pages.

From the FF test results pages, do you first scan the pages looking for known matches/relatives?

It is the unknown matches that appear on the test results pages that I refer my questions to...

I am not sure how to proceed, is it the shared Cm comparisons, and from the shared Cms what is your next step in deciding which of the matches you will contact first?

Is your decision based on the number of shared Cms and/or the longest block?

I have downloaded the FamilyTree DNA tutorial for the FamilyFinder Autosomal, but continue to have

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Hello Pat,

Yes, the info on the website that I posted is based on known family members
that have taken the autosomal test. Many of us here have well documented
trees and many of us share common ancestors.I think we are a very lucky
group to have been able to document our trees as well as we have been able
to. Once we show matches on our documented lines and identify the
chromosome and region for those lines then we can help others with the
undocumented lines. Sometimes the documentation is there but they don't
know it. We can also help them with that. It's the spirit of helping each
other that started this website and it is the same spirit that needs to
continue for the Family Finder data to be useful.

I have found out that the best way to identify possible relatives is by
going to the Chromosome Browser then clicking on 5 matches then clicking on
Download to Excel (CSV Format) and saving the file but add the number 01 at
the end of the name. Then deselect the 5 matches and click on

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Armando,

Thank you so much for this wonderful explanation. I'm sure that when I follow all the steps that you outlined that I will be rewarded with locating others that share the same interest and desire to learn about their ancestors as well as locating/ linking with unknown cousins...

I will follow your outline and if I find that I'm having problems in understanding and setting up the data forms, I certainly will be back in touch.

I decided to order the FF Autosomal test for my grandson, Nicholas, who has been 37 marker YDNA tested. Nicholas is the biological son of my daughter, so if my thinking is correct, his mtDNA is the same as mine, and that he shares some of my chromosomes.

At this stage I'm not too sure how recombination will reflect in Nicholas' FF test results for my husband, Tino, who is the biological father of Nicholas' mother...

I'm hoping that both Tino and I will appear as matches on Nicholas' test results, and that he will appear on ours... Tino and I have

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Hello Pat,

Nicholas would definitely show up as a match and with 1,000-2,300 cM in
common with you and Tino were he to take the test. The only reason for him
to test is for him to find relatives on his father's side. Any autosomal
DNA that his mother has comes from you and Tino. When I mentioned getting
other relatives to test I inferred siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles,
grandparents, great-aunts, and great-uncles. The only reason descendants
should be tested is for the spouses side of the family when the spouse is
unable to test. If you have ordered the test and no longer think it is
necessary call and cancel it. Use your money towards more testing of
yourself or sponsor a test for someone else.

Regards,
Armando

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

> Armando,
>
> Thank you so much for this wonderful explanation. I'm sure that when I
> follow all the steps that you outlined that I will be rewarded with
> locating others that share the same interest and desire to

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Hello Armando,

I did order the FF test for Nicholas yesterday...I'm interested in seeing the cMs and the block length...an added plus would be matches from his father's side...

I have researched my son-in-law's (Nicholas' father)paternal ancestry back to the 1600s from Scotland, so it will be very interesting to see his matches...

Does NR have a general fund, in which NR members may make donations of a given $ amount that can be used by individuals for one reason or another can not afford the expense of proceeding with various DNA testing?

Once again, thank you for sharing...
Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armando"
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:21:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

Hello Pat,

Nicholas would definitely show up as a match and with 1,000-2,300 cM in
common with you and Tino were he to take the test. The only reason for him
to test is for him to

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Very well. I wanted to be sure that was your goal and that it wasn't a
misunderstanding.

I have not heard of a general fund for NR and I don't think there is a way
to start one. Joseph Puentes might correct me if I am wrong. The Los Altos
de Jalisco DNA project does have a general fund. You. or any other NR
member, could also post that you are willing to pay for someone's test if
they unable to afford it and have them email you so that you could pay for
it and have the test sent to them. This would ensure the donation isn't
misused. Likewise, you could also let Ricardo Rodriguez, admin of Los Altos
de Jalisco DNA project, know that you want any funds that you give the
project be used for specific purposes, if so desired.

Regards,
Armando

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Pat Corbera wrote:

>
>
> Hello Armando,
>
> I did order the FF test for Nicholas yesterday...I'm interested in seeing
> the cMs and the block length...an added plus would be matches from his
> father's side...
>
> I

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15188.

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Armando,

Thank you for the added information...

Today I updated Tino's current FF test result matches...it can be accessed by clicking on this link...

Tomorrow I'll start the download to Excel of the matches, using your instructions of creating a file of 5 matches, with file name ending with ie. 1 and moving to the next 5, changing the file ending to 2 etc. until all matches have been downloaded to Excel, then copy and paste to the file ending in 1...I'm pretty sure I can do this...if not I will re-read your instructions...

I accessed Family Tree DNA tools, and tried to download the zip file for FF, but it kept timing out after 15 minutes... it then dropped off...I will try it again later this evening...

Once again, many thanks for all your help, and also to Saul Navarro and Juan Aguayo for so freely sharing their research material with me...

Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
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To: announce

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Hello Armando,

Update Subject: FF matches...

The task of downloading all of the matches that appeared on Tino's FF test results proved to be overwhelming for me...

I decided instead to use the FF Chromosome Browser filter "Distant Relatives."

The filter produced 19 matches, a number that was more workable for me.

Using the Chromosome Browser I proceeded to view each of the 19 names, five at a time, selecting and deselecting, using the "view this data in a table," format looking for cMs that were 5.5 or more...I copied and pasted the individual's name and relationship as well as the line/s information that was over 5.5 cMs to a main listing sheet with headings of Chromosome - Start Location - End Location -cM - matching SNPs ...

I continued to follow the above procedure until all 19 "distant relative" matches were viewed and copied..

I will contact the individuals with the highest cM match and longest block first and continue down the listing until all have been contacted

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Hello Pat,

The list of Speculative matches also has people with more than 5.5 cMs. You
should add them also.

You should also have your matches separated by the chromosome they match
you on. Do this by making separate tabs in the spreadsheet for each
chromosome 1-22. It makes triangulation much easier.

Once you have the matches separated by chromosome then you need to look at
the range. If two people are in a completely different range then they
aren't related to the tester through the same line. If they are in the same
range the likelihood that they are related through the same line is very
great. If you are able to identify three people, counting the tester, that
match in the same range and two people have a well documented tree then the
third person is highly likely to be related through that line.

So then when you are able to correspond with matches you can concentrate on
that chromosome and region as to what you have in common and try and
identify through triangulation which

Test

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I have received all test messages.

No General Fund: RE: Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA resu

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> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Armando
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:25 PM
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA
results to
> FTDNA
>
> Very well. I wanted to be sure that was your goal and that it wasn't a
misunderstanding.
>
> I have not heard of a general fund for NR and I don't think there is a way
to start one.
> Joseph Puentes might correct me if I am wrong.

You are correct. There is no general fund. But if enough people wanted one
it can be arranged.

There are other occasional needs for money but we've gone without needing to
ask for $ for over 10 years now I'd kind of like to keep it that way. Then
again if Arturo tells me that there is a need to update the website and
funds are needed, well that could change the whole picture. For now no
solicitations for money will part of the NR group

Yes if someone wants to pay for a specific persons DNA testing then I would
prefer that it be

http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join-request.aspx?group=losaltosdeja…

Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

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would you suggest those of us who have ancestors from other parts of Jalisco, (Ciudad Guzman and Tamazula) join the los Altos group?

________________________________
From: Armando
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

Hello Claudia,

Your message did not get sent out by the NR email system. In the interest
of getting your message out in an email I am sending this out.

I would like to add that once they get their autosomal test transferred to
FamilyTreeDNA from Ancestry.com or 23andme they can join the Los Altos de
Jalisco DNA project at the following page -

The goal is 1,000 participants. They are at 130 members and just a week or
two ago they were only at 30 members. The more members the better.

Also, a reminder to other NR members - Ancestry.com does

Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

Comment

I should have added that I know these families lines (Gutierrez and Mendez) lived in Michoacán before going to Jalisco mid 1700's.
Linda in B.C.

________________________________
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: "announce@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

would you suggest those of us who have ancestors from other parts of Jalisco, (Ciudad Guzman and Tamazula) join the los Altos group?

Hello Claudia,

Your message did not get sent out by the NR email system. In the interest
of getting your message out in an email I am sending this out.

I would like to add that once they get their autosomal test transferred to
FamilyTreeDNA from Ancestry.com or 23andme they

Upload your 23andMe & Ancestry.com DNA results to FTDNA

Comment

Hello Linda,

A few weeks ago the administrator of the Los Altos de Jalisco DNA group had
expressed to me that they were accepting people with ancestry from Jalisco,
Aguascalientes, and Zacatecas. Recently the wording on the description of
the project has changed. However, since a majority of the people in Los
Altos have distant relatives in Jalisco, Aguascalientes, and Zacatecas
those people should be accepted. Their DNA is our DNA and their goal is
1,000 participants. That won't happen if they are too restrictive and they
won't be able to triangulate on autosomal DNA without enough participants.
As far as them having been in Michoacán prior to going to Jalisco. It
shouldn't matter because a lot of our ancestors were elsewhere, including
Michoacán, before going to Jalisco. The important point is that they did go
to Jalisco. I suggest that you request to join the group. It will be their
decision if they want to accept you or not.

Also, their main goals are the Y-DNA and mtDNA results