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Hola Luz,
Tal vez esto te ayude a orientarte un poco sobre la vida de los esclavos de ascendencia negra en la region:

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Los esclavos negros en los Altos de Jalisco

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Alfonso Reynoso Rábago

Claudia:

Aunque quizá ya conozcas esta serie de artículos sobre los negros jaliscienses, de todos modos te envío las referencias. Todos los artículos están en el número 49 de la Revista Estudios Jaliscienses de El Colegio de Jalisco.

Estudios Jaliscienses, número 49
Los afrojaliscienses
Zapopan: El Colegio de Jalisco. 2002, Agosto. 63 p.
(Revista trimestral)
· Andrés Fábregas Puig. Introducción.
· Celina Guadalupe Becerra. Población africana en una sociedad ranchera.
· Mario Alberto Nájera. Los afrojaliscienses.
· Álvaro Ochoa Serrano. Un acercamiento a afrobarquenses en los lejanos XVII y XVIII.
· Romina Martínez. Algunas notas sobre la fuga de esclavos en Nueva Galicia.

Por mi parte, he hecho algunas exploraciones sobre la ancestría y el mestizaje en los Altos de Jalisco, aunque todavía no he publicado nada sobre el asunto. De acuerdo con una muestra, he encontrado que el perfil genético de los niños bautizados en las parroquias de Tepatitlán y

Los esclavos negros en los Altos de Jalisco

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There was an excellent series recently on PBS called Black in Latin
America. It is created by and narrated by Dr. Henry Louis Gates. It is
scheduled to repeat in April and May of this year. The second episode is
entitled Peru and Mexico. Very interesting and pertinent to our
discusssion on this topic. Marge:)

2012/3/21

> Alfonso Reynoso Rábago
>
> Claudia:
>
> Aunque quizá ya conozcas esta serie de artículos sobre los negros
> jaliscienses, de todos modos te envío las referencias. Todos los artículos
> están en el número 49 de la Revista Estudios Jaliscienses de El Colegio de
> Jalisco.
>
> Estudios Jaliscienses, número 49
> Los afrojaliscienses
> Zapopan: El Colegio de Jalisco. 2002, Agosto. 63 p.
> (Revista trimestral)
> · Andrés Fábregas Puig. Introducción.
> · Celina Guadalupe Becerra. Población africana en una sociedad ranchera.
> · Mario Alberto Nájera. Los afrojaliscienses.
> · Álvaro Ochoa Serrano. Un acercamiento a afrobarquenses en los lejanos
> XVII y XVIII.
> ·

Los esclavos negros en los Altos de Jalisco

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Ademas de lo que sugiere don Alfonso Reynoso", dos publicaciones acerca de la esclavitud y los negros en la region han sido publicadas por los hermanos Carlos y Mario Gomez Mata:

- "Esclavitud en Lagos y Los Afrolaguenses" de Mario en el 2009 el el que "...al abordar el tema de la poblaciòn africana y sus descendientes en la regiòn alteña, se rompen inercias culturales centenarias impuestas por las èlites como su historia transmitida al resto de la sociedad bajo su mando."

- "Los negros de Santa Maria de los Lagos" de Carlos en este 2011. Una excelente obra cuyo prologo del Dr Sergio Lopez Mena dice:

"...un libro muy importante para el conocimiento de la historia de Lagos de Moreno, particularmente de su conformación racial durante la dominación española, Los negros de Santa María de los Lagos. Presencia, esclavitud y mestizaje. Esta obra, escrita por Carlos Gómez Mata luego de efectuar acuciosas investigaciones en archivos especializados, nos lleva al reencuentro de una realidad

Carlo Lomeli

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Sr Alfonso Rabago Reynoso,

Es my interestsante la informacion que nos das sobre Los esclavos y Los Lomellini. Me gustaria saber mas de Los dos temas. Cuando yo empece mis estudios sobre la familia me soprendi a descubrir que mi padre, unos de los hombres mas blancos de piel que he visto en toda mi vida, descendia de un mulato que vivio en Los primers de1700's. En la acta matrimonial dice que era mulato libre de teocaltiche. Yo esperaba encontrar blancos y Indios en mi arbol familiar pero encontre casi puro blanco con poquito Indio y poquito mulatto. De este mulato en mi familia desciende muchisma jente en Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan Y el Valle de Guadalupe.
Tambien desciendo de Carlo y Luis Lomeli.

Estoy tratando de juntar toda la informacion que puedo sobre estos Lomellini.

Como puedo comprar estos articulos y Libro des de Los Angeles, California?

Gracias,
R.A.Ricci

Jauregui/Lomeli

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Does anyone know why the Lomeli's and Jauregui's had such a close relationship that many of them married each other?

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Jauregui/Lomeli

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There's no clear cut answer to your questions but here are a few scenarios.

All of us see the same situations, different surnames but same circumstances within our family groups. There are several things occurring when families inter-marry.

1. These families, the Jauregui's and the Lomeli's or Lomelini's lived within very close proximity of each other.
2. Both of these families, the Lomeli's and the Jauregui's were for the most part, Espanoles and usually they wanted their children to marry only Espanoles.
3. There were only a couple of handfuls of Spanish families in each community or Rancho.

4. Courting was strictly supervised by the parents, in many cases, the parents decided whom their daughters could court. I don't say date because dating was for the most part, non-existent. The groom to be's parents would visit the bride to be's parents to ask for her hand in marriage, meaning that they had to approve and ensure that the bride or the groom came from an approved family.
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Jauregui and Lomeli

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My first cousins have one of the Jauregui and Lomelin unions in their ancestry. They descend from an Henrique Jauregui and Ma. Antonia Lomeli that I believe came from Mexticacan but left many descendents in Tepatitlan and Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco. I have not had any luck finding their parents.

R.A.Ricci

Jauregui and Lomeli or Lomelini

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Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo Have you looked in the surrounding municipios. Nochistlan, Yahualica, Cuquio, Teocaltiche and a few others?

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

Source for Ornelas For those interested

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So far my new lost cosuin Stevan and I are researching the Ornelas with detail and trying to find documents proving Alvaro from Lagos de Moreno came from Madeira Islands. I got this from rootsweb. but the link to the actual source appears broken. I will upload the will of Alvaro I later in the week I am busy today!

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Alvaro Ornelas

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I have a Alvaro Ornelas as being the son of his first wife Constanca de Mendoza de Vasconcellos and not from his second wife Branca Fernandez de Abreu.

I also have a wife for this Alvaro Ornelas. Do you have any new information on Alvaro Ornelas?

Thanks,

R.A.Ricci

ornelas and villasenor?

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Hi-

It is so helpful to see such a comprehensive trail of where the family came and went along with why they went where they did. I just recently found a connection to the Ornelas as I am directly related on my maternal grandmother's side to the Diaz de Sandi line below who married into the Ornelas Villasenor line.

Juana Díaz de Sandi y Tejeda[1] de los Monteros. Contrajo matrimonio con Francisco Tello de Lomas. abt. 1680

Miguel Díaz Montañez[2] fue hijo de Diego Montañez y de Jacinta Carrillo de Sandi.

Caso con María Tejeda de los Monteros, abt. 1650 hija legítima de Nicolás Tejeda de los Monteros y de Galavíz y de María de Ornelas Villaseñor.

Does the Ornelas Villasenor line tie into any Ornelas line that you have?

Thanks,

ornelas and villasenor?

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Does anyone know if the Villasenor line here ties into the Villasenor or Villasenor y Jazo lines in Zapotlan el Grande/Ciudad Gusman, or Tamazula, Jalisco Mexico? My earliest record for a Villasenor line has them in Angamacutiro De La Union,Michoacan, Pedro Villasenor Orosco and wife Maria Jazo who had a son, Felix Gerardo Villasenor y Jaso living in Tamazula Jalisco by 1725 with his wife Leonor Munguia. I have not been able to find where the Munguia family came from before arriving in the 1600's in Tamazula.

Is anyone working these lines?

Linda in Everett

--- On Fri, 3/27/09, miri12 wrote:

From: miri12
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ornelas and villasenor?
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 8:31 AM

Hi-

It is so helpful to see such a comprehensive trail of where the family came and
went along with why they went where they did. I just recently found a connection
to the Ornelas as I am directly related on my maternal grandmother's side to
the

pilotfamilysearch images

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I've been busily downloading images from pilot.familysearch.org.

Does anyone know how to bypass the adobe flash player and find the
image files directly? If I could do this I could automate the process
and reduce a several-month project to a few days.

On other sites I've been able to right-click and look at properties
and figure out the image filename and address. But I can't figure out
how to do that with this website.
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com

pilotfamilysearch images

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Where and how do you download images? Can everyone go to pilot and download images?
----- Original Message -----
From: Stuart Armstrong
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 6:19 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] pilotfamilysearch images

I've been busily downloading images from pilot.familysearch.org.

Does anyone know how to bypass the adobe flash player and find the
image files directly? If I could do this I could automate the process
and reduce a several-month project to a few days.

pilotfamilysearch images

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Yes Miggi, anyone can have access to the images. Simply go to Pilot, click where it reads Canada, USA, Mexico. A list of places by country will appear. At the bottom you will find Mexico, and the sites available to: Browse unindexed images. Click there, and you will get the names of the parishes. Once you choose a parish, you will have a list of records by type (e.g., baptismos) and a year range. Click, and it will open the image of the book, begining with the book's cover. You can then move to the pages of interest. For marriages, confirmations and baptisms, most images appear for most part in chronological order. However, Informacion Matrimoniales are not in order, and finding the one you want may take hours.

Regarding Stuart's question about bypassing Adobe. I do not have that issue. It must be something related to the preferences of your browser. In my Mac I use Camino, and in my PC, I use Mozilla FireFox. In both, the images load rather rapidly without invoking an external

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start

pilotfamilysearch images

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Jaime and Miggi,

The pilot home page is

> Regarding Stuart's question about bypassing Adobe. I do not have
> that issue. It must be something related to the preferences of your
> browser. In my Mac I use Camino, and in my PC, I use Mozilla
> FireFox. In both, the images load rather rapidly without invoking an external browser.

Oh, they load fast enough. When I first went to the website I got this
message: "Record Search requires Flash Player to run. Click the "Install Flash Player" link below to install the latest version.
Follow the instructions. When you are done come back and try again.
Install Flash Player"

After installing the required version of Adobe Flash Player (which was
very quick) I never got the message again, except that for each
session it takes a few seconds for the add-on to load. Flash Player is
integrated with the browser so that it appears to be just part of the
website. It requires the browser be

ornelas and villasenor?

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Hi Linda I am working the Villasenor Jazo lines, Pedro Villasenor Orozco is my 9th Great Grandfather. Are you related to the Villasenor Jazo family ??

Rafael Meraz

ornelas and villasenor?

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Hi Mr. Meraz. I have Jazo surnames lines in my genealogy, in the State of
Durango. Es posible que exista paentesco?

Gracias. Have a great day!

2011/3/12

> Hi Linda I am working the Villasenor Jazo lines, Pedro Villasenor Orozco is
> my 9th Great Grandfather. Are you related to the Villasenor Jazo family ??
>
> Rafael Meraz

Jazo Lines

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Hi Mr. Valles I don't think were related because my Jazo lines are in Jalisco and Michoacan.

Rafael Meraz

Jazo Lines

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Thank you very much for answering. Maybe later I'll find a mutualrelative
Jazo. Have a great day.
D.I. Valles

2011/3/13

> Hi Mr. Valles I don't think were related because my Jazo lines are in
> Jalisco and Michoacan.
> Rafael Meraz

ornelas and villasenor?

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Hello, not directly, one of my Rolon siblings married into the Villansenor Jazo
family. They are hard to trace, some went Villansenor and some went Jazzo!

I did post everything I have on Rootsweb.com but have not worked on this line in
a couple of years.
good luck in your search
Linda Castanon-Long

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From: "merazrafael@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 6:33:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ornelas and villasenor?

Hi Linda I am working the Villasenor Jazo lines, Pedro Villasenor Orozco is my
9th Great Grandfather. Are you related to the Villasenor Jazo family ??

Rafael Meraz

Jazzo,Jazo, Jasso etc.

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Hi guys,

Maybe you have already tried this but the name youre looking into is spelled Jasso . Like many other names the priest that wrote the name did it the way it sounded to him at the time . Try looking for the name Jasso in your searches.

Welester

> Hello, not directly, one of my Rolon siblings married into the Villansenor Jazo
> family. They are hard to trace, some went Villansenor and some went Jazzo!
>
> I did post everything I have on Rootsweb.com but have not worked on this line in
> a couple of years.
> good luck in your search
> Linda Castanon-Long
>
>
>
>
> Hi Linda I am working the Villasenor Jazo lines, Pedro Villasenor Orozco is my
> 9th Great Grandfather. Are you related to the Villasenor Jazo family ??
>
> Rafael Meraz

Villasenor Jazo

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Linda thanks for helping me !! You have a lot of information on my ancestors. I am waiting for Family Search to add Tamazula Jalisco images online before I start searching again. Do you have any idea when Family Search plans to add more images of Jalisco records online ??

Rafael Meraz

Villasenor Jazo

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Rafael, glad I could be of help. Daniel may have more information on when
Tamazula and Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco will be online on the pilot program. Daniel
and I share the Mendez line. Like you I will be very happy to see it to
complete my records. Until then I continue to work on my Zacatecas lines.
Linda

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From: "merazrafael@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 6:48:11 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villasenor Jazo

Linda thanks for helping me !! You have a lot of information on my ancestors. I
am waiting for Family Search to add Tamazula Jalisco images online before I
start searching again. Do you have any idea when Family Search plans to add more
images of Jalisco records online ??

Rafael Meraz

Villasenor Jazo

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Good to know hopefully I we could share a line with Daniel and be related. Do
you know anybody else from Nuestros Ranchos
that is has family in Tamazula Jalisco or surrouding towns ??

Rafael Meraz

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From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 8:33:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villasenor Jazo

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From: "merazrafael@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, March 13, 2011 6:48:11 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villasenor Jazo

Linda thanks for helping me !! You have a lot of information on my ancestors. I
am waiting for Family Search to

Villasenor Jazo

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Rafael,

I too have a ties to Tamazula, Ciudad Guzman and other surrounding towns.
I've hit a roadblock with the Ciudad Guzman records - they are just not very
informative in the time period I'm currently looking at. I'm hoping that the
"informaciones matrimoniales" will be more helpful; so, like you, I'm
anxious for those films to be released on the website.

-Angelina-

Villasenor Jazo

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Angelina

I am researching the towns of Tamazula and Tecalitlan JAL. The surnames that I
am researching in those areas are Jimenez, Olivera, Garibay, Jazo, Ramos, Mora,
Barron and Adame.

Rafael Meraz

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From: Angelina Markle
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 7:01:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villasenor Jazo

Rafael,

I too have a ties to Tamazula, Ciudad Guzman and other surrounding towns. I've
hit a roadblock with the Ciudad Guzman records - they are just not very
informative in the time period I'm currently looking at. I'm hoping that the
"informaciones matrimoniales" will be more helpful; so, like you, I'm anxious
for those films to be released on the website.

-Angelina-

Tamazula, Jalisco research

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Rafael,

Unfortunately, we don't have any of those surnames in common. However, I
will watch for them.

-Angelina-

-----Original Message-----
From: Rafael Meraz
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 1:48 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villasenor Jazo

Angelina

I am researching the towns of Tamazula and Tecalitlan JAL. The surnames that
I
am researching in those areas are Jimenez, Olivera, Garibay, Jazo, Ramos,
Mora,
Barron and Adame.

Rafael Meraz

ascendencia de maria micaela de urbina villasellor y jasso

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Jaime Obregon Mimbela. que tal , me pongo a sus ordenes desde aguascalientes ,desconosco la ascendecia de maria micaela de urbina villaseñor y jasso , esposa de ildelfonso obregon aguilar y ventosillo y busto,..encontre el matrimonio de catalina villaseñor delgadillo ( hija de pedro villaseñor ) con pedro de urbina y zaldivar , no se si tenga relacion , mucho agradeceria si me ilustran en este tema . feliz dia ..

Links for finding names of Old Ranchos. Buenos enlaces para encontrar nombres de Ranchos perdidos.

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http://www.telepaisa.com/pueblos.php

www.nuestro-mexico.com

mexico.pueblosamerica.com

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Addition link for nombres de Ranchos Perdidos

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Este tambien es un buen enlace

Hazme el favor de revisar mi traducción. Please review my Translation Calvillo, Ags. Nov. 19 1794

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11613-122306-55?cc=1502404…
Calvillo, Aguascalientes Señor San José Matrimonios 1772-1813,image 211 of 461.

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Hazme el favor de revisar mi

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Hi,
I can't read the name of the Pueso, but it indeed seems to start with Sal...
The full name of the first wife was Maria de San Juan de Leon, it is unclear if San Juan is part of her given name or ofher surname.
The name of Damiana's mother is also hard to read. Could be Matiana or Mariana, it is hard to read. A variant of the name Anastacia is Ana Estacia, or just Estacia, and maybe someone could also write as Nastacia or Nestacia.

Ragards,
Victoriano Navarro

Hazme el favor de revisar mi

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It says "puesto de Salsipuedes jurisdicción de Lagos". I also have ancestors from that ranch. It is located north of Lagos de Moreno.

Armando

Hazme el favor de revisar mi

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By the way, Sal-si-puedes means get-out-if-you-can. I've heard here in Torreón there was a store nicknamed El Salsipuedes, because the owner would not let you leave unless you bought something.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

additional informacion

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Search has found a couple named Dn. Manuel Ruiz de Tagle y Anastacia Macia in a marrage of their Child in Asiento, Ags. Could the name be Anasacia Macias ? Manuel Ruis daughter has been named in other baptisms as Damiana Ruis de Tagle.

La Búsqueda ha encontrado una pareja llamada Dn. Manuel Ruiz de Tagle y Anastacia Macia en un matrimonio de su Niño en Asiento, Ags. ¿Podría ser el nombre Anasacia Macias y no Matiana Macias?
Damiana Ruis, la hija de Manuel Ruis se llamo en bautismos Damiana Ruis de Tagle.

Jalpa, Zac. Bautismos en los Matrimonios, Baptisms found in Marriages.

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I wonder if this will just be corrected if it ever gets indexed or should i bring it to someones attention. Nuestro Senor de Jalpa, Jalpa Zac. Registros de la Parroquia.

Identefica una abreviatura apelldo, Identify a surname abbreviation

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The entry reads Los datos es lo Siguiente

Fernando Martinez y Ysavel Romo de Vibar. What is Vibar. ??? an abreviated surname ?

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Identefica una abreviatura

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David,

Romo de Vivar is a compound surname. The patriarch of this family was Diego Romo de Vivar born 12 March 1589 in Rielves, Toledo, Castilla-La Mancha. He married María Rangel Peguero in somewhere in Mexico and they settled down in Aguascalientes and their descendants spread to different parts of Jalisco including Lagos de Moreno. Many of us, including myself multiple times, descend from Diego Romo de Vivar.

El Cid Campeador, named Rodrigo Díaz, was supposedly born in Vivar, Burgos, España and it is why he is called Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_D%C3%ADaz_de_Vivar#Nacimiento

We have yet to learn of where the Romo de Vivar surname originates but it is very likely Diego Romo de Vivar had an ancestor that was from Vivar, Burgos. I doubt that there is any relation to El Cid Campeador.

I have not been able to find the paternal grandparents of Isabel Romo de Vivar but there is a dispensa for her parents - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413

Identefica una abreviatura

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Vivar is not an abbreviated surname.
In Mexico there's a TV character named el Señor Barriga, played by Edgar Vivar.
And el Cid's name was Rodrigo Diaz de Vibar.
Best,
Victoriano Navarro

Necesito identificar esta corrupción de un apellido HARES, Help identify this corruption of a surname HARES

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11118-60922-70?cc=1502404&…

Calvillo ,Señor San José , Bautismos 1798-1806 , image 325 of 496.

Maria Manuela hares Hija legitima de Julian de la hares y Ma. de Asencion de Figueroa

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Additional question

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What is the jurisdiccion of the place he is from? Lago?

¿Cuál es la Jurisdicción del puesto de donde viene Ramon Martinez? Lago?

Could be Irish

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Hara... O'Hara ?

Could be Irish

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David,

Como todavía no había reglas de ortografía escribían el mismo apellido de muchas formas distintas.

El apellido es DE LARA en el caso de Jose Jullian Macias, Hijo legitimo de Eufracio Macias y Ma. Victoria de la Hara. El sacerdote apuntó DE LA HARA en vez de DE LARA.

Eufracio Macias y Victoria de Lara tuvieron otro hijo llamado Jose Cecilio en Teul. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15697-17224-4?cc=1804458&wc=…

En esa partida el apellido esta bien escrito.

El apellido es DE LARES en el caso de Maria Manuela Hares hija legitima de Julian de la Hares y Ma. de Asencion de Figueroa. Julian Lares Y María Ascención de Figueroa tuvieron otros hijos en 1808 y 1815.

Armando

De LARA

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Aii lo tonto me siento! Debería haber reconocido la similitud. Gracias por su ayuda.

Follow up additional entry.

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Calvillo , Señor San José , Bautismos 1798-1806 , image 327 of 496.

Jose Jullian Macias, Hijo legitimo de Eufracio Macias y Ma. Victoria de la hara.

Life in Mexico by Madame Calderón de la Barca

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This book was wonderful. And free at Project Gutenberg. I read the whole
thing and got a much better idea of what life was like in Mexico during
colonial times.

Beverly

LIFE in Colonial MEXICO , Collection of letters from a woman living in Nueva Espana

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http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/9364

Hola !
I am trying to locate the name of a book I used to read online. It was a collection of letters in ingles, from a woman in Collonial Nueva Espana Mejico.

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LIFE in Colonial MEXICO ,

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Wow! Very interesting. I like those books of people that traveled inside Mexico during those time periods. Also some of them made paintings as they traveled.

LIFE in Colonial MEXICO , Collection of letters from a woman liv

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Is this the book?

Life in Mexico by Madame Calderón de la Barca

Rosalinda

Life in Mexico- Mosquito Egg Tortillas

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Thank you that is definatly it... I love this book !!! The Insights into Life in this time period are Fantastic... David Serna Here is a sample ..Mexico 1839

Count C---a has promised to send me to-morrow a box of mosquitoes' eggs, of
which tortillas are made, which are considered a great delicacy.
In Mexico, mosquitoes as small winged _cannibals_, I was
rather shocked at the idea, but they pretend that these which are from the
Laguna, are a superior race of creatures, which do not sting. In fact the
Spanish historians mention that the Indians used to eat bread made of the
eggs which the fly called _agayacatl_ laid on the rushes of the lakes, and
which they (the Spaniards) found very palatable.

Error de redaccion !!

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Es increible que se haya cometido un error por un escribano de la parroquia de San Jose de Gracia Rincon de Romos en la fe de bautismo de Jose Filomeno Araiza (De Araiza) hijo legitimo de Valentin De

Censo de Revillagigedo 1790

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Hello everybody... I have been trynig to upload the files of Censo de Revillagigedo but after to waste severals minutes... I fail.... I desist, I waste too much time trying.

UNESCO honors don Guillermo Tovar de Teresa

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Announcements and Events

Guillermo Tovar de Teresa: Un gran defensor del patrimonio cultural

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Honor a quien honor merece

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Carlos Peredo

La pérdida de Don Guillermo ha sido un doloroso golpe para muchos que lo estimamos: por supuesto quienes lo trataron en persona, pero también algunos como yo que solo lo tratamos por vía espistolar y que no obstante eso, no pudimos sino apreciar y valorar sus enormes conocimientos, y agradecer su generosidad al compartir sus hallazgos.

El gusto que me da al enterarme de honores y reconocimientos a Don Guillermo hace más llevadero el pesar por su partida.

Un recuerdo al erudito.....un saludo al amigo.

descendientes Gonzalez de Hermosillo en Cosalá Sinaloa

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Quisiera saber si alguién tiene ancestros Gonzalez de Hermosillo en Sinaloa o si saben algún antecedente de Juan Bautista Gonzalez de Hermosillo (1790 aprox), su hijo Julio Gonzalez de Hermosillo Be

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descendientes Gonzalez de

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Javier,

Creo que seamos parientes por el Lopez Portillo, mi tatarabuela era Lorenza Lopez Portillo y Castro nacida en 1883. Interesantemente, encontre un Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo casandose con una Ignacia Maria de Celis en 6 de abril de 1812 en el Sagrario Metropolitano de Saltillo. Se que no es el estado que te interesa mas siempre es bueno buscar en las regiones alreadores. Recopilar cualquier dato que pueda ayudar. Te sugiero revisar esta acta y ver que encuentras. Como es en el norte, es posible que sea pariente de tu linea. Casi todos nosostros somos descendientes de los Hermosillo, yo lo soy unas 14 veces! Qual era el nombre de la mujer de Juan Bautista Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Es importantisimo que sigues la migracion de esta familia desde los Altos de Jalisco hasta Sinaloa. He vista tantas familias radicar en otras regiones en toda la republica. Amo el estudio genealogico y suma importancia en perservacion de la historia.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Mil gracias ya somos dos

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Mi estimado Daniel, mucho agradezco el tiempo que te has tomado para responder éste mensaje, en el ambito del estudio genealógico estoy a la par de interesado que tú ya tengo unos añitos en ésto. luego compartimos info de la rama de los LP por ahora ando ayudando a una pariente y ver de dónde llegaron y de que rama proceden sus GH, quedamos encontacto, no me despido, saludos

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Does anyone have suggestions for finding census records of Indios living on the Hacienda de Garabato and Hacienda de Parades in Aguascalientes in the 1700s? Do such records exist?

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Jose,

According to Lyman Platt's book, census records for Latin America, he shows
that there are several rolls of film for Aguascalientes' census records.
This appears to imply that the Census records may be mixed in with the
parish Baptismal records, however this doesn't define the parishes in
Aguascalientes where the records may be found, only the years.

- Year 1649 - Reference is Archivo del Parral
- Year 1770 - Bpt Manuscript 1770
- Year 1792 - AGN PAD 5:1520345:2
- Year 1760 - ?
- Year 1770 - BPT Manuscript 45
- Year 1780 - BPT Manuscript 45
- Year 1803 - TRI 43

Alicia,

San Jose, Ca

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:22 PM, wrote:

> Does anyone have suggestions for finding census records of Indios living
> on the Hacienda de Garabato and Hacienda de Parades in Aguascalientes in
> the 1700s? Do such records exist?
>
> Jose Aguayo Ortega
> joseaguayo601@gmail.com -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>
> To post, send

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Jose,

After looking further in the book, I found a statement where it says
"Paredes Hacienda" and it can be found under "Partido de San Jose de
Gracia" you might want to look under San Jose de Gracia, but I didn't find
any mention of Hacienda de Garabato.

Alicia

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> Jose,
>
> According to Lyman Platt's book, census records for Latin America, he
> shows that there are several rolls of film for Aguascalientes' census
> records. This appears to imply that the Census records may be mixed in with
> the parish Baptismal records, however this doesn't define the parishes in
> Aguascalientes where the records may be found, only the years.
>
> - Year 1649 - Reference is Archivo del Parral
> - Year 1770 - Bpt Manuscript 1770
> - Year 1792 - AGN PAD 5:1520345:2
> - Year 1760 - ?
> - Year 1770 - BPT Manuscript 45
> - Year 1780 - BPT Manuscript 45
> - Year 1803 - TRI 43
>
> Alicia,
>
> San Jose, Ca
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 16

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Thanks for the information, Alicia. I will try to get a copy of Lyman Platt's book.
Jose Aguayo Ortega

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Jose,

It's probably not a book you need to get because it doesn't actually have
the census records. What it does, is to give the film numbers for the
census records of the Mexico Municipios and most of that information you
can find on-line now a days. If there's some film number for any specific
municipio that you'd like for me to look up, I'd be happy to do that and
provide you with the number.

Alicia

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:16 PM, wrote:

> Thanks for the information, Alicia. I will try to get a copy of Lyman
> Platt's book.
> Jose Aguayo Ortega

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Jose

At the Family Search catalog search page, start typing "Mexico, Aguascalientes" in the box, when it comes up in the list, click on it in the list, then click on search.

When you click on search you will get a number of topics ... select "Mexico, Aguascalientes - Census" this will take you to "Padrones parroquiales : antigua Diócesis de Michoacán, 1734-1875." From the link for Michoacan Catholic Church Records, go to Morelia, then Arquidiocesis de Morelia, and finally scroll down to the Padrones.

If you scroll to the bottom of the page before following the link for Michoacan Catholic Church Records you will get a list of the padrones that have been filmed, and it gives the area each covers.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Thank you for the information!
Jose Aguayo Ortega

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156 Missing Images

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At the end of FHL microfilm 635747, after 30 feet or so of blank film, at the extreme end of the roll, are 156 images that have never been digitized.

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156 Missing Images

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I don't have any idea about what you can legally do with the images on this roll of microfilm, but thanks for the heads-up! This is one of the rolls that I recently ordered for indefinite loan to an LDS Family History Center in Denver. I haven't yet had a chance to look at the film but will do so soon, now armed with your alert about the images following a blank spot on the film. Muchas gracias.

156 Missing Images

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Thank you for sharing this discovery. I'm sure it will help us who do serious Aguascalientes research in the future. As a independent scholar, historian and researcher on the side, you should publish it. Present it as your own contribution to the field of study and also a genealogical society, maybe Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society. I have so much to publish, I have to get around it.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

A suggestion

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Stuart

One option would be to create an extracted list of those images with at least date, child, parents. If someone had more time, they could add the location of the birth.

The list could be posted here are NR. I'm some of our colleagues here would appreciate it.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Censo de Rivillagigedo 1790

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Tengo en formato de CD el censo de Revillagigedo del 1790 en varios archivos PDF...Como le hago para compartirlos con quienes realmente se interesen. son aproximadamente 700 mb.

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Censo de Rivillagigedo 1790

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Can you upload the file to the NR site? Look in the files tab for instructions.

FW: The Real Zorro: Identity in the 19th Century Southwest

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From: Angel R.

FW: Somos Primos April 2014

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Hospitales cerca de Cuquio

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Hola,

Alguien sabe de algunas hospitales cerca de Cuquio?

Gracias!

FamilySearch.org - Shuffling archives???

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Hola primos,

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Victor M Gomez

QUE MALO QUE DE UN DIA A OTRO SE PIERDAN LOS ENLACES, LO BUENO QUE YO ANOTABA NUMERO DE IMAGEN, YA FUERA MATRIMONIO, DEFUNCION, BAUTIZO O DISPENSA, ASI COMO NUMERO DE ROLLO Y EN ALGUNOS CAZOS NUMERO DE FOJA Y ACTA, ESTO DESDE QUE YA NO SE PUDO GUARDAR LAS IMAGENES.

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Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Victor, si se pueden guardar las imagenes, solo tiene que bajar el programa gratuito de Google que se llama Picasa. Ya bajandolo, haga click en save> enseguida habra el download>hay un toolbar abajo de la imagen que dice edit in Picasa>haga click alli. Se abre otra pagina y seleccione Crop, o recortar. Para selecionar un solo archivo manualmente reduzca la pantalla al tamaño que guste. Si esta borrado el imagen, oprima auto contraste y se aclara la imagen. Si esta chueco, lo puede corregir con straighten, y enseguida guardar su documento como de costumbre.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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I think what you are seeing is a manifestation of what the real citation is for the reference.

As an example, the marriage of Jose Maria Rivera and Maria Trinidad Puga on Jan. 30, 1863, at San Antonio de Padua, Cuale: Family Search gives the citation as

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-39968-25?cc=1874591&wc… : accessed 29 Mar 2014), Cuale > San Antonio Padua > Matrimonios 1826-1912 > image 164 of 437.

This citation is actually composed of two parts:

(1) Where the record is located on the digitized film ... "México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," Cuale > San Antonio Padua > Matrimonios 1826-1912 > image 164 of 437.
(2) Where the image was located on the day it was accessed ... FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18568-39968-25?cc=1874591&wc… : accessed 29 Mar 2014)

What is lacking

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Thank you, George, and agreed: we can't expect the images to remain at the same location forever.

As a note, I just discovered, if you're using an older link, when the "Oops…" error page appears, if you remove everything after the "&" in the URL, you will be redirected to the page you're requesting.

These are all relevant tips for the group. Gracias a todos!

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

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What you mentioned about removing everything in the URL after the '&' is what worked for me. At first I freaked out for about a second, then started removing sections of the URL until it worked, like going to a Parent Directory from a filename.

Also, I had started adding the image # of the film to my file spreadsheet of records, so at least I had a second backup plan for much of my work.

The only thing is since the majority of my family tree entries have a URL referencing the actual record in addition to the transcriptions I've done of the records, now I have to go back and update all those again, but at least I know where to make the change in the URL. Annoying, but not fatal.

Crisis averted, yay!

Sandra Velez

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Ruben Rojas

This happened to me also a while back, hours of research lost. I was not able to use old URL's again. So I started saving the actual image to my computer and cropping it, I also use this image as the ancestor picture on my ancestry.com tree for reference and back up.I know how you feel about loosing hours of research.
Good Luck

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Thanks, Juan!!!! Though an inconvenience, at least I know I won't have to search for each individual document again! It shouldn't be too difficult to go through the above list and make those changes, so I will post it in this forum when I'm finished.

And Ruben, I do the same: I also use Ancestry.com for my main tree, and I download and save then upload the entire image to the tree, tagging all individuals mentioned, thus linking the family members that way. Doing this, I also know when an individual is documented. But I do this only for my direct ancestors and their immediate families; to save time & space, I use the links to the original documents for associated individuals and families (I currently have over 8000 individuals in my tree).

Along with my research notes, I used to list the film roll's name/number & image number ("bautismos 1767-1867 ROLL# img#") in the comments section of each individual, with the URL, but I stopped, thinking it wasn't really necessary. But apparently

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Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo I save all of my documents with the film#, Book or Volume#, Image#, Page or Foja# all this information I save in the notes section of my database. I crop each document and archive it in my database, then I save it in the Amazon Cloud.

By creating a folder for each film# referenced, it makes it easy to find when needed. Here's an example of how I title the folder.
115602-Matrimonios, Villa Hidalgo-Vol#6-1860-1893.
Any marriage record that falls within this time period will be archived in this folder with the respective names of the bride and groom, page#, image# date of marriage and name of the Rancho or Ranchos they were from.

Alicia

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Hours? How about years.
A long time ago you could download an image and save it on your own harddisk. The default filename was about a 12-digit image number that uniquely identified that image. Sweet. Only you couldn't plug the filename in anywhere and get to the image. I thought that image number would be permanent, and hoped someday they would use the number for part of a link. But it never happened.

For that reason and because the internet was slow and unreliable, I started a project of downloading as many images as I could. At first it was OK, and the default filename was a handy way to store things. I began using the filename in my citations. Then they made a change and the filename was no longer visible, and everything defaulted to something like image00001. So I had to manually create a new filename with each image. And I had to develope a new system of naming image files. I incorporated the image xxx of xxx in my filenames.

Then they re-did everything and combined and split

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Hello,
I had the same problem. Frustrating indeed! However if you delete everything past the "?" on the URLs, then you'll arrive to the original page you had bookmarked. You may have to update all your bookmarks, but at least you won't have to hunt them down all over again. Not sure why they did that, but it makes you wonder if we should be saving the actual documents and not just the links to the documents?
Juan

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Hi primos!

i found this ordenes for an indigenous person

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18379-40861-17?cc=1874591&wc…

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Interesting!

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Very interesting!

It does say his father was "indio cacique" and so was his mother, so it is very possible that they were part of the Indian ruling class of Tonala.

Sergio Salés

Interesting!

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The most interesting is he is mentioned as theologian and limpio de sangre! What a bizarre, but intriguing find!

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Interesting!

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it's not the first bizarre thing i found but it's the most intriging though since i thought one had to be 7/8+ spanish descent in order to become a theologian.

a few other bizarre finds i've come accross are:1. a 'mulato esclavo' marrying a spanish woman(can't remember where i found it, but i think it happened during the 1700's. I didn't think a male slave could marry a freed spanish female)
2.A drawing of a lion holding a shield(can't remember where i found it exactly, but i think it may have been in the beginning of soem marriage dispensation collection, just not sure which one)
3. a marriage dispensation simply refering to a common ancestor as 'gachupin europeo' https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18414-94456-29?cc=1874591&wc…

4. a map found within a marriage dispensation collection https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-10524-77?cc=1874591&wc…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1

Como se llama el libro de Mario Gomez Mata

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