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Pineda/o yDNA Results - Q-M242

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Hello all --

In case there's anyone with Pineda/Pinedo roots in the Zacatecas area, my father recently received his yDNA results. They're posted on the Mexico DNA site.

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Published by robmartinez – Mon, 2012-10-08 19:42 | Permalink

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Watching National Geographic Human Family Tree DVD is a fascinating study of how humans populated the earth. I am not sure about the recent origins of the haplogroup Q but all Native Americans originated in the Central Asia/Middle east around 50,000 years ago, according to the geneticists on that program. They then migrated east and north, entering North America about 20,000 or 15,000 years ago.

So, yeah, Q does originally come from the Middle East. But so do ALL Native Americans, if you go back far enough.

The question is, from what direction and when do your Q ancestors make their way to Mexico?

All of this is quite fascinating to me, and if some one is showing the Q yDNA to come from the Middle East to Europe or Africa, then to the Americas, that would indeed be fascinating, showing once again how closely related we are to one another.

Published by Armando – Mon, 2012-10-08 03:30 | Permalink

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I suggest getting a deepclade test and also joining the Q project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ydna_Q/default.aspx?section=ycolori…

The National Geographic Geno 2.0 project should find more people within the
Q haplogroup and find more details about the subclades in it. People of the
same subclade are more closely related to you with the common ancestor
having lived 16,000 or 18,000 years ago as opposed to 24,000 years ago for
the haplogroup.

Armando

On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Chris Pineda wrote:

> Hello all --
>
> In case there's anyone with Pineda/Pinedo roots in the Zacatecas area, my
> father recently received his yDNA results. They're posted on the Mexico
> DNA site. According to Gary Felix, our line is Q-M242. However, he seems
> to think that it's not Native American, but rather from Central Asia/Middle
> East. I'm wandering if we need to do the 25 or 37 marker test -- does
> anyone have a view about any of this.
>
> Here's the entry for our results -- it's

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Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango

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Just got this today, can't wait to read it! I'm so excited.

Laura

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Santiago De Pedoza

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Thank you Armando for your reply.
I have several Santiago De Pedroza in my family tree.

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Published by Armando – Thu, 2012-10-04 21:01 | Permalink

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Nobody knows for sure where this Santiago de Pedroza was born. Don Mariano González Leal wrote that he was probably born in Lagos de Moreno but he doesn't cite a reason for this belief. He could have been born anywhere in Mexico or in Spain. If more people in Mexico and in Spain did Y-DNA testing and genealogical research then you would have a chance of determining his paternal lineage. Due to the limited number of people in both countries that do both studies your chances are very limited, albeit not impossible.

Armando

Family Search?

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I'm having a minor difficulty in this website I can not find the Informacion Matrimonial for the year 1760 in Nochistlan Zacatecas.

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Published by gpf13 – Thu, 2012-10-04 15:00 | Permalink

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A couple of things to keep in mind about the online records at Family Search:
(1) Not everything at the FHL library has been digitized for a locality.
(2) The titles may not always reflect all of what is in the record (a good example is the first volume of Aguascalientes baptisms and marriages: they are all in one volume, but the list of titles only indicates one.) This is especially problematic with the early matrimonial investigation records.

It is often useful to check the FHL card catalog to see what the library actually has. In doing this you will find that there is apparently a gap in the matrimonial investigation records in the early 1760s, except for Indians, which apparently exists. It is possible that the records for the Spanish are mixed with those of the Indians, but considering the large time period covered by the Indian records, seems unlikely. But it is always worth checking.

There is always the unfortunate possibility that those records do not exist.

George Fulton

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Talticualolla. (Villa de Jerez)

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Alguien sabe donde se encuentra este rancho o poblado de la villa de Jerez, en este lugar murio en 1717 el Capitan Joseph Sanchez-Castellanos, yo supongo que estaba cerca de Susticacan ya que un sirvi

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Published by juan_francisco… – Wed, 2012-10-03 14:09 | Permalink

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Sanchez-Castellanos

El Cap. Joseph Sanchez Castellanos patriarca de muchos en Jerez y Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, hijo de Juan Sanchez Castellanos y Tomasina de Haro y Saucedo, nacio en 1645 en un Rancho que en ese entonces era feligresia de Tlaltenango y hoy es municipio de Tepechitlan, muere en el Puesto de Taltiacualoya hoy llamado Los Cuervos en el actual municipio de Susticacan. Una parte de su linaje paso a San Andres del Astillero y me atrevo a decir por la cantidad de registros religiosos que Monte Escobedo fue el lugar con mas Sanchez Castellanos de la region, otros de sus descendientes se quedaron en Jerez y Tepetongo y de Monte Escobedo pasaron algunos a Colotlan, Jalisco y lo que fue mi tatarabuelo paso de Monte Escobedo al rancho de la Tetilla hoy en el municipio de Garcia de la Cadena alrededor de 1800.

Saludos.

Free Online Course on Experimental Genome Science

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Thanks to the members of Nuestros Ranchos on the great information that you have personally provided me with regard to Y-DNA, genealogy, etc.

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Help greatly appreciated

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Hello Group,
Help reading this defuncion from 1668 would be appreciated.   It's the second half I don't understand: en la parroquia...two names are mentioned, but I don't understand the context.

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Published by dpdelgadol – Tue, 2012-10-02 12:15 | Permalink

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Alice,

This is what I see:
testó ante Juan de la Garsa Alcalde ordinario sus albaceas el Capitán Gregorio Fernandez su hijo y su mujer la dicha Beatris Gonsalez y lo firmé.......

he made his testament in front of Juan de la Garsa, village magistrate, his executors Captain Gregorio Fernandez, his son, and his wife, the aforementioned Beatris Gonsalez and I
signed .....

Hope this helps.

David in Albany, CA

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> Hello Group,
> Help reading this defuncion from 1668 would be
> appreciated.   It's the second half I don't understand:
> en la parroquia...two names are mentioned, but I don't understand the
> context.  Again, help would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks
> so much,  Alicehttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-159380-55213-61?cc=1
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David,  Thank you very much.  That helps tremendously.   Alice

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From: dpdelgado@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help greatly appreciated
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 7:03 PM

Alice,

This is what I see:
testó ante Juan de la Garsa Alcalde ordinario sus albaceas el Capitán Gregorio Fernandez su hijo y su mujer la dicha Beatris Gonsalez y lo firmé.......

he made his testament in front of Juan de la Garsa, village magistrate, his executors Captain Gregorio Fernandez, his son, and his wife, the aforementioned Beatris Gonsalez and I
signed .....

Hope this helps.

David in Albany, CA

On Tue 02/10/12  9:30 AM , Alice Blake alicebb@att.net sent:
> Hello Group,
> Help reading this defuncion from 1668 would be
> appreciated.   It's the second half I don't understand:
> en la parroquia...two names are mentioned, but I don't understand the
> context.  Again, help would be greatly appreciated.  

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San Jose State Library

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Hey everyone so im currently at the San Jose State Library what interesting books can I find here about early settlers in Mexico or something interesting that falls in that category.

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Published by juanitahenniger – Tue, 2012-10-02 13:47 | Permalink

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Hi,

I'm not from your area, but as a librarian my suggestion to you is to ask the Reference Librarian for help. She/he will be able to direct you in the right area.

Juanita

Help locating an ancestor

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So iv'e been having a hard time trying to find this ancestor of mines Victoriana Ponce.My grandmaother told me that she was from Clabellinas Aientos Aguascalientes and later she moved to La Estancia d

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Published by juanitahenniger – Mon, 2012-10-01 13:28 | Permalink

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Do you have dates for birth or marriage?

If I were searching for this relative I would look at the following links.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…

And because it is close:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamil…

There is also a book titled "Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales" by José Luis Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías (2001). It has a ton of surnames for Nochistlan. Might try your local library to see if it is available.

Juanita

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Juanita,

Thank you for this very helpful input of yours.After 2 intense hours of looking through these documents I did not find anything on the ancestor i'm searching for.Is there another way I can look at these documents rather than just flipping page after page.

Abram

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Abram,

It is a tedious job and I only wish there was an easier way to go through the pages, but unfortunately I don't know of any. On the other hand if you know the year that you believe your ancestor might have lived in the area you can guess estimate a place within the file for the year. For instance, let's say there 600 images for the years 1881-1889 entering 150 at the image number box would advance you a 150 images.

Good luck,

Juanita

San Jose Sate Library

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Hey everyone so im currently at the San Jose State Library what interesting books can I find here about early settlers in Mexico or something interesting that falls in that category.

what does PRIMO-HERMANO actually mean??

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I'm a lil' confused:

Does primo-hermano mean that both sets of parents are siblins to each other or can just ONE parent from one cousin be a sibling of ONE parent of the other cousin?

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Tue, 2012-10-02 08:30 | Permalink

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According to the RAE Dictionary:
Primo hermano, na.
1. m. y f. Respecto de una persona, hijo o hija de tíos carnales.

Primos hermanos are first cousins. So, two persons that share at least one grandparent are primos hermanos. Typically they share two grandparents, and in some cases they may share three or all four, like the example you described.

Victoriano Navarro

Any info on Ambrosio De Armas or Quiteria De Velasco??

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Does anyone have any info on both of these individuals i'm trying to find their parents they are both from Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico.I descend from their child Juan Jose De Armas.

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Published by Armando – Sun, 2012-03-11 09:00 | Permalink

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Have you looked at all of the baptisms and marriages of all of the Armas in
Zacatecas? Sometimes there can be clues found in those records. You should
also try looking page by page through the volumes of Información
Matrimonial to find clues. Those records aren't indexed. You might find
info on Ambrosio de Armas and Quiteria de Velasco in there.

Here are two baptisms you should look for the written records on -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQ8-VQT
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQZ-18G

Armando

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:37 AM, wrote:

> Does anyone have any info on both of these individuals i'm trying to find
> their parents they are both from Nochistlan Zacatecas Mexico.I descend from
> their child Juan Jose De Armas.

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Hi Abram,

I think you've been searching for them on family search only by typing the exacts names you have. You have to be aware that sometimes the surnames of both parents are not mentioned in the records. Also sometimes, the surname or names can change to one similar but not the same such as Velasco for Velasquez, as one of these records I'm passing to you do. Here's what I've found.

José Francisco A. Alvares parents listed as Juan Manuel A. and Jacinta Quiteria Albares.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1PV-T5S

Simon Antonio, parents listed as Juan Ambrosio and Quiteria Velasques
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQ8-ZHL

Juan José Fermin, parents listed as Juan Ambrosio and Quiteria de Olaya
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N8QV-WSZ

José María, parents listed as Juan Ambrosio and María Quiteria
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQD-C7P

María Francisca parents listed as Juan Ambrosio de Armas and Quiteria de Velasco
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1

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Salvador

I really don't agree on most of these individuals being duaghters and sons of Juan Ambrosio De Armas and Quiteria De Velasco.And the reason why is becuase the last names and some of the first names of the parent are really different.The only one i do agree on is the Francisca being the duaghter of Juan and Quiteria but the rest nope not feeling it.

Abram

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Abram,

Don't give up and keep trying. After 9 long years of searching, I finally found my father in-laws birth record. Everyone always said he was born in 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. I exhausted the search for the films of 1901, there's about half a year missing.

Today I found his birth record, he was born in 1902 in La Cienega, Nochistlan Zacatecas. I thought I'd never find it and that it was missing from the 1901 records. When he was alive, he had a surrogate birth record made in Nochistlan to which several people had to attest that they knew him and his parents and knew he was from Nochistlan and from the year 1901. He was born the 9th of January 1902 and baptized the 25th of January of the same year. Antonio Carrillo, son of Francisco Carrillo and Mariana Jauregui.

So you see, it's not always easy, you have to keep at it and not give up.

Alicia

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Alicia,
 
I guess this well-worth advice can apply to me and my search of the Corvera/Corbera lineage.
 
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:18:44 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Never giving up!

Abram,

Don't give up and keep trying. After 9 long years of searching, I finally found my father in-laws birth record. Everyone always said he was born in 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. I exhausted the search for the films of 1901, there's about half a year missing.

Today I found his birth record, he was born in 1902 in La Cienega, Nochistlan Zacatecas. I thought I'd never find it and that it was missing from the 1901 records. When he was alive, he had a surrogate birth record made in Nochistlan to which several people had to attest that they knew him and his parents and knew he was from Nochistlan and from the year 1901. He was born the 9th of January 1902 and baptized

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Yup,
It's even meant for me. I have so many brick walls and this is just one of them. I must keep plugging along, look for all the possible clues and in many cases go back and re-look at some of the films I'd already reviewed that I thought I'd completed.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Never giving up!

Alicia,
 
I guess this well-worth advice can apply to me and my search of the Corvera/Corbera lineage.
 
Pat Silva Corbera
Tracy CA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:18:44 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Never giving up!

Abram,

Don't give up and keep trying. After 9 long years of searching, I finally found my father in-laws birth record. Everyone always said he was born in 1901 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. I exhausted the search for the films

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I was searching for a marriage record for Petra Antonia Corvera - 25 Apr 1797 - La Inmaculada Concepcion, Matelhuala, San Luis Potosi,  Mexico
and came upon a notation about March and April that was written above the word Mayo 1797...(Top of left side of page).

What is the priest saying about March and April?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20441-31-39?cc=1860864&wc…  

Pat Silva Corbera

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Pat,

It says Marzo, Abril no hubo nada  - meaning that in March and April there was no activity.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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From: Pat Corbera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Never giving up!

I was searching for a marriage record for Petra Antonia Corvera - 25 Apr 1797 - La Inmaculada Concepcion, Matelhuala, San Luis Potosi,  Mexico
and came upon a notation about March and April that was written above the word Mayo 1797...(Top of left side of page).

What is the priest saying about March and April?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20441-31-39?cc=1860864&wc…  

Pat Silva Corbera

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 Alicia,

Thank you... there was another grouping of records for this time frame.  

Pat

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Abram,

You still have a lot to learn about genealogical research. I never asked
you if you have found or looked at the marriage record. I was asking if you
have looked at the marriage records for other people with the surname
Armas, those records can sometimes provide clues, as can baptisms for other
people with the surname Armas.

I was hoping you were going to understand what Enrique Agraz pointed out,
especially since you have seen this with other families. The surnames won't
always be spelled the same and can sometimes be transcribed incorrectly.
Remember Alba and Albarez? That should have been a clue to you for future
investigations.

The second link I had given you mentions the parents as Juan Antonio de
Armas and Quiteria Velasquez but that could be due to a bad transcription.
The names and links that Enrique provided make it even more believable.
They likely transcribed Ambrosio incorrectly as Antonio. Take note of the
godparents of all of the baptisms. Sometimes the

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Armando,

Like i said im only 15 im bearly getting how this genealogy stuff works i can't expect to learn all of this wonderful and interesting things in about 4 months no it needs time.Thanks a lot i have not thought of that looking through the padrinos names and seeing if their is any connections if they are parents cousins ect.

I had a question why are all the individuals i come across say espanoles doesn't that mean spanish??

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Abram,

Actually, you can learn most of it in a short amount of time. What you need
to do is listen. It seems many things said to you in the past went ignored
or in one ear and out the other. An example being both Enrique and I
told you to look at certain baptisms and you said you are not feeling it.
This is not about a gut feeling. It is about reading original records to
arrive at logical conclusions. It is also listening and doing what has been
suggested to you by people that have been doing research for a long time
and have seen first hand what has to be done to try to get past brick
walls. Just because I say "can" does not mean "will" but there is no way to
know until you try. After you have finished all of the baptisms, marriages,
and informacion matimonial volumes you can then start to look through the
dispensas.

Yes, the term español means spanish. In other words they are of Spanish
ancestry. They could be at times actually be mestizo or castizo and be
called español. There is

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Juan Martin Suarez Del Real

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Hola a todos,
Me gustaria saber si alguien tiene fechas o datos
sobre sus primeros dos matrimonios. Solamente he
encontrado su tercer matrimonio con Michaela

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Published by Joseph_de_Leon – Mon, 2012-10-01 12:44 | Permalink

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Thanks to my cousin Katy Brecht! She found documentation of Juan Martin Suarez Del Real's third wife. Her name was Thadea de Soto and they married in 1734.

Gracias a mi prima Katy Brecht! Ella encontro los datos de Juan Martin Suarez Del Real's tercer esposa, Thadea de Soto. Se casaron en 1734.

this is the site:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-17458-14?cc=1874591&wc…

Jose Carlos de Leon

Published by Salvador94 – Mon, 2012-04-16 14:35 | Permalink

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Hola Gustavo y José Carlos:

Saben si la familia Suárez del Real tiene un tronco único en México? No desciendo de esta familia pero mi tío el químico Juan Salvador Agraz Ramírez de Prado casó con una señora de dicho apellido originaria de Zacatecas.

Enrique

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Yo no se. El apellido aparece mas en solamente "del Real" y "Suarez del Real" se usa muchas veces con los padres o con los hijos. No hay nada que me diga cual es el apellido correcto. Yo creo que el original apellido era "Suarez del Real". Quizas hay alguien que sabe la repuesta correcta?

Jose Carlos de Leon

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Hola,
Gracias por sus comentarios. No estoy seguro si habia
otras familias con este apellido en Mexico en este
tiempo. Me parece que la mayoria de los hijos de Juan
Martin adoptaron solamente el apellido Del Real.

En el documento dice que era viudo de terceras
nupcias. El cual creo que indica que era viudo
dos veces.

Published by Joseph_de_Leon – Mon, 2012-04-16 10:08 | Permalink

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He's my 6th GGF and I only have those two marriages. Based on their life timelines, Lorensa de la Madera must be his first wife. She died before 1733.

How do you know he was married 3 times??

Jose Carlos de Leon

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El es mi 6 bisabuelo y nomas tengo los dos matrimonios. Segun el tiempo durante sus vidas Lorensa de la Madera tiene que ser su primera esposa. Ella murio antes de 1733.

Como sabe, usted, que el fue casado 3 veces??

Otra nota: Michaela Rosales de Castro murio en 13 July 1769 en Colotlan, Jalisco.
(English) Michaela Rosales de Castro died on 13 July 1769 en Colotlan, Jalisco.

Jose Carlos de Leon

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Si es una dispensa matrimonial ellos eran parientes en tercer grado porque
segun Juan Martin dice que la mama de el era prima hermana de la mama de
Maria Francisca y que el es viudo desde hace dos anos y que Maria Francisca
tiene un ano de viuda dice que el tiene 35 anos de edad y ella 30 y que
comenzaron a relacionarse porque el como estaba viudo necesitaba de alguien
que le cuidara de su ropa y al ver que ella era viuda y honesta le parecio
bien socorrerla economicamente pero luego de un tiempo de estar
relacionados de esa manera el pueblo ( vulgo) comenzo a murmurar diciendo
que tenian otro tipo de relacion y para no perjudicar la honra de ella
entonces se dieron palabra de matrimonio pero los dos sabian que
necesitaban dispensa matrimonial en tercer grado porque las madres de ellos
eran primas hermanas.Tambien dice que su esposa se llamaba Josefa
Balenzuela . declara que es hijo de Juan Martin Suarez del Real y de
Lorenza Madera, que es originario y vecino del puesto de Maria de

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Published by PappyRod – Thu, 2012-07-19 10:57 | Permalink

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This actually Juan Martin del Real b:1717, son of Juan Martin del Real and Lorensa de la Madera. The timing of events would lead one to believe that his first wife Josepha Valenzuela died during childbirth or shortly thereafter.

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Hello everyone,
Although this dispensa relates to his son, I do believe
the original Juan Martin Suarez del Real had a fourth wife.
I read the dispensa for him and Thadea de Soto from
1734. It states that he had been a widow twice already.
It mentions his first wife as Petrona Carlos de Godoy,
Lorensa Madera who I thought was the first was actually
the second. Thadea de Soto was third and the fourth was
Michaela Rosales in 1737. Did this guy have bad luck
or what?

Gustavo Carrillo

Published by PappyRod – Mon, 2012-07-23 09:12 | Permalink

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If I understand this marriage record correctly, Francisca has her mother's name for being "hija natural" - born out of wedlock?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-46392-36?cc=1874591&wc…

My 5th GGF Francisco Suarez del Real (brother to Juan Martin Suarez del Real III) was married to Felipa de Soto (b: abt 1712), daughter of Simon de Soto y Marcela Marques de los Olibos. Most likely this is the same Simon de Soto.

Who has a good GEDCOM of the de Soto family? It now looks like Thadeo de Soto was one of four wifes to Juan Martin Saurez del Real II.

Santiago De Pedroza and Maria De La Cruz

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Hello Again,
Does anyone have Santiago De Pedroza married to Maria De La Cruz in their family tree?
their son was Francisco De Pedroza married to Juana Lopez De La Serda.

> From: research-re

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Published by Ron_Robinson – Tue, 2012-07-31 09:20 | Permalink

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Esteban,

Here is what I have on Santiago de Pedroza & Maria de la Cruz;

Santiago De Pedroza died between 1698-1707 married to Maria De La Cruz

Children;
Juana Pedroza Bapt. 08 June 1692 Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco. Married Joseph De Robalcaba Aug 17, 1707 in Jalostitlan, Jalisco.(this is my wife's downline)
Maria Pedroza Bapt. 23 April 1693 in Lagos De Moreno
Jertrudis Pedroza Bapt 22 May 1697 in Lagos De Moreno
Franco Pedroza Bapt. 02 Nov 1698 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

In my notes I have a possible Baptism for Santiago Pedroza, which I have not researched yet, this baptism is dated 22 July 1668 in Lagos De Moreno and the Parents are listed as Marcos De Pedroza & Maria De Nava.

Hopefully some of this will help you in some way and if you can add to what I posted that would be great.

Best Regards,
Ron Robinson
El Paso, Texas

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Hello Ron,
Thank you for the information. How did you make the connection to Santiago, father of Francisco? The Santiago I found had a wife named Juana De Acosta. He's parents were also named Marcos De Pedroza and Maria De Nava. Do you have any links between these people? Marcos, Santiago and Francisco. Looking forward to your response.
Esteban Pedroza

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On the following website
http://historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/macias.html#num37 (which
has some errors so be careful) it says the following - "Don Santiago de
Pedrosa y de Anda, debió nacer hacia 1669, pues a los 26 años de edad, *el
22 de enero de 1695 levanto información para contraer matrimonio con Doña
Juana de Acosta y Macias-Valadez*, quien era su pariente. Don Santiago fue
hijo de Don Nicolás de Pedroza y de Alba, quien contrajo matrimonio el 2 de
julio de 1656 en Lagos con Doña Mariana hija del Capitán Juan de Anda
Altamirano y González de Castañeda y de su esposa Doña Juana Ruiz de Nava
(González-Leal 1983:116)"

Bill Figueroa might be able to point us to that información matrimonial
since it's not in the index of información matrimonial records created by
George Fulton. Once that información matrimonial is found we can say these
were two different people named Santiago de Pedroza

Santiago de Pedroza y Nava was baptized 22 July 1667 in Lagos de Moreno.

https:/

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I forgot to say I can't go back further on the Pedroza line but Juana
Bautista de Alba y Retamosa was the daughter of Joseph Alonso de Alba and
Leonor Vásquez de Retamosa. No marriage or baptims records exist for them.

Saludos,
Armando

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Armando y Esteban,

Desde hace días he estado buscando algún documento que compruebe que
Santiago de Pedrosa era hijo Nicolás de Pedroza y Alba y Mariana de Anda
Altamirano, como lo afirma el Arq. Rodolfo Hernandez Chávez en "Historias y
Recuerdos de Encarnación de Díaz". No he encontrado ningún documento que lo
compruebe. Yo lo tengo como hijo de Marcos de Pedroza y Alba (hermano de
Nicolás) y María de Nava. Las informaciones matrimoniales de Aguascalientes
para el año de 1695 no se encuentran en línea, quien sabe por que razón.
Sin embargo, Santiago de Pedroza era primo tercero de su esposa Juana de
Acosta, por lo que pueden haber solicitado dispensa de la Sagrada Mitra para
contraer matrimonio. Esa dispensa todavía no la he buscado. Santiago de
Pedroza y Juana de Acosta contrajeron matrimonio el 13 de febrero de 1695,
por lo que el 22 de enero de 1695 parece ser la fecha correcta cuando
presentaron su información matrimonial. Ese documento habrá que buscarlo
directamente in

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Bill y Esteban,

Por este mensaje me puse a buscar la dispensa en
www.guadalajaradispensas.com por fechas y en Matrimonios 1636-1699
microfilm 168357 en la página 360 empieza la dispensa de Santiago de
Pedrosa y Juana Acosta. El indice hecho por Jaime R. Alvarado dice 360 santiago
pedrosa (h.l. nicolas pedrosa & mariana de anda) & juana de acosta (h.l.
antonio de acosta & ursula alvarez) / santa maria de los lagos y
aguascalientes

No he tenido tiempo de revisar la dispensa.

Saludos,
Armando

2012/8/9 Bill Figueroa

> Armando y Esteban,
>
> Desde hace días he estado buscando algún documento que compruebe que
> Santiago de Pedrosa era hijo Nicolás de Pedroza y Alba y Mariana de Anda
> Altamirano, como lo afirma el Arq. Rodolfo Hernandez Chávez en "Historias y
> Recuerdos de Encarnación de Díaz". No he encontrado ningún documento que
> lo
> compruebe. Yo lo tengo como hijo de Marcos de Pedroza y Alba (hermano de
> Nicolás) y María de Nava. Las informaciones matrimoniales de
>

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Armando y Esteban,

Ya encontré la dispensa. Se encuentra con los Matrimonios de la Diócesis de
Guadalajara, 1636-1699, la cual puede verse en línea empezando con la Imagen
360. La declaración de Santiago de Pedroza se encuentra algunas páginas más
adelante, empezando con la imagen 365.

Efectivamente, Santiago de Pedroza era hijo de Nicolás de Pedroza y de
Mariana de Anda, como lo afirma el Arq. Rodolfo Hernández Chávez en
"Historias y Recuerdos de Encarnación de Díaz". La dispensa lo dice
claramente. El enlace es el siguiente:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-15398-29?cc=1874591&wc…

Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armando"
To:
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santiago De Pedroza

> Bill y Esteban,
>
> Por este mensaje me puse a buscar la dispensa en
> www.guadalajaradispensas.com por fechas y en Matrimonios 1636-1699
> microfilm 168357 en la página 360 empieza la dispensa de

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The dispensa for Nicolás Ramírez Pedroza and Andrea de los Dolores Romo de
Vivar Martín del Campo recently indexed at
http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2012/09/1772-1773-fhl-source-film-1…
that the Santiago de Pedroza that the original poster was looking
for was the son of Marcos de Pedrosa y Alba and María Isabel de Nava
(daughter of Tomás de Villalobos y Pérez de Nava and Catarina Macías
Valadez y Villegas)

The definición de parentesco is on the following page -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18402-45180-83?cc=1874591&wc…

Javier Sanchiz Ruiz shows the spouse of this Santiago de Pedroza to be
María de la Cruz Martín del Campo Isassi the daughter of Nicolás Martín del
Campo López de la Cruz & Sebastiana Isassi Cuevas. The source is cited as
Juan Francisco Javier Salceda Andrade.
http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=es;p=nicolas;n=martin+del+campo+lo…

Saludos
Armando

A little help verifying a record.

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Juanita,
I hope the following is helpful to you.

En el año del Señor de mil ochocientos ochenta y nueve a veintie de Octubre en la iglesia parroquial de Mesquitic yo el Presbitero Dn. Jesús Ma.

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David,

Thank you for the translation. I'm disappointed that this seems to refer to Pilar as a female. Is it possible that Pilar is male? :) I thought I was so on point. My Great Grandfather Pilar's birthday was October 11, 1889 (a one day difference) and considering I seems they share the same parental names. Do you think that considering all the writing errors in this document that it could be my great grandfather? Thank you for taking the time to look over this record for me. Juanita Henniger

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Juanita,

The phrase "un infante de nueve dias nacido" definitely refers to a male child. I unthinkingly assumed that Pilar refers to a female. I also made the mistake of assuming that a "madrina" meant
that a female child was involved. I agree with you that this record of Pilar's baptism refers to a boy. Sorry.

David in Albany, CA

On Thu 27/09/12 8:44 PM , juanitahenniger@msn.com sent:
> David,
>
> Thank you for the translation. I'm disappointed that this seems to refer
> to Pilar as a female. Is it possible that Pilar is male? :) I thought I was
> so on point. My Great Grandfather Pilar's birthday was October 11, 1889 (a
> one day difference) and considering I seems they share the same parental
> names. Do you think that considering all the writing errors in this
> document that it could be my great grandfather? Thank you for taking the
> time to look over this record for me. Juanita Henniger-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List

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No David do not apologize. I appreciate all the help. I have 3 years of high school Spanish and that was 30 years ago. Unfortunately, I have seldom had taken the opportunity to keep up my skills. So I find myself struggling to understand the documents. And then add the horrible handwriting and the different script styles and the abbreviations all this at times wants me to pull my hair. So, people like you giving of your time to help is so much appreciated.

Could I impose on you once more? From the marriage license I assumed Pedro's father was Fulgencio, but the baptismal record says Flortina or Flortino would in your experience a name be spelled so different?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20473-6640-16?cc=1860864&…

Thank you again,

Juanita Henniger

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Juanita,

I see no reasonable similarity in sound or spelling between 'Flortina/o' and 'Fulgncio'. There's always a margin for discrepancies in baptismal documents. Remember that the
parents were not always present at the baptism. Information was provided by the godparents. Also the name could have been heard inaccurately, etc. The marriage record
you included clearly shows 'Fulgencio' as the name. Unable to provide much more help than to say it's an imperfect science.

David in Albany, CA

On Fri 28/09/12 4:31 PM , juanitahenniger@msn.com sent:
> No David do not apologize. I appreciate all the help. I have 3 years of
> high school Spanish and that was 30 years ago. Unfortunately, I have
> seldom had taken the opportunity to keep up my skills. So I find myself
> struggling to understand the documents. And then add the horrible
> handwriting and the different script styles and the abbreviations all this
> at times wants me to pull my hair. So, people like you giving of

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Pedro was baptized as Pedro Celestino Valdez Hernandez on 30 May 1850. He
was the son of Fulgencio Valdez and Cecilia Hernandez.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JM4V-R68

The marriage document also mentions Pedro as the son of Fulgencio Valdez
and Cecilia Hernandez.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20420-25423-54?cc=1860864…

Florentina was probably a sister of Pedro since she was the godmother of
Pilar.

Regards,
Armando

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Thank you Armando,

I wondered if Florentina might have been an unmarried sister of Pedro. I'm going to keep searching and hopefully I find Florentina. Thank you again. I do appreciate it.

Lol, the thought did come to my mind that Pedro and Matina might have had a child for every year they were married since birth control was not practiced. But like I said I did find a set of twins in another parish whose parents were Pedro and Matina. Twins do run in the family. I also found where Fulgencio and Cecila had a set of twins Flipa and Santiago ;)so those little girls are looking like they could be part of the family tree.

Thank you for your help and suggestions. It helps tremendously to bounce off ideas and thoughts with other people.

Juanita Henniger

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Thank you David. I've been trying to wrap this marriage license around the dates. The marriage was in 1877 and Pilar was born in 1889, his brother was born in 1902 both of them had the same maderina both say that Pedro was from San Pedro. I will have to research the area. But the marriage date bothers me and gives me lots of questions. Did they not have children for 12 years? Did they move? Are the twin girls I found in Neustra Senora del la Asuncion who were born in 1902 with parents listed as Pedro Valdez and Matena Sandate part of the family or is this another set of parents and no relations. The big question is what happened between 1877 and 1889 and can i find another marriage license for these children who were born from 1889-1902. Lol, so it's back to drawing board for me. Thank you again David. I appreciate all you've done.

Juanita Henniger

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Pedro Valdez and Matiana Sandate probably had lots of children between 1877
and 1889 but the records are probably missing for those years which makes
it seem they didn't have children for that time period.

Regards,
Armando

FamilyTreeDNA 72 hour Sale

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Attn: List members,

I was viewing the FamilyTreeDNA website, and was surprised to see that the autosomal test was on sales for the next 72 hours...

Originally priced at $289.00 it is now $

RE DNA tests

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I've been reading with interest, but with little comprehension, the posts re DNA tests.

What is this "autosomal" thing? Does it cost extra?

Dispensas marimoniales diocesis de Michoacan

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Can any one tell me where can I locate de "Dispensas Matrimoniales" I am looking for one that the marriage was in Guanajuato but just to belong to the diocesis de Michoacan at that time year 1841.

To Josie: Catalago del Archivo del Registro Publico

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>
> Hi Josie,
>
Absolutely, I have time to check. Unfortunately, there are no LIENDO or
LIENDRO surnames in the book.

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Published by October Fly (not verified) – Thu, 2012-09-27 10:54 | Permalink

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Hi Maria,

Can you check for any variation of Estrada, San Martin Y Estrada, San Martin, San Martin de Estrada?

Thanks in advance!

While on the subject of DNA...

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...I'd like to remind members that I have created a file with NR members results of Native American mtDNA results (maternal lines only) - please contact me via private message if you would like to inc

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