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Hello Mr. Alvarez.

The corresponding images to some of the indexed records in batch M60575-1 can be found on images 95 to 138 in film no. 654371. There are marriage records for "El pueblo de Apaseo y sus sujetos", years 1589 to 1616.

(Link to image 95 film 654371: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9G6V-D3X)

Example: The first marriage record in the image (miguel Buraqua and Clara guaxo, 11 Apr 1589) is one of the indexed records:

Name: Miguel
Sex: Male
Spouse's Name: Clara
Spouse's Sex: Female
Marriage Date: 11 Apr 1589
Marriage Place: San Juan Bautista, Apaseo el Grande, Guanajuato, México
Digital Folder Number: 4786295
Microfilm Number: 654418
Originating System: ODM
Indexing Batch: M60575-1

Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC39-V5B : 20 May 2021), Miguel, 1589.

Hope this may be of some help.

Rubén

Here is record on www.familysearch.org there are 7 children some married and one has the name of another morones as padrinos. that might help. Since it seems they had children from 1731 to about 1750 and records have not been indexed. Going through marriages images might be necessary for the years prior to 1731.

Nicolas Ramires
1704–Deceased • LHXP-G7V​
Maria De La Consepcion Morones
1715–Deceased • LHXP-G9V

On another note. It was easy to get to the records by clicking on the year. That is new to me, how did you accomplish it?

Hi Carlos,

I see Tomo 2 - 7. Did I miss Tomo 1? Also, on the order form for Casas & Familias de la Vieja Valladolid it still says Retoños.

Danny

Hola! Haz podido encontrar informacion adicional? Yo desciendo de ellos.

Hola,

Yo soy decendiente directo de esta familia... o sea que somos familia :)

Pudiste averiguar mas?

Hola Víctor, lo mas probable, aunque aún no lo tengo comprobado es que Juan Gómez de Terrazas sea hijo de Juan Gómez de Terrazas y María Cisneros, también llamada María Espinoza. Fueron vecinos tanto de Cuquío como de Tepatitlán. Eran mulatos. Antonia de Mendoza a veces aparece como Antonia de Torres también y tenía una hermana llamada Andrea, casada con un Plascencia.

1). Queen of England and France, Eleanor of Aquitane (b.abt1122), (d.1/Apr/1204) + Henry II Plantagenet, King of England
2). Princess of England, Leonore Plantagenet Queen consort of Castilla (b.13/Oct/1162, d.October/1214) + Alfonso VIII "el noble", King of Castilla
3). Berenguela I "la Grande", Queen of Castilla (d.8/Nov/1246) + Alfonso IX, "el Baboso" King of León and Galicia (b.15/Aug/1171), (d.24/Sep1230)
4). Alfonso de León, Señor de Molina y Mesa (b.1202) + Teresa Perez de Braganza [mistress]
Some genealogists name Urraca’s mother as Alfonso’s 3rd wife, Mayor Alfonso de Meneses.
5). Urraca Alfonso de Molina (b.abt 1233) + Garci Gomez de Carillo, señor de Ormasa
6). Garcia de Carillo.Señor de Ormasa y Mazuelo, (b. ca. 1266) + Elvira Alvarez de Osorio
7). Juana Garcia Carillo y Álvarez Osorio + Diego Gutierrez de Ceballos
8). Elvira Alvarez de Ceballos and Fernan Perez de Ayala, IX Sr. De Ayala
9). Juana Garcia de Ayala (Aka Fernández de Ayala aka de Ayala) married in

Here are two interesting court cases that may shed light on the ancestry of Pedro Yanguas and on the identity of the mother of Ana Carillo De Peralta Regada and of her half sister Ana De Peralta

First Case:
* Título: 
PEDRO DE YANGUAS Y ANA CARRILLO DE PERALTA contra GASTON DE PERALTA
* Serie: 
Procesos judiciales. Ochoa-Sentenciados
* Productor: 
CORTE MAYOR DE NAVARRA
* Fechas: 
1547.01.28 - 1547.08.12
* Lugar:
LOGROÑO - LA RIOJA - ESPAÑA
FALCES - NAVARRA - ESPAÑA
* Contenido: 
Pedro de Yanguas, regidor perpetuo de la ciudad de Logroño, y Ana Carrillo de Peralta, su mujer, contra Gaston de Peralta, marques de Falces, sobre entrega de 2.000 ducados de dote ofrecidos en el testamento de Alfonso Carrillo de Peralta, marques de Falces.

Second case:

Título: ANA DE PERALTA contra GASTON DE PERALTA
Serie: Procesos judiciales. Solano-Pendientes
Productor: CONSEJO REAL DE NAVARRA
Fechas: 1547.12.02 - 1553.12.31
Lugar:
Traibuenas - MURILLO EL CUENDE - NAVARRA - ESPAÑA
Rada - MURILLO EL

Regina Villaseñor de la Cuevas’s descent from royalty through her Peralta ancestors.

A few notes labeled A through H before the tree.

Note A.
A small minority claim that García Martínez Peralta and Ana Sánchez Ruiz de Azagra are the parents of “Mosén Pierres de Peralta “el Viejo”.

Many people claim that 2.”Mosén Pierres de Peralta, el Viejo” was the illegitimate son of Charles II De Navarro d’ Evereaux.

Both are mistaken as their is an extra generation which shows that Mosen Pierre De Peralta “el Viejo” (Pedro Perez de Peralta) is a grandson of both García Martínez Peralta and Ana Sánchez Ruiz de Azagra and king Carlos II “el malo” and queen Juana De Francia

Note B
Geronimo Lopez “el Mozo” and his wife, Ana Carillo de Peralta came from the upper high class. Their immediate descendants married into other upper high class society like the Villaseñor, Lomelin, Santiago, Ovande, Alvarez Nuñez, Rivadeneyra, and Cervantes families to name some of them.

Note C
The Diego Coria III

Good luck with your research! As many of us I have more than three lines that go back to Diego Romo de Vivar, which is really more common than we may at first think. I have few Flores ancestors, not clearly related between them. Apparently a real cradle for Romo, Flores, Ruiz de Esparza, Luevano, and others is Aguascalientes and Rincón de Romos is a place to look for roots. Many migrated to Zacatecas very early, when Aguascalientes was not yet a State. Escobedo is more common in Zacatecas.

I easily created my gedcom file in geneanet but to do so you must first create your tree there, then export it as gedcom and save it in your computer, then you can export your gedcom file to other sites. I hope this help to answer your question.

I'm not too sure that the GEDCOM works anymore. I can check with the person who runs the site, but I would assume that it won't work.

Welcome to the group, TM.

Danny

Hello, my parents and grandparents and ancestors came from Villa Obregon. My grandfather Florencio Villalobos had a ranch called "La Campanita" and he went to to Arizona around 1907-1909 with a Mariano Perez and his brother Lucio Perez but my grandfather never returned. He died somewhere in Arizona. My mother lived to 107 yrs. of age and just passed away recently, she told us many stories about Canadas, Jalisco. Did the Mariano Perez you're looking for live around that time?

Steve,

These records do exist, but they weren't microfilmed, they begin in 1796. Isidro and his brother Mariano Perez Rueda, as well as their first cousin Jose de Jesus Muñoz Perez were all baptized in San Juan de los Lagos.
Isidro (1879-1911) and his older brother Mariano (1877-1911) were born in El Papalote near San Juan de los Lagos, they weren't from Cañadas de Obregon. Jose de Jesus was born in 1888. They are from the Perez Franco(de Paredes) lineage, not from the Perez Gallo.

Rick

I read this thread today and feel that part of it comes close to
crossing the line. Anyone who pulls records on a daily basis is well aware
of who there ancestors are, but to pick out a handful and obsessively focus
on their race, ethnicity and religion and talk of conspiracies and
bloodlines using words like pure, not to mention putting down in writing
stereotypes which are already offensive and certainly don't need repeating,
is unnecessary.

Paige

Steve

Today this municipality is pretty small, about 3,500 people. Could it have been too small to have a parish of its own?

Perhaps there are records for it as a branch (or a chapel) of a larger parish? When looking at a map, there are some larger towns with parish churches in the vicinity. The Family Search catalog does not necessarily provide any details on branches/chapels that may be included. I looked at the catalog for Jalostotitlan, as an example, and the catalog gave no information.

Your option would seem to be to peruse the church records for the nearby communities. Records for a branch/chapel could be mixed with the regular parish records, they could be added at the end of a month or year. There is always the unfortunately possibility they are completely out of order, and may be found with another year.

The fact that the filmed civil records date from 1870 is suggestive of a rather small community (although there is always the possibility that earlier records could have

Jose Antonio Padilla’s mother is Maria Gallo according to the Jose Antonio’s marriage record. Do you know how much his Maria Gallo is related to Maria Francisca Gallo’s father?

I also have Gallo in my ancestral lines.

Rick A. Ricci

Welcome!

Bienvenido Fernando, ojalá encuentres información útil y ayuda aquí en Nuestros Ranchos.

Saludos,

Bernardo Menchaca

This is a death record, not a birth record.
José Trinidad Ávila is the deceased. He was son of Ysidra Solís and José de Ávila. And he died when he was 86 years old, hence he was an "adulto"
Anastacio de Ávila is the son of José Trinidad, the one who reported the death of his dad. The word is "expuso", which means "he declared/explained".

The record mentions that Carlos had a brother named Juan Baptista Lomelin. That may help.

-Claudia

Is “Juan Marin” that married Elbira (Elvira) Juarez (Xuarez) de Peña Losa the same person as “Juan Marin “, son of Conquistador Capitan Luis Marin and Maria Mendoza? The dates and location fit, same age, same city.

Rick A. Ricci

Buenos dias David,

Just a small comment about the colonial records, regarding your sentence:

"I have seen many examples within these Mexican colonial records were people who are more accurately and originally described as mixed race, appear later in life described as “español”".

Probably you already know but it might be interesting for the rest of the community NR, in the colonial Mexico the "castas" were defined according to the origins of the parents and it was possible to consider a mixed race as "español" after the third generation.

If an "español" married an "india" the children are "mestizos", if a "mestizo" maried an "español" the children were "castizos". If a castizo married an "español", the children were considered "españoles".

That is why some of them appear later in life as "español".

A complete clasification of the "castas" can be found in;

https://www.significados.com/castas-de-la-nueva-espana/

Regards

Jorge

To my knowledge the only source of this info is JH Letters "Juana Navarro, wife of Benito de Isla, was buried in Teocaltiche on 28 Dec 1651. The albaceas of her will were Antonio de Ruvalcaba and Miguel Martínez de Alarcón, vecinos de Teocaltiche. This information was extracted from an unmicrofilmed death record in Teocaltiche." But there is no transcription of what was in the record and no information on who this Benito de Isla was.

David,

Here is what I have -

There were letters between Jaime Holcombe Isunza and Mary Lou Montagna that a lot of what is known or deduced comes from. Mary Lou would go to Mexico and visit the churches to see the documents herself. Mary Lou compiled information from the letters and their findings. This the following is some of what is found in the compilation of the letters.

The Benito de la Isla y Labesares, from Seville, who came in 1557 as a servant to whom was undoubtedly a relative, is my ancestor all right, but one generation before. Because there are documents on the other Benito’s two sisters, living in Nochistlán. The one that came from Spain came alone and single. So how do two sisters suddenly turn up? No way. The following fits in generationwise:

Benito de la Isla y Labesares married N.N.

1. María de la Concepción de Islas, married Juan Delgadillo, a son of Diego Delgadillo and Isabel Calderón.
2. Elvira de Islas, married Joseph González.
3. Benito

Hi David

Very interesting theory! I wish i had info for you, but the Isla line is not one i have ever researched. However, it would be good to get straight, the children of Petronila and Martin. You have found a reference in the forum to 3 daughters and 1 son. I seem to recall a post that named 2 daughters and 2 sons. I just did some searches for that post but cannot find it, so maybe i remember wrong. Could you post the link to the one you found? I am currently going through records from mex city in the late 1550s, if i see the isla name i will post here.

Regards
Denise Fastrup

Welcome!

Hi, I have the same problem. My paternal line lived on/near the Hacienda Trujillo, just west of Fresnillo. The Online Family Search church records go no older than about 1858. My father and step mother lived in the area and they were 'unofficially' told church records before 1860ish were destroyed in the past during the Revolution. I have not been able to confirm this information. I was going to reach out to one of the LDS Family History Centers and inquire as they could have more information about the status of records from before 1860.

When asking for help, it is important to provide as much information as you can . You should add midddle names and any padrinos that you have found in the documents that you have already combed through. Another thing would be to write the different variations of Rubalcava that you have used in your search since there are many abbreviations for this name. The more information that you can provide, the easier it is for someone to pick up the search where you left off.

I found a record with Francisco using Xavier as a middle name. I can’t name how many variations of abbreviations of the Rubalcava I have seen as after a few minutes I can think of another one. Some of the abbreviations include different variations of Gonzalez along with Rubalcava.

It would also be helpful to know the names of the children that you have already found. Providing more specific dates also helps, especially the ages of the youngest child you have found along with the oldest child.

Francisco Xavier

1). Lazaro Rodríguez + Ynes Chavez

2). Juan Rodríguez (bap.23Feb 1707) + Andrea Lopes

3).Juan Antonio Bricio Rodriguez + Ana Gregoria Estrada

4). Jose Miguel Rodriguez + Maria Antonia Lopez

5). Juan Ramon Rodriguez + Maria Vicenta Ximenez

6). Maria Antonia Rodriguez + Jesus Rubalcava

7). Maria Carmen Ruvalcava + Terezo Prieto

8). Gerardo Rubalcava y Prieto + Remedios Juarez

9). George J. Prieto y Juarez + Maria Mendez

10). Valerie Prieto y Mendez

Ana Gregoria de Estrada is the daughter of Francisco (?) Estrada and Maria Josepha Prieto. Not sure if the first name is Francisco.

Rick A. Ricci

Valerie

The two in the subject line are my 5th great grandparents.

There is a discrepancy which I would like to know if you can clear up. One of their children was Jose Miguel Rodriguez de Estrada and the Rodriguez patronym carried on through the next generations until my grandfather, Jose Pedro Rodriguez, and then to my mother who also carried the Rodriguez name.

Do you have any information about Juan Antonio Bricio Rodriguez; whether Bricio was his paternal last name; where he was born; who are his ancestors.

Thanks.

Charles Clark
cclarklaw807@pacbell.net

Thank you for all the information, I had hit a brick wall and couldn't go further into the Rubalcava line. I still learning how to use your website but look forward to learning more and more.

1.) Antonio de Miramontes and Maria de Esquibel

2.) Isabel de Miramontes and Andres Martinez Correa and
3.) Francisco Antonio Correa and Maria Sandoval de Guzman
4.) Baltazar de los Relles Correa and Magdalena D’Avila Salcedo
5.) Jose Felipe de Santiago Correa and Rosa Castañeda Delgado
6.) Jph. Ma. Desciderio Correa and Ma. Quirina Ximenez

Rick A. Ricci

Deciderio Correa is the son of Felipe De Santiago Correa D’Avila and Rosa Castañeda Delgado. Quirina is the daughter of Jose Laureano Ximenez and Maria Guadalupe Chavez.

Deciderio’s whole name Is José María Desiderio Correa Castañeda.

Quirina’s whole name is Maria Quirina Ximenez de Chavez.

Deciderio and Quirina were married on 6 Sep 1826.

I have much more information on their ancestry but it is almost 2:00 in the morning so I will leave that for another day.

I am distantly related to them thorough my Ruiz De Esparza ancestry. Deciderio Correa descends from Lope Ruiz De Esparza.

Rick A. Ricci