Hello Nuestros ranchos,I have come to a road block with my grandparents on my mothers side of the family. My grand father Lucio Carrillo was born in Tepechitlan, Zacatcas around 1899.
Hello
Lucio was my great grandfather and was born from 1899 to 1900. If you have any questions feel free to email me at gumecindoe@gmail.com
Joseph, the email below that you received from Jose Maria Vallejo Mercado was spam.
Hola compañeros, alguno de ustedes sabe donde se encuentra el lugar llamado Rincón de León?
Hola Jorge,
Segun el sitio de internet... "http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com", hay una localidad llamada "Rincon de Leon" en Tierra Nueva, San Luis Potosi y otra en la Huacana Michoacan, estos son los enlaces... "http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/rincon-de-leon-3/" y "http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/rincon-de-leon/".
En el municipio de Leon Guanajuato aparecen... "Rincon Grande, Rincon Verde, y Rincones de la Mora", y en Arandas aparecen... "Rincon de Ocotes,y Boca de Leones".
Este es el enlance a las localidads de Arandas: http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/jalisco/arandas/. Recuerda que quizas los ranchitos/localidades de aquel entonces ya tengan un nombre nuevo o simplemente ya no existen.
Hace un tiempo comparti en NR el enlace a "mexico.pueblosamerica.com", porque crei que seria algo util para localizar pequenos ranchos o localidades que no aparecen en un mapa comun. Espero que te sirva de algo la informacion.
Saludos,
Roberto Hdez
Muchas gracias Roberto, creo que si será de mucha utilidad el enlace que me envías, lo utilizaré de hoy en adelante. De nuevo gracias.
De nada Jorge,
A mi me sirvio el elance para localizar el "ranchito" donde nacio mi Abuelo, ya que al ser tan pequeno... no aparecia en un mapa ordinario. Ademas de poder localizar "ranchitos", tambien podemos ubicar "localidades" que comunmente solo son conocidas por los lugarenos/locales de dichas regiones, estan los clasicos... "El Potrero, El Atascadero, Las Milpas, Cuatro Esquinas, etc...".
Saludos,
Roberto Hdez
Hola a todos,
Estimado Roberto,
Esto precisamente necesitaba ver, datos específicos con fechas más o menos específicas. Con esta información a la mano, se nos hace más fácil seguirle “jalándole al hilito” como dicen por ahí.
A base de esta información me fue posible hacer una búsqueda de matrimonio de tus antepasados más remotos, José Isabel Hernández y María del Refugio Ayala. Ellos se casaron el 8 de septiembre de 1868, el La Barca, Jalisco.
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950 for Jose Ysabel Hernandes
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Groom's Name: Jose Ysabel Hernandes
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Bride's Name: Refugio Ayala
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Marriage Date: 08 Sep 1868
Marriage Place: La Barca,Jalisco,Mexico
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Margarito Hernandes Ayala
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Ysabel Hernandes
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Antonio Hernandes
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Ygnacia Garcia
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Andres Ayala
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Hola Steven,
Gracias por la informacion, me faltaba "Eduarda" como una de las hermanas de J. Refugio. Ya tengo la partida de bautismo de J. Refugio, y fue con la que mas batalle' para encontrarla, la razon puede ser porque en el index de Familysearch aparece como Hernandez Agalar vs. Hernandez Ayala.
Saludos,
Roberto Hdez
Estimado Roberto,
Te felicito por tu deseo, la genealogía es un mundo de aventura e historia. También tengo líneas en Ayo el Chico (Ayotlán). Si tus Hernández vienen de ahí , sería probable que son Herández Gamiño. Déjame saber si te puedo ayudar, tengo más de seis años de experencia.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Hola Daniel,
Gracias por ofrecerme tu ayuda, Si la acepto. Al principio tambien Yo pense que mi apellido podria estar relacionado a los Hernandez Gamino de Ayotlan y Arandas, pero la poca informacion que he podido encontrar alrededor de J. Refugio Hdez, apunta hacia una posible conexion con los Hernandez de la Region de la Barca, Jalisco, posiblemente otra rama de Hernandez, aunque todo es posible y de alguna forma esten relacionados a los Hernandez Gamino de Ayotlan y Arandas. Primero necesito encontrar mas informacion de J. Refugio Hernandez Ayala, nacido aproximandamente en 1880, en la region de La Barca o Ayotlan Jalisco.
Gracias Daniel,
Roberto Hdez
hola Roberto,
Bienvenido al apasionante mundo de la genealogia, estoy segura de que entre
los miembros de nuestros ranchos encontrarás mucha ayuda.
Te recomiendo visites el sitio de https://www.familysearch.org/search/ ahi
puedes realizar las busquedas que necesitas y con un poco de suerte
encontrarás los datos de la parroquia y la fecha exacta del bautiso, de ahi
puedes consultar los registros digitalizados, aqui te pongo el link para que
puedas entrar a los registros de jalisco
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/show#uri=https%3A//api.family…
En las partidas bautismales podras conseguir los nombres de los padres y con
un poco mas de suerte, la de los abuelos....y asi vuelves a empezar el
proceso.
Otro consejo...es excelente que te quieras enfocar en tu linea paterna, pero
mantente abierto, a mi por ejemplo se me ha facilitado mucho mas encontrar
los registros de las lineas maternas, cuestion de suertee.
Y finalmente, si un día
Muchas Gracias Martha,
Ha sido en FamilySearch donde he encontrado las actas de bautismo y el censo Mexicano de 1930, pero aun no conosco todas las herrramientas y ayuda que puedo encontrar en FamilySearch.
Tienes una muy buena idea sobre poner una guia alas funciones de FamilySearch.
Nuevamente Gracias,
Roberto Hdez
Hello Joseph. For some reason the long hyperlinks are truncated making the
URLs useless. This is why I use http://goo.gl to shorten them.
Joseph, I think I had a momentary connection problem after all. I tried the
links again and they worked fine. Sorry for the confusion.
Armando
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Armando wrote:
> Hello Joseph. For some reason the long hyperlinks are truncated making the
> URLs useless. This is why I use http://goo.gl to shorten them. Just paste
> the long URL into that site and it will provide a shorter one that won't
> get truncated.
>
> Armando
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
>> Just FYI:
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>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15210-25859-37?cc=1410092
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>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15210-25859-37?cc=1410092&wc…
>> 1825> &wc=6841825
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>> Mexico, Catholic Church Records
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>> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15210-25859-37?cc=1410092&wc…
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>> 1825#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.familysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fcollection%2F1410092
>> %2Fwaypoints
>> >
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>> * Zacatecas
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>> https://familysearch.org/pal
Im trying to find this individuals birth or marriage records help please thanks?
Abram
You are fortunate to have ancestors from Nochistlan for two reasons: (1) the state of the church records is excellent, and (2) the baptisms have been extracted to 1875, and marriages to 1885.
Go to https://www.familysearch.org/
In the window you will see boxes for first and last name, Enter "Jauregui" in the last name box.
Immediately below this is a line that begins with "Search by Life Events"; click on marriage. A new line will open asking for a location, and a date range.
For location, type "nochistlan, zacatecas, mexico," it is not necessary to capitalize the place name. Accents are not required.
If you press search at this point, you will get more than 49,000 results. Too many. So you need to narrow down the search. From the search parameter window on the left of the screen, type in a date range (try 1870-1885) which would seem reasonable for this couple based on other information you have. This will give a smaller list, but still way too many.
You can narrow down
Abram Flores
how do i get to the idigitized records, and view and download it.
Abram,
To get to the digitized records for Nochistlan Zacatecas, go to the following address:
www.familysearch.org, click on USA, CANADA and MEXICO, >click on Mexico, > click on Mexico Catholic Church Records-Browse Images, 21 Dec, 2010 >click on Browse through 16,596,760 Images, > click on Zacatecas
>click on Nochistlan Zacatecas. Bookmark this page onto your desk top.
This will bring you to a page with the index for the type of register you are searching for and for the range of the years such as Bautismos/Baptisms, Confirmaciones/Confirmations, Entierros/Burials, Informacion Matrimonial/These are marriage investigations. Matrimonios/Marriage Records and Procesos Matrimoniales/Marriage processes.
I hope this helps you.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca.
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Abram Flores
how do i get to the
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…
put this in your address bar and it should give you all of Zacatecas, just chose the city you want..
good luck
Linda in Everett
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Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 11:47 AM
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Abram,
To get to the digitized records for Nochistlan Zacatecas, go to the following address:
www.familysearch.org, click on USA, CANADA and MEXICO, >click on Mexico, > click on Mexico Catholic Church Records-Browse Images, 21 Dec, 2010 >click on Browse through 16,596,760 Images, > click on Zacatecas
>click on Nochistlan Zacatecas. Bookmark this page onto your desk top.
This will bring you to a page with the index for the type of register you are searching for and for the range of the years such as Bautismos/Baptisms, Confirmaciones/Confirmations, Entierros
actually I should have said just click on this address and then add it to your favorites list
Linda
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https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.famil…
put this in your address bar and it should give you all of Zacatecas, just chose the city you want..
good luck
Linda in Everett
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To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Using Family Search
Abram,
To get to the digitized records for Nochistlan Zacatecas, go to the following address:
www.familysearch.org, click on USA, CANADA and MEXICO, >click on Mexico, > click on Mexico Catholic Church Records-Browse Images, 21 Dec, 2010 >click on Browse through 16,596,760
Abram Flores
thank you alicia thank you linda.Is there any way where i can skip all those thousands of records and just get to the one i need?
Abram
Records are in chronological order. If the record you need is in the middle of the date range of the volume, start your search in about the middle. Then move several images forward or back, depending how far the date of record you are are viewing is from the one you want, make either larger or smaller jumps. It just a matter of approximation and getting closer until you are at the right spot..
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Flores
I was referring to the marriage records i wanted to find felipe armas and leonarda lozano marriage records so i clicked on 1874-1880 and their were tons of names in alphabet order and so i went to the f section and i found felipe armas married to leonarda lozano but from their on what was i suppose to do look through thousands of record page by page to find them.
I misunderstood your question.
The indexes may give you a record number: the first record in the volume is 1, next is 2, and so on. You just need to jump through the film until you get the one you need. Some films will have more than one volume of records, so don't make too big of a jump.
Some indexes will give you a folio number. That is, the front and back have the same number (this is sort of like numbering every other page of a book). The front will sometimes be identified as "21f" and the back as "21v". F = frente, and F = vuelta.
Some indexes will be by actual page number (this is the more modern records).
The first page of the index should identify the system they used.
Ocassionally there will be an error in the index. So, if you don't find your record, look a few pages before or after.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Abram Flores
It's okay so where i found this info was on familysearch.org not nuestrosranchos.?
you make me smile.. if you find a way not to the grunt work let me know.. Sometimes we get lucky enough to find someone who's already working that surname or line. I know I have my files on Rootsweb.com complete with the film and page number on the later ones to help people like you who don't have the time to go page to page like I do..
Linda in Everett
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Abram Flores
thank you alicia thank you linda.Is there any way where i can skip all those thousands of records and just get to the one i need?
Abram Flores
okay so i was looking through the 1874-1880 marriage records and i was looking through the list of names and i found felipe armas and leonarda lozano so from that point on how do i find their record of marriage without going page by page?
Look for the date!!! is the fastest way of doing it!
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM, wrote:
> Abram Flores
> okay so i was looking through the 1874-1880 marriage records and i was
> looking through the list of names and i found felipe armas and leonarda
> lozano so from that point on how do i find their record of marriage
> without going page by page?
>
Abram,
I don't know of another way to do it. Sometimes you get lucky or your have very precise information that leads you very close to the desired pages. Most of us do what we have to do to get the info and if it means page by page, well that's exactly what we have to do. Wish I could tell you otherwise. Enjoy the learning process. Those who are not willing to do the work just give up and quit genealogy.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
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Abram Flores
okay so i was looking through the 1874-1880 marriage records and i was looking through the list of names and i found felipe armas and leonarda lozano so from that point on how do i find their record of marriage without going page by page?
Do like Patty said. The dates are in order a majority of the time, although
it isn't always the case. Since you are looking for 13 May 1879 in film
226734 and corresponds with 1874-1880 per the library catalog of Nochistlán
http://goo.gl/CRG21 then I know you are in the right book. Since 1880 is
the last year in the book the record you are looking for should be towards
the end of that book. Since there 449 images in the book the record I went
to image 300. The first record is for quince de Enero de mil ochocientos
setenta y nueve. So now I know it is only a four months until I get to May
so I jumped to 310. That has 18 de Febrero de mil ochocientos. Based on the
two previous records and their image number I assume each 10 images is a
period of one month for this book. So then I went to image 330. It is for
seis de Junio de mil ochocientos setenta y nueve. That means I went too far
after all. So going back 10 images to 320 it says treinta de Abril. So now
I know I have to go a few
Gracias Armado!, That is exactly what I meant
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Armando wrote:
> Do like Patty said. The dates are in order a majority of the time, although
> it isn't always the case. Since you are looking for 13 May 1879 in film
> 226734 and corresponds with 1874-1880 per the library catalog of Nochistlán
> http://goo.gl/CRG21 then I know you are in the right book. Since 1880 is
> the last year in the book the record you are looking for should be towards
> the end of that book. Since there 449 images in the book the record I went
> to image 300. The first record is for quince de Enero de mil ochocientos
> setenta y nueve. So now I know it is only a four months until I get to May
> so I jumped to 310. That has 18 de Febrero de mil ochocientos. Based on the
> two previous records and their image number I assume each 10 images is a
> period of one month for this book. So then I went to image 330. It is for
> seis de Junio de mil ochocientos setenta y nueve. That means
Abram Flores
omg thank you guys so much i found it, it was on page 322 hopefully i understand this cursive writing.
I can transcribe some of that for you especially since this one is so hard
to read.
En la iglesia parroquial de Nochistlán en trece de Mayo de mil ochocientos
setenta y nueve yo el Presbitero Don Rafael G[ómez] Portugal
teniente de Cura ? licenti de Parrochi casé y velé infacie eccletie a
Felipe Armas, soltero, de veintiun años de edad, originario
y vecino de La Jabonera de esta feligresía hijo legitimo de Antonio Armas
finado y de Bernarda Juarez que vive con
Leonarda Losano, celibe, de veinte años de edad originaria y vecina del
mismo puesto hija legitima de
Serbulo Losano y de Luisa Durán que viven dispensados por el ? por el
impedimento de consanguinidad
en cuarto grado igual como ? el decreto ? al frente de esta partida ? los ?
cesarie y las diligencias que prescribe el Santo Concilio de Trento, ?
amonestaciones leidos inter misarum solemnia
en tres dias festivos que lo fueron el veintisiete de Abril, cuatro y once
de Mayo de las que no resultó impedimento
alguno, aun pasado el
I have a great grandfather Francisco Acosta, born in Gomez, Zac 1818 (died 1882 in Monte Escobedo, Zac) He married Maria Ysabel Ruedas, born in San Ramon, Zac 1826, (died 1891 in Laborcita) They marri
Jose,
It was oh so very common to re-marry a very young girl after he was widowed. I
can't tell you how many records I've com across where the man is widowed, is
over 40 and he marries a girl in her teens and is having children into his 60's.
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif
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Jesus Acosta
I have a great grandfather Francisco Acosta, born in Gomez, Zac 1818 (died 1882
in Monte Escobedo, Zac) He married Maria Ysabel Ruedas, born in San Ramon, Zac
1826, (died 1891 in Laborcita) They married in Monte Escobedo Zac in 1847.
They had a son Jesus Acosta born in 1854 in Monte Escobedo and died in 1940
there also. I heard thru family members that he married Maria Cleofas Minjarez
in 1875 in Monte Escobedo.
But I was looking thru Baptismal records and found another Jesus
Yes, it's the same Jesus Acosta married to Margarita Sanchez daughter of Esteban Sanchez and Tomasa Ruedas. They had a daughter named Margarita Acosta she was a Catholic Nun who passed away in 2001 in Guadalajara.
My ancestor was father to two children starting at age 72 with a 35 year old
second wife.. he did put he was 52 on his marriage information but that was not
correct, he was 72 in district of Jerez Zacatecas. nothing was impossible!
Linda Castanon-Long
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Francisco Acosta and Maria Ysebel Ruedas and son(s)
Jesus Acosta
I have a great grandfather Francisco Acosta, born in Gomez, Zac 1818 (died 1882
in Monte Escobedo, Zac) He married Maria Ysabel Ruedas, born in San Ramon, Zac
1826, (died 1891 in Laborcita) They married in Monte Escobedo Zac in 1847.
They had a son Jesus Acosta born in 1854 in Monte Escobedo and died in 1940
there also. I heard thru family members that he married Maria Cleofas Minjarez
in 1875 in Monte Escobedo.
But I was looking thru Baptismal records and found another Jesus Acosta with
another
I like Linda agree our Mendez line back until 1650 had kids very old, each generation started having kids around 40.
Though not too common to begin having kids at that age nothing is impossible in the world of genealogy.
My father 42 when I was born and his father was 51 when my father was born (he was the oldest of 14 kids).
Daniel Méndez Camino
I was 44 when my one and only daughter was born. My father had children into his late 50's.
R A Ricci
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son(s) Jesus Acosta
I like Linda agree our Mendez line back until 1650 had kids very old, each generation started having kids around 40.
Though not too common to begin having kids at that age nothing is impossible in the world of genealogy.
My father 42 when I was born and his father was 51 when my father was born (he was the oldest of 14 kids).
Daniel Méndez Camino
LOL..i think my parents are still having kids in Heaven..family of 13 !!!..Raul Luna
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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 10:51 PM
My ancestor was father to two children starting at age 72 with a 35 year old
second wife.. he did put he was 52 on his marriage information but that was not
correct, he was 72 in district of Jerez Zacatecas. nothing was impossible!
Linda Castanon-Long
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Jesus Acosta
I have a great grandfather Francisco Acosta, born in Gomez, Zac 1818 (died 1882
in Monte Escobedo, Zac) He married Maria Ysabel Ruedas, born in San Ramon, Zac
1826, (died
Posted today at www.guadalajaradispensas.com
Now posted: 1694-1796 FHL Source Film 167991
Nuevo archivo: 1694-1796 rollo OAH 2353
Hello Nuestros Rancheros,
Hi Monica,
We all reach stalemates in our research. Some take years, hard work and perserverance and lots of patience. What I would do is continue researching your lines, if you can continue to advance on others, stick with those and resume with other lines. Somtimes, I find researching other lines in the same area, might give clues or hints on other lines. It can become difficult when everyone stays around the same general area. What I hate the most is having to back to the same film and review it a second time, so I started to extract microfilm of all spaniards, since about 98% of my lines are Spanish. I have a couple of mestizo, mulato, black, and native american lines. That way when I do advance I can easily check for Spanish and has been working so far. I do not know if I would recommend this method for you, since it is time consuming, but well worth it. I have been called a serious, but a crazy researcher.
In my family tree, there exists all ends of the spectrum, some were
Hello Daniel,
I use many different resources for research in (diciphering barely legible writting) and have produced many results on maternal side (espanoles de Jalisco y Aguascalientes) going back more than 7 generations (which has taken me 10+ years to compile) However on my fathers side (indios/mestisos, de Guanajuato) I keep hitting a wall. I know you are right and I must just be patient, research another branch, and revisit this search periodically. I suppose I am being impatient from years of researching my paternal ancestry to no avail, I was looking for a short cut but I will follow your advise and encouragement and persevere through the difficulty.
Thanks again so much!
Monica Ochoa
Monica,
I would suggest, being patient and review what you have already done. Plus make sure that for every event you have checked every resource for it. Such as a birth (have you checked both the civil register and the Parish records), Marriage (have you checked the Civil and parish records again, also have you checked both the marriage record and the marriage presentation). And make sure that you research every child and sibling in each family.
It took me, about ten years to find my wife's great-grandfather. And I finally found him while I was looking for the death record of one of his children.
So just be patient and through. And if you still would like to consult with a professional, I can give you the names of some researchers, or I can take a look at your family and give you some suggestions on where to research.
Also, it doesn't matter if the family was poor or well off. You can usually take any family line back several generations.
Jonathan Walker
Monica, Jonathan is correct, sometimes you will find information where you least expect it.. I had a Mulato ancestor who's mother was a slave and listed only as Maria Gertrudis on his records.. down the line I found a record where he and his mother were godparents and it listed his mother's last name. I never would have found it if I had not researched every one with the Rolon last name in that time period.. The ancestors will be found just have patience and don't overlook the strangest places for information.
Linda in Everett.
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Monica,
I would suggest, being patient and review what you have already done. Plus make sure that for every event you have checked every resource for it. Such as a birth (have you checked both the civil register and the Parish
Monica,
I agree with Jonathan and Erlinda,
Genealogical research takes lots of hard work and patience and with the hard work come the surprises. You don't know where your ancestors will turn up. It doesn't matter if they were poor or rich, they all hide in different places. Keep plugging along, listen to the words of wisdom and encouragement of experienced researchers and follow your instincts. That's why it's so important to do your own research. By way of your own research you develop a sense for the tracks that lead you to where your ancestors may be hiding. Not saying don't hire a professional, just saying that by doing so, it prevents you from knowing the region your researching, the extended familia that could lead you to your roots and the joy of finding that elusive long lost ancestor.
Happy hunting!
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 1:49 PM
Subject: Re:
Thank you Jonathan & Alicia,
I appreciate your encouragement and advice. I suppose I just needed some reassurance from those who have had the same challenge. I have been reasearching my tree from the time I was a child and though I have made huge steps on my maternal side the paternal branches have all but dried up, despite my persistence. Which is why I have considered that perhaps I NEED a professional, BUT you are right there is more satisfaction in the journey, reading, researching and "playing detective" so to speak does give me the feeling of connection with my past family. I have learned so much about my ancestors, their culture and my own roots in the process that it would almost be sacrilege to do it any other way.
Thanks!
Monica Ochoa
Hola estimados compañeros:
No he tenido mucha suerte en la línea de Autlán de mi abuela materna, me gustaría saber si alguno de ustedes tuviera información acerca de las siguientes familias:
Hola,
Hi Monica,
21 de septiembre de 1839 – Aguascalientes
En la Santa Yglesia parroquial de Aguascalientes a 21 de septiembre de 1839. Yo, el cura vicario [latin] cura de limosna en el campo Santo de San Marcos a María Calletana Espinosa, casada con Cecilio Barrientos de quarenta años de edad hija legítima de Rafael Espinosa y María Francisca González. Que murió el día anterior a las onse de la noche en el Barrio de Guadalupe de fiebre escarlatina, le confesó. En fe de ello lo firmé.
[Rúbrica] Dr. José Ygnacio Pérez.
This record states that the burial took place on 21 Sep 1839 in Aguascalientes. The officiator was Dr. José Ignacio Pérez who sounds like the parish priest for limosna or those who could not afford the full funeral service, which usually was done free of charge or someone else took the debt. María Cayetana Espinosa was 40 years of age married to Cecilio Barrientos and was the legitimate daughter of Rafael Espinosa and María Francisca González. She actually died the
She died at 11pm.
Thank you for the translation. I appreciate it!
This death certificate brings more questions that maybe you could help me with. As it reads "de 40 anos". This man my 3x great-grandfather was married several times I am evaluating all of his marriage, children's baptismal, death etc. in search of relevant details as I have not located his birth or death certificates. This marriage certificate Cayetana (Calletana) and Cecilio states he was 22 and she 14 in May of 1834.
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12398-260229-50?cc=1410092… & https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13200-108577-7?cc=1410092&…)
Could this be a discrepancy in the record, or am I mistaken is my research somehow? What do you think? (Other than this detail the information matches and I am just a bit confused.)
Best regards
Monica Ochoa
Hello everyone,
I need some assistance please. If anyone is researching Tepechitlan, Tlatenango or El Teul, Zacatecas I am hoping you could help.
Edward,
I would say that "TAPIA María DE, mujer de FRANCISCO DE LUNA, español,
vecinos del pueblo de Tlaltenango, donde murió la susodicha el 17 de octubre
de 1637" refers to the death of Maria Tapia.
-Angelina-
Help here wanted to know some of the people with surename Jauregui or Armas that lived in La Jabonera Nochistlan Zacatecas in the year 1850-1900
Abram
I've been looking into your research topic a bit, and I've discovered that the family of Margarito Armas and Macedonia Jauregui is listed in the 1930 Census for La Jabonera.
What makes it hard to find, is that it is indexed, incorrectly, under the name "Margarito Arenas." Everywhere in the extract below where it says "Arenas" should actually be "Armas." I think the image is actually pretty easy to read, but it was clearly mis-read.
The is what the index has:
Name: Masedonia Jauregui
Head of Household: Margarito Arenas
Age: 40a
Residence: La Jabonera, Nochistlán, Zacatecas, Mexico
Estimated Birth Year: 1890
Birthplace: Zacatecas
Gender: Female
Sexo: Mujer
Civil Status: Married both Civilly and in the Church
Marital Status (Spanish): Casado por lo Civil y la Iglesia
Film Number: 1520536
Digital Folder Number: 4108037
Image Number: 00073
Page Number: 140
Line Number:
Household Gender Age
Margarito Arenas M 45a
Masedonia Jauregui F 40a
Maria Arenas F
Abram Flores
You think so when i first looked into that record i was petty sure that wasn't right because his last name is armas not arenas and i saw there signature in the 1930 census
some of the names look like arenas and some didn't so im really confused right now.
Abram Flores
Oh and my g grandfather wasn't shown in the census mauricio armas which was one of margarito's son.?
Abram
According to one of your earlier postings, Mauricio was married in the 1914/17 period, which suggests that he had his own household by this time, thus he would not necessarily be ennumerated in this household. This is actually confirmed in the 1930 Census for La Jabonera which shows his family with Visenta Munoz, and your grandfather J. Candelario Armas as the youngest in the family.
I did a search in Family Search for 'Mauricio Armas' by simply typing in his name and a person indexed as 'Mauricio Armas-Jaureg' comes up in the social security death index. He died in 1987, and was born 22 Sep 1905, but it didn't say where he was born. On a hunch, I thought he could be your gr-grandfather, thinking the name was truncated in the SSDI, and looked in the Nochistlan civil birth records. He is there, and the record names parents, Margarito Armas/Macedonia Jauregui, and all four grandparents Felipe Armas/Leonarda Lozano and Encarnacion Jauregui/Francisca Gonzales.
The Nochistlan
Abram Flores
Thank you so much george for all this info.Can you give me the link where you found the civil birth records please?
Abram
You're welcome!
I had intended to put in the url ... here it is
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-22264-28563-57?cc=1916240…
The record actually begins at the very bottom of the previous page.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Abram Flores Is it the one that say numero 734 and in the bottom says nochistlan on page 642?i can hardly read cursive writing sorry.
Abram
It is #740.
The main part of the record is on the link I sent (beginning at the top left page). The record begins at the very bottom of the previous page.
The records are all run together; but they all begin "En la ciudad ..."
The handwriting can be a bit hard at first, but the more you work with the documents, the easier it gets.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Abram Flores
Do you know where i can find jose encarnacion jauregui birth record or anything where i can reach his parents?or fransisca gonzalez birth record?
Hi Abram,
Based on the information that has been gathered thus far, I have a couple of finds. It looks like the two marriage dates, might have been one for the actual marriage and the second could be when they were veiled. I would suggest you look these up at www.familysearch.org under the Mexico Catholic Records Section for Zacatecas and Jalisco Catholic Records in order to advance. Other than that I belive your line has reached around 1825 over night. I find the period between 1850-present day, you really need to ask living members, find the information that you need. Once you reach pre-1850 you can usually find clues on familysearch. Always double check sources, something I am going back to make sure all is well. I wish you the best of luck in the exciting world of genealogy.
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino
JOSE DOLORES JAUREGUI GONZALEZ
Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
12 NOV 1873
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco
Sorry the last message was a bit weird. Here is the information in a more concise manner.
groom's name:
Felipe Armas
bride's name:
Leonarda Lozano
marriage date:
13 May 1879
marriage place:
Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60626-5
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
226734
groom's name:
Jose Encarnacion Jauregui
bride's name:
Francisca Gonzalez
marriage date:
31 Oct 1882
marriage place:
Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60626-6
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
226735
groom's name:
Jose Encarnacion Jauregui
bride's name:
Francisca Gonzalez
marriage date:
25 Jan 1883
marriage place:
Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60626-7
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
226736
JOSE DOLORES JAUREGUI GONZALEZ
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
12 NOV 1873
Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
Father:
Joseph Puentes
I sent to my folder a summary of the many Huizar families in Colotlan, Jal., Mex.
Saludos Dr. Huizar,
Para clarificacion al grupo su carpeta de archivos esta aqui para que todos
pueden ver:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/beutelsp
Angie Godina es persona con mucha informacion de la familia Huizar en
Colotlan y otras areas alrededor.
Joseph
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Joseph Puentes
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> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Dr moisés
> Beutelspacher
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 3:37 AM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Huizar Families in Colotlan 1718 - 1877
>
>
> Joseph Puentes
> I sent to my folder a summary of the many Huizar families in Colotlan,
> Jal., Mex. from 1718 - 1877I hope this will help to search interested
> in the Huizar name to easy find the roots and ties between this
> family.I want to search in other towns
Hola a todos:
Y sobre los Garcia de Alba:
Clara Garcia de Alba nacio 11 de octubre de 1712 en tecolotlan, hija de
Fernando Garcia de Alba y Ortega nacido 25 de Abr de 1671 en tecolotlan y
Clara Guzman
Fernando Garcia de Alba hijo de Francisco Garcia de Alba y Ruiz y Maria
Clara Casilda Ortega y Maldonado
Hasta ahi llego, espero que te sirva la info
2011/12/12
> Hola a todos:
>
> Hoy por la noche, he estado investigando la rama de mis antepasados Juan
> de Cobián Velasco Vázquez (también citado como Cobián Velasco Covarrubias)
> y Lorenza de Villaseñor (quién aparece con dicho apellido en todas las
> actas de bautismo de sus hijos, pero en un estudio que mi tío Gabriel Agraz
> hizo de los García de Alba, la cita como Lorenza Molinedo Santa Cruz y
> Villaseñor). Ellos debieron haber casado en Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco
> antes de Febrero de 1692 pero he buscado el acta matrimonial y en Tamazula,
> hay muy pocas actas de matrimonio en esos años y en ninguna de ellas se
> encuentra. Algo que me
Hola Patty:
¿No tendrás idea quien son los padre de Clara Pérez de Guzmán?
Daniel Méndez Camino
Hola Primo,
He estado un poco alejada de la genealógia, pero sigo leyendo los correos
de nuestros ranchos y casualmente tengo el dato que necesitas,o o por lo
menos te puede ayudar, creo que estas buscando en la parroquia equivocada,
ya que .
Antonio Cobian se casó con Clara Garcia de Alba y Guzmán el 14 de febrero
de 1733 en *Ejutla*
*
*
Asi que te invito a revisar los libros de aquella parroquia, estan muy
bonitos y lo mas importante, tienen indices!!! estoy segura que encontrarás
a muchos registros de tu interés, yo encontré muchos de los Michel y los
Cobian*.*
*
*
*Saludos y Feliz año
*
2011/12/12
> Hola a todos:
>
> Hoy por la noche, he estado investigando la rama de mis antepasados Juan
> de Cobián Velasco Vázquez (también citado como Cobián Velasco Covarrubias)
> y Lorenza de Villaseñor (quién aparece con dicho apellido en todas las
> actas de bautismo de sus hijos, pero en un estudio que mi tío Gabriel Agraz
> hizo de los García de Alba, la cita como Lorenza Molinedo Santa
Estimado Enrique,
Te agradezco en la aportación de estos datos valiosos. La familia de mi abuelo Méndez de Torres eran de Zamora donde pasaron a Tamazula de Gordiano y mi padre nació en Guadalajara y es pariente de varias familias ya mencionadas. Desciendo de José de Figueroa hijo de Felipe de Figueroa y Gertrudis de Vargas casados 9 de noviembre de 1694 en Zapotlán. José era hermana de Juana María de Figueroa mujer de Joaquín Cobián casados en dicho pueblo el 2 de marzo de 1745. Ya como mencionastes Joaquín era hijo de Juan de Cobián y Lorenza del Rincón Villaseñor.
No he visto Juan de Cobián citado como Velasco ni Vázquez o Lorenza como Molinedo ni Santa Cruz, pero si sé que tu tío era un hombre de razón en sus investigaciones, lo cual me dice que sea posible.
No sé si esta familia sea vinculada con nuestros Velasco en esa región pero Joseph Manuel Cobián casó a Isabel de Silva Montenegro el 20 de julio de 1726 en Zapotlán, esta era hija de Juan de Silva Montenegro y Isabel
Hola Daniel:
Debo decir que cometí un grande error, porque ahora que ví tu comentario, volví a checar el estudio de mi tío y efectivamente no está como Molinedo Santa Cruz. Regularmente siempre paso la información tal y como está en el libro pero ya ví de donde surgió este nombre. En el acta de matrimonio de Juana María Cobián con Jacinto de Covarrubias es donde viene como Lorenza de Santa Cruz y creo haber visto otra con Molinedo Santa Cruz Villaseñor. Ya chequé el acta que mencionaste, donde aparece como Rincón y eso me convenció para deducir que es hija de los padres que tu citas.
Ahora que tocamos el tema, en mi otra línea de Villaseñor tengo a Antonio Munguía muy probable hijo de Hernando de Munguía y de Isabel de Velasco con María de Villaseñor y Molinedo (aquí vuelve otra vez el Molinedo), aquí los padrinos ofrecen más pistas pero no he podido seguir la línea. Ellos bautizaron a todos sus hijos en Angamacutiro de la Unión, Michoacán.
Los padrinos del primer hijo, José, son
Mis primos descienden de una nieta de juan manuel Cobian y Isabel SilvA Zuniga. la nieta, Ma Feliciana Barragan Cobian se caso en 1779 en Jalisco
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Hola a todos:
Hoy por la noche, he estado investigando la rama de mis antepasados Juan de Cobián Velasco Vázquez (también citado como Cobián Velasco Covarrubias) y Lorenza de Villaseñor (quién aparece con dicho apellido en todas las actas de bautismo de sus hijos, pero en un estudio que mi tío Gabriel Agraz hizo de los García de Alba, la cita como Lorenza Molinedo Santa Cruz y Villaseñor). Ellos debieron haber casado en Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco antes de Febrero de 1692 pero he buscado el acta matrimonial y en Tamazula, hay muy pocas
Hola R. A. Ricci:
Fíjate que el dato de la primera esposa de Juan Manuel no lo tenía, como mencioné, después casó con María Teresa Valencia. Entonces, ¿Tampoco han podido tu o tus primos trazar más allá esta línea?
Gracias por el dato.
Aprovechando este mensaje, estuve revisando otras actas de bautismo:
1. Los padrinos de Antonio bautizado en 1705 fueron Bartolomé Nieto y Zozoaga y María de Villaseñor.
2. Los padrinos de Joaquín bautizado en 1708 fueron Manuel de Alcarazo y Juana Jiménez.
3. Encontré el acta de otro hijo Juan de Cobián y Villaseñor, bautizado el 2 de Septiembre de 1710 en Zapotiltic.
Revisando de nuevo mi árbol me fijé que tengo otra línea también de Villaseñor que me viene por la esposa de Gaspar Miguel de Covarrubias y Michel de Betancourt (de quién no tengo a sus padres, pero pienso que ha de ser hijo de una hermana de Juana Michel Betancourt que estuvo casada con Fernando González Corona, ambos también mis antepasados), ella se llamaba María Teresa Munguía y
Where can i get this book?
This book is no longer in print.
Using Worldcat, http://www.worldcat.org/, you may be able to find it in a library near where you live.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
I have been researching the last name "Rubio" and I have come up with the following information:
Posted today at www.guadalajaradispensas.com
Now posted: 1701-1707 FHL Source Film 168043
Nuevo archivo: 1701-1707 rollo OAH 2336 pt1
What happened to the haciendas? What happened to the people? Where did they go?
Were the haciendas taken over by the government? Who owned the haciendas?
Armando,
Thank you so much for the information and map sites. These places are mentioned in nearly all of the entries we search and it is wonderful to see where they are located. Do you have any idea the location of "La Estancilla", y "La Morenique" of Lope Ruis de Esparsa and Dona Francisca Gabai?
Thank you,
Deedra Corona
La Morcinique is the correct spelling for La Morenique which might be what
is now called Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique
http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/temas/turismo/atractivos/exhaciendas/h…
There is an article on this one at
http://www.colmich.edu.mx/files/relaciones/021/pdf/JesusGomezSerrano.pdf
I have not been able to find anything that states that Hacienda Nueva de
Morcinique is the same one that was owned by Lope Ruiz de Esparza. I
suspect that they are one and the same though.
I can't find anything on La Estancilla at all. The word estancia is
synonymous with hacienda and there were a lot of places that were called La
Estancia and a few called La Estanzuela. Where specifically have you seen
"La Estancilla" mentioned?
Armando
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:52 PM, wrote:
> Armando,
> Thank you so much for the information and map sites. These places are
> mentioned in nearly all of the entries we search and it is wonderful to see
> where they are located. Do you have
Many thanks!!!
MG
In a message dated 1/3/2012 5:34:05 P.M. Central Standard Time,
fandemma@gmail.com writes:
Many ranchos and haciendas still exist. Some changed names and/or were
broken up for the inheritence of the children. During the agrarian reform
after the revolution some of the land was given to the workers as ejidos.
A map of some of the ex-haciendas of Aguascalientes can he found here
http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/temas/turismo/atractivos/exhaciendas/
Infornation about Ex-hacienda Agostaderito can be found under the previous
link -
http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/temas/turismo/atractivos/exhaciendas/h…
ostaderito.aspx
You can see the location of Agostaderito in google maps also -
http://goo.gl/MeRCs
I think Pilotes is actually Pilotos. Hacienda Pilotos is mentioned here
http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/temas/turismo/atractivos/exhaciendas/h…
lotos.aspx
Armando
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM, wrote:
> Did I mess up? The haciendas war
Did I mess up? The haciendas war Agostederito and Pilotes in
Aguascalientes, Mexico
In a message dated 1/3/2012 3:21:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,
MMG8938@aol.com writes:
What happened to the haciendas? What happened to the people? Where did
they go?
Were the haciendas taken over by the government? Who owned the haciendas?
There is a great 1839 church census in the area that includes many ranches.
I am working on the Nieto family of the area. They lived on the ranch by
the name of 'Los Bacieros'.
Many ranchos and haciendas still exist. Some changed names and/or were
broken up for the inheritence of the children. During the agrarian reform
after the revolution some of the land was given to the workers as ejidos.
A map of some of the ex-haciendas of Aguascalientes can he found here
http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/temas/turismo/atractivos/exhaciendas/
Infornation about Ex-hacienda Agostaderito can be found under the previous
link -
http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/temas/turismo/atractivos/exhaciendas/h…
You can see the location of Agostaderito in google maps also -
http://goo.gl/MeRCs
I think Pilotes is actually Pilotos. Hacienda Pilotos is mentioned here
http://www.aguascalientes.gob.mx/temas/turismo/atractivos/exhaciendas/h…
Armando
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM, wrote:
> Did I mess up? The haciendas war Agostederito and Pilotes in
> Aguascalientes, Mexico
>
>
> In a message dated 1/3/2012 3:21:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> MMG8938
• La UNAM (Universidad Autónoma de México) ha puesto a disposición del público la consulta abierta y gratuita de millones de documentos, escritos y audiovisuales, incluyendo su hemeroteca, a tra
Maravilloso! Apenas le estoy dando una ojeada a los periodicos del siglo 18 de Jalisco. Gracias por la noticia!
Veronica
Info about this individual his my great grandpa born in La Jabonera Nochistlan Zacatecas born around 1850-1880
Posted today at www.guadalajaradispensas.com
Now posted: 1635-1692 FHL Source Film 167971
Nuevo archivo: 1635-1692 rollo OAH 3241 pt1
Quisiera me informaran la forma de ver las dispensas matrimoniales de Guadalajara de 1635-1692.
Gracias de antemano.
Hola Amanda,
Cada vez que veas un post de www.guadalajaradispensas.com, solo tienes que oprimir (hace click) en el enlace arriba del post.
Por ejemplo, para ver el indice de nombres de parejas en los an~os indicados 1635-1692 en http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/2012/01/1635-1692-fhl-source-film-1…
Veras lo siguiente al principio de la pagina (inmediatamente despues del titulo debajo de la fecha):
Mexico Genealogy
Genealogical Information - Catholic Church Records
Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara
Marriage Dispensations in Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
former Province of New Galicia / Nueva Galicia in the Spanish Colonies
Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah, USA.
*Source film: 167971* - oprime aqui y te llevara directamente a la pagina de Familysearch.org endonde se encuentran los documentos indicados en el "post" de guadalajaradispensas.com. Si ves en el "post" los nombres de alguna pareja que te interese, en la casilla de "Image [casilla] of 366" - alli le
Mi agradedimiento a la familia NUESTROS RANCHOS que me aportaron valiosa
informacion de
Alejandro Preciado y Josefa Garcia de Alba (Tecolotlan)
La informacion que recibi dice: nacieron y casaron
Hola que tal. Parece que ya tiene tiempo que escriste este mensaje. Apenas ayer lo lei mientras miraba mensajes viejos, y posiblemente ya recibiste respuesta a tu pregunta sobre donde se encuentra la barranca de Otates. Como sea, te contesto esperando que te sirva de algo en tu busqueda.
Precisamente, Otates esta cerca del area de Villa Corona y Cocula, pero mas al sur. Mas exactamente la barranca de Otates se encuentra alrededor de 11 kilometros o 7 millas al noroeste de la poblacion de Zacoalco de Torres, que es en donde se enfoca mi investigacion. Son tres las poblaciones que estan en esa direccion: Barranca de Otates, Barranca de Santa Clara, y Barranca de los Laureles. No se si te encuentres en Mexico o en los Estados Unidos, pero si estas buscando direcciones de como llegar al lugar, puedes llegar por medio de un crucero que esta por la carretera libre Guadalajara-Colima. Viniendo de Zacoalco, vas a pasar la entrada de la poblacion de Benito Juares (primer barrio de Santa
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From: Steve Apodaca
To: "announce@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Solicito su ayuda para rectificar datos que se me han proporcionado
Hola que tal. Parece que ya tiene tiempo que escriste este mensaje. Apenas ayer lo lei mientras miraba mensajes viejos, y posiblemente ya recibiste respuesta a tu pregunta sobre donde se encuentra la barranca de Otates. Como sea, te contesto esperando que te sirva de algo en tu busqueda.
Precisamente, Otates esta cerca del area de Villa Corona y Cocula, pero mas al sur. Mas exactamente la barranca de Otates se encuentra alrededor de 11 kilometros o 7 millas al noroeste de la poblacion de Zacoalco de Torres, que es en donde se enfoca mi investigacion. Son tres las poblaciones que estan en esa direccion: Barranca de Otates, Barranca de Santa Clara, y Barranca de los Laureles. No se si te encuentres en Mexico o en los Estados Unidos, pero si estas buscando
Lucio