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Jalpa, Zac

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Amelia,

I sent you an e-mail last week. I can help you with all your names below. Call me.

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> Searching for my father's family in Jalpa. Surnames: Macias, Tostado, Luna,

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Published by Welester – Wed, 2008-10-01 19:45 | Permalink

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Hi there Ruben

Can I stick my nose in here and see if you can help me with any info on the Alvarados . In particular if they travelled northward on the Ruta de Plata ending up in Coahuila or Nuevo Leon .

Welester G. Alvarado > Amelia,> > I sent you an e-mail last week. I can help you with all your names below. Call me.> > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: roots > > > > > Searching for my father's family in Jalpa. Surnames: Macias, Tostado, Luna, > > Alvarado and Marin. Thanks! >
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tomas villalobos-olivar

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Thanks Letricia, I will look in the 1930 Mexico census for relatives. I am not having much luck making the right connections with either of my family lines ( Villalobos or Olivars) maybe I am looking in the wrong place.

Agreed

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I agree with you Claudia.  Oral history is important and can be an absolute genealogical goldmine of information.  Without the little "leads" that my grandparents gave me I'm not sure I would have done as well as I have in my search.  While the search of my Spanish/French/Mexican roots on my grandfather's side has been slow going I've gained so many new cousins on my U.S. born "southerner" grandmother's side.  After I traced it backwards - and the oral history proved to be a checking point for the records I pulled - to the 1500s I then traced it forward and found lots of new cousins...Cousins I have been able to share photographs both old family photos from the 1800s & 1900s and current ones.  It was imazing to be able to see a photograph of my grandmother's great grandmother! And to find grandchildren, great grandchildren & great great grandchildren of my grandmother's long lost aunt.  Oral histoy is what ignited my search and helped send me

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Published by Karr_Wolfe – Wed, 2008-10-01 17:45 | Permalink

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I haven't been able to cross paths with many of my fellow genealogists in
NuestrosRanchos concerning my family, the Romo de Vivar branch in
Encarnacion and Tepatitlan, Lagos de Moreno and Aguascalientes. But I have
to put in my 2 cents. I have nearly 100-year-old relatives in Guadalajara
who have faulty recollections of the family history. But their memories are
chock full of information and have helped me sort out the family, even
though our family lore had a grandfather with the wrong family last name.
That garbled information allowed me to discover that Nestor was not a Romo,
but was indeed a grandparent on the distaff side, with another last name.
Oral history is critically important when you are researching family names
as common as Romo, because tiny details can help differentiate one family
branch from another. Agreed, they shouldn't become "facts" in the sense of
genealogic research, but they are invaluable clues in our search for truth.

Karr Wolfe Romo (de Vivar)

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La Barca Jalisco - Castañeda, Cerda, Briseño, Pantoja

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Hola a todos, soy nuevo en el grupo y estoy investigando a mis ancestros que vivieron en La Barca, Jalisco

La información que he logrado recopilar se encuentra publicada en http:/castanedadelreal.myheritage.com; de momento la información con la que cuento esta basada solamente en información verbal y en consultas en la base de datos de FamilySearch.

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Published by Patricia_Burton – Wed, 2008-10-01 13:15 | Permalink

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Wednesday, October 1, 2008

Canito--

Una pregunta--donde vive? Si esta cerca de una "Family History Center" puede buscar estas nombres y fechas.

Yo estoy en San Diego pero si conozco a La Barca. Unos nombres de mi esposo son de La Barca pero en otros siglos.

Talvez algo que puede usar es el Censo de 1930. De su casa puede usar este...http://www.familysearchlabs.org/

Despues hablamos.

Sinceremente--
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.
y Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco

--- On Wed, 10/1/08, Canito wrote:

> From: Canito
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] La Barca Jalisco - Castañeda, Cerda, Briseño, Pantoja
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 12:36 PM
> Hola a todos, soy nuevo en el grupo y estoy investigando a
> mis ancestros que vivieron en La Barca, Jalisco
>
> La información que he logrado recopilar se encuentra
> publicada en http:/castanedadelreal.myheritage.com; de
> momento la información con la que cuento esta basada
> solamente en

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Hola Patricia

Gracias por tus comentarios, en realidad mucha de la informacion que tengo fue obtenida utilizando los recursos de FamilySearch, sin embargo mucha de la informacion no esta indexada.

En realidad vivo muy cerca de un Family Center History, desgraciadamente mi horario de trabajo me hace imposible consultarlo; mi intención es recolectar toda la información posible mediante internet y después solicitar unos dias de vacaciones para reforzar mi investigación con documentos de Family Center History y de la Mitra de Guadalajara.

Actualmente estoy digitalizando documentos (actas de nacimiento, fe de bautizmo, actas de matrimonio) de mis familiares vivos y me preguntaba si sería posible obtener copias digitales de la información encontrada en los Centros de Historia.

Need help

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This goes to anyone that can help me help someone else .

Some of you may know or have heard of the famous Sisters ( Nuns ) who are the caretakers of just about all the really old books from the state of Nuevo Leon , Mexico .

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Published by siriuslr – Sat, 2008-09-27 12:45 | Permalink

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Welester, please contact me with the sisters and I want to help them, maybe I´m not an expert but I give all the information can be prooved in the registers... my e-mail siriuslr@hotmail.com I'm not an Historian but I have time to looking for and 8 years of experience..Could you send to me the names and places..dates.. please Leticia Reynoso.
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Hola Leticia ,

Thanks for the help , the truth is that Hermana Rosario does not use the internet she is at the archivos every week Tuesday to Thursday from 9:30 am to 1:30 and the rest of the time she is doing what the church tells her to do .

She has very little information on both her mother and fathers side . I did some look ups for her these pass few days and found her grandparents . Let me show you what I found in Cienega de Mata , Ojuelos , Jalisco

Guadalupe Urzua her father

Jesus Urzua and Petra Lopez her parents they married on 14 Nov 1883 in Cienega de Mata , Ojuelos Jalisco

Vidal Urzua and Agapita de la Cruz her grandparents

Bacilio Lopez and Casimira Rangel parents of Petra Lopez

She has no marraige records for her grandfather or her great grandfather .

She has no records of any kind for Petras parents .

Any info will be appreciated . Herer is Hermanas phone number the archivos :

In Monterrey , Mexico : 11 58 25 75

Welester

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Chumasero - Does anyone have any information onthis la...

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Wow, I googled it and got many hits. Thanks....perhaps it was misspelled.

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Wishful thinking Vs. Reality

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I glanced at the entries regarding the whole Thomas Edison debate and I couldn't go to bed without imparting my two cents.

I think that in this day and age--and with the information available to us--we must stop perpetrating unproved myths and folklore. At the very minimum for the sake of the credibility of our own hard work and efforts in researching our past.

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Published by MBLOPEZ – Tue, 2008-09-30 18:15 | Permalink

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Claudia,
To you I say "BRAVO". I am in complete concert with your entire post and it is past  time someone said what you have said. I can go weeks without checking Nuestros (such as now) and when I come back I can count on reading more claims of nobility, hacendados, royalty, sangre pura, or conversely, direct decendency from Aztec chieftans.  My all time favorite is the posting by the "fantasma" who claims he has traced his genealogy " all the way back to Adam and Eve"!
MIchael Bravo

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From: Claudia_Reynoso
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Wishful thinking Vs. Reality
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 12:18 AM

I glanced at the entries regarding the whole Thomas Edison debate and I
couldn't go to bed without imparting my two cents.

I think that in this day and age--and with the information available to us--we
must stop perpetrating unproved myths and folklore. At the very minimum for the
sake of the

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Chumasero - Does anyone have any information on this last name?

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I can't seem to find anyone alive with this last name. This was my
greatgrandmother's maiden name.

Thanks

Mercedes

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Published by meef98367 – Tue, 2008-09-30 15:15 | Permalink

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I think this name is Portuguese, and there is one Luis Chumaseiro in Mexico. He belongs to the Yahoo Group "unicom99", a university group. You have to sign up for Yahoo Groups in order to join this group and contact him.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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I can't seem to find anyone alive with this last name. This was my
greatgrandmother's maiden name.

Thanks

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Macias / Macías in Jalisco

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Hello everyone, my name is José Luis Macías and I am looking for relatives, lots of them! I am drawn to this website, probably for the same reason you all are; I am trying to find out where I come from and in the process bridge the gap between the Macias' that are scattered out there. I’m just starting out on my investigation and so far my attempts to locate family or find out more about my past have been unsuccessful, so all advice is very welcome! I am trying to get a hold of my grandparent’s birth and marriage certificates which means that soon I will have more accurate information to post. For now, this is what I have. Should we find we have common ancestors, I will be more than happy to share more information regarding recent generations. Thank you all for reading; I hope you have something to share.

Descendants of Macias in Jalisco, México

## Generation No. 1

1. ¿? Macías was born around 1886 in Tenamaxtlán Jalisco. He married my GG Grandmother ?? Lucas probably around 1900-1906. She was probably born sometime around 1886.

Children of ¿? MACIAS (GG Grandfather) and ¿? LUCAS (GG Grandmother) are:

i. Francisco Macias Lucas b. Abt 8 Sep 1909, Tenamaxltán, Jalisco, México, d.
Unkown
ii. Basilio Macias Lucas b. Abt 1902-1916, Tenamaxltán, Jalisco, México, d.
Unknown

Notes: Given names of my GG grandparents are unknown. It is uncertain if they had more children (most likely they did, as is usually the case with these “Breeding Stallions” – Abuelo el Sementa!). Based on the accounts of family members, it is possible that one of my GG grandparents had another son named Agustin which is a half brother of the 2 previously mentioned brothers (Francisco and Basilio).

## Generation No. 2

2. Great Grandfather Francisco Macias Lucas (b. Abt 8 Sep 1909, Tenamaxltán, Jalisco, México, d. Abt unknown). He maried Maria Gomez Sanchez (b. 3 Aug 1908) in San Luis Potosí México. The month and day form the birth dates of my Grand Parents are accurate, but the birth year is an approximation. From the accounts of my grand parents I know that my Great Grandfather married when he was 16 years of age, and my Great Grandmother at 15. Yup, they were young, so what!? And you know what else? Apparently there was no money for TV and the tractor was probably broken down leaving them with ample time to propagate (8 children!).

Children of my G Grandfather Francisco Macías Lucas and my G Grandmother María Gomez Sanchez.

i. Ramon Macias Gomez b. 25 Aug 1925, Tenamaxltán, Jalisco, México, d. Abt
1988, San Luis Potosí, San Luis Potosí, México
ii. Agustina Macias Gomez b. Abt 1925-1939, Tenamaxltán, Jalisco, México
iii. Lucia Macias Gomez b. Abt 1925-1939, Tenamaxltán, Jalisco, México
iv. Juana Macias Gomez b. Abt 1925-1939, Tenamaxltán, Jalisco, México, d.
Abt 1995
v. Sirenia Macias Gomez b. Abt 1925-1939, Tenamaxltán, Jalisco, México
vi. Leocadia Macias Gomez b. Abt 1925-1939, Tenamaxltán, Jalisco, México
viii. Felícitas Macias Gomez b. Abt 1925-1939, Tenamaxltán, Jalisco, México
ix. Roberto Macias Gomez b. Abt 1925-1939, d. Abt 2006, San Luis Potosi,
San Luis Potosí, México

Chumasero - Does anyone have any information onthis last name?

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I've seen Chamacuero...

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Published by Marionicia – Mon, 2008-09-29 22:15 | Permalink

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I remembered this surname from a poet, he was Alí Chumacero, write this name in your search engine and for sure you´ll have somenthing about.
 
Hope it helps, Leticia Leon

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A: "research"
Fecha: lunes, 29 septiembre, 2008, 10:37 pm

I've seen Chamacuero...

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Chumasero - Does anyone have any information onthis
last name?

I can't seem to find anyone alive with this last name. This was my
greatgrandmother's maiden name.

Thanks

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Thomas Alba Edison

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Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.

In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot to increase my trees.

Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.

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Juan Cristobal,

My husband is a descendant of the de Albas, Martins, Perez, Magdaleno, and Garcia from Jalisco. Maybe you and he are related in some way? They were in Encarnacion de Diaz in the 1800s. Some of his ancestors also came from San Juan and Lagos.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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From: JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.

In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot to increase my trees.

Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
Someone Know something about?

Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the grandmother of my father, she was born in San juan de los

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Emilie,

Almost all the family of my father come from Encarnación de Diaz, San Juan, Lagos and Aguascalientes.
If you give the name of the grant grand parents and grand parents of your husband, maybe we can know if we are relatives.
I have information from the San Juan de los Lagos "de Alba" since 1600s for the Perez since 1700s.
The name of the grand father of my father is Pastor Perez Lozano, the husband of Maria de los Angeles de Alba Jimenez that mention in my first mail.
The parents of Pastor were: Jose Guadalupe Perez(b.1825) and Ma de la Cruz Lozano Perez(b.9may 1828 in Encarnacion).

Thanks for your comments and the information from Thomas Alva Edison.

Juan Cristobal
San Luis Potosí, Mx

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Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba

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Published by meef98367 – Thu, 2008-09-25 11:45 | Permalink

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No, that is a myth. Alva was a common given name in America, and in the case of Thomas Alva Edison, he may have been given that name to honor someone that had that as a surname. I have also heard of another myth, that Walt Disney was Spanish, born in Spain as a Sephardic Jew, but that has proven false also.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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From: JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.

In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot to increase my trees.

Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
Someone Know something about?

Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the

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HELLO EMILI WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I DO'N KNOW NOBODY ELSE WITH THAT NAME UNLESS IT IS A SPANISH LAST NAME, OCCORDING TO THIS NUNE THE STORY GOES LIKE THIS, ALVA'S MOM GOT PREGNANT WITH OUT BEEN MARRIED SHE WAS FROM A RICH FAMILY FROM SAN JUANS DE LOS LAGOS, SO THEY SENT HER TO USA TO HIDE THE PREGNANCY, IF YOU SEE ALVA'S BIOGRAPHY THERE IS NO FATHER JUST THE MOTHER, SO IT IS POSSIBLE DON YOU THINK?, WE AS MEXICAN DESSERV A LITTLE BIT MORE CREDIVIDLY.
SALUDOS
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ.
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No, that is a myth. Alva was a common given name in America, and in the case of Thomas Alva Edison, he may have been given that name to honor someone that had that as a surname. I have also heard of another myth, that Walt Disney was
> Spanish, born in Spain as a Sephardic Jew, but that has proven false also.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN To:
> research

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Luis Miguel,

Of course you wouldn't know any American or Canadian or Englishman with that name. If you are from Mexico, Alva or Alba is known to you only as a surname, not a given name. Many Albas or Alvas in Mexico have claimed Thomas Alva Edison as their relative. I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco. Even some people with the surname Alvarez think that his name was really Alvarez. Someone in Jalisco said that a woman from there claimed to be his grandmother, and her surname was Alvarez.

According to John Burton, a descendant of Thomas Alva Edison, the birth of Thomas was recorded in two of their family bibles. Ohio did not require births to be registered in an official civil registry prior to 1870. He was born in Milan, Ohio, the last of seven children. He was named after a Captain Alva Bradley, from Canada, a friend of the family. Captain Bradley's first

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HI EMILIE
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER THIS IS WHAT ALL WE NEED AND ARE LOOKING FOR. THE ANSWER BASE ON REAL FACTS, I WISH I CAN GET THE RIGHT ANSWER TO AL THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG TO DREAM, BECAUSE THIS DREAM OR MYTHS IS WHAT KEEP US MOTIVATED IN THIS QUEST, I GROW UP IN A SMALL TOWN IN JALISCO AND IT WAS VERY DELIGHTFULL TO LISEN THIS TYPE OF HISTORIES FROM THE ELDER.
BEEN MEXICAN DOES NOT MEANS THAT WE DO NOT KNOW ANY OTHER NAMES OR SURNAMES, IT IS JUST THAT AS I SAID IS FUN TO LISEN AND DREAM ABOUT IT,
SALUDOS.

LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
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> Luis Miguel,
> Of course you wouldn't know any American or Canadian or Englishman with that name. If you are from Mexico, Alva or Alba is known to you only as a surname, not a given name. Many Albas or Alvas in Mexico have claimed Thomas Alva Edison as their relative. I find some of those stories coming

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Hi there Emilie ,

Just to keep things in perspectice I would like to clear things up at least for my part .

I did not say that I believe that Thomas was from Coahuila , I stated that people from there mentioned it to me . So, let's not blow this out of porportion and read correctly what is written .

Until someone can prove otherwise he's from the good ol US of A !

Take care,
Welester

> Luis Miguel,> > Of course you wouldn't know any American or Canadian or Englishman with that name. If you are from Mexico, Alva or Alba is known to you only as a surname, not a given name. Many Albas or Alvas in Mexico have claimed Thomas Alva Edison as their relative. I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco. Even some people with the surname Alvarez think that his name was really Alvarez. Someone in Jalisco said that a woman from there claimed to be his grandmother, and her

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HI, CRISTOVAL, THIS SOUNDS CRASY BUT I WENT TO A CATHOLIC COLEGE IN MEXICO THERE WAS THIS NUNE TEACHING FROM SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS SE TOLD ME SOME LIKE THAT AND EVERY TIME I TOLK ABOUT IT NO BODY BELIVE ME.
GOOD LUCK IN YOUR SEARCH PRIMO
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>
> Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.
> In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot
> to increase my trees.
> Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of one of his
> relative De Alba from the San Juan de los Lagos.
> Someone Know something about?
> Ma de los Angeles De Alba Jimenez (1852-1940)is the grandmother of my father,
> she was born in San juan de los Lagos Her Father was Jose Anacleto de Alba y Perez Franco(b.1826) and her Felicitas
> del Refugio Jimenez Magdaleno(b.1834). Her GrandParents for the father

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I found the family of Thomas Alva Edison listed in the Census of 1850 for Milan, Erie County, Ohio.

Samuel Edison age 45, born in Nova Scotia
Nancy Edison age 40, born in New York
William P. age 19, born in Canada
Harriet V. age 16, born in Canada
Alana [?] (male) age 3, born in Ohio
Stephen Elliott age 55, born in Conn [Connecticut?]

That little 3 year old boy must really be "Alva", not Alana, and he was born in 1847, the year Thomas was born. This family is also listed in later American censuses, so it doesn't look like any of them ever went to Mexico.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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HI, CRISTOVAL, THIS SOUNDS CRASY BUT I WENT TO A CATHOLIC COLEGE IN MEXICO THERE WAS THIS NUNE TEACHING FROM

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Perdon mi abuela decia que su abuela no su mama.> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:11:26 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> > > < _________________________________________________________________> Realiza búsquedas en Internet y llévate hasta ¡Un Auto! > http://www.ganabuscando.com/Default.aspx&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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HOLA LETY
ES MUY PROBLABLE QUE SEA CIERTO YO FUI AL COLEGIO DE MONJITAS EN SAN MIGUEL Y UNA DE ELLAS ERA DE SAN JUAN Y ELLA ESTABA CONVENCIDA DE QUE TOMAS ERA DE SAN JUAN DE LAS FAMILIAS DE ALBA. Y NO ME LO PLATICO UNA VEZ SINO MUCHAS.
NO VEO PORQUE NO Y LO QUE DICES DE EL PARECIDO CON TU PAPA LO CREO PORQUE TAMBIEN ME RECUERDA MUCHO A MI ABUELO (POR PATE DE MI PAPA) EN TODOS LOS ASPECTOS MI ABUELO TENIA LA MISMA FISINOMIA LA MISMA CARA POSIBLEMENTE TENIAN ALGUNA RELACION SI ES QUE ES CIERTO QUE TOMAS ALBA ERA DE JALISCO.
SALUDOS
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ.
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> Perdon mi abuela decia que su abuela no su mama.> From: siriuslr@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:11:26 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison> > > > Edison saco el Alva... pues sus supuestos hermanos solo son Edison..y hasta acta
> de nacimiento tiene.. pero si tu vez una foto de mi papa y

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Lety (y demás), a mi me platicaron algunas personas que ya fallecieron también la misma historia que la que te contaron, pero además, según eso que para que no fueran a saber que Tomas Alva (Alvarez) Edison no era estadounidense por tantas cosas que inventó, le expidieron un acta donde decía que fue nacido en Estados Unidos. Sería bueno saber si la persona que dice Emily se trata del mismo Alva Edison o quizás sea otra persona apegada a la familia Edison. Una muestra de su ADN también sería ideal para verificar sus orígenes.

No tienes la foto que mencionas para ver el parecido que había con tus antepasados?

Saludos,

Ricardo

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de gonzalez4336@bellsouth.net
Enviado el: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:15 PM
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

HOLA LETY
ES MUY PROBLABLE QUE SEA CIERTO YO FUI AL COLEGIO

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Tomas Edison invento mas de mil cosas en los estados unidos en laboratorios en New Jersey, cosas como "phonographs" y otras cosas donde se podia ver el nombre "Thomas Alva Edison". En Mexico creian que su apellido era "Alba Edison", pero, no, el apellido era Edison Elliottt, Edison de su padre, y Elliott de su madre. No se usa el apellido de la madre en los estados unidos.

Porque no querian saber si fue nacido en Mexico o Canada or Inglatera? No sacaron ninguna acta de nacimiento, el mismo juro en aplicacion para pasaporte a Europa en 1888 que nacio en Milan, Ohio en 1847, y asi esta apuntado en biblias de la familia. Creo que algunos en mexico quieren que sea nacido en mexico "por tantas cosas que invento", que no?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Lety (y demás), a mi me platicaron algunas

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Luis Miguel, muy amable..y ay oigan a mi la verdad me da igualito si es mi tio tatarabuelo o no, no tengo interes ni moral ni economico en el asunto y soy suficientemente valiosa en mi propia vida como para vivir del chisme de una persona famosa, por muy famosa que sea, los que estamos en esto de la genealogia sabemos que muchos entran queriendo averiguar lo nobles o reales que eran sus ancestros y terminan sabiendo que eran hijos no legitimos de sabe Dios quien, N'est pas? que mas da, se trata de ser buenas personas..
Solo quise compartir lo que me dijo mi abuelita que le dijo su abuelita porque me parecio curioso que en los ultimos 100 anos hemos vivido en el D.F. y que esa historia no es la que esta de moda en Jalisco o se saco de un chat (que por supuesto no habia) sino que ue de generacion a generacion y de verdad la senora vivia acongojada por el hermano.. luego hasta di con el acta que me confundio y que bueno que mi abuela no vivio para saber esos tecnicismos, pero hoy

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Estimada Leticia Reynoso muchas gracias por tus cometarios.
Si me pudieses dar mas datos de tus ancestros de Alba, donde nacieron, yo
tengo información de los de Alba de San Juan de los Lagos.
Posiblemente pudiésemos encontrar información.
Saludos
J. Cristóbal Villalobos

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de leticia
reynoso
Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Septiembre de 2008 09:05 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Luis Miguel, muy amable..y ay oigan a mi la verdad me da igualito si es mi
tio tatarabuelo o no, no tengo interes ni moral ni economico en el asunto y
soy suficientemente valiosa en mi propia vida como para vivir del chisme de
una persona famosa, por muy famosa que sea, los que estamos en esto de la
genealogia sabemos que muchos entran queriendo averiguar lo nobles o reales
que eran sus ancestros y terminan sabiendo que

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I concur.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:02 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

It seems to me that we have discussed Tom a good bit. He is resting
peacefully (I hope) so maybe we can let him rest for awhile, what do you
think? But if someone finds a good baptism record or tantalizing piece
of factual information showing evidence to old Tom's Mexican roots well
please bring it on. Why don't we give him a bit of a rest for now or
possibly take it to private email. As always I'm not telling folks what
to do just thinking that this might be best for all.

Hemos hablado de Tomas un poco ya. El esta descansando (Ojala que si)
que piensan de que lo dejamos descansar por un rato? Pero si alguien
tiene un acto de baptismo o un acto deliciosio de informacion factual
ensenyando preva de Tomas' conexcion a Mejico bueno mandalo al grupo
para que todos pueden verlo. Porque no horita

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Hola J.Cristobal:
Desgraciadamente todo lo que se de ellos es lo que mi abuela me decia cuando me contaba cuentos, que Simon de la Mora (creo que Tostado) era dueño de la tienda del Pueblo estaba casado con alguien quien no recuerdo en este momento se apellidaba de Alba (creo que Alvarez del Castillo)y que tuvo 13 hijos, Cleto,Josefina, Victoriano,Eberarda , Carlos y otros mas que en cuanto los encuentre pues es una rama que tengo muy abandonada pero te la voy a buscar.. Eberarda de la Mora era mi bisabuela pero a mi me encanta buscar... si quieres te ayudo a buscar nexos de esa familia que seguramente es la mia..los de la Mora creo an de Tepatitlan donde el unico Simon con registros estaba casado con Juana de Alba pero si creo que los De Alba eran de San Juan de los lagos. Si estas atorado en algun punto me ofrezco a ayudar en lo que pueda...saludo L. Reynoso
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Hola compañeros, no se si tengan el dato, pero Simón de la Mora y Juana de Alba casaron en Tepatitlán el día 31 de agosto de 1864. Simón es hijo de José María Rudecindo de la Mora Gallegos y Dorotea Martín del Campo Ochoa; y Juana de Alba es hija de José Martín de Alba y María de la Encarnación Enríquez.

Si alguno de ustedes tiene el dato de los padres de José Martín de Alba y María de la Encarnación Enríquez se los agradecería muchísimo si me proporcionan el dato.
Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Hay, Luis,

No puede ser. El nombre del inventor, su apellido, fue Edison Elliott, Thomas Alva fue el nombre cristiano baptizado, como tu eres Luis Miguel. El inventor no era Alba. Los descendientes de el inventor saben donde y cuando nacio y donde vivia despues. Tus monjitas son como los demas en mexico como en coahuila y zacatecas que creen que el apellido era Alba, pero estan equivocados como te conte antes. No era de ningun linea Alba o Alva. Thomas Edison estaba en Ohio y Michigan desde 1847. De casado vivia en New Jersey y Florida.

Emilie
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

HOLA LETY
ES MUY PROBLABLE QUE SEA CIERTO YO FUI AL COLEGIO DE MONJITAS EN SAN MIGUEL Y UNA DE ELLAS ERA DE SAN JUAN Y ELLA ESTABA CONVENCIDA DE QUE TOMAS ERA DE SAN JUAN DE LAS FAMILIAS DE ALBA. Y NO ME LO PLATICO UNA VEZ SINO

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HOLA OTRA VEZ EMILIE

YO NO DIJO QUE ASI SEA NOMAS COMPARTO LO QUE OI DE NINO EN LA ESCUELA NO TIENE NADA DE MALO SUPONER. YO SE QUE LO MAS PROBLABLE ES QUE NO SEA CIERTO PERO UNO NUNCA SABE LA VIDA NOS DA SORPRESAS SIEMPRE HAY UNA POSIBILIDAD, NO CREES. AL FINAL DE CUENTAS ES UNA FANTASIA COMO CASI TODO EN LA VIDA.

SALUDOS.

LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ

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> Hay, Luis,
> No puede ser. El nombre del inventor, su apellido, fue Edison Elliott, Thomas Alva fue el nombre cristiano baptizado, como tu eres Luis Miguel. El inventor no era Alba. Los descendientes de el inventor saben donde y cuando nacio y donde vivia despues. Tus monjitas son como los demas en mexico como en coahuila y zacatecas que creen que el apellido era Alba, pero estan equivocados como te conte antes. No era de ningun linea Alba o Alva. Thomas Edison estaba en Ohio
> y Michigan desde 1847. De casado vivia en New Jersey y Florida.
>
> Emilie
>

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Hello Cristobal,

I live 30 min away from San Juan de los Lagos, in Valle de Guadalupe, and I have also heard that same story from the older people here that Thomas Alba Edison was born somewhere in Los Altos and that he went to live to the US when he was young. It would be nice to lookup his birth certificate to see who his parents were.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de JUAN CRISTOBAL VILLALOBOS LOMELIN
Enviado el: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:19 PM
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas Alba Edison

Hello to all the primos de nuestros ranchos.

In the last weeks a received a lot of help of several of you that help me a lot to increase my trees.

Now I have a new question, My father told me that his grand mother for his mother side, mention to him, that Tomas Alva Edison was son of

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Hi everybody ,

I heard from people that live in Parras , Coahuila that Thomas Alva Edison is from there , go figure .

In my recent request for help I posted a plead for help but, I mispelled the last name of the monjita , it is URZUA from Cienega de Mata , Ojuelos , Jalisco . Her Great Grandfather was Vida Urzua and his wife was Agapita Lopez .

Can anyone help her out with more info on the family line ?

Thanx ,

Welester

> Hello Cristobal,> > I live 30 min away from San Juan de los Lagos, in Valle de Guadalupe, and I have also heard that same story from the older people here that Thomas Alba Edison was born somewhere in Los Altos and that he went to live to the US when he was young. It would be nice to lookup his birth certificate to see who his parents were.> > Saludos,> > Ricardo Rodriguez> Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco>
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ESPERANZA

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Yes, I am the same person.

I am sorry, I don't remember the man's name....although I do have a picture
of him. He was one of the councilmen of the town.

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Could you scan the picture and mail it to me ?

Welester

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I sent you two pictures---one with the man with the story....and one of the
self-proclaimed historian of Santiago.

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Not a problem , to tell you the truth that has been a rumor in Santiago for a very long time but no one has ever been able to prove it .
I am in contact with several people there that are historians and genealogist and not one of them can even state what the gentleman has stated to you .

Oh well , my family there are Tamez, Saldivar , Almaguer and of course Alvarado they all are very fair of skin and blue eyes and then we start to shade down sort of . ;-)

Welester

P.S. because of you I went to see the exhibit THANX !

> Yes, I am the same person.> > I am sorry, I don't remember the man's name....although I do have a picture > of him. He was one of the councilmen of the town.> > Esperanza> > >
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Amelia

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Lester, thanks for responding to my inquiry. Yes, lets stay in touch and
see if we can discover our Alvarado blood line. I'm in the process of
trying to create a family tree so that it will be easier for my fellow

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Published by Jose_Antonio_S… – Sat, 2008-09-27 13:30 | Permalink

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PARIENTES SANTILLAN DE NOCHISTLAN Y MEXTICACAN VAMOS A COMUNICARNOS Y CONOCER NUESTROS ANTEPASADOS, TENGO INFORMACION Y BUSCOA MAS, QUIEN APORTA MAS

ANTONIO SANTILLAN
PADRE FROYLAN SANTILLAN
ABUELO PRISCILIANO SANTILLAN
BISABUELO BENITO SANTILLAN
TATARABUELO LEANDRO SANTILLAN
CHOSNO SI ASI DE DICE MARCELINO SANTILLAN

VAMOS SANTILLAN DONDE ESTAN????

> From: shizuechan@earthlink.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:51:34 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Amelia> > Lester, thanks for responding to my inquiry. Yes, lets stay in touch and> see if we can discover our Alvarado blood line. I'm in the process of> trying to create a family tree so that it will be easier for my fellow> researchers to see who I'm searching for. I'm going next week to go to> my LDS family history center in Hayward, CA to get some help and guidance. > This is so amazing and gratifying at so many levels, that it's almost scary> to discover who came before us. My father has

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Question for Daniel Mendez

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Hello Daniel! I had been wondering about Quezada surname in your rootsweb database, what was your source? ´Cause it brings out my curiosity that in this, my era, I always knew my last name is Leon, then about three years ago I found out about the Cos or Coss from my research in films, and then and last I met the Quezada added to Coss Y Leon in your data. So, what is the source?

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Quezada in the early films from Silao I have seen Quezada and Coss y Leon, Coss, Cos, Leon, use interchangably not sure where we get Quezada but must be in Aragon prob a grandfather. Mariano Gonz. Leal is said to publicate research about this family in one of coming volumes, so we will have to wait what he says. Im sure hes also seen Quezada. I will try to get the exact film numbers so you can see Quezada for yourself. -Daniel

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Daniel's email address has been bouncing. If someone in the group is in
communication with him please ask him if he has a new address and if
he'd like to continue his membership in the group?

thanks,

joseph

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> Hello Daniel! I had been wondering about Quezada surname in your
> rootsweb database, what was your source? ´Cause it brings out my
> curiosity that in this, my era, I always knew my last name is Leon,
> then about three years ago I found out about the Cos or Coss from my
> research in films, and then and last I met the Quezada added to Coss Y
> Leon in your data. So, what is the source?
>
> (yeah, remember "what is the

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Fw: RE: The original GARCIA last name is "GARCIA DE ALBA"

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Hi, All,
I've been having problems with my e-mail so I'm hoping this time I reach someone. 
 
A few days ago I sent the attached information to Gloria Fuentes and (I thought) to Nuestros Ranchos;  but I have not seen it posted with the rest of the correspondence, and I don't think Gloria got it either;  so I'm re-sending it.  Hopefully this time I have the right   address(es) and it gets posted in the general correspondence. 

Macias in Jalpa

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Amelia, I have the civil records from Jalpa from 1887 - 1895. I am almost
done with them. Where do you live? Perhaps instead of returning them, if you
live close by, LDS will allow me to forward them to a LDS center near you.

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Published by makas_nc – Tue, 2008-09-23 18:15 | Permalink

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I'm almost 100% certain that the LDS won't allow transferring of films
like this but what is the worst that can happen so go ahead and ask. It
could be that they might make an exception, who knows.

Arturo gave some great paths to follow in finding the names of your
grandparents. I'd agree that finding the full names of your grandparents
is your immediate goal because I'm almost positive that your grandfather
was not only a Jose Macias but probably a Jose _____ Macias and your
grandmother a Maria _____ Tostado. If you get their full names then you
might be able to find some of your fathers older siblings baptism
records on that one film that ends in 1919. Yes you have some home work
to do right in the Jalpa records before you expand to other areas, but
yes the other areas will be sources to pursue in time.

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Meche,

When you say you are almost done with the Jalpa civil records from 1887-1895, does this mean you have copied all the files onto a compact disc?

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> Amelia, I have the civil records from Jalpa from 1887 - 1895. I am almost
> done with them. Where do you live? Perhaps instead of returning them, if you
> live close by, LDS will allow me to forward them to a LDS center near you.
> For some reason, from 1891 and forward, for the most part, it lists grandparents
> names but from 1860 to 1890 it does not. Or, let me know what year you are
> looking for and I'll try to find it and forward you a copy.
>
> Mercedes.
>
>
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Meche & Amelia,
 
    I'm also interested in researching the Jalpa records. The last names that I'm working with are Silva, Duran, Chavez & Sanchez. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
 
           J.Guadalupe Jaime Chavez

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From: rubenhernandez57@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Macias in Jalpa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 3:36 AM

Meche,

When you say you are almost done with the Jalpa civil records from 1887-1895,
does this mean you have copied all the files onto a compact disc?

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From: MecheChavez@aol.com

> Amelia, I have the civil records from Jalpa from 1887 - 1895. I am almost
> done with them. Where do you live? Perhaps instead of returning them, if
you
> live close by, LDS will allow me to forward them to a LDS center near you.

> For some reason, from 1891 and forward, for the most part, it lists

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Thanks for the tips Arturo. I really appreciate it as I am new to doing
research in Mexico. What is FHL? I have not seen that reference.

Amelia

> [Original Message]
> From: arturoramos
> To:
> Date: 9/22/2008 4:51:19 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Macias in Jalpa
>
>
> Amelia:
>
> Welcome to the group. I am sure you will find lots of people here
willing to help you with your search.
>
> Genealogy is all about establishing a paper trail that you can follow.
You are in for a bit of a rocky ride because it appears that the baptism
documents from Jalpa for the relevant period (1860-1880) are not filmed by
FHL. I don't know if they were destroyed or simply not filmed. In any
case, you will have to look somewhere else.
>
> The first place to start is to find out your grandmother's last name.
The birth certificate or baptism record of your father/mother should list
this and if it is a Mexican birth certificate or baptism record, it should
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Hi Ruben, no I am not that sophisticated. I looked through the micro fiche
film manually. From 1891, for the most part, the paternal and maternal
grandparents are recorded but prior to that you only have parents, and witnesses. I
should have started with the church records first but I didn't. As I said, I am
almost done with those years and will be returning them soon, however, if you
have a specific person and know what year they were born, I will more than
happy to see if I can find it.

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Hello J.Guadalupe Jaime Chavez

Well, as my surname indicates, I am a Chavez and also a Sanchez and a Duran.
What part of Jalpa are your relatives from? My relatives, as far as I know,
are from El Ojo de Agua, Jabonera and La Pitahaya and maybe from a rancho
called El Aguacate.

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Hi, Meche!!!
     My grandfather was born in la Macauta which belongs to "Corral de Piedra", he owned el rancho el Sauz, his name is Pedro Chavez Sanchez.Hopefully we can connect!!!
 
Lupe

--- On Wed, 9/24/08, MecheChavez@aol.com wrote:

From: MecheChavez@aol.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalpa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 11:48 PM

Hello J.Guadalupe Jaime Chavez

Well, as my surname indicates, I am a Chavez and also a Sanchez and a Duran.
What part of Jalpa are your relatives from? My relatives, as far as I know,
are from El Ojo de Agua, Jabonera and La Pitahaya and maybe from a rancho
called El Aguacate.

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Lupe,

I think you belong to the Vicente Chavez clan. Vicente Chavez and Daniel
Chavez (my great grandfather), I believe where first cousins, have not confirmed
this yet but almost certain. Anyway, if you indeed are from the descendants
of Vicente Chavez, then I will tell you that I did not find any records of him
until late 1895's. I found records of my great grandfather Daniel Chavez in
Jalpa since 1880.

There is a connection of between these Chavez and a rancho called El
Aguacate, which is somewhere in a remote area in of Jalpa because a man by the name
of Serafin Chavez in Jalpa told me this last year and I also confirmed in the
records I have reviewed.

Let me know if I am correct and I will share more information.

Later,

Mercedes

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Meche,
 
     Yes you are correct, the only info that i have is the date of birth, and marriage date of vicente chavez, the place and parents name don't appear on the sources I've researched.
    
lupe

--- On Thu, 9/25/08, MecheChavez@aol.com wrote:

From: MecheChavez@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalpa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 12:59 AM

Lupe,

I think you belong to the Vicente Chavez clan. Vicente Chavez and Daniel
Chavez (my great grandfather), I believe where first cousins, have not
confirmed
this yet but almost certain. Anyway, if you indeed are from the descendants
of Vicente Chavez, then I will tell you that I did not find any records of him
until late 1895's. I found records of my great grandfather Daniel Chavez in

Jalpa since 1880.

There is a connection of between these Chavez and a rancho called El
Aguacate, which is somewhere in a remote area in of Jalpa because a man by the
name
of Serafin Chavez in

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Published by Mercedes_Chavez – Thu, 2008-09-25 23:30 | Permalink

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Lupe,

Actually I have that information, but currently I am remodeling my house and
don't have that information handy. In my research I ran across a birth record
of one of his children in late 1897 -1903 and made a copy of it. It has his
parents and his wife's parents names that is how I realized he was not brother
to Daniel Chavez but most likely his first cousin. I made a copy of it
because further in my research if they are indeed first cousins then I have too
leads to go by. Also, I believe Vicente Chavez Sanchez was also related to my
great-grandmother Emiteria Sanchez Flores. I go to the family research center on
Thursdays. Next week, I will look it up again and send you the info.

If you are serious about doing geneology then we can work together on this
and eliminate double and perhaps triple work becuase our lineage crosses with-in
the fourth or fifth generation. It won't be an easy task because many
records are missing from Jalpa.

Last year when I went to

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Mercedes,
 
   Antes que nada aprovecho para saludarte.Indudablemente creo que si tambien por los Sanchez tambien tengamos parentezco.Por lo que se, es que mi bisabuelo Vicente Chavez Sanchez quedo viudo y creo que se caso con la mama de su nuera o sea la mama de mi abuela Ma. de Jesus Sanchez Duran, que tambien habia quedado viuda.Entonces mis abuelos tienen medios hermanos en comun pero ellos no se llaman nada. yo se es algo confuso, aun a mi, me confunden algunos parentezcos.Entonces por lo tanto hay 3: Vicente Chavez Sanchez.
uno es mi bisabuelo, otro mi tio hermano de mi mama y el otro mi tio medio hermano de mis abuelos. Espero y no te haya confundido!
 
Lupe
 
 

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Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 1:18 AM

Lupe,

Actually I have that information, but currently I am remodeling my house and
don't have that information handy. In my

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Hola Lupe,

Espera....barajeamela mas despacio por que todavia me esta dando vueltas la
cabeza.....no te creas es broma =) Estoy segura que en Jalpa la mayoria somos
parientes por un lado u otro, unos lejanos y otros cercanos pero todos
parientes. Creo que por eso existe la imigracion para que los genes tengan
variedad. Y si tienes muchas razon, el parenteso muchas veces es bastante confuso por
eso ahora anoto todo.

Base a mi repasos hay muchos Chavez en Jalpa. El Vicente Chavez que era
primo hermano de mi bisabuelo Daniel Chavez, segun yo se, era muy muy pobre y tuvo
la suerte de encontrarse dinero. La familia de Vicente Chavez fue muy
numerosa y uno de su hijos Antonio Chavez fue padrino de mi tio. Mi interes en
saber informacion sobre Vicente Chavez Sanchez es porque el era la unica persona
que yo sabia por lo Chavez era pariente de mi bisabuelo Daniel Chavez pero base
a mi investigacion hoy se que tuvo un hermano llamado Adrian Chavez.

Te voy a ser

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to Welester

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What I said was, "I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco".

I didn't say you said Thomas was from Coahuila, just that the story also came from there. The Edison descendant said he wouldn't care if Thomas was born in Mexico if he was, but he knows he wasn't. Why should it be proved otherwise?

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Emilie,

Maybe you can't see where you are implying that I believe that Thomas comes from Coahila but , when a person says " I THINK " that implies that they may believe it or may believe it to be TRUE .

I, in no way THINK or BELIEVE this to be true or possible .

As for the proof , don't you think as a genealogist you've learned that word of mouth cannot be enough we all look for documents and or in this case as someone mentioned a DNA test .

Hopes this clears up some of the issues here Emilie . Let's end this one here , OK .

Take care,
Welester

>> What I said was, "I find some of those stories coming from Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and now Lester thinks it came from Coahuila. You say the story came from Lagos in Jalisco". > > I didn't say you said Thomas was from Coahuila, just that the story also came from there. The Edison descendant said he wouldn't care if Thomas was born in Mexico if he was, but he knows he wasn't. Why should it be proved otherwise? > > Emilie >
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Just had to put my 2 cents worth in.. This dialogue shows how many of us who are working on documenting the truth that may change the family stories is sometimes uncomfortable or unwelcome by older family members.  Oral traditions usually have at least a grain of truth and when we discover records disproving the stories/history that the elders have shared it is not always received with open arms. Most people don't like to be told things that change their truth as they have known it.
 
In my Castanon family we have had a family reunion once a year for the last 30 years.  I usually share what I've found that year proving or disproving our history from the district of Jerez Zacatecas.. I have learned to temper what I share since it is not always welcome.
 
  My research proved we were not French or German as I was told by my grandfather. My researched showed my gr-grandparents were cousins, that certainly was not welcomed since my Fathers generation knew them and just knew that "good"

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I apologize if I misinterpreted what you had said.

What I was trying to point out to people in Mexico who think that Alva Edison was a surname, is that in America men used old-fashioned given names out of the Bible, and that in Mexico he would have been known as Thomas Alva Edison Elliott.

I found Thomas listed originally in a census as Alvah, and it comes from the Bible, Chronicles 1: "The chiefs of Edom were: chiefs Timna, Alvah, Jetheth, 52 Oholibamah, Elah, Pinon, 53 Kenaz, Teman, Mibzar, 54 Magdiel, and Iram; these are the chiefs of Edom".

Emilie

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Hi Emilie ,

Lets' start all over . Hi , My name is Welester G. Alvarado it's indeed a pleasure to know you and there is absolutely no need for you to apoligize .

I am an American from Los Angeles , California now living in Monterrey , Mexico . I came here almost 7 yrs. ago to find my roots . I was only going to stay here for one year and ended up going on 7 .

In the process I started two companies and still haven't finished my genealogy . I found some of my ancestors from Zacatecas ( Saldivar , Trevino maybe Alvarado ) . Esther Herold helped me connect the dots from there to Monterrey .

Take care ,
Welester> > > I apologize if I misinterpreted what you had said. > > What I was trying to point out to people in Mexico who think that Alva Edison was a surname, is that in America men used old-fashioned given names out of the Bible, and that in Mexico he would have been known as Thomas Alva Edison Elliott. > > I found Thomas listed originally in a census as Alvah, and it comes

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DE LA TORRE DE SANTA ANA JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO

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BUSCO INFORMACION SOBRE EL APEIDO DE LA TORRE DE JALOS SI ALGIEN SAVE ALGO SE LO AGRADESERIA, TAMBIEN BUSCO AL SENOR MIGUEL ANGEL GUTIERREZ DE LA TORRE, UN CORDIAL SALUDO A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS.

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Hola mi nombre es JOsé María Vallejo, me gusta la genealogia y conozco algunas familias de Jalos, ya que soy originario de este Municipio, y me gustaria ayudarte en el tema.
Conozco un Miguel Gutiérrez de la Torre, el es hijo de Pascual de la Torre, elte ultimo es hijo de FRancisco de la Torre, a la vez hijo de BuenaVentura de la Torre, informame si setrata de tus familiares o quienes son:

Sin más de Momento, te envió un saludo.

ATTE.
José María Vallejo. > To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: gonzalez4336@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:59:20 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA TORRE DE SANTA ANA JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO> > > BUSCO INFORMACION SOBRE EL APEIDO DE LA TORRE DE JALOS SI ALGIEN SAVE ALGO SE LO AGRADESERIA, TAMBIEN BUSCO AL SENOR MIGUEL ANGEL GUTIERREZ DE LA TORRE, UN CORDIAL SALUDO A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To

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Jose Maria, Tengo 10 hijos de Buenaventura y Maria Feliciana Alvarez, no tengo a Francisco que año nacio? No soy ese pero parece que tendriamos que ser parientes si hablamos del mismo Buenaventura de la Torre.

Miguel Angel Gutierrez de la Torre
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Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:19 PM
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Hola mi nombre es JOsé María Vallejo, me gusta la genealogia y conozco algunas familias de Jalos, ya que soy originario de este Municipio, y me gustaria ayudarte en el tema.
Conozco un Miguel Gutiérrez de la Torre, el es hijo de Pascual de la Torre, elte ultimo es hijo de FRancisco de la Torre, a la vez hijo de BuenaVentura de la Torre, informame si setrata de tus familiares o quienes son:

Sin más de Momento, te envió un saludo.

ATTE.
José María Vallejo. > To: general@lists

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HOLA PROMO JOSE MARIA GRACIAS PERO YA ENCONTRE A MIGUEL ANGEL GUTIERREZ Y COMO DICE EL EN SU CONTESTACION DEVEMOS SER PARIENTES LE REITERO MI AGRADECIMIENTO SI NECESITA ALGUN DATO Y SE LO PUEDO PROVEER CON TODO GUSTO SALUDOS

LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ

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Hola Miguel, agradezco tu atención, sobre los que me dices de los 10 hijos de Buenaventura de la Torre y María Feliciana Alvarez, no tenia conociento de los 10 hijos, seria mucho pedirte que me enviaran los nombre y de quién eres descendiente, ya que aunque yo no tengo el de la Torre hasta mis tatarabuelos, si tengo primos que se apellidan Mercado de la Torre, bisnietos de Abraham de la Torre que caso con Ruperta Mercado Reynoso.

Sería muy interesante e importante para mi el que me dieras esta información y así tener más información de esta familia y tambien facilitarte información que tengo.

Espero tu respuesta.

Hasta pronto, recibe saludos.> From: miggychino@msn.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:34:49 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA TORRE DE SANTA ANA JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO> > Jose Maria, Tengo 10 hijos de Buenaventura y Maria Feliciana Alvarez, no tengo a Francisco que año nacio? No soy ese pero parece que tendriamos que ser

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Luis, escribeme a (Miggychino@msn.com)
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BUSCO INFORMACION SOBRE EL APEIDO DE LA TORRE DE JALOS SI ALGIEN SAVE ALGO SE LO AGRADESERIA, TAMBIEN BUSCO AL SENOR MIGUEL ANGEL GUTIERREZ DE LA TORRE, UN CORDIAL SALUDO A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS.

TRIPLE WHAMMY !! (Fun Fact)

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FUN FACT

Ygnacia de Leon (b. Abt. 1702 in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, Mexico)

Ygnacia de Leon is my 5th Great Grandaunt twice (both of her brothers, Francisco Xavier and Bartholome, are my 5th Great Grandfathers) and she is also my 6th Grandmother (equal to her father, Manuel de Leon, who is also my 6th Grandfather twice via Francisco Xavier and Bartholome, and who is also my 7th Great Grandfather via Ygnacia) !!

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Oops!

I meant to say that Ygnacia was my 6th Great Grandmother and that her father Manuel was my 6th Great Grandfather and 7th Great Grandfather respectively

To Juan Cristobal

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Juan Cristobal,

I sent that link to my husband's Encarnacio de Diaz familie to your prodigy e-mail address, since I saw that it can't be opened from the Nuestros Ranchos site.

Emilie

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Dear Emilie,

Thanks a lot for all the information, I am going to analyze it, and try to
found some relationship, if I found it I let you Know.
Maybe for the Villalobos side or the Alba side.

Juan Cristóbal

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Emilie
Garcia
Enviado el: Jueves, 25 de Septiembre de 2008 09:03 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Juan Cristobal

Juan Cristobal,

I sent that link to my husband's Encarnacio de Diaz familie to your prodigy
e-mail address, since I saw that it can't be opened from the Nuestros
Ranchos site.

Emilie

Fw: To Juan Cristobal re Encarnacion Families

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Juan Cristobal,

I meant to say that my husband's great-grandmother was Marciana Cervantes. I left out a generation there. My husband's grandfather, father of Enrique, was Primitivo Garcia, and his grandmother was Maria Hinojosa.

T. Alva Edison on 1860 census

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I found Thomas Alva Edison on the 1860 census for Port Huron, St. Clair County, Michigan:

Samuel Edison age 55 farmer born in N.Scotia
Nancy age 51 born in N. Y.

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