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The books cover the first Spanish settlers of Los Altos de Jalisco.  
Some families do extend to other states, so you might find some of 
your ancestry covered in one of the chapters.  I have a copy of Tomo 
I which contains a "Plan general de la obra" for all the subsequent 
Tomos (II - VI) and has all the surnames covered.  If anyone wants me 
to check for any surnames send me an e-mail.

Each chapter begins with the first settlers and then traces their 
male descendancy. Sources are cited for every bit of data.

Maria Cortez

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski" <susyfarias@c...> 
wrote:
>
> Joseph:
> 
> Do you think the book covers Zacatecas? Or is just Jalisco?
> If the book covers parts of Zacatecas. I would like a copy. Please 
let me know how much it would  be.? 
> 
> Thank you 
> 
> susana leniski
>

Hi all!  I just thought I'd write to ask who may be interested in a 
Southern California or maybe even a Central California meeting.  
Since I was so impressed with the Sacramento meeting, I would like 
to arrange something similar, since I'm sure there are many members 
who would like to meet in the Southern California region.

Please tell me the following:

1.  Do you prefer a meeting in the Los Angeles area or Central 
California, as someone suggested in a previous message, so that 
members in Northern California could meet us?

2.  Is January or February the best month for you?


If I can get ideas as to timing and interest, I can then offer 
choices.  

Thanks!

Rosalinda

I'm interested but I want to know how much it will cost. Marge:)



On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

I don't know. . .i would say it depends on how the book is formatted. If its 6 volumes all bound together probably not but if its 6 separate maybe so. I'm sure more info will be come soon.



maybe direct your email to Francisco since he is in direct communication with Mariano Gonzalez Leal



thanks,



joseph





John Gonzalez wrote:

<x-tad-smaller>Joseph:</x-tad-smaller>

We're planning on going to Los Altos in June or July
2006, and if the tour is for that time frame, I'm
interested.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- "Josie T. Trevino" <Josiett3@...> wrote:

> Hi to all!
>  
> I am back home for a few days and am trying to catch
> up before I leave
> again!  I had written to a good friend of mine who
> is with the Coahuila
> archives.  Miguel Angel is the person who introduced
> me to Leonardo de la
> Torre Berumen in Jerez a couple of years ago.  I had
> written to Miguel Angel
> to ask him more about Sr. Leonardo and here is his
> response: ( My quick
> translation to English would be:)
>  
>  Berumen is in charge of the Archivo Municipal of
> Jerez and is a respectable
> person.  He is far from Los Altos de Jalisco, which
> is next to Zacatecas, he
> has to go on the highway and I do not know if he has
> the time....tell your
> friends (my Ranchos group) that I can get them
> information regarding Los
> Altos.  Here (in the archives) we have information
> and if they want (a copy
> of ) the records I will see how we can get them.  Of
> course, they are your
> friends and that is my job here in the archives. 
> (the rest refers to
> another of our mutual friend).......In a nutshell,
> Miguel Angel is prepared
> and willing to help us with anything he can.  Even
> though he is employed by
> the State of Coahuila, his main interest is
> genealogy and he has helped me
> tremendously in the past and continues to help
> anyone he can.  He even put
> together a trip for a few of us to Zacatecas and
> took us to all the archives
> and historical points of interest.  This might be
> something for us to
> consider in the future......a trip to Zacatecas!  
>  
> Glad to be back home!
>  
> Josie in San Antonio
>  
>
============================================================================
> =====================================
> 
> Josie:
>  
> Berumen es el responsable del Archivo Municipal en
> Jerez, es una respetable
> persona. Sin embargo, esta lejos de los Altos de
> Jalisco, pegado a
> Zacatecas, tiene que dar una vuelta por carretera y
> no se si tenga tiempo en
> su oficina, diles a tus amigos que yo les puedo
> conseguir informacion acerca
> de los Altos, aqui tenemos informacion, y si quieren
> Actas, veo como

Same here.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Susana Leniski <susyfarias@...> wrote:

> Joseph:
> 
> Do you think the book covers Zacatecas? Or is just
> Jalisco?
> If the book covers parts of Zacatecas. I would like
> a copy. Please let me know how much it would  be.? 
> 
> Thank you 
> 
> susana leniski


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well you know how I am. So when you all have sorted things out a bit
more please give us a brief overview of who is related to who and how.

Shall we get go ahead and reserve the Mariachi's? Where is the
fiesta/baile going to be? You know we should not take it lightly when
various branches of a family have somehow lost each other for 100's of
years and suddenly now when no one remembers anyone in the other branch,
the branches find each other. its time to rejoice and be happy. Its like
finding a needle in a hay stack. . .it took two or more parties doing
very very hard and tedious genealogical research to make a very distant
connection and discover that the same blood the same DNA the same
familia is "common."

is someone going to make capidotada (Emilie)? or do we have to wait
until lent? how about some menudo. . .its almost New Years anyway we
don't only have it for New Years, we've gotten away from that and have
it whenever someone wants to make it. . .which normally turns out to be
at New Years. . .go figure! oh and can someone make some tacos de lengua
and do some cabeza's also. . .ohhhh, I love cabeza! Who knows how to
dance el "Jarabe Tapetio?" Let's get a few piñatas (well one would be
enough. . .we don't want to go overboard do we???) and fall to the
ground like children scrambling for the dulces.

joseph


Arturo Ramos wrote:

Rosalinda:

I think you are going to be amazed at what Susana has put together. I
had bits and pieces of this family's history from the Sagrada Mitra but
she has been able to piece it all together amazingly well just from
those dispensations.

Erlinda:

Yes I think that Rosalinda and I are both Calderas, in that we are
descendants of Pedro Cid Caldera, who in turn was in turn, the nephew
of Miguel de Caldera.

Joseph,

I would like a copy.  If I can help with anything let me know.

Maria Cortez

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> 
> Francisco has been in communication with Mariano Gonzalez Leal and 
has 
> received permission to make copies of the book and send them to one 
> location in the US where they would be distributed to the 
indivduals 
> interested. I'm understanding that he is talking about the current 
> edition and that there is due out an update but I am not sure when.
> 
> If he is talking about the current edition how many of you would be 
> interested in a photocopied copy? Let me know so we can get an idea 
of 
> how much interest there is.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
>

Francisco has been in communication with Mariano Gonzalez Leal and has
received permission to make copies of the book and send them to one
location in the US where they would be distributed to the indivduals
interested. I'm understanding that he is talking about the current
edition and that there is due out an update but I am not sure when.

If he is talking about the current edition how many of you would be
interested in a photocopied copy? Let me know so we can get an idea of
how much interest there is.

thanks,

joseph

Susana
Like you, I have found films at FHL in SLC that were 'not what the
description said'.   One case was a film for Lagos de Moreno where the film
was only 'natural births' instead of as described as legitimate.  That was 6
years ago and it is still listed that way.   My sister and I have been
working on another film in Banamichi, Sonora, Mex and just where our
g-grandmother and g-aunt should have been, the film was totally faded, you
could only see slight pen scratches.  After many years of working with this
film, we thought to ask the window to please order another film since this
film was not readable.  They order it and it was in the next day and filed
in the 'overflow' section.  I took the old film back to the window
explaining that a better film was in the overflow section.  The LDS employee
said no problem, just file it in the regular section.  So I took a
post-a-note and attached it inside the box of the old film and noted that
there was a better copy in the overflow section.   This way if they decide
to toss one of them, hopefully it won't be the better copy.  I also put a
post-a-note inside the new film box noting that this was the better of two
copies.  This won't help those that order the film for FHCs, but it will
help those of us that get to the FHL in SLC.  

Reminder to all,
Joseph mentioned this before,  when you reply back to an e-mail, please do
those on Digest mode a BIG favor and delete all other e-mails before sending
out your reply.  It makes it much easier to read our messages.
Thanks

Kitty Chiono Cortez
Rocklin, CA

Message: 1         
   Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:38:59 -0800
   From: "Susana Leniski" <susyfarias@...>
Subject: Jerez, Zacatecas. La Inmaculada

To anyone researching in La Inmaculada/Jerez, Zacatecas

I have some information that can be valuable for anyone researching in Jerez

1. THE CASE OF THE 20-25 PAGES OF MARRIAGES

The first time I reviewed the film # 440059. Matrimonios 1712-1745. I
noticed that the film started in the middle of the book. I searched for the
missing pages until I found them. They are in the previous film. Film #
440058. Informacion Matrimonial 1961. Yes, you read right 1961. In this film
after the 1961 information, all the way at the end of the film.( You even
pass a section in "blank".) There is the first roll of film of marriages.
There are about 20-25 pages of the oldest marriages in microfilm for Jerez
(1712), part of the 1st book.I already spoke to the expert for

Francisco,

I'm unclear if you are saying you are authorized to make copies of the old edition or new edition to come. Please clarify. Thanks. Marge Vallazza:)

On Dec 14, 2005, at 8:10 AM, Francisco Martin wrote:

Hola Joseph:

 

Respecto a este libro, ya no esta disponible a la venta, ya que inclusive el mes pasado trate de conseguir unos con Mariano Gonzalez Leal, y me comento que ya ni el tiene. Pero esta por sacar una edicion nueva que consta de 5 tomos en los cuales viene mas amplia la informacion de la genealogia de los Altos de Jalisco.

 

Si gustan, el me autorizo a sacar copias, por si alguien desea, se los puedo volver a pedir y enviar un juego de copias alla y alguien de ustedes proporcionarlas a los demas integrantes del grupo.

 

Saludos

 

      Francisco Martin

 





Joseph Puentes <makas@...> wrote:

I would Like to maintain my membership past Jan.
31,2006

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Susana:

In addition to all of the missing films you mention, Leonardo de la 
Torre Berumen, the municipal archivist in Jerez tells me that most of 
the years for confirmations in the mid-1600s are also available and 
while these are not as comprehensive as the baptisms as children that 
die young, etc. were not confirmed, any children that survived and 
later got married and procreated would certainly be in there.

There are also a whole series of "hojas sueltas" from the old 
Franciscan Convent in Colotlan that were never filmed.  These are 
also from marriages, baptisms, burials in the mid-1600s.  Also would 
be great to break through these brick walls.

I am going to try to access the latter when I am down there next 
week.  I will inquire about getting to see the former.  Would be 
worthwhile to have them all filmed (and indexed).  Someone in the 
group mentioned that they had Benito Samuel Sanchez Garcia help them 
arrange filming of previously unfilmed records.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski" <susyfarias@c...> 
wrote:
>
> To anyone researching in La Inmaculada/Jerez, Zacatecas
> 
> I have some information that can be valuable for anyone researching 
in Jerez
> 
> 1. THE CASE OF THE 20-25 PAGES OF MARRIAGES
> 
> The first time I reviewed the film # 440059. Matrimonios 1712-1745. 
I noticed that the film started in the middle of the book. I searched 
for the missing pages until I found them. They are in the previous 
film. Film # 440058. Informacion Matrimonial 1961. Yes, you read 
right 1961. In this film after the 1961 information, all the way at 
the end of the film.( You even pass a section in "blank".) There is 
the first roll of film of marriages. There are about 20-25 pages of 
the oldest marriages in microfilm for Jerez (1712), part of the 1st 
book.I already spoke to the expert for Latin-American in the main 
Library in Utah (that was 2 years ago). I hope they will place a note 
in the Library Catalogue in the near future.
> 
> 2. THE CASE OF THE MISSING MICROFILMS
> 
> Recently I spoke over the phone to the person in charge of the 
archives in the Church La Inmaculada in Jerez, Zacatecas. He told me 
that the oldest Marriage that they have is 1697 and Marriage 
Information November 3, 1665. As we know in the LDS Library Catalogue 
the marriages start in 1712 (missing 15 years) and in Marriage 
Information 1789 (missing 124 years). He speculated that when they 

here is the link to Leticia Leon's family pictures:

http://mx.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/caleta58/album?.dir=/fb3f&.src=ph&.tok=phQuHFEBOdjJ0MS3

and here it the link to the above link within the Ranchos group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/links/Photos_Members_001118313212/

joseph

ps: other members should consider putting a few choice photos on a site
like this and putting the link to those pictures in this folder in the
"links" area. What do you think?

Susana, thank you so much for posting so much wonderful work with 
documentation.  My 2 Caldera lines are from El Durazno, district of 
Jerez with the records showing some of thier children moving to Boca 
De San Pedro.  I did not have a parent/parents for Nicolas Caldera/ 
Leonor Rodarte in my files, I thank you for that. 
I have only taken my direct Caldera lines of Andres Caldera, abt 1720, 
wife, Catarina Gertrudis De La Cueva, abt 1730 and Joseph Antonio del 
Carmen/Carmel Caldera abt 1735, wife Ana de la Trinidad Garcia abt 
1730. Even though I think they are related I have not been able to 
prove it.. Even though the records all say Espanol for these Caldera's 
I'm always looking for Indio's too.
thank you again, what a wonderful addition you are to the Rancho's 
group.
Linda in Everett