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   I WISH YOU AND ALL THE GROUP A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR! 



HOPE TO MEET YOU'ALL EITHER IN CALIFORNIA OR SALT LAKE CITY.



MICKEY GARCIA

Jos¨¦,

I admire your attitude and willingness to learn another language.  It's not easy and you are doing an excellent job.  I have not had a problem understanding your messages.  What comes across to me is that you are an educated person and have a lot to contribute.  The focus of this group is the exchange of genealogical data. With that thought in mind the important thing is to keep contributing in either language.  If you want to expand your knowledge of the English language in the process, then by all means continue to do so.  There are enough of us here who can help you with translations whenever you want.

Saludos desde California,

Maria Cortez


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> 
> Jos§Û Rom§Òn,
> 
> I agree your english is not perfect (neither is mine ask Marge 
> Vallazza), but I VERY VERY much agree that it takes tremedous courage to 
> jump into the middle of a primarily english speaking group and making an 
> effort like you are doing. I don't make that effort in the Spanish only 
> groups that are available. I should but don't. My thanks and 
> encouragement go to you and I hope you continue to communicate with the 
> group. John Gonzalez is a great member of the group and has helped me 
> when I needed translation work. The message I send out when people are 
> applying for group membership was fine tuned and polished by John. I 
> said all that so you receive his commentary on your english in the way I 
> know he meant it. . .with the heart of a person that wants to help.
> 
> I would like to help in anyway I can but my Spanish writing is worst 
> than my spoken Spanish and that means it's pretty bad. Hey you can ask 
> Marge Vallazza she knows that even my written English is bad as well. I 
> definitely didn't do well in English class in school. In fact when I was 
> 5 years old (or was it 6) in the beginning class (Kindergarten) I was 
> almost getting put in with the kids that were "mentally retarded" only 
> because I couldn't speak English, at that age I only spoke Spanish, but 
> look at me now and see how far I have come from those times. Let me call 
> you on the phone and we can fumble our way through a conversation but 
> I'm truly handicapped in my genealogical research by the loss of my 
> primary language skills.
> 
> I said all that to say that you should continue working on your English. 

I have not checked my email in a very long time, but this email caught my
eye right away.  Lorenzo de Miramontes is my ancestor so I am interested if
it mentions any of his immediate family, as well as the family of his
brothers, sisters, and/or his parents and other children.  

How would you send such a document?  Would it be a computer file or the
actual copy of the original manuscript?  I will pay you good moneyyou?re
your trouble.  Please send it to my email address:

PacoHernandez73@...

I now use this address way more than my aol.com account.  Today when I
logged on I had 427 email messages. I'm not kidding.

If you require my snail mail address then I will make that available to you
if necessary.  I am very interested.

Sincerely, 
Steven F. Hernández



-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Arturo Ramos
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:43 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Tlaltenango Census

If anybody is interested, I copied the transcription of a 1650 
Tlaltenango census this weekend that I can PDF and email to whomever 
would like it.  There is not much in terms of names... only the 
owners of the "estancias" are mentioned along with the number of 
people that inhabit each of the "estancias" but there is some 
interesting geographic, demographic, ethnographic and economic 
information in it.  The names that are mentioned include:

Antonio de Castro
Lorenzo de Miramontes
Tomasina de Haro
Hernando Lamas
Martin Gonzalez
Juan de Miramontes
Domingo de Lamas
Martin Tello de Orozaco
Martin Lopez
(los) Melendes
Francisco de Luna
Pedro de Solis
Antonio de Rivera
Luis Felix Delgado
Mencia (la vuida mulata libre)
Pedro Garcia de Morones
Pedro Lopez
Tomas Gonzalez
Bernave Sanchez
Antonio Miramontes
Francisco Bohorques
Diego Gregorio
Isabel Ruiz
Cristobal Cabral
Critobal Garcia Roldan
Felipe Diaz de Santiago
Nicolas de Haro
Tomas Vela
Martin Gonzalez
Lorenzo de Miramontes
(los) Munoces (Munoz)
Juan Figueroa








 
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Here is the translation of your "chiste" Jose.

The father of a wealthy family sends one of his older sons to the 
U.S. so that he could learn English.  The son went to one of the best 
schools in the country and after a while the father calls him and 
asks him, "So how is it going with your English?"  The son 
responds, "Gosh, Dad, I can't seem to learn English and I am 
forgetting my Spanish."  Then the Dad tells him anxiously, "Well you 
had better come back then son, lest you become a mute."

Agradecemos mucho que hagas el esfuerzo de escibirnos en ingles.  A 
mi me cuesta bastante escribir en espanol tambien, pero sigamos 
haciendolo como podamos y asi vamos mejorando, no...

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, José Román González López 
<jrgl01@y...> wrote:
>
> To the great fellow Joseph:
>    
>   Thanks for your message.
>    
>   I hope not to say in my e-Mail messages an incorrect expression, 
but I know that my English is very bad. Any way I don't like offend 
to anybody, I don't use "offensive words", and my intention is other. 
In my house, may mother did say me "te voy a quemar la boca" 
or "lavate esa bocota con jabón" when I, or my brothers and sisters 
said any bad word (maldiciones o groserías).
>    
>   I understand the John message in the correct way, his comment 
benefit me, because is for my future corrections. I will effort more 
to write correct English, I promise you.
>    
>   That you say of your experience learning English is very 
interesting. I relate you a funny account "chiste", I hope you can 
translate to the rest of the ranchos group:
>    
>   En una familia adinerada, el padre envió a uno de sus hijos 
mayores a Estados Unidos para que aprendiera bien el inglés, el hijo 
se fue a una de las mejores escuelas de allá, al poco tiempo el padre 
le habla por teléfono a su hijo y le dice "y ¿cómo te ha ido con tu 
inglés?" -El hijo le responde- "ay apá, fíjate que el inglés no lo 
logro aprender, y el español se me está olvidando", entonces el padre 
le dice apresuradamente "pos entonces rgrésate mijo, no te vayas a 
quedar mudo".
>    
>   Sincerely
>    
>   JRGL.
>   Mexico City.
>    
>   
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
>   
> José Román,
> 
> I agree your english is not perfect (neither is mine ask Marge 
Vallazza), but I VERY VERY much agree that it takes tremedous courage 
to jump into the middle of a primarily english speaking group and 

The translations below - because of the way they are written and the way they sound, seem to
come from a web translator.  My translator translates that way.  of course I do better but what's below gets the meaning across.  I had no problem understanding it.  I rather admire the principal fact that JRGL is brave enough and puts out  the effort to communicate with us any way he can. 

 

Elvira

 

readysetgo95814 wrote: --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote: > here is a picture of the Sacramento Ranchos Meet up. Not everyone in the > picture is a Ranchos Member but there were 8 members present: > if any others of those attending want to do a write up of the event > would be great. I drafted an agenda for our next meeting in March 2006.  I can e-mail you that and if you think others would be interested you can post it to the group.  Overall, I think it turned out very well.  We had a good turnout and the group may grow.  I've had others express an interest in attending the next meeting. absolutely great. . .I only wish I could be close by so I could attend. Please do get as many as possible to attend. Maybe you all could have one later just a little further South so that more members could attend. Or maybe the S. Cal members could get their own meet up going. how many are going to SLC in 2006? what were the dates again? thanks again, joseph ps: attached is that flyer. > > joseph > > ps: maybe next time you get together you can try to plan it around when > Debra Ortiz is in Sacramento. > I did neglect inviting Deborah to this meeting, but have since e-mailed her and invited her to the next mee --

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Thank you Emilie for talking about this subject. I find it 
heartwarming that so many group members are willing to share 
their 'extra' help in finding the records for our ancestors.  People 
who don't do genealogy find our passion for finding ancestors 
strange.  My sister said I am a genealogy addict, I told her I was 
just passionate about finding all those who got me here in this day 
and time.  There are times when I don't get much sleep because of 
dreams that ultimately open doors to more lines or names.

In doing records I find it's much easier to find the Spanish 
ancestors than the Indio or Mulato lines due to a lack of last names 
sometimes.  I found that my Espanol ancestor Guadalupe Mendez 
married a Mulato woman, Francisca Valencia in 1833.  Francisca 
haunted my dreams until I decided to pursue her lines. I took her 
Rolon ancestor back to about 1660 and found them in and out of 
slavery. I was proud when they were free in 1680 and inslaved again 
in 1715 with my "love child' direct ancestor, Georje Rolon, born to 
another female slave Gertrudis Antonia Alcaras. George married a 
Mestisa in 1738 so their children became free, I cried again. After 
doing all I could with this line the door for my Gutierrez ancestors 
opened and I was taken from Jalisco to Michoacan where I found 
hundreds of records taking that line back to about 1690..  I will 
never take those dreams lightly again.. If the ancestors want to 
help me rediscover our families heritage I will always be open to 
their help.  Doing genealogy is not just collecting names and dates, 
the history and stories that emerge from the records gives our 
ancestors a reality that makes me feel great joy and pain as their 
stories unfold.

Im my case I am the last generation that understands or speaks any 
Spanish at all and that is truly limited.  I feel with my genealogy 
work my decendants have a chance 100 years from now to understand  
the blood that flows through their veins. I do believe I was chosen 
to bring my families lines to light again, just as many of you have 
been  for your lines.
Linda in Everett