TEST SITE - DO NOT USE - Development only

We have a database out there of IGI and VRI batches.  I just added a 
column for people to post their name or userid who have the film on 
permanent loan at their local FHC who wouldn't mind doing lookups for 
others.  This could become very useful if we all add our film numbers 
to this database.  You can leave the batch number column blank and 
note 'film' in the source column if that particular film isn't on the 
IGI or VRI.

Maria

Anyone from Los Altos interested in asking Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal if
he might be interested in doing a short interview on his work? I think
it would be so interesting to have him just explain the different phases
his work has gone through from when he first started to now. Can you
imagine the many many people his works have helped. yup this is a great
interview waiting for an Alteño to make it happen.

joseph

readysetgo95814 wrote:

I am anxiously awaiting for
the new editions which the author (Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) is
working on presently. The first edition of Vol 1 & 2 are out of
print. I borrowed my copy from the California State Library.

Alicia,

I know you did't address your question to me but....

Here's a place where you can find more info.
http://www.genealogia.org.mx/modulos/prodDet.asp?id=5

Or you can try directrly at Luz Montejanos page:
http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/luzmontejano/

Other place where you might find it is Borderland Books

Saludos
Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> wrote:
>
> Rosalinda,
>  
> Where could I purchase this book, La Sagrada Mitra?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Alicia
> 
> lareina2@i... wrote:
> Hi group,
> 
> I just thought I would add that the Sagrada Mitra book costs $160. 
I purchased it a few months ago, and it is tremendously helpful and
interesting.  It has a lengthy index, and the entries summarize the
relationships between pretensos.  As a favor to the group, I would be
happy to do lookups of names.  The book focuses on the areas within
the archbishopric of Guadalajara, from the late 1600s until the early
1700s.  If you want me to look up a name for you, send me the complete
names of a couple (and parents if you know them), their location, and
approximate dates to my private email address.   I'll respond as soon
as possible.  The summaries briefly relate what is in the
dispensation, along with the FHC film number so you can look up the
actual document.
>  
> Rosalinda
>

Arturo,

Take a look at the following data.  As you can see this is all very
sketchy information but it is all I have right now on Pinedo. But is
is from the same places you're looking at.

Margarita Pinedo is my maternal great grandmother.  Please keep a note
of this just in case some of the same names come up in your research.


Ancestors of  Margarita Pinedo
First Generation

  1.  Margarita Pinedo, daughter of Anselmo Pinedo and Catarina
Serrano, was born about 1852 in El Salto, Jalisco, México.  

  Margarita married Loreto Villagrana, son of Rafael Villagrana and
María_Luisa Del Real, on 18 May 1874 in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas,
México.(1)  

  Children from this marriage were:

           i.  Julio Villagrana was born in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas,
México.  
          ii.  Severiano Villagrana was born in Monte Escobedo,
Zacatecas, México.  
         iii.  Vicente Villagrana was born in 1886 in Monte Escobedo,
Zacatecas, México and died in 1944 in San Martin de Bolaños, Jalisco,
México, at age 58.  
          iv.  María Villagrana.  
           v.  Maximiana Villagrana.  

                          Second Generation (Parents)

  2.  Anselmo Pinedo, son of Cruz_Tadeo Pinedo and María_Eustaquia
Sandobal, was born about 1818 in El Terrerito.  

  Anselmo married Catarina Serrano on 23 Feb 1843 in Monte Escobedo,
Zacatecas, México.(1)  

  Children from this marriage were:

           i.  Justo Pinedo was born in 1846.  
          ii.  Clemente Pinedo was born in 1849 in El Terrerito.  
         iii.  Margarita Pinedo
          iv.  Lorenza Pinedo was baptized on 10 Aug 1858 in
Tepetongo, Zacatecas, México.  

  3.  Catarina Serrano, daughter of Hipólito Serrano and Cayetana
Lopez, was born in 1821 in El Terrerito.  

  Catarina married Anselmo Pinedo on 23 Feb 1843 in Monte Escobedo,
Zacatecas, México.(1)  

                        Third Generation (Grandparents)

  4.  Cruz_Tadeo Pinedo, son of Manuel Pinedo and María_Josefa
Morillo, was born in Rancho Viejo.  

  Cruz_Tadeo married María_Eustaquia Sandobal on 25 Jan 1804 in Monte
Escobedo, Zacatecas, México.(2)  

  Children from this marriage were:

           i.  Anselmo Pinedo
          ii.  Marcos Pinedo was born in 1812 in El Terrerito.  

  5.  María_Eustaquia Sandobal, daughter of Gregorio Sandobal and
Micaela de Jesus, was born in El Terrerito.  

  María_Eustaquia married Cruz_Tadeo Pinedo on 25 Jan 1804 in Monte
Escobedo, Zacatecas, México.(2)  

  6.  Hipólito Serrano .  

Hi group,

I just thought I would add that the Sagrada Mitra book costs $160.  I purchased it a few months ago, and it is tremendously helpful and interesting.  It has a lengthy index, and the entries summarize the relationships between pretensos.  As a favor to the group, I would be happy to do lookups of names.  The book focuses on the areas within the archbishopric of Guadalajara, from the late 1600s until the early 1700s.  If you want me to look up a name for you, send me the complete names of a couple (and parents if you know them), their location, and approximate dates to my private email address.   I'll respond as soon as possible.  The summaries briefly relate what is in the dispensation, along with the FHC film number so you can look up the actual document.

 

Rosalinda

 

 

Here's Luz Montejano web page.  It isn't updated very frequently but
it has some information and an email address to write to her.

http://www.prodigyweb.net.mx/luzmontejano/

Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Rosalinda maybe later we can have you or someone interview the 
> Author Luz Montejano. . .do we have a volunteer for this project?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> lareina2@i... wrote:
> 
> > Hi group,
> >
> > I just thought I would add that the Sagrada Mitra book costs $160.  I 
> > purchased it a few months ago, and it is tremendously helpful and 
> > interesting.  It has a lengthy index, and the entries summarize the 
> > relationships between pretensos.  As a favor to the group, I would be 
> > happy to do lookups of names.  The book focuses on the areas within 
> > the archbishopric of Guadalajara, from the late 1600s until the early 
> > 1700s.  If you want me to look up a name for you, send me the
complete 
> > names of a couple (and parents if you know them), their location, and 
> > approximate dates to my private email address.   I'll respond as soon 
> > as possible.  The summaries briefly relate what is in the 
> > dispensation, along with the FHC film number so you can look up the 
> > actual document.
> >  
> > Rosalinda
> >  
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Arturo Ramos
> > Sent: Oct 10, 2005 11:29 AM
> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records
> >
> > Alicia:
> >
> > I must say I have been very lucky as well.  I actually started last
> > Spring, but like Maria, I had help from some relatives.  On my
> > maternal side, I have an aunt who has incredible memory and still
> > recalls the names and family history of her great-grandparents from
> > stories told to her as a child.  On my paternal side, my father was
> > made the keeper of family history when he was handed a pile of
> > documents by an uncle shortly before his death.  These two
> > repositories made it much easier to delve into the baptismal records
> > since I had good family information going back to the late 1800s.
> >

Thank you.


Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- lareina2@... wrote:


---------------------------------
Hi group,

I just thought I would add that the Sagrada Mitra book
costs $160.  I purchased it a few months ago, and it
is tremendously helpful and interesting.  It has a
lengthy index, and the entries summarize the
relationships between pretensos.  As a favor to the
group, I would be happy to do lookups of names.  The
book focuses on the areas within the archbishopric of
Guadalajara, from the late 1600s until the early
1700s.  If you want me to look up a name for you, send
me the complete names of a couple (and parents if you
know them), their location, and approximate dates to
my private email address.   I'll respond as soon as
possible.  The summaries briefly relate what is in the
dispensation, along with the FHC film number so you
can look up the actual document.
 
Rosalinda
 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arturo Ramos 
Sent: Oct 10, 2005 11:29 AM 
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Sagrada Mitra records 

Alicia:

I must say I have been very lucky as well.  I actually
started last 
Spring, but like Maria, I had help from some
relatives.  On my 
maternal side, I have an aunt who has incredible
memory and still 
recalls the names and family history of her
great-grandparents from 
stories told to her as a child.  On my paternal side,
my father was 
made the keeper of family history when he was handed a
pile of 
documents by an uncle shortly before his death.  These
two 
repositories made it much easier to delve into the
baptismal records 
since I had good family information going back to the
late 1800s.

The next piece of luck I had was that the main town
where I have been 
researching (Totatiche, Jalisco) has immaculate church
records... no 
missing books and all indexed in IGI and VRI.  Now
that I have 
started branching out more and more to other towns, I
realize that 
this is not the case everywhere.

Finally, my primas, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina,
from this group 
have helped me out a lot.  Also, the local histories
and genealogies 
that have been written up and the land documents and
censuses that 
have been transcribed by Esteban Valdes Salazar for
Totatiche have 
been very helpful.  I know that the easy part is now
over as the 
baptismal records end around 1700 for Totatiche and
Colotlan.

Also, my research has become a bit of an obsesion and
I spend every 

Alicia:

I must say I have been very lucky as well.  I actually started last 
Spring, but like Maria, I had help from some relatives.  On my 
maternal side, I have an aunt who has incredible memory and still 
recalls the names and family history of her great-grandparents from 
stories told to her as a child.  On my paternal side, my father was 
made the keeper of family history when he was handed a pile of 
documents by an uncle shortly before his death.  These two 
repositories made it much easier to delve into the baptismal records 
since I had good family information going back to the late 1800s.

The next piece of luck I had was that the main town where I have been 
researching (Totatiche, Jalisco) has immaculate church records... no 
missing books and all indexed in IGI and VRI.  Now that I have 
started branching out more and more to other towns, I realize that 
this is not the case everywhere.

Finally, my primas, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina, from this group 
have helped me out a lot.  Also, the local histories and genealogies 
that have been written up and the land documents and censuses that 
have been transcribed by Esteban Valdes Salazar for Totatiche have 
been very helpful.  I know that the easy part is now over as the 
baptismal records end around 1700 for Totatiche and Colotlan.

Also, my research has become a bit of an obsesion and I spend every 
other Saturday at the Family History Center and lots of free time 
doing research, filling in holes, etc.

Alicia, I had not heard of this Retonos de Espana book... I will have 
to look it up, though even the Library of Congress does not appear to 
have a copy.

Alberto, the Sagrada Mitra is a transcription of a large number of 
FHL/LDS films on marriage dispensations by the Bishphoric of New 
Galicia (which included the modern states of Jalisco, Nayarit, 
Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, Nuevo Leon, and Texas) in the 1600s and 
1700s, with a name index.  The FHL in Salt Lake City has a copy, but 
it is not on film.  I suggest you try to find a copy near you in a 
library... Alternatively you can order one from Borderlands Books.

http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/index.asp

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "readysetgo95814" <mcortez3@g...> 
wrote:
>
> Alicia,
> 
> I am one of those lucky ones who have gotten back that far.  The 
> thing that helped me is that one of my relatives had done some 

Alicia,

I am one of those lucky ones who have gotten back that far.  The 
thing that helped me is that one of my relatives had done some 
research prior to me starting mine.  She gave me copies of certified 
baptismal records for 5 generations back.  That helped with one of my 
grandparent's lineage.  Then, I delved into the Sagrada Mitra records 
and found one dispensa that gave me 5 generations for one couple.  
The dispensa is 24 pages long and includes interviews of at least 5 
individuals.  The marriage took place in 1735.  That dispensa gave me 
my big breakthrough when I borrowed a copy of Retoños de España en la 
Nueva Galicia and found several of my lines going back to the 
1500's!  Needless to say, that was a very exciting moment for me.  

I have several genealogy books, but in my opinion, there isn't a 
single book that is as comprehensive as Retoños (vol 2) for those of 
us researching roots in Nueva Galicia.  I am anxiously awaiting for 
the new editions which the author (Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) is 
working on presently.  The first edition of Vol 1 & 2 are out of 
print. I borrowed my copy from the California State Library.

I guess the moral of the story is: don't rely solely on microfilm for 
research.  Look for books containing published genealogies in your 
area of research and ask family members for whatever records they may 
have.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> wrote:
>
> Arturo,
>  
> I have to say congratulations, I'm very happy for you and at the 
same time a little envious of your accomplishments. How long have you 
been researching your ancestry that you have gotten this far back in 
time? I think for those of us who think we are not getting there as 
fast as we'd like or making as much progress as others seemingly are 
making, we'd like to know and get an approximate time of reference so 
as not to get too discouraged. We need a little encouragement. I not 
only put that question out to you but to the rest of the group.
>  
> Another question to the group is how many of you are doing lateral 
research. By lateral I mean across one time span say in a 50 year 
range. I'll give an example 1900-1950 which is where I'm focusing on 
now. This would include aunts and uncles, their children, spouses and 
descendants. For me at least it makes it very interesting to be able 
to put a face with the names. Another reason I'm doing this is 

Arturo:
I'm interested in finding more about Sagrada Mitra de
Guadalajara. Does it have website or files at the LDS?
 Please let me know.

Regards

Alberto Duarte Prieto



--- Arturo Ramos <arturo.ramos2@...> wrote:

> This weekend I looked through the Sagrada Mitra de
> Guadalajara (which 
> by the way is an incredible resource that everyone
> should look at if 
> you have traced your lineages going back as far as
> the 1700s) and made 
> a couple of breakthroughs.  These have taken my
> research to some new 
> towns, namely Mazapil, Zacatecas and Jerez (most
> likely the area around 
> Monte Escobedo) and I would like to find out who is
> doing research in 
> these places and any hints that would be useful.
> 
> The breakthroughs are as follows:
> 
> Juan Antonio ARANZAZU was born in 1696 in Mazapil,
> Zacatecas, 
> illegitimate son of Captain Antonio DE LA BARREDA
> and Isabel DE PIERO.  
> He later moved to Guadalajara, where he was raised
> and schooled by Sr. 
> Doctor Don Joseph DE MIRANDA VILLAYZAN of the
> Consejo de su Majestad, 
> Oidor de la Real Audiencia de Nueva Galicia.
> 
> (Juan) Joseph PINEDO GAMBOA was most likely born in
> Monte Escobedo and 
> baptized in Jerez circa 1700 (though I can't find
> his baptismal record 
> in VRI... looks like some years are missing), son of
> Lorenso PINEDO and 
> Josepha GAMBOA.  He later moved to Juanacatic,
> Totatiche, Jalisco and 
> he and his sons continued to marry into families
> from Monte Escobedo 
> (ROMERO and ROJAS)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



	
		
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This weekend I looked through the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara (which 
by the way is an incredible resource that everyone should look at if 
you have traced your lineages going back as far as the 1700s) and made 
a couple of breakthroughs.  These have taken my research to some new 
towns, namely Mazapil, Zacatecas and Jerez (most likely the area around 
Monte Escobedo) and I would like to find out who is doing research in 
these places and any hints that would be useful.

The breakthroughs are as follows:

Juan Antonio ARANZAZU was born in 1696 in Mazapil, Zacatecas, 
illegitimate son of Captain Antonio DE LA BARREDA and Isabel DE PIERO.  
He later moved to Guadalajara, where he was raised and schooled by Sr. 
Doctor Don Joseph DE MIRANDA VILLAYZAN of the Consejo de su Majestad, 
Oidor de la Real Audiencia de Nueva Galicia.

(Juan) Joseph PINEDO GAMBOA was most likely born in Monte Escobedo and 
baptized in Jerez circa 1700 (though I can't find his baptismal record 
in VRI... looks like some years are missing), son of Lorenso PINEDO and 
Josepha GAMBOA.  He later moved to Juanacatic, Totatiche, Jalisco and 
he and his sons continued to marry into families from Monte Escobedo 
(ROMERO and ROJAS)

Joseph:

There is a historian by the name of Esteban Valdes Salazar who has 
published his own family's genealogy as well as the genealogy of a 
number of priests and bishops from "our" town of Totatiche, including 
Saint Cristobal Magallanes.  He recently published the second volume 
of his History of Totatiche which includes transcriptions of the 
original land deeds by the Spanish crown and a very detailed census.

I know that Rosalinda has been in touch with him, and my parents who 
are now living part-time in Mexico, have met his on a number of 
ocassions.  He may be someone interesting to interview.  Let me know 
if you are interested and we can try to get in touch with him.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@y...> 
wrote:
>
> Joseph,
> 
> Just an opinion from a different perspective.  What I got from what
> Norma Angelica Mendoza Sandoval wrote is that they are currently
> struggling to launch their radio project and I really doubt that 
they
> would relinquish the privilege of making their debut with an
> unpublished material.
> 
> Maybe you can reformulate your proposal and offer them to upload 
their
> audio tapes some time "after" they have aired them first.  Make it
> very clear that you would give proper credits and add a link to 
their
> website, etc.
> 
> Victor
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Emilie Garcia wrote:
> > 
> > > So what did she say, Joseph?  Will she send you tapes or 
snippets of 
> > > their programming for your podcasts?
> > 
> > boy am I hoping she will but she hasn't written back yet. I just 
sent 
> > off the email to her yesterday. I'm hoping she is going to take 
my 
> > proposition to other decision makers in the group to consider the
> proposal.
> > 
> > >   That would be great if you can connect.  I can understand 
quite a 
> > > bit of Spanish, but can't think on my feet fast enough to speak 
it.  
> > > At least you give it a go, you are not shy.
> > 
> > I will try. . .if i can't get those that are fluent to help me
> interview 
> > in Spanish I'll do it, but people should be forwarned it will be 
like a 
> > 5 year old speaking to a grown up. let's see what 
happens. . .maybe
> good 

Joseph,

Just an opinion from a different perspective.  What I got from what
Norma Angelica Mendoza Sandoval wrote is that they are currently
struggling to launch their radio project and I really doubt that they
would relinquish the privilege of making their debut with an
unpublished material.

Maybe you can reformulate your proposal and offer them to upload their
audio tapes some time "after" they have aired them first.  Make it
very clear that you would give proper credits and add a link to their
website, etc.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Emilie Garcia wrote:
> 
> > So what did she say, Joseph?  Will she send you tapes or snippets of 
> > their programming for your podcasts?
> 
> boy am I hoping she will but she hasn't written back yet. I just sent 
> off the email to her yesterday. I'm hoping she is going to take my 
> proposition to other decision makers in the group to consider the
proposal.
> 
> >   That would be great if you can connect.  I can understand quite a 
> > bit of Spanish, but can't think on my feet fast enough to speak it.  
> > At least you give it a go, you are not shy.
> 
> I will try. . .if i can't get those that are fluent to help me
interview 
> in Spanish I'll do it, but people should be forwarned it will be like a 
> 5 year old speaking to a grown up. let's see what happens. . .maybe
good 
> things will come about and we can find talents bilingual folks 
> volunteering sometime soon.
> 
> thanks for your compliments and support. . .su abrazo recibido y otro a 
> tigo tambien
> 
> joseph
> 
> >   Nothing ventured nothing gained.  I am sure they appreciate your 
> > efforts to speak the language, and only the really mean people there 
> > will criticize your not having a full grasp of el Castellan.  That is 
> > why I said that you deserve a lot of credit for what you do.  You
keep 
> > coming up with so many ways to get information for us.  I send you un 
> > abrazo fuerte.  We all help others as you told me to continue doing, 
> > but we don't all have your talents in finding resources.
> >  
> > Emilie Garcia
> > Port Orchard, WA.
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Joseph Puentes <mailto:makas@n...>

Emilie,

The word "partido" has a lot of definitions. The one that applies here
is the following:

12. m. Distrito o territorio de una jurisdicción o administración que
tiene por cabeza un pueblo principal. (From the "Real Academia
Española" http://buscon.rae.es/diccionario/drae.htm)

You have to consider that the entry from "Diccionario Geográfico,
Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos." is an old one
and does not necessarily reflect current word usage.  Not even the
political divisions of the states and municipalities are guaranteed to
be the same today.  But being an old book and having old records is
what makes this resource valuable.

For the current political division of Zacatecas check the official web
page: http://www.zacatecas.gob.mx/  (Click "Estado" at the top menu
bar and then "Municipios" at the left side links.)  Indeed Jerez is
now an autonomous "Municipio".

Regards.
Victor Villarreal



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" <auntyemfaustus@h...>
wrote:
>
> Oh, thanks, Victor,
> 
> My ancestors must have been living in the Salitrillo that was in the
municipality of Tepetongo, partido de Jerez, since my father was born
in Jerez.  What is a partido?  I thought Jerez was a municipality, no?
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA  ----
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: v.h.villarreal<mailto:raices_regias@y...> 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com> 
>   Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 10:50 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Re: El Salitrillo, Zacatecas
> 
> 
>   Hello Emilie,
> 
>   Have you read the description of Salitrillo in the "Diccionario
>   Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos."
> 
>  
http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm<http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm>
> 
>   Salitrillo. 5 ranchos del Estado de Zacatecas: Uno del partido de
>   Fresnillo, municipalidad de Valparaíso. - Dos del partido de Jerez,

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Joseph,

I'd be happy to volunteer if no one else steps up to the plate with
regards to the Spanish language, although there are many in the group
who are much more polished and accomplished than myself.

(translation)
Joseph te ofrezco mis servicios como traductora de Ingles/español o
como representante del Grupo Ranchos para las entrevistas con persona
o personas de la lengua castellana. Te advierto de antemano que hay
otros integrantes del Grupo Ranchos con un español mucho mas pulido y
profesional que el mio.

Les reto a los otros integrantes que hablan mejor español, que alcen
la mano y se den de voluntarios antes de que meta yo la pata y deje en
verguenza a este grupo.

(translation)
I challenge the other Ranchos members who speak better spanish than
mine to raise your hand and volunteer before I stick foot in mouth and
shame the group.

You wouldn't be shaming the group. . .your Spanish from my perspective
appears to be great. Okay let me work on finding someone for you to
interview. Did you have someone in mind you would like to talk to? or a
particular subject? How about interviewing someone from your main area
of Research within our Target area. You know there is always that main
person who is considered the Town Historian. maybe we could find that
person in Nochistlan or Jalpa or Teocaltiche or Jalostitlan. that way
you would receive a double blessing. 1) you would know you were doing a
worthwhile project that has the potential to help many in their research
and 2) you would be talking to someone that can answer questions about
your personal research area. Everyone wins.

So of those 4 locations which would you like to concentrate on? or do
you have other thoughts?