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Mary Allen, do you have this record?

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International
Genealogical Index v5.0 
  Mexico 
PETRA ROMERO GONZALES  
  Female 
Event(s): 
 Birth:  
 Christening:  27 MAY 1872   Nuestro Padre Jesus,
Salinas Del Penon Blanco, San Luis Potosi, Mexico

Parents: 
  Father:  VICTOR ROMERO  Family 
  Mother:  REFUGIA GONZALES 

Source Information: 
 Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout
Call No.:  Type:  
 
Batch: K601881  1864 - 1875  Film #0708217  
 
Just Curious

Jose Munoz
Yuba City, Ca.


--- Mary Allen <mary.allen3770@...> wrote:

> Jonathan, you are so kind and encouraging.
>  
> I am especially concerned about my grandfather  Jose
> Adalberto Garana.  This is all I know about him:  
> He was born in 1873 in Mexico but I don't know
> where. I don't know his father's name but I believe
> his mother was Maria Garana. This leads me to
> believe that his father's name was something else. 
> He was educated by the Augustinians and the Jesuits.
>    He married Petra Romero Gonzalez of Salinas, SLP,
> probably in 1904 and lived in San Luis Potosi, SLP, 
> and had a son in 1905 and daughters in 1907 and
> 1911.  In 1917 he crossed through El Paso with his
> wife and three children and others hired to work on
> the Santa Fe railroad.  They went to Fort Madison,
> Iowa.  I find him again in 1921 in San Antonio, Tx. 
> He died in Corpus Christi, Tx in 1958.   
>  
> Of my great grandfather I have found even less. 
> Victor Romero married Refugio Gonzalez and had a
> daughter Petra Romero Gonzalez in 1873 in Salinas,
> SLP.  I have found a photo of him dated 1894 with a
> woman identified as his wife, who  is not Refugio
> Gonzalez.This much I know from Petra herself whom I
> knew.     That's it.  That's all I have been able to
> find out.
>  
> I am still digging but if you can help me I will be
> so grateful.  I found a photo of a nun, dated 1967. 
> I sent copies to my nun friends and one of them took
> the photo to Mexico City and actually found the nun,
> alive, alert and 93.  I am planning to go very soon
> to visit with her.  I believe she may be the child
> of the woman in the photo with Don Victor.  I will
> let you know what I find.
> 
> Mary Garana Allen
> mexicanfhr <jonathan@...> wrote:
> Mary,
> 
> If you could tell me, the names and what

great thanks and whose's films are those that don't have names in the
permanent loan column?

does anyone know?

joseph

ps: they look like mine but I didn't enter them so they aren't



Arturo Ramos wrote:

I have uploaded David Serna's and Rosalinda Ruiz's films to the
database. Most of them do not have batch numbers but they are listed
so you know who has them at their local FHL. I will try to add batch
numbers to them and try to upload Joseph's and some others as I have
time.

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Arturo, When I was in El Limon Jalisco in 2003 we went to the parish 
office and talked with the girl in the office who told us we could 
not look at the actual books even though they were on the shelf 
behind her.  The priest walked in and asked what family we were 
looking for? My cousin's husband was trying to find his Santana 
ancestors who turned out to be part of the priests family.  He asked 
what year and took out a book wrapped in plastic because it was 
frail.  We opened it and the pages started turning to dust and 
blowing away.  Needless to say we closed it immediately and thanked 
him for allowing us to try.  It's very dry there and no special 
precautions were taken to preserve the books.
We went to Tamazula de Gordiano Jalisco next and they were so busy 
that they gave very poor service telling us they tried but couldn't 
find the records.  They had no copy machine so would have to do a 
form letter for whatever information was found, came home and found 
the records at the local FHC.. 
In Jerez Zacatecas they didn't have a copy machine either but were 
willing to talk to my cousin who's Spanish was much better than 
mine. I found it was much easier to get the records at the FHC.  I 
didn't try to find land records or any other type of records though, 
that was beyond my abilities to read records. Our time was limited 
so I had to chose what to try to accomplish so I decided to enjoy 
the land and the people.
I hope you have better luck than I did.
Linda in Everett

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
wrote:
>
> I will be spending about three weeks this December and January in 
> Jalisco and Zacatecas and am hoping to make it to the parrishes in 
> Colotlan and Tlaltenango, perhaps Atolinga as well as the archives 
in 
> Guadalajara...
> 
> Question... has anyone ever asked to see the actual books held at 
the 
> parrishes?  I am thinking of asking to photograph some of them, 
but 
> don't know how well that would go over.
> 
> Any tips would be appreciated.  I am also going to try to do an 
> interview with Esteban Valdes Salazar who has published some very 
good 
> genealogy and history books on Totatiche.  He is the 
local "cronista" 
> and has obviously spent lots of time pouring over old archival 
> documents, including the transcription of the 1591 census of 
Tlaxcaltec 
> migrants to Colotlan and the entire 1770 Totatiche census (over 
3000 

For how long, the films stay at the FHC, depends on the Center. 
Especially, on how much room, they have.  Some centers, once the films
 go on indefinite loan, they stay forever.  Others stay until, the
center decides to send, them back.  That is why it is called "Indinite 
Loan".  In my center, thay stay forever,  I have not had a indefinite
loan film, go back to Salt Lake.

Also, in some centers, they have film copiers and scanners, where you
can make your own copies, of the documents, that you want.

If you have more questions, let them fly.  I am sure that between all
of us here in the Ranchos group & the Mexicanfhr group, we can find a
answer, for you.

Thanks,
Jonathan


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
> 
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time. 
When I go
> to the FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in
from SLC, I
> look through them at the center using their equipment, request copies of
> certain documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?
 Do you
> have these microfilms in your possession?  (wow!)  Does it cost more?
> 
> I've been reading the posts but haven't done any research (studying
for a
> civil service test....), but I always like to read the entries.  I'm so
> lost...what's the deal with these podcast and who are the people being
> interviewed?  If I can't participate in the podcast, are there
transcripts?
> What information is being given here?  Sorry about all these
questions, but
> after studying for that test, becoming a shop steward for my work's
union
> and almost going on strike, I haven't been really up on things.
> 
> I have lots more questions, but I feel like I'm coming off
"whiny"...sorry.
> 
> Signed
> 
> Wannabe Genealogists, Peggy Delgado
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> Joseph Puentes
>   Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:34 AM
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
> 
> 
>   If you are using Excel then why can't it be that we all create Excel

Mary,

If you could tell me, the names and what information, that you have on
the grandfathers, that you are searching for.  I'll see if I can find
anything.

Also, to all of the Ranchos members,  if you have elusive ancestor,
send me the information.  And I will see, if I can find anything.

Thanks,
Jonathan


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen <mary.allen3770@s...> wrote:
>
> Hello, Jonathan:  I am one of the newer members, not only in Ranchos
but in the whole genealogy experience itself. I have been working
steadily for about nine years and made a lot of "progress" but was
striking out in all directions and actually don't even know if I was
running into ancestors or not.  Then I ran into Ranchos and it put the
whole thing into focus.  Now I am rather excited because by sending
out copies of an unidentified photo, I actually have my first "hit".
It is a living person, 93 years old, who is the granddaughter of the
very man I was looking up.  I may really need some help later but in a
couple of weeks I am flying to Mexico City to meet this person who is
willing to receive me.  I will see what she can give me; I understand
she is very alert.    I definitely will need help with the other
grandfather who absolutely hides from  me:  The secret may be in Salt
Lake City.   I have ordered some of the films, waited a very long time
to receive them only to realize I
>  had not been careful in calculating the time line.
> I read every e-mail emanating from Ranchos and  you  with relish! 
It is almost as if I am sitting on the sidelines listening to you
speak to each other.  Exciting.   One day I hope to have something to
say.     Mary Garana Allen
> 
> mexicanfhr <jonathan@m...> wrote:
> Sorry, for the confusion, that my uploading of my file has caused.  I
> created my file, with wordperfect (meaning, that I have never used
> excel yet.)  I just wanted to share with the group, what films and
> other resources, that the FHC, here in Logan has.  Because I only do
> about 25% of my research, that the Logan Family History Center.  The
> other 75% of my research, is done at the Family History Library, in
> Salt Lake.  so, in reality, I have access, to all the films that the
> Family History Library has, and it does not cost me anything, to order
> them.
> 
> Thus saying that, I can say if, anyone needs a occasional lookup, they

I have uploaded David Serna's and Rosalinda Ruiz's films to the 
database.  Most of them do not have batch numbers but they are listed 
so you know who has them at their local FHL.  I will try to add batch 
numbers to them and try to upload Joseph's and some others as I have 
time.

I will be spending about three weeks this December and January in 
Jalisco and Zacatecas and am hoping to make it to the parrishes in 
Colotlan and Tlaltenango, perhaps Atolinga as well as the archives in 
Guadalajara...

Question... has anyone ever asked to see the actual books held at the 
parrishes?  I am thinking of asking to photograph some of them, but 
don't know how well that would go over.

Any tips would be appreciated.  I am also going to try to do an 
interview with Esteban Valdes Salazar who has published some very good 
genealogy and history books on Totatiche.  He is the local "cronista" 
and has obviously spent lots of time pouring over old archival 
documents, including the transcription of the 1591 census of Tlaxcaltec 
migrants to Colotlan and the entire 1770 Totatiche census (over 3000 
names).  So if there are any questions anyone would like to ask, please 
let me know.

Peggy,

I understand your feelings.  The nearest FHC for me usually opens only
on Saturdays and just for three hours.  It has 2 projectors but only
one is in working order.  On my last visit I was shown a letter where
they were asking for the films I haven't even reviewed to be sent
back.  At this rate it'll take at least a couple of lives to find all
my ancestors.  jah!  Maybe I'll find myself in the next life!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
> 
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time. 
When I go
> to the FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in
from SLC, I
> look through them at the center using their equipment, request copies of
> certain documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing wrong?
 Do you
> have these microfilms in your possession?  (wow!)  Does it cost more?
> 
> I've been reading the posts but haven't done any research (studying
for a
> civil service test....), but I always like to read the entries.  I'm so
> lost...what's the deal with these podcast and who are the people being
> interviewed?  If I can't participate in the podcast, are there
transcripts?
> What information is being given here?  Sorry about all these
questions, but
> after studying for that test, becoming a shop steward for my work's
union
> and almost going on strike, I haven't been really up on things.
> 
> I have lots more questions, but I feel like I'm coming off
"whiny"...sorry.
> 
> Signed
> 
> Wannabe Genealogists, Peggy Delgado
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> Joseph Puentes
>   Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:34 AM
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [ranchos] Jonathan's Film File-was-file uploaded to ranchos
> 
> 
>   If you are using Excel then why can't it be that we all create Excel
>   files and upload them once into the files area. It seems that
asking you
>   to do double the work by re-entering them into the database in Ranchos
>   is punishment for a good deed. then again maybe I'm missing something.

                   hope I helped,     

                              Leticia

Does anyone know where I might find a history of la Parroquia de
Rincón de Romos and also of the Parroquia San José de Gracia?

I understand that for awhile there was an auxiliary San José parish
separated out of the main San José parish. It also seems that the
parochial jurisdictions changed over the years. I would like to be
able to decipher what belonged to what, and when, and how they
correlated with the civil jurisdictions.



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Oh, my gosh, Connie,

I was in El Paso for 2 days as of the 11th and just left this morning! I went to visit my sisters, one of whom is recuperating in a hospital! Wow! How interesting it would have been to talk on the phone a wee bit. Marge:)

On Oct 11, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Connie Dominguez wrote:

Peggy:

We don't literally "have" the films in our possession... rather, they 
are at our local family history center on "indefinite" loan.  They 
put films into such a status when someone has renewed the same film 
three times... basically meaning it is a critical or heavy use film 
in that family history center.  I personally don't have any on such 
status but people who have been at this a lot do... After all it is 
only $12 to get a film to stay at your center... it is worth it.

Podcasts are audio clips that can be downloaded to your computer to 
be listened to and if you like they can be synchronized to an iPod to 
listen to on your way to work, etc.  If you don't have an iPod you 
can still listen to them on your computer.

Check out this link for more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado" <peggydee@c...> wrote:
>
> Good Afternoon fellow researchers....
> 
> I have a really silly question.  Do you members have the actual 
microfilms
> that you refer to in this message?
> How is it that you can get them for such a long period of time.  
When I go
> to the FHC, I only get them for a couple of weeks.  They come in 
from SLC, I
> look through them at the center using their equipment, request 
copies of
> certain documents, then they get sent back.  What am I doing 
wrong?  Do you
> have these microfilms in your possession?  (wow!)  Does it cost 
more?
> 
> I've been reading the posts but haven't done any research (studying 
for a
> civil service test....), but I always like to read the entries.  
I'm so
> lost...what's the deal with these podcast and who are the people 
being
> interviewed?  If I can't participate in the podcast, are there 
transcripts?
> What information is being given here?  Sorry about all these 
questions, but
> after studying for that test, becoming a shop steward for my work's 
union
> and almost going on strike, I haven't been really up on things.
> 
> I have lots more questions, but I feel like I'm coming 
off "whiny"...sorry.
> 
> Signed
> 
> Wannabe Genealogists, Peggy Delgado
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On 
Behalf Of
> Joseph Puentes
>   Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 1:34 AM

You guys are too quick for me!  Yes, Joseph that is the point of the 
database--to have a single source of all the info and not have to 
have it repeated in several different files. Yes, a lookup means 
getting a scanned image of a document for another member provided 
they give you the film number, date and full names.  I think that we 
multiply the number of films we all have access to at one time by 
helping one another out to further our research.  I don't get to my 
FHC often either, but if I can help anyone I would be happy to do so.

As Arturo points out, the database has the advantage of allowing you 
to import and export into it.  

You've been reminding us about how we're running out of space in the 
files area, so I thought the database would help with that problem. 
Or does the data we put into the databases add to the amount of space 
alotted for files?  Even if it does, I would imagine that doing away 
with redundancy would help a little.

Thanks Arturo for your great suggestions and help with Joseph's 
files.  I will make a change to allow all members edit access.

Maria

p.s. We have one column left.  I was thinking the years covered would 
be a good use for that column.  Thoughts?

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> 
wrote:
>
> If you have an Excel file that has all of the info, it should be 
> fairly easy to import it into the database.  I pretty much did that 
> for the Totatiche and Colotlan films, which I had in an Excel 
file.  
> I will look at your file Joseph and let you know if there is 
anything 
> else that I would need to put your files into the database.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I'm sorry Maria but I think I'm finally getting the point. The 
> database 
> > would be one database where we all have our films in one file so 
> anyone 
> > could then easily look at it rather than look at each individuals 
> list 
> > for the film they are hunting for.
> > 
> > Well Can't this be done by cutting and pasting from one Excel 
file 
> to 
> > the next?
> > 
> > I've updated my film list by putting up a very ugly Excel file in 
> the 
> > Ranchos2 files area.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > joseph
> >
>

For those of you, who want copies of the material.  Please send me
your mailing address. To me private email: jonathan@...

Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
>
> For those of you who are too far west to have made it to the Hispanic 
> Genealogy Symposium at the National Archives, the Family History Center 
> and BYU are hosting a similar conference this weekend:
> 
> http://familyhistory.byu.edu/hg_conf.asp
>

Here is a website, that has several Family trees, from Mexico and Spain:
http://www.bisabuelos.com/

Jonathan