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I don't think of genealogy an illness. I think it's more of desire to know about ourselves and we just get carried away to the exclusion of all else.

Marge:)

On Aug 28, 2005, at 5:15 PM, lili pinzon wrote:

I suggest this question: is there any project in the school fields 
to promote or to motive children an young teens and adults to look 
for names and history of ancestor? If not, would it not be 
interesting and fruitfull for every body in the future? cause I ask 
my self from where I acquired this obsesion illness? 

-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@y...> 
wrote:
> Joseph,
> 
> I just heard your latest interview with Rosalinda Ruiz and it keeps
> getting better.  Thanks!
> 
> Now everytime I read one of your posts I can hear your voice in my
> head.. :~)
> 
> About your request for questions to ask Mr. Ryskamp, I was curious 
to
> know if there are any kind of statistics or failure/success rates 
for
> genealogy researchers in terms of generations count.  In other 
words,
> what can the average genealogist realistically expect to found from
> available sources.
> 
> Victor
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> > 
> > Okay I think I will be able to go to the Hispanic Genealogy
> Symposium to 
> > record the featured speaker, George Ryskamp.
> > 
> > I would like the Ranchos community to give me some feed back on 
this:
> > 
> > What questions would you ask a researcher of the caliber of 
George 
> > Ryskamp? Seems that I should ask him something that would 
benefit those 
> > that have gone well beyond the beginning stages of research and 
are in 
> > the mid to advanced stages of their studies. what do you 
think????
> > 
> > any suggestions would help get my game plan together if there an 
> > additional opportunity presents itself for me to interview him 
for the 
> > http://NuestrosRanchos.net podcast interview series.
> > 
> > joseph

Joseph,

I just heard your latest interview with Rosalinda Ruiz and it keeps
getting better.  Thanks!

Now everytime I read one of your posts I can hear your voice in my
head.. :~)

About your request for questions to ask Mr. Ryskamp, I was curious to
know if there are any kind of statistics or failure/success rates for
genealogy researchers in terms of generations count.  In other words,
what can the average genealogist realistically expect to found from
available sources.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> Okay I think I will be able to go to the Hispanic Genealogy
Symposium to 
> record the featured speaker, George Ryskamp.
> 
> I would like the Ranchos community to give me some feed back on this:
> 
> What questions would you ask a researcher of the caliber of George 
> Ryskamp? Seems that I should ask him something that would benefit those 
> that have gone well beyond the beginning stages of research and are in 
> the mid to advanced stages of their studies. what do you think????
> 
> any suggestions would help get my game plan together if there an 
> additional opportunity presents itself for me to interview him for the 
> http://NuestrosRanchos.net podcast interview series.
> 
> joseph

Okay I think I will be able to go to the Hispanic Genealogy Symposium to
record the featured speaker, George Ryskamp.

I would like the Ranchos community to give me some feed back on this:

What questions would you ask a researcher of the caliber of George
Ryskamp? Seems that I should ask him something that would benefit those
that have gone well beyond the beginning stages of research and are in
the mid to advanced stages of their studies. what do you think????

any suggestions would help get my game plan together if there an
additional opportunity presents itself for me to interview him for the
http://NuestrosRanchos.net podcast interview series.

joseph

The Nuestros Ranchos Podcast Interview Series

I would like to invite everyone to go to http://NuestrosRanchos.net and
listen to my new Podcast series.

Read the first paragraph under "Nuestros Ranchos Podcast" for
instructions how to listen. After familiarizing yourself with podcasts
scroll down the page to hear interviews with Mimi Lozano of Somos
Primos, Gary Felix of the Mexico DNA project and Rosalinda Ruiz a
descendant of Juan Fernandez de Cordoba the Governor of Nueva Vizcaya.

have a listen and please lend me your feedback,

Joseph Puentes
http://NuestrosRanchos.net
LaFamilia@...
206-339-4134

Poor Mexico.....
Because of such poor leaders as Santa Ana, including
many others after him, Mexico remains a 3rd world
country. We, 25 million Mexicans and Mexican-Americans
in the U.S., are living proof of Mexico's economic and
political failures.

Alberto Duarte Prieto.

--- "v.h.villarreal" <raices_regias@...>
wrote:

> Very interesting information, Joseph.
> 
> Although the ecclesiastical divisions didn't
> strictly follow the lines
> that eventually became the political division of the
> States.
> 
> An interesting bit of history is that Aguascalientes
> used to be part
> of the State of Zacatecas until the early to mid
> 1800s, when Santa Ana
> granted its independence as a sovereign State and a
> way to punish some
> political opponents he had in Zacatecas.
> 
>
http://omega.ilce.edu.mx:3000/sites/estados/libros/aguas/html/sec_25.html
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes
> <makas@n...> wrote:
> > Well I'm not sure I understand it all but here is
> a quote from Dr.
> Lyman 
> > Platt's book, "Mexico, General Guide:
> Ecclesiastical Divisions."
> Lots of 
> > details in the book:
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Alicia,

If you refer to the E-journal articles, these are part of a series of
publications by the "UNAM" which generally are very well documented
and have an extensive bibliography.

Check the following link to see all editions related to New Spain
History:  http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/histnovo_index.html
Click on the cover of any edition to see a table of contents.

Victor Villarreal
Reynosa, MX.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> wrote:
> Victor,
>  
> Thank you so much for the links to these very interesting articles.
Many of these articles appear to have different authors/writers. As
far as you know are these articles extrapolated from history books or
other text books and if so would you happen to know which ones?
>  
> Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca
> 

Very interesting information, Joseph.

Although the ecclesiastical divisions didn't strictly follow the lines
that eventually became the political division of the States.

An interesting bit of history is that Aguascalientes used to be part
of the State of Zacatecas until the early to mid 1800s, when Santa Ana
granted its independence as a sovereign State and a way to punish some
political opponents he had in Zacatecas.

http://omega.ilce.edu.mx:3000/sites/estados/libros/aguas/html/sec_25.html

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> Well I'm not sure I understand it all but here is a quote from Dr.
Lyman 
> Platt's book, "Mexico, General Guide: Ecclesiastical Divisions."
Lots of 
> details in the book:
> 

Alicia,

You can find Trancoso in the map if you look a little to the southeast
of Zacatecas city.  (About 20 km.)

These are the main places that I have listed in the files section:
Totatiche, Villa Guerrero, Monte Escobedo and Colotlán.  But there a
few others like Tlaltenango, El Limón, El Salitre, Rancho Viejo, El
Terrerito, Unión de San Antonio, San Juan de los Lagos and now Ojo
Caliente and Trancoso.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo <alliecar@p...> wrote:
> Victor,
>  
> I looked for your name in who's who to see what other ranchos/areas
you were researching aside from ojo caliente and Trancoso as you
listed below and I couldn't find you there. I know that many places
such as states have ranchos that have the same name and I wanted to
see if your Trancoso would be the same as I've heard mentioned in my
family.
>  
> While I don't have Trancoso listed in my areas of research, only
because I don't have any data to support that yet. Do you know where
your Trancoso Zacatecas lies? Close to what locality.
>  
> Muchas Gracias...........Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca
> 

Totatiche only... though I believe that all parishes in the bishphoric of Guadalajara were 
instructed to conduct full censuses that year.  I see censuses for Tlaltenango around that 
time but not Colotlan in the FHL catalog.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Arturo Ramos wrote:
> 
> >Prior to the foundation of the parrish of San Luis Obispo in Colotlan 
> >c. 1720, the Franciscans ran a convent (monestary) in the city, where 
> >marriages and baptisms were performed.  Apparently, there are archives 
> >of the convent, as they are quoted in Esteban Valdes Salazar's book 
> >Historia de Totatiche, Tomo II... which by the way is invaluable, since 
> >it has a transcritption of the entire 1770 census
> >
> was that the census for the Totatiche area only? or did it include Colotlan?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> > as well as 
> >transcriptions of the major land transactions that occured in the area 
> >through that period, so that one can plot out the ownership of the land 
> >and superimpose the residents on each of those plots.
> >
> >Does anybody have any information on these Colotlan Franciscan archives?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >

Arturo Ramos wrote:

Prior to the foundation of the parrish of San Luis Obispo in Colotlan
c. 1720, the Franciscans ran a convent (monestary) in the city, where
marriages and baptisms were performed. Apparently, there are archives
of the convent, as they are quoted in Esteban Valdes Salazar's book
Historia de Totatiche, Tomo II... which by the way is invaluable, since
it has a transcritption of the entire 1770 census

was that the census for the Totatiche area only? or did it include Colotlan?

thanks,

joseph

as well as
transcriptions of the major land transactions that occured in the area
through that period, so that one can plot out the ownership of the land
and superimpose the residents on each of those plots.

Does anybody have any information on these Colotlan Franciscan archives?






Yahoo! Groups Links

Zacatecas was never part of Jalisco.  It was a seperate intendency 
since before Mexican independence and in fact, I believe it was 
actually never even part of Nueva Galicia, but rather was settled 
before Nunez de Guzman conquered what later became Nueva Galicia (which 
comprised the modern states of Jalisco, Nayarit and Sinaloa).  
Nochistlan, the oldest Spanish settlement in Zacatecas dates from 1531.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/mexico.html

http://www.e-local.gob.mx/work/templates/enciclo/zacatecas/hist.htm

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Natalie" <nc_coleman@y...> wrote:
> or an historical geography lesson (not sure which), and I'm not sure 
> where/how to find the information. My question is - were Jalisco and 
> Zacatecas established at the same time as political jurisdictions, or 
> was one a part of the other first? If so, when were they separated?
> Any clues or sources greatly appreciated. Mil gracias.
> 
> Natalie in VA

Hello All,

I just added two new localities to my search in Zacatecas:  Ojo
Caliente and Trancoso.  The starting surnames are Alvarado and Colunga.

Anyone?
Victor

"El Archivo Franciscano" is found at the National Library in México.
Part of it is also found at the Public Library of Guadalajara.

Here's an interesting document (In Spanish):
http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn09/EHN00907.pdf

In "Colecciones Mexicanas" from the "Universidad Nacional Autónoma de
México" there's a link to "Archivo Franciscano"
http://www.coleccionesmexicanas.unam.mx/

HIH


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> Prior to the foundation of the parrish of San Luis Obispo in Colotlan
> c. 1720, the Franciscans ran a convent (monestary) in the city, where
> marriages and baptisms were performed.  Apparently, there are
archives
> of the convent, as they are quoted in Esteban Valdes Salazar's book
> Historia de Totatiche, Tomo II... which by the way is invaluable, since
> it has a transcritption of the entire 1770 census as well as
> transcriptions of the major land transactions that occured in the area
> through that period, so that one can plot out the ownership of the land
> and superimpose the residents on each of those plots.
>
> Does anybody have any information on these Colotlan Franciscan archives?

or an historical geography lesson (not sure which), and I'm not sure 
where/how to find the information. My question is - were Jalisco and 
Zacatecas established at the same time as political jurisdictions, or 
was one a part of the other first? If so, when were they separated?
Any clues or sources greatly appreciated. Mil gracias.

Natalie in VA

"El Archivo Franciscano" is found at the National Library in México. 
Part of it is also found at the Public Library of Guadalajara.

Here's an interesting document (In Spanish):
http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn09/EHN00907.pdf

In "Colecciones Mexicanas" from the "Universidad Nacional Autónoma de
México" there's a link to "Archivo Franciscano"
http://www.coleccionesmexicanas.unam.mx/

HIH


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos" <arturo.ramos2@v...> wrote:
> Prior to the foundation of the parrish of San Luis Obispo in Colotlan 
> c. 1720, the Franciscans ran a convent (monestary) in the city, where 
> marriages and baptisms were performed.  Apparently, there are archives 
> of the convent, as they are quoted in Esteban Valdes Salazar's book 
> Historia de Totatiche, Tomo II... which by the way is invaluable, since 
> it has a transcritption of the entire 1770 census as well as 
> transcriptions of the major land transactions that occured in the area 
> through that period, so that one can plot out the ownership of the land 
> and superimpose the residents on each of those plots.
> 
> Does anybody have any information on these Colotlan Franciscan archives?

Prior to the foundation of the parrish of San Luis Obispo in Colotlan 
c. 1720, the Franciscans ran a convent (monestary) in the city, where 
marriages and baptisms were performed.  Apparently, there are archives 
of the convent, as they are quoted in Esteban Valdes Salazar's book 
Historia de Totatiche, Tomo II... which by the way is invaluable, since 
it has a transcritption of the entire 1770 census as well as 
transcriptions of the major land transactions that occured in the area 
through that period, so that one can plot out the ownership of the land 
and superimpose the residents on each of those plots.

Does anybody have any information on these Colotlan Franciscan archives?

Hello All,

I just added two new localities to my search in Zacatecas:  Ojo
Caliente and Trancoso.  The starting surnames are Alvarado and Colunga.

Anyone?
Victor

Hello:



Yes, to Lyman's work.



I will try the scan, okay.



Mickey