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joseph
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Dear Associates and Fellow Members:

The following notes are rules of thumb for International Genealogical
Index (IGI) searches in Mexico. (© 2000 by John P. Schmal, JohnnyPJ@...).
The IGI is a dynamic database that can be of tremendous help in locating Mexican
ancestors between 1700 and 1880. It has a filter, so that you can limit
your search to particular states.

1. Don't be confused by spelling. The IGI groups together similar
sounding surnames through soundexing. Spelling is the least reliable
indicator in Mexican genealogy. A surname that is spelled one way in
1800 may be spelled differently in 1850. Robalcaba may be spelled
several ways: Rubalcaba, Rubalcava, Robalacaba, Robalcava.

2. Always consider how close your locality is to the nearest state
boundary. People moved around. They may be in Sinaloa in one generation
and in nearby Sonora in the next generation.

3. Always consider using Jose and Maria in front of given names, when
searching for baptism and marriage records, especially if you are unable
to locate your ancestors under their assumed given names. Thus, if you
are looking for Matias Calvillo, born in 1850, also try searching for
Jose (Matias) Calvillo.

4. When putting in a date, make it about five to ten years before the
assumed date of baptism or marriage.

5. Always remember that people are not always born where you thought
they were. They might be born twenty miles away in another town. Don't
rule out anyone just because they aren't listed in the exact town where
you expected to find them. Sometimes we are constrained by the knowledge
we have because it leads us to reject new information (that may be correct).

Hello, Gloria. To be honest with you, I was not sure where Autlan de 
la Grana was, but I assumed that it was close to Autlan de Navarro. 
Well, I did some extra google 'research' and found out where Autlan 
de la Grana actually is. Autlan de la Grana is not only close to 
Autlan de Navarro, but IT IS actually Autlan de Navarro. How old is 
your great-grandparents notebook? The town's original name was 
Autlan de la Grana, but according to a page that I read, it changed 
to Autlan de Navarro on July 27, 1939 to honor General Paulino 
Navarro. Even though the name of some communities oficially change, 
some people still use the old name. 
This has nothing to do with your question, but just as a curious 
fact, I noticed that my Apodaca ancestors have lived for at least 
two centuries in a small town in Jalisco called Santa Catarina. If 
someone knows that his/hers own ancestors are from Santa Catarina, 
but does not know where this village is, he/she will never find it 
on a current map. Thank God, I know where the place is, and know 
that the two barrios of Santa Catarina were oficially renamed as 
Benito Juarez and General Andres Figueroa after the Cristero War. 
Even though Santa Catarina Jalisco does not exist in the oficial 
maps, everybody from that area still use that name, and rarely, very 
rarely, they use the official name "General Andres Figueroa". I 
write this because I have a somewhat detailed map of Jalisco, and 
was looking around Autlan de Navarro for Autlan de la Grana when I 
saw your message. I could not find la Grana on the map and finally I 
gave up, but I found the actual place on the internet. This is the 
webpage where I saw the information about the name.

http://mx.geocities.com/ideasudeg/grana.html

I hope this helps.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Gloria Delgado <gloriad@j...> wrote:
> I'm sure someone in this group has an answer to my question - 
where 
> exactly is  Autlan de la Grana?  Is it near Autlan de Navarro, and 
are 
> both Autlans  part of the larger city?  And how old is Autlan de 
la 
> Grana?  The only thing I can find out from the internet is that it 
has 
> a bullring!
> 
> A notebook that belonged to my great-grandparents noted that four 
of 
> their children were born there (ZARAGOZA & CASTILLO surnames).
> 
> I'd be grateful for any help or history.
> 
> Gloria

My name is Steve Campos and I am researching my father's line
from 
El Cargadero, Jerez, Zacatecas.

The family names that I have found so far are Acuña, Arredondo, 
Campos, Carrillo, Fernandez, Miranda, Ortiz, Ramires, and Ubillos.

I have a web site at http://home.earthlink.net/~jerez that contains 
the basics of my research.  I am over 3,200 people in my direct line 
family and over 10,000 people in my database.  I have collected 
information on all of the family names in the Jerez microfilms that 
I am researching, from the LDS church, in hopes of making a 
connection some day.  In doing this kind of research I have been 
able to go from less than 100 people to the 3,200 people just by 
finding the right connection.

It has taken several months to collect the data that I have so far.  
With the church records being handwritten it sometimes takes a 
little while to figure out what the priest was writing.  It is also 
been a challenge to determine correct spelling on some of the 
names.  It seems that the priests that served Jerez were not always 
Spanish as I am finding a lot of names spelled using Portuguese 
spellings.  This explains why I have names like Ramirez and Ramires 
or Ortiz and Ortis.  The "z" being Spanish and the "s" being 
Portuguese.  

I have completed 5 reels of microfilm to get to where I am today.  I 
am currently working on 2 more reels but find it hard to go to the 
FHC when the weather is so nice.  By mid-summer I will be back in 
the FHC. 

In April 2003 my wife and I were in Jerez doing research and found 
that the church records in Jerez have NOT been filmed.  The 
archivist in Jerez, when he started work there, found the records in 
a pile in the corner of the building.  There were rats living in the 
pile so some of the pages were destroyed.  I thank him for getting 
the records into boxes and arranging the records by year and type. 
The microfilms reels from the LDS church are films of the copies 
that are kept in the church archive in Zacatecas, Zacatecas. 

The index that the priest created for the records are by FIRST name 
within the book.  So you have to know first name to find someone and 
most males were named José (something) and the females María 
(something) so the index is pretty useless.

The public register for Jerez starts around 1880 and is not indexed, 
so that you need to know a year and approximate month.  Fortunately 

not sure but check this site that Maria Cortez linked in the links area:
http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

look under A and Autlan for a lot of info on Autlan in Jalisco. Not sure
if it will answer your question though,

joseph

Gloria Delgado wrote:

I'm sure someone in this group has an answer to my question - where
exactly is Autlan de la Grana? Is it near Autlan de Navarro, and are
both Autlans part of the larger city? And how old is Autlan de la
Grana? The only thing I can find out from the internet is that it has
a bullring!

A notebook that belonged to my great-grandparents noted that four of
their children were born there (ZARAGOZA & CASTILLO surnames).

I'd be grateful for any help or history.

Gloria

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I'm sure someone in this group has an answer to my question - where
exactly is Autlan de la Grana? Is it near Autlan de Navarro, and are
both Autlans part of the larger city? And how old is Autlan de la
Grana? The only thing I can find out from the internet is that it has
a bullring!

A notebook that belonged to my great-grandparents noted that four of
their children were born there (ZARAGOZA & CASTILLO surnames).

I'd be grateful for any help or history.

Gloria

http://www.zacatecas.gob.mx/ssz/reg_jurisdiccional/jurisdicciones.html

here is another one for Jerez, Zacatecas.

http://www.jerez.com.mx/

I'm sure some of you all have other websites for the towns you are
researching.

Thanks Steve Apodaca for the motivation to do this,

Joseph

okay I've got all the stuff that was in the Aah-ther folder
transferred over to the Ranchos2 files area. You'll find a link to the
Ranchos2 files area in the links area. 

Yahoo only allows me to subscribe 10 members per day so by the end of
the week I should have all of us moved onto the list. I'd rather do it
this way so I won't get confused. . .it doesn't take much.

anyway this really looks like the best way as we now have very much
room for new or updated genealogies. I guess this should provide a lot
of motivation. . .right?

Joseph

Inspired by Maria Cortez and others I've added info on Copywrite Law to
the groups description and the first file in the files area.

Maria did the research and maybe later she can send a message to the
group outlining her findings on how our work is "already" copywrite
protected.

thanks Maria,

joseph

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I'm okay with Ranchos 2.  

Carol
--- "Angel R. Cervantes" <angelrcervantes@...>
wrote:

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I agree with Steven H.  I am o.k. with a Ranchos2.  

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Suave,

I added links to Santa Maria de los Angeles and Colotlan, Jalisco

great idea. . . thanks for the contribution,

joseph


sgapodaca wrote:

This is a message for all the members of this group. Knowing our
family roots is very important for all of us. However, I believe
that along with it we must also know a little bit about the history
and places where our ancestors lived. That's why I added a new file
on the links section called Pueblos On The Web. I started by putting
a link to a website that contains lots of information about Zacoalco
de Torres, Jalisco. Besides current issues on Zacoalco, it has a
very detailed history about the municipio, along with interesting
pictures. Check it out and let me know what you think about it.
There are probably more websites about other municipios that I don't
know about but someone else does. Why don't we all add a link to a
municipio website into this file? Even though I might not find
ancestors in a specific municipio, I would sure like to know more
about the history of it.

Yahoo! Groups Links

This is a message for all the members of this group. Knowing our 
family roots is very important for all of us. However, I believe 
that along with it we must also know a little bit about the history 
and places where our ancestors lived. That's why I added a new file 
on the links section called Pueblos On The Web. I started by putting 
a link to a website that contains lots of information about Zacoalco 
de Torres, Jalisco. Besides current issues on Zacoalco, it has a 
very detailed history about the municipio, along with interesting 
pictures. Check it out and let me know what you think about it. 
There are probably more websites about other municipios that I don't 
know about but someone else does. Why don't we all add a link to a 
municipio website into this file? Even though I might not find 
ancestors in a specific municipio, I would sure like to know more 
about the history of it.

Hello, Janet. I remember you from a message board in Genealogy.com . 
Unfortunately, we found out that there are no close matches in our 
family tree. Something interesting, I noticed, by looking at message 
boards, that there are a lot, and I mean A LOT, of Curiel's in the 
area of Atenguillo-Guachinango-Mascota. You know, with all the 
people researching Curiel ancestors from Atenguillo and close 
villages we can create a new group exclusive for this surname in 
this area.

That reminds me. Joseph, is it ok to invite another genealogist to 
this group? I am very sure that he is serious about his research. 
And yes, he is probably a distant Curiel primo.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Iglesias" <reynavaleria@h...> 
wrote:
> Hello Steve:
> 
> 1. My research is focused more on my father's side . . . Iglesias 
Family Tree from the state of Jalisco. The Iglesias family are 
originally from the little towns of Guachinango, Atenguillo, and 
Ameca. I noticed that you have Curiel as one of your surnames. My 
Iglesias family members married a lot of Curiel's . . . just 
interested to see if there is a connection.
> 
> 2. I'm located in Southern California . . . I'm not sure if you 
have any family members down here that are Tapia but I sure do know 
some. . . I want to say that they are from Jalisco . . . They are 
very tall and light skinned.
> 
> 3. I also know an Apodaca family.
> 
> Janet
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: sgapodaca 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 12:47 PM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Greetings and Introduction
> 
> 
>   I was invited to this group by Joseph Puentes. I think it is a 
great 
>   idea to create a group not only focused in genealogy but in a 
>   specific area.
>   My name is Steve Apodaca. As you can see in the family tree that 
I 
>   recently uploaded, I am in my early 20's. Until last year I was 
a 
>   college student, but dropped out because of lack of cash. Now I 
am 
>   working and saving money so that I go back to school. During my 
free 
>   time, I do my genealogy research. I started my research a couple 
>   years ago, but because of school and work and other 'duties' I 
>   haven't researched as much as I wished. I have not found 
ancestors 
>   in Zacatecas and Aguascalientes, yet. All of my ancestors come 
from 

Hello, possible primo.

I will have this is the Cervantes family that I have on my file.
Marcelo Cervantes, married Maria Salazar before 1821. So far, I have 
verified four relatives. I have found others on the IGI, but I don't 
put them on my file until I see with my own eyes the actual 
microfilm or document where they are described. The children on my 
file are: Cruz Cervantes born aroun 1821 in Los Pozos and married 
with Maria Rita Apodaca, Maria Guadalupe Cervantes born around 1825 
in San Marcos and married with Nemecio Apodaca, Ysidro Cervantes, 
born around 1832 in San Marcos and married with Martina Gil, and 
Higinia Cervantes born around 1846 and never married according to 
her death certificate from 1916. As soon as I find some free time, I 
will order some microfilms to find the baptim documents of the 
Cervantes kids. I approximated their birth date from their marriage 
or death records. 

By the way, Angel, Zacoalco is actually a big municipio. There are 
about 25,000 zacoalquenses living there, without including the 
hundreds, maybe thousands who live in the U.S. I want to stay 
optimistic, but while checking baptism microfilms from Zacoalco, I 
found a lot of Cervantes children from other families. Hopefully, 
they all descend from the same ancestors. Keep on looking for your 
Cervantes ancestors as I'll do with mine and we will probably find a 
link soon, primo. Unfortunately, I haven't found Cejas in my family 
file, but that doesn't neccesarily mean that they are not out there.

By the way, where do you live at? I live in LA County.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Angel R. Cervantes" 
<angelrcervantes@y...> wrote:
> Primo,
> 
> My great great grandfather Jose Manuel Cervantes
> married Juana Maria Gonzales in 1835 in Zocoalco de
> Torres.  The marriage record shows the parents of Jose
> Manuel Cervantes as Rafael Cervantes and Marcelina
> Diaz.  I should have looked at the marriage closer and
> see what village they were from.  I also have a Seja
> line in Zacoalco de Torres.  Have you come across any
> Sejas in your genealogy?  By the way I am also in my
> 20's.  I am three years older then you.  I thought I
> was the youngest guy, I guess you beat me.  Well I
> will consider you a primo.  The municipio of Zacoalco
> de Torres can't be that big.  I bet we are related for
> sure.
> 
> Un Abrazo,
> Angel
> 
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?

we are running out of room in the File area for storing the genealogies.
We are allowed 20,000 kb and are currently using 14,500 kb. We have a
little room to go but want to discuss this problem with you all.

I have a website at usgenealogy.net and the site owner said that I could
start up another webpage just for the group. We could use the page just
to post genealogies, but it wouldn't be private like the Yahoo site. But
it would be private in that only members would know the address. Well I
guess that's really not private as someone could just wander into the
site and look at everyone's genealogy. Or some future disgruntled member
could go and post the webpages address all over the internet.
[http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/joseph27703/]

We could start a second
YahooGroup called Ranchos2 and use the 20,000kb
of the files in that group to store genealogies but then everyone would
need to be subscribed to that group as well. . .a bit of a hassle but
not to hard to accomplish.

Does anyone have a better idea on how to get additional private storage
area for the group?

thanks,

joseph

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I dont have any additional suggestions, but what ever you all decide on will
be fine with me

Thank you,



              ~~glo~~







From: makas@...
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: LosRanchos <ranchos@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ranchos] File Storage Problem
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:34:43 -0500


we are running out of room in the File area for storing the genealogies.
We are allowed 20,000 kb and are currently using 14,500 kb. We have a
little room to go but want to discuss this problem with you all.

I have a website at usgenealogy.net and the site owner said that I could
start up another webpage just for the group. We could use the page just
to post genealogies, but it wouldn't be private like the Yahoo site. But
it would be private in that only members would know the address. Well I
guess that's really not private as someone could just wander into the
site and look at everyone's genealogy. Or some future disgruntled member
could go and post the webpages address all over the internet.
[http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/joseph27703/]

We could start a second YahooGroup called Ranchos2 and use the 20,000kb
of the files in that group to store genealogies but then everyone would
need to be subscribed to that group as well. . .a bit of a hassle but
not to hard to accomplish.

Does anyone have a better idea on how to get additional private storage
area for the group?

thanks,

joseph





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