TEST SITE - DO NOT USE - Development only

I'm going to work on a Ranchos2 because I'm most familiar with how to do
that. The myFamily sounds good, but me being familiar with Yahoo gave
that option the nudge. I'm hoping it will be as simple as putting info
into the Ranchos2 file area and linking to it in the Ranchos1 Links area.

Here's what I need from everyone. In about 1 week I'm going to have the
new group up and running. I'm then going to subscribe everyone to that
group.

Soooo that means that if you take acception to me doing this you need to
tell me. Just a simple, "don't subscribe me to the Ranchos2 group" reply
will do.

thanks,

joseph

ps: this is not written in stone yet so if there are more options that
people want to voice I'm still looking for ideas. If we don't use them
now we might in the future.

Angel R. Cervantes wrote:

I agree with Steven H. I am o.k. with a Ranchos2.

I agree with Steven H.  I am o.k. with a Ranchos2.  

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
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http://mail.yahoo.com

An option could be to use MyFamily.com.  It is private
and secure.  Individuals must be registered as members
and must have a userid and password to access the
information.  You have access to 5MB of storage for
free.  You can also increase your storage to 105MB for
a fee of $19.95 per year.  More storage is available
for more money.

     -Esther


--- makas@... wrote:
> 
> we are running out of room in the File area for
> storing the genealogies. 
> We are allowed 20,000 kb and are currently using
> 14,500 kb. We have a 
> little room to go but want to discuss this problem
> with you all.
> 
> I have a website at usgenealogy.net and the site
> owner said that I could 
> start up another webpage just for the group. We
> could use the page just 
> to post genealogies, but it wouldn't be private like
> the Yahoo site. But 
> it would be private in that only members would know
> the address. Well I 
> guess that's really not private as someone could
> just wander into the 
> site and look at everyone's genealogy. Or some
> future disgruntled member 
> could go and post the webpages address all over the
> internet. 
> [http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/joseph27703/]
> 
> We could start a second YahooGroup called Ranchos2
> and use the 20,000kb 
> of the files in that group to store genealogies but
> then everyone would 
> need to be subscribed to that group as well. . .a
> bit of a hassle but 
> not to hard to accomplish.
> 
> Does anyone have a better idea on how to get
> additional private storage 
> area for the group?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> 


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we are running out of room in the File area for storing the genealogies.
We are allowed 20,000 kb and are currently using 14,500 kb. We have a
little room to go but want to discuss this problem with you all.

I have a website at usgenealogy.net and the site owner said that I could
start up another webpage just for the group. We could use the page just
to post genealogies, but it wouldn't be private like the Yahoo site. But
it would be private in that only members would know the address. Well I
guess that's really not private as someone could just wander into the
site and look at everyone's genealogy. Or some future disgruntled member
could go and post the webpages address all over the internet.
[http://www.usgenealogy.net/members/joseph27703/]

We could start a second YahooGroup called Ranchos2 and use the 20,000kb
of the files in that group to store genealogies but then everyone would
need to be subscribed to that group as well. . .a bit of a hassle but
not to hard to accomplish.

Does anyone have a better idea on how to get additional private storage
area for the group?

thanks,

joseph

Primo,

My great great grandfather Jose Manuel Cervantes
married Juana Maria Gonzales in 1835 in Zocoalco de
Torres.  The marriage record shows the parents of Jose
Manuel Cervantes as Rafael Cervantes and Marcelina
Diaz.  I should have looked at the marriage closer and
see what village they were from.  I also have a Seja
line in Zacoalco de Torres.  Have you come across any
Sejas in your genealogy?  By the way I am also in my
20's.  I am three years older then you.  I thought I
was the youngest guy, I guess you beat me.  Well I
will consider you a primo.  The municipio of Zacoalco
de Torres can't be that big.  I bet we are related for
sure.

Un Abrazo,
Angel

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Joseph, thank you so much for all the information



              ~~glo~~







From: Joseph Puentes <makas@...>
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Family History Centers: Was Zacatecas Films
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:32:23 -0500


go to www.familysearch.org

click on "Library"

then click on "Family History Centers"

the fill out the information for your location. Once you have found one
close to you GO there and pay them a visit. Show them the films you want to
order and order some for the time periods you think your relatives might
have been there. Note: these films in particular are for the capital city of
Zacatecas or Zacatecas, Zacatecas.

do a place search on www.familysearch.org and plug in Zacatecas. click on
the links and click on church records. then click on view films and you will
come up with a grand list like this for Zacatecas, Zacatecas:

Topic
Mexico, Zacatecas, Zacatecas - Church records

Titles

Registros parroquiales, 1605-1959 / Iglesia Católica. Sagrario (Zacatecas,
Zacatecas)
Registros parroquiales, 1853-1920 / Iglesia Católica. Nuestra Señora de
Guadalupe (Zacatecas, Zacatecas)
Registros parroquiales, 1859-1960 / Iglesia Católica. Nuestra Señora de
Guadalupe (Zacatecas, Zacatecas)
Registros parroquiales, 1881-1884 / Iglesia Católica. San Francisco
(Zacatecas, Zacatecas)
Registros parroquiales, 1881-1933 / Iglesia Católica. Jesús (Zacatecas,
Zacatecas)

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Really you should go to your Family History Center with this email in hand
and ask to see what films are available for the above. They really are
helpful and can guide you through what is available.

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Hello Again,

I apologize that one of the links I gave in my previous posting 
didn't work.  Hopefully, this one will.

http://www.tarver-genealogy.net/aids/spanish/sp_racial_terms.html

Alice

Hello,

I discovered an interesting site with an extensive list of 
definitions of racial classifications used by the Spanish.  In 
addition to the definitions, there are beautiful paintings of mixed 
race adults and children.  I'm not one to get emotional over 
paintings, but these really moved me, particularly after discovering 
the extent of my diversity.


http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:Vb4w2oDMqa8J:www.tarver-
genealogy.net/aids/spanish/sp_racial_terms.html+coyote+racial+classif
ications+photos&hl=en&start=1&ie=UTF-8

For those of you who have discovered mulato or coyote roots, don't 
miss this "Castas" exhibit:

http://www.tarver-genealogy.net/visual/exhibits/castas/ulthm1_1.html

And Joe, that was a clever little response to my introduction.  I'm 
going to propose that the members call you "Dr. Puentes" from now 
on. 

Alice

alice wissing wrote:

Hello Everybody,

My name is Alice Wissing and I'm introducing myself to the group.
Before I say anything else, I want to tell Steve Apodaca, another

newcomer, how fortunate he is to be in his early 20's and
researching his family.

I'll Amen that. I'm 50 and if I had started when I was 20 I could have
talked to my mother, father, grandmother, even some really old folks
that were alive at that time. ooooh, just thinking about all that oral
history that passed before I got interested. If I had one word of advice
it would be "ORAL HISTORY." (well I guess thats two). Remember these old
records we're finding have been sitting there waiting for us to come dig
them up but with every generation that passes the oral history passes
with them and it is unrecoverable. . .forever lost. the stories and
really important stuff about who we are is gone. Steve, Alice, all. .
.go for the oral history.

I wish I had started at such a young age,
as it has been an empowering experience for me to discover the
specifics about my origins.  Until I started this research, I was
under the impression my father's family had just "sprouted" on the
Mexican side of town, but now, thanks to the Mormons, Mariano Leal
and members of this group, I'm finding out otherwise.

My father's family originated in San Juan de Los Lagos and
Jalostotitlan.  My maiden name is Campos and the surnames I'm
researching on my father's paternal side appear in both areas and
are as follows:  Campos (Martin Del Campo, Martin), Munos, Ramires,
Marquez, Padilla, Barba, and Lozano.

Throug! h my grandmother's side, I have an extensive tree that a

cousin prepared that dates back to the mid 1500's in a few cases.
Because I haven't viewed records to support her research, I need to

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I was invited to this group by Joseph Puentes. I think it is a great 
idea to create a group not only focused in genealogy but in a 
specific area.
My name is Steve Apodaca. As you can see in the family tree that I 
recently uploaded, I am in my early 20's. Until last year I was a 
college student, but dropped out because of lack of cash. Now I am 
working and saving money so that I go back to school. During my free 
time, I do my genealogy research. I started my research a couple 
years ago, but because of school and work and other 'duties' I 
haven't researched as much as I wished. I have not found ancestors 
in Zacatecas and Aguascalientes, yet. All of my ancestors come from 
the state of Jalisco. These are the towns and surnames that I am 
researching.

Amacueca: Aguilar
Atenguillo: Curiel, Pena, Diaz, Cazarez
Barranca del Espiritu Santo: Frias
El Crucero: Ramirez, Gamino, Ursua, Ornelas
Guadalajara: Tapia
San Marcos Evangelista: Cervantes
Santa Catarina: Apodaca, Bonal
Sayula: Apodaca, Ayala
Zacoalco: Apodaca, Martinez, Frias, Rodriguez

By the way, Barranca del Espiritu Santo, El Crucero, San Marcos, 
Santa Catarina, and Zacoalco all belong to the municipio of Zacoalco 
de Torres, so this is my main area of research.

The branch that I have researched the most is the Apodaca family. 
The earliest ancestor I have found is José Domingo Apodaca, born in 
Zacoalco, Jalisco (I am still looking for the date), and married in 
the same town on November 30, 1784 with Gertrudis Aniceta Bonal from 
Santa Catarina. Finding these ancestors was relatively easy because 
of three factors: First, the surname Apodaca is not that common in 
this area of Jalisco and the Apodacas that I have found are one way 
or another related to my family. Second, I found that this family 
has stayed in the same area for at least 220 years. My father, born 
in Santa Catarina, still lives in Zacoalco, and several of his 
brothers and sisters have their families in Santa Catarina.

However, I have not been very successful with all of my family 
branches. For example, my maternal grandfather Andrés Tapia. He 
married my grandmother in 1947 and their marriage lasted about 5 
years because he died in a terrible truck accident in Escuinapa, 
Sinaloa. My family lost contact with his family and that's why it 
has been difficult for me to find more about him. From researching 
documents and interviewing my grandmother, I know that his real name 

Hello, it is true what you say about this classification upgrade 
because I found that in my own research. My ancestor Jose Domingo 
Apodaca was classified as a mestizo in his marriage certificate from 
1784. His wife was espanola. Of course, his son Antonio Apodaca 
would be mestizo too, right? But when I found the marriage record of 
the son, he was classified as espanol, the same as the mother. Was 
the indian blood lost from one generation to the next? I have read 
that these racial terms had no scientific basis, and they were used 
to describe the appearance of the individual, rather than his ethnic 
mixture. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, alice wissing <alice_wissing@y...> 
wrote:
> Folks,
>  
> I can't remember where I read this, but in some parts of Mexico 
the term Coyote simply meant a Mestizo, with the person not 
necessarily being part black.  It's probably safe to say that if a 
person is looking though records and seeing the terms coyote and 
mestizo used during the same time period, the coyote was probably 
someone who appeared to be part black and Indian.  In researching 
ancestors from Durango, I found that people who were born mulato or 
coyote often got a classification upgrade when marrying an 
Espanol.         
>  
> Alice
> 
> Joseph Puentes <makas@n...> wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/rg/frameset_rg.asp?
Dest=G1&Aid=&Gid=&Lid=&Sid=&Did=&Juris1=&Event=&Year=&Gloss=&Sub=&Tab
=&Entry=&Guide=WLSpanis.ASP
> 
> [this is a might long link. if it doesn't work you might have to 
rebuild it in the URL window]
> 
> go to "Racial Ternminology"
> 
> ============================================
> 
> or:
> 
> go to www.familysearch.org and 
> 
> go to "Library"
> 
> go to "Education"
> 
> go to  "Family History Library Publications"  [another time go 
to "Research Guidance" and do a search under "Mexico" For a wealth 
of info]
> 
> go to "Word Lists"
> 
> go to "Spanish Genealogical Word list"
> 
> go to "Racial Terminology"
> 
> and you'll see that "Coyote" means: 
> 
> Coyote Spanish (#65533;), Indian (3/8), and Negro (1/8)
> I was trying to find other references but wasn't able to find any. 

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For Spanish terms in New Mexico church records go to:
http://www.genealogybranches.com/valencia/wordlist.html

Mestizo - mixture of Spanish & Mexican Indian
Coyote - mixture of Indian & Mestizo (may also denote a mixture of 
Spanish & New Mexican Indian)

So in New Mexico a Coyota(e) could be a person with blood 
mixture of half Spanish and half mestiza.  A mestiza is half Spanish 
and half Indian.  So that would be 3/4 Spanish and 1/4 Indian.   As  
always  it depended on the Priest's judgment.

* * * * * *
In Mexico, 
>From an email to me from John Schmal:
"I want to also tell you that there is a great degree of imprecision 
with priests classifying people according to color, dress, language, 
social status, customs, or according to their own perceptions and 
biases.  Thus, one priests' coyote may be another priest's lobo or 
another priest's mestizo or another priests's mulato libre...in fact, in 
the book I recently co authored with Donna Morales we discussed 
this problem and illustrated it.....these classifications cannot be 
taken too literally....Pedro Gabriel Valenzuela was born in Sonora 
in 1751 as a mulato, married in the 1770s as a mestizo, and in the 
1790 California census as español, primarily because had become 
a soldier, a rank earning respect in colonial Mexico, even if you 
were of "mixed origins."

So, always use caution...In our book, we showed the marriage of 
two Indians from Lagos de Moreno in the 1770s and then of the 
girl's parents in the 1740s, but the parents were two mulatos...two 
mulatos begat an Indian girl???? "

* * * * * *

Gloria