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Miguel Ramon Solis, author of "Andarliegos y Pobladores Nueva España and Nueva Galicia siglo XVI" is one of the genealogists adding to the confusion by making the mistake that the conquistador is the Jeronimo Lopez that married into the Peralta family. It is this confusion that has been the block wall stopping people from figuring out the correct family tree for Manuel Coría de Peralta. Once people realize that it is the son Jeronimo Lopez el mozo that is the one that is married to Ana Carillo de Peralta, then they will realize that the dates that people give for the age of Jeronimo's daughter married to Diego Coría cannot be right. Just because Diego becomes a widower in 1550 does not mean that he marries his next wife in 1551 as people mistakenly write. The bigger question mark is which Diego Coría is the one married to Maria Mendoza daughter of Jeronimo Lopez and Ana Carillo de Peralta. It does seem likely that it is correct that the Diego Coría identified as her husband is an

Dear Daniel,

I too descend from "el Amo" Aceves. This should make us between fourth and sixth cousins depending on which line you descend from.

The Cervantes line that you mentioned most likely is the same Cervantes line that descends from Jeronimo Lopez el mozo. One of his daughters married into the Cervantes family.

Another of his daughters did marry Diego Coría, became widowed as she married an OLD man, and then joined a few of her sisters in the convent. Since the women change their names when entering the convent, it would be hard to figure out which one was originally named Maria Mendoza. The Mendoza comes from a greatgrandparent from the Peralta line.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Joe,

This document helps a lot.

Thank you for your work and for sharing,

Rick A. Ricci

HOla Martha Gomez: Yo soy Alessandro Vitela y hago genealogia desde hace varios años. Soy miembro de este grupo tambien desde hace tiempo pero por cuestiones de trabajo no participo mucho. No obstante, leo todos los correos que postean y guardo los que considero utiles. Me llamó la atención que tienes la famlia NAVARRO de Tepatitlan, yo en mi genealogía tengo esa familia también desde La Barca, he encontrado algunos mimebros de esa familia tambien en Tepa, Atotonilco y hay mas lugares como Villa de Guadalupe donde se que hay Navarros. Me gustaría saber si tenemos alguna linea en común o conectamos con algún antepasado. Mi linea de Navarro comienza con Maria Francisca Rosalia Navarro que nacio aprox. en 1745 y caso con Eleuterio Valdivia el 8 Feb 1766 en La Barca. A esta pareja le encontré hasta ahora 7 hijos desde 1771 hasta 1785 en Atotonilco y La Barca.

Tengo también otra linea de Navarro en la zona de Ocotla-La Barca, se trata de Maria Nasaria Navarro nacida aprox. 1790

To Juan
l have connected the Cervantes line to my other work on the enriquez de castillo line.
I also found that the two cervantes lines are actually two branches from the same trunk.
I only recently started looking at this branch again.
I descend from Juan de Villasenor Orozco and Catalina Cervantes y Lara Andrada.
Catalina's grandfather, Diego Cervantes, married to Guiomar de Tello is related to the other giant cervantes family. When the two cervantes joined in a marriage there was an acknowledgement of the bride's father that they come from two branches of the same cervantes family.
I would like to hear/see more of your family tree to see how it connects to my tree.
R.A.Ricci

Dear Sis,

You only provided limited information on this couple. Please provide more information as we may be able to see some clues that you may have missed. What are the names of their children, and what records do you have on them? Do you know of any siblings of Francisco and Ana Maria? I did find someone that may be your Ana Maria, but would need more information to see if they are the same person. The person I found was baptized in 1751 which may have been late since you say that she was born circa 1745.

Thanks,
R.A. Ricci

Diego Estrada-Bocanegra y Muñoz de la Barba Is the son of Pedro de Estrada-Bocanegra y Flores-Rubin and Ana Muñoz de la Barba.

Pedro is born in 1632 in Jalostotitlan. He is the son of Andrés de Estrada-Bocanegra and Luisa Flores-Rubin. Pedro's wife is Andrea Rodriguez-Becerra y Galindo. Pedro's children from Ana Muñoz de la Barba are illegitimate.

Luisa Flores-Rubin is the daughter of Pedro Álvarez de Montemayor and Anna Flores-Rubin.

Ana Flores-Rubin is the daughter of Conquistador Francisco Perez and Francisca Flores

Andres de Estrada-Bocanegra is the son of Bernardino Estrada (el Viejo) and Beatriz de Andrada Bocanegra

Bernardino Estrada-Bocanegra is the son of Conquistador Francisco de Estrada

Conquistador Francisco de Estrada is the son of Juan Sanchez de Estrada.

Diego Estrada-Bocanegra y Muñoz de la Barba may have been married twice. More research is needed to confirm the second marriage. Diego's first wife is Maria Antonia Gomez de Espexo
I have other Estrada

Diego Estrada Bocanegra y Muñoz de Barba is the illegitimate son of Pedro Estrada Bocanegra and Ana Muñoz de la Barba.

Josefa Muñoz de la Barba and Juan De la Torre Ledesma y Palafox are the parents of Maria Ledesma (Aka Maria Gonzalez) and Antonia Ledesma. Both daughters are illegitimate as Juan de la Torre Ledesma is legally married to Isabel Marquez y Martin del Campo. It's taken many years to finally put this line together.

Ana Muñoz de la Barba and Josefa Munoz de la Barba are the daughters of Francisco Muñoz de las Barba and Catalina Gonzalez-Rubio (aka Gutierrez-Rubio)
Francisco Muñoz de la Barba is the son of Juan Muñoz de la Barba and Ann de Espindola II
Catalina is the daughter of Captain Francisco Gutierrez-Rubio and Anna Gonzalez Florida.

Thanks to Joe, Ruben, Simona, Steven (Paco) and Alexandro for helping with important pieces of the puzzle. It was a fantastic feeling to finally add the final pieces and put them together the past two days. Steven and Alejandro's

Dear Joe,

How are you related to Manuel Alvino de Losa & Maria de Jesus Cortes de Arteaga y Estrada?

I have more on their lines.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

Bartolome de Losa And Clara de Loza are first cousins twice. Their fathers are brothers and their mothers are sisters.

Bartolome is the son of Alejo Losa and Maria Ledesma (AKA Maria Gonzalez). (Bartolome is raised in Jalostotitlan)

Clara is the daughter of Antonio de Loza and Antonia Ledesma. (Clara is raised in Tepatitlan)

Since Maria Gonzalez (Maria Ledesma) and Antonia Ledesma are the daughters of Josepha Munoz de la Barba, and Josepha is the sister of Ana Munoz de la Barba, the mother of Diego Estrada, if we can find Josefa's parents from the clues that we have, then we will also have Ana's parents.

R.A. Ricci

Here are records that may help in this research

Bartolome Losa Gonsales
Gender Male
Christening Date 03 Sep 1702
Christening Place NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Alexo De Losa
Mother's Name Ma. Gonsales
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK9Y-LFN : 2 January 2015), Bartolome Losa Gonsales, 03 Sep 1702; citing NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 279,253.p

Bartholome De Loza
mentioned in the record of Bartholome De Loza and Clara De Loza
Name Bartholome De Loza
Spouse's Name Clara De Loza
Event Date 11 Oct 1728
Event Place Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCF3-FRS : 15 July 2015), Bartholome De Loza and Clara De Loza, 11 Oct 1728; citing Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm

Josefa de la Barba and Ana de la Barba are sisters.

Josefa is the mother of Maria Gonzales and Ana is the the mother of Diego Estrada.

This makes Maria Gonzalez and Diego Estrada first cousins.

Maria Gonzalez is the mother of Bartolome Loza and Diego Estrada is the father of Maria Efigenia de Estrada.

This makes Bartolome Loza y Gonzalez and Maria Efigenia de Estrada second cousins.

Bartolome Loza y Gonzalez is the father of Manuel Albino Losa y Losa and Ma. Efigenia de Estrada is the mother of Maria de Jesus Castro

This makes Manuel Albino Losa y Losa and Maria de Jesus Castro y Estrada third cousins which is a fourth degree relationship.

1) Josepha de la Barba
2) Maria Gonzalez
3) Bartolome de Losa y Gonzalez and Clara de Loza
4) Manuel Albino Losa y Losa

1) Ana de la Barba
2) Diego Estrada y Barba and Ma. Antonia Gomez de Espejo Velasco
3) Ma. Efigenia de Estrada y Gomez and Joseph Castro
4) Maria de Jesus Castro

R.A.Ricci

Dear Joe,

I just now saw your post on Diego Estrada. I descend from Diego Estrada and Maria Antonia Gomez de Espejo Velasco. Your information does indicate that Diego's mother is Ana de la Barba. Back then the complete surname was Muñoz de la Barba.

Thank you for sharing,
Rick A. Ricci

Here is an interesting fact on Francisco Estradas sister

Estrada, Maria - From: Seville. Father: Juan Sanchez de Estrada.
Sister of Francisco, she came to the New World 1519 where she joined
her brother in Cuba. One of 15 Conquistadoras to join in the conquest.
Married Captain Pedro Sanchez de Farfan and settled in
Mexico. It was said "She could hold her own with any man with weapons,
either on horseback or on foot".

On another post.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18899?page=2

Beatriz Ananda Bocanegra is named as Beatriz Nunez Bocanegra.

Luciano Lomellini Spinola , one of the two primary candidates to be Luis Lomellin who traveled and lived in Mexico is a sixth cousin of Christopher Colombus. There are other relationships but this is the closest that I have calculated so far.

Through another of Luciano Lomellini Spinola family line, he is a sixth cousin to Christopher Colombus's stepmother (Bartolommeo Colon's biological mother)

There is a much closer relationship that needs much more explanation as to its veracity than there is room here. There are numerous chapters explaining how this is possible in the book that I am presently writing. This book will be published soon.

The more I research the possible Luis Lomellini candidates, the more connections I find between Christopher Colombus and the Lomellini/Spinola families of Genoa/Portugal

R A Ricci

The probable and possible Luis Lomeli are all named Luciano Lomellini. Not one of them is named Luigi Lomellini.

R A Ricci

The probable and possible Luis Lomeli are all named Luciano Lomellini. Not one of them is named Luigi Lomellini

The Lomellini family of the 13th,14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, and 18 th centuries, names some women Luigia but did not call the men Luigi. The Italian versions of Luis during this time period, among the Lomellini were Luciano, Luchino, Luchetto, and Luca. There were many named Luciano Lomellini.
There are two Luigi Lomellini in the 19th century. They are first cousins. There is one Luigi Lomellini in the fifteenth century that cannot be our Luis Lomelin.
R A Ricci

Even though Carlo Lomellini and Luciano Lomellini Spinola are fourth cousins, they both have close family, second cousins and uncles that are in contact with each other's more immediate family. Their families both share business interests with Marco Lomellini Lomellini. Marco Lomellini had children that through marriage continued bringing separate branches of Lomellini together.

Marco Lomellini e Lomellini descends through his mothers branch of Lomellini from Napoleone Lomellini and Teodora di Negro.
This is also the closest relationship that fourth cousins Carlo and Luciano have. Before Napoleone Lomellini, the Lomellini families had some money but Napoleone was the first extremely wealthy Lomellini. Napoleons sons were involved in his business transactions and had to follow the rules left in his will. The original will is no longer in existence but transcriptions of it still exist. The directives in the will were meant to keep the family together. Working together and sharing in

St. Catherine of Genoa is the daughter of Giacomo Fiesco and Francesca di Negro. Some times St Catherine's mother is listed as Adorno but I do not know if this is a mistake or if Francesca went by two last names. St Catherine was married to an Adorno which may have contributed to the confusion.

Dear Mary Lou,

I did not have this valuable information. After I finish my Esparza book, I will get to work on trying to extend those lines.

Thank you,

Rick