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Welcome, I merged the marriage record Danny provided and looked to see if there was any info on this couple. There is a Nicolas Curiel Gusman that had a son German in 1719 MM8M-VJT Familysearch ID. There are 7 added records to merge with Apolonia/polonia. I checked to see if there is alternate spellings for curiel only one (curriel). Other than this information, I didn't find anything. Good luck.

Welcome to the Forum Minerva. i'm sorry i don't really know anything about these particular families. i couldn't really find anything on them either, but the marriage of fernando Vizcarra and Josepha Polonia Curiel says Fernando is the son of Manuel Vizcarra and Josepha Guerrero and his wife Josepha Polonia Curiel is the daughter of German Curiel and Rita Gertrudis Gutierrez:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VKSW-NS

Danny C. Alonso

Marcelina,

Your ancestors are here:

http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Mac%C3%ADas-Family-Tree-114

Danny C. Alonso

Hi Danny,

Margarita Ramirez and Margarita de Sosa are the same person and the daughter Margarita uses both Ramirez and Sosa like her mother, Magdalena. She was baptized 22 July 1674:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRS9-KX

Margarita, mestiza... bauticé y puse los santos óleos a Margarita, hija de don Bernabe Sánchez y de Magdalena de Sosa...

She was married 25 Feb 1690 at the age of 15:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-65T9-3R3

Francisco de Tiscareño, mestizo, vecino de esta jurisdicción, viudo de María González, mestiza, con Margarita Ramírez, mestiza, hija legitima de don Bernabé Sánchez y de Magdalena Ramírez...

and she died 27 August 1724:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6S67-DBS

...en la iglesia parroquial enterré a Margarita de Sosa, española, mujer que fue Francisco Tiscareño

So, they are definitely the same person.

Chris

Sarod,

i'm not familiar with this family, but theyre definitely the same people. Plus, Carmen, del Carmel and Carmela are all the same name.

Danny C. Alonso

Sergio,

whenever I've seen that before it meant that it had to ordered cause it wasn't online. you could email family search to be sure.

Danny C. Alonso

The closest explanation I could find is some sort of respiratory problem. Fallecio de means he died of ....hogio.
Gloria

Hi Hugo,

It sounds like he may have died of some sort of breathing difficulty.

Chris

The state archives are located in Phoenix. If you are able to drive there it is worth the trip. The records are all stored on microfilm and the staff will help you identify which film you need to review. That said, you will need to scroll through the rolls to find the records you want - that means it helps to have an idea of what year and location you seek. You can print copies from the viewer for 10 cents. They can make change if necessary. Plan to spend the day there.

You will need to register with them when you arrive - you'll need your ID. You probably already know that you can find birth/death certificates on line. However, they explained that there was a time when someone requested a birth certificate and it was simply given to them without retaining a copy. While you may not find the copy, the index cards were retained that listed date of birth, location, and the names of the parents. Still very helpful. You can also pull copies of marriage records not available on line

I would "Google" Genealogical Society of Tucson Arizona to see what is available and where or go to :https://ahslibraryandarchivestucson.wordpress.com/research-resources/ar…

Hola Cindy:

Existieron varias razones para ocultar el nombre de los padres de un niño, pudo ser una relación que no era socialmente aceptable, o que causara deshonra de acuerdo a las reglas de la época. Era mejor aceptado el hijo que se tenía con mujer soltera que con mujer casada, porque podría dañar a la familia ya establecida. Pero un indicio importante para conocer la identidad es el nombre de los padrinos, porque muchas veces son miembros del mismo clan.

Tengo un caso cercano en que una mujer acudió a bautizar una niña como su hija natural, pero no era posible ya que esa mujer se encontraba embarazada de un hijo que nació a los pocos meses y además era casada y el marido no acudió, pero sí reconoció al hijo que nació poco después. Hemos pensado que se trata de la abuela que bautizó a una nieta posiblemente hija de un hija de 17 años. La niña la entregó a su hermano y a su cuñada para que la criaran y le pusieron sus apellidos sin registrarla.

Saludos

Marcelina

Some records have the granparents some dont when they dont have them
recorded they are unknown or incognito.

Some form based baptism dont have the granparents recorded for some reason
and some do.

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 5:32 AM, Cindy F wrote:

> I recently ran across a church baptismal record on familysearch.org that
> stated "abuelos incognitos". This doesn't seem to me that the grandparents
> were unknown but for some reason are unlisted.
> Has anyone run across this before? Why would the grandparents not be
> named? Any ideas?
> Thanks in advance for any insight.
>
> Cindy (Barela) Fahrbach
> email: genie_research@hotmail.com
> ----------------------------------------
> Researching: Banegas, Barela, Cutler,
> De La O, Fahrbach, Jimenez, Keller,
> May, Navarro, Starnes, Utley, Ybarra
> ----------------------------------------

You have to remember that the child's mother was usually not present at the
baptism. She was observing "La Quarentena" For 40 days after the birth of
the child she was confined to her home for bed rest, not allowed to leave
the house or do any housework. This is probably the only time in her life
that she was cared for by others, her parents, siblings, in-laws or
husband.

The Padrinos or Godparents would be present at the baptism and maybe the
father. The Godparents may not have known the names of all the
grandparents, therefore Incognito, or unknown.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Cindy F wrote:

> I recently ran across a church baptismal record on familysearch.org that
> stated "abuelos incognitos". This doesn't seem to me that the grandparents
> were unknown but for some reason are unlisted.
> Has anyone run across this before? Why would the grandparents not be
> named? Any ideas?
> Thanks in advance for any insight.
>
> Cindy (Barela) Fahrbach
> email

Joseph,

I am researching early records of Aguascalientes beginning around 1600. One
prominent family that lived in the city (which was only a village at the
time) had the compounded surname Araisa y Medina. Please pass it on to the
applicant to Nuestros Ranchos in case he/she is interested.

Estoy investigando los primeros registros de Aguascalientes, los cuales
empiezan por el año 1600. Una de las familias más prominentes de esa ciudad
(villa en aquellos tiempos) llevaba el apellido Araisa y Medina. Favor de
pasarle esta información a la persona interesada.

Bill Figueroa

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There is an applicant to the group that wants to know if anyone is doing
research on these names: araiza, araisa, arais, araiz.

Hay un aplicante que quiere saber si hay algunos en el grupo haciendo
investigacion de estos apellidos: araiza, araisa, arais, araiz

joseph

Estimado Joseph yo he encontrado mucho de ese apellido pero de forma compuesta, de hecho es el apellido más extendido en el sur del Estado de México y el Noreste de Guerrero actualmente sólo se usa Benítez pero en la época colonial fue Benítez de Araiza algunas veces escrito por los curas de Araiza o sólo Araiza.
A la región del sur del estado de México llegan a finales del siglo XVI seguramente atraidos por los descubrimientos argentíferos de los recien fundados Reales de Minas de Temascaltepec y Sultepec.

Los libros parroquiales de Tejupilco los más antiguos y completos que comienzan en 1644 ya mencionan a los Benitez de Ariza entonces dos hermanos: Cristobal y Felipe como vecinos de San Diego Cuentla una doctrina indígena por las haciendas que poseyeron San José Almoloya y luego reciben merced para fundar una tenería de pieles y se funda la Hacienda del la Tenería de Cuentla, a fines del siglo XVII un Juan José funda la hacienda de San José del Río Grande. Las 3 haciendas eran

If you've ever heard of Miguel Cadena, you'll find he was mestizo--
padre was espagnol and also named Miguel and madre was india
(Chichimeca) and he was a great warrior! Marge:)

On Jan 18, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Susan and Joe Cadena wrote:

Hello to all,

I am new to the list since last week and in this message I'm
presenting my
second main line - Cadena - found in Cuquio, San Antonio de los
Vasquez and
San Felipe, all in Jalisco. They were espanoles.

Earliest ancestor found is Manuel Cadena married to Ana Santiaga Jacoba
Gomes (dau. of Joachim Gomes and Maria Gertrudis Vasquez, born ca.
1754, San
Felipe/Cuquio). The only child found of this couple thus far is Jose
Leondardo Esculano Cadena, born Nov 1781 in Cuquio. Working backwards,
Manuel would have been born about 1750, but I've been unable to find a
record thus far. Manuel was dead at the time of son Jose's first
marriage in
1806; Ana Gomes died between 1806 and Jose's second marriage (to Maria
Eusebia Vasquez) in

"de Dni. Parochi liz.a"- Abreviaturas en Latín

"de Domini Parrochi lizencia" - "con la licencia del Señor Párroco"

(which means "with the licence [or permission] of the Parrish Lord [priest]"

Danny,

I can't quite make out the words, maybe someone else can help with that,
but I think it's just saying he had a parish license to perform the baptism.

Paige

Six to five years ago, several of us - including the late Guillermo Tovar de Teresa and myself - provided a thorough analysis of the Miramontes family of Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.

Please go over EVERY word, accent, and comment in the following thread. We explored the ancestry of Juan de Miramontes & Brígida Ortiz de Urrutia (whose parents were Hernando Machado Rangel & María Bernal, she dau. of Diego Machón de Urrutia & N. Bernal).

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18291 [check out pages 1, 2, & 3]

SFHL
Steven Francisco Hernández Gamiño y López de los Reyes…y Miramontes.

I have this and the children I have for them are Fernando/Hernando wife Cecilia Lopez, Lorenso wife Maria Gonzales, Juan, Tomasina, husband Juan Sanchez Castellanos and Maria Rodrigues de Haro, husband Juan Miramontes. They are from Tlaltenango.
.
Declaración de Nicolás Díaz, español de 60 años de edad: Porque Juan de Miramontes y María de Saucedo, tuvieron por hijos a Hernando de Aro y a Juan de
Miramontes. dicho Juan de Miramontes. tuvo a Juana de Miramontes. y la dicha
tuvo a Doña Ana de Vera, madre del pretenso; y Hernando de Aro. tuvo por hija a
Doña Lorenza de Aro. y la dicha tuvo a Doña María Tello de Orozco, madre de la pretensa.
,
Declaración de Don Diego López Bravo.
español de 48 años de edad: Sabe que el difunto Francisco Xavier de Haro marido que fué de esta pretensa y Juan de Miramontes. el Gordito es tio carnal de este pretenso en segundo grado, por ser primo hermano de Juan de Miramontes Aro.
padre de este dicho pretenso. Declaración de Don Fernando de Haro. español de

Hi Gus,

The Juan de Miramontes you're asking about is actually the grandson of Juan de Miramontes and Maria de Haro y Saucedo. You can see his documented tree here:

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Miramontes-5

Chris

Primo Juan Carlos Aguayo is correct,* "Fueron legitimamente dispensados".*
They were given a legitimate dispensation, given that they were twice
related to the third degree and once related to the 4th degree. Maybe
that's why they had to stipulate that the dispensation was a legitimate one.

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 12:15 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone tell me what the two words are on this marriage for my
> ancestors Carlos Rovalcava and Luisa Rovalcava. The two words are right
> before it say "fueron padrinos Hilario Garcia and Dominga Rovalcava"
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VK76-8
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Danny,

It says, legitimamente dispensados, or legitimately pardoned for being
related.

Saludos,
Juan Carlos Aguayo

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone tell me what the two words are on this marriage for my
> ancestors Carlos Rovalcava and Luisa Rovalcava. The two words are right
> before it say "fueron padrinos Hilario Garcia and Dominga Rovalcava"
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VK76-8
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Danny,

The words are: legítimamente dispensados

Chris

Si se puede, en la misma pagina de Pares hay un link para solicitar archivos digitales, tembien te dan los costos.

The website address above doesn't work, does anyone know where the testaments that have been already transcribed are? i would be interested in seeing them.

Danny C. Alonso

Jaime y todos los miembros del grupo:

Parece que quedo truncado el proyecto que hace un año comenzó Paco Romo.

Sin embargo tu puedes ver cualquier documento del Archivo Histórico del Estado de Aguascalientes en la pagina web: http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx

Debes poner como user name: sigue.publica y como password publica. clic en Log in
Luego en la pagina que se abre debes seleccionar con boton derecho del mouse "SGG-ARCHIVO-HISTORICO - ACERVOS COLONIALES SIGLOS XVII A XIX" y hacer clic en "NEW QUERY". Entonces te abrira una pagina para busqueda.

Es bastante malo el motor de busqueda. Necesitas escribir EXACTAMENTE los datos como están escritos en la base de datos para obtener lo que buscas. Lo mas practico que he encontrado para la busqueda de testamentos es por medio de la fecha en formato DD-MM-AAAA . En la pagina del proyecto que alguna vez inició Paco Romo esta la lista de los testamentos

http://www.romogutierrez.com/Transcripciones/Indices/Fondo_Notarial

Discúlpame por no ser específico. Sólo que Martha Gómez mencionó que Leonor de Hermosillo o Rubio hija de Cristóbal Muñoz de Hermosillo casó dos veces Manuel Gómez de Mendoza y Pedro Franco de Paredes, sólo tengo que casó Pedro no Manuel. Es porque pregunté si podía compartir lo que tiene para que lo podamos revisar.

Daniel Méndez-Camino

Hola a todos,

Hay otra leonor de Hermosillo hija de un Hermano de Leonor de Hermosillo que se llamo Cristobal Munoz de Hermosillo  y esa otra Leonor se caso con un sr. llamado Manuel Gomez de Mendoza y tambien se caso son un Pedro Franco de Paredes .

en conclusion esta Leonor viene siendo sobrina de la Leonor que se caso con Miguel Gutierrez.

Martha Gomez
----- Original Message -----
From: mgomez42@comcast.net
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 9:10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego de la Mota y Padilla casado con Leonor de        Hermosillo, ca 1665

Pienso que debe ser hija de Leonor de Hermosillo y de Miguel Gutierrez Rubio. porque la mama debe de haber nacido como en 1590 cuando mucho porque el papa que yo tengo registrado de Leonor de Hermosillo la esposa de Miguel Gutierrez  lo bautizaron el 8 de julio de 1561 entonces no podria ser papa de una nina de 9  en 1650 porque tendria que haberla tenido como a los 80?

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Pienso que debe ser hija de Leonor de Hermosillo y de Miguel Gutierrez Rubio. porque la mama debe de haber nacido como en 1590 cuando mucho porque el papa que yo tengo registrado de Leonor de Hermosillo la esposa de Miguel Gutierrez  lo bautizaron el 8 de julio de 1561 entonces no podria ser papa de una nina de 9  en 1650 porque tendria que haberla tenido como a los 80?

----- Original Message -----
From: xalos68@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 4:53:31 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego de la Mota y Padilla casado con Leonor de        Hermosillo, ca 1665

Leonor de Hermosillo sale en el padron de Jalos de 1650 con la edad de 9 en la estancia del Br. Lazaro Gutierrez de Hermosillo y de Leonor de Hermosillo madre del Bachiller y esposa de Miguel Gutierrez Rubio. Esta Leonor aparece en los padrones de Jalos en los 1670s como esposa de Diego de la Mota y Padilla. Depues de la muerte del Br. Lazaro Gtz de Hermosillo, dueño de la

On www.Familysearch.org MTJJ-LV2 ID you can search by this ID number or name. The parents are listed but only two chidren. I have Rivas on my paternal line supposedly, they are from Guanajuato not found one of my Rivas. hope you find yours.
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Jaime,

I would be interested in getting more information, about how you are progressing.

Thanks,
Jon Walker