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Hello, is there a connection between the names Velasco and Villalbazo?

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Lugo not Luna

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I made a mistake in typing this earlier. I had written Maria Gertrudis Paz y Luna but It should read:

Maria Gertrudis Paz y Lugo is the daughter of Francisco Paz + Josepha De la Cruz Lugo

Sorry,
Rick A. Ricci

Francisco Xavier Villavaso's parents

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I left out francisco's parents.

Ascensio Villavaso and Marta Maria are the parents of Francisco Xavier Villavaso.

Couple records of the Aseves Villalbaso/Velasco family

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Maria Urzula Velasco
Gender Female
Husband Bernardo Aseves
Son Jose Manuel Aseves Velasco
Name Jose Manuel Aseves Velasco
Gender Male
Christening Date 04 Jan 1816
Christening Place SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Bernardo Aseves
Mother's Name Maria Urzula Velasco
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGDY-C9V : 12 December 2014), Maria Urzula Velasco in entry for Jose Manuel Aseves Velasco, 04 Jan 1816; citing SAYULA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 224,941.

Franco. Xabier Villavaso
mentioned in the record of Franco. Xabier Villavaso and Lorenza Josefa Luna
Name Franco. Xabier Villavaso
Spouse's Name Lorenza Josefa Luna
Event Date 16 Feb 1779
Event Place Sayula,Jalisco,Mexico
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZJV-4XV : 16 July 2015), Franco. Xabier Villavaso and Lorenza Josefa Luna, 16 Feb 1779; citing Sayula

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Maria Ursula Velasco Villabaso

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Dear Rayna,

Maria Ursula Velasco Villalbaso (Villabaso Luna y Velasco) and Bernardo (Fernando) Aseves are the parents of Jose Manuel Aseves

Maria Ursula Villabaso y Luna Velasco is the daughter of Francisco Xavier Villavaso (Velasco in baptismal record but it may be a mistake by the scribe and the Velasco comes from Lorezas mother.) (indio) and Lorenza Josefa Luna y Velasco (española)

Lorenza Josefa Luna y Velasco is the daughter of Jose Anastacio de Luna and Francisca Geronima Velasco

Bernardo Aseves is the son of Juan de San Pedro Aseves and Maria Gertrudis Lugo

R.A.Ricci

Maria Ursula Velasco Villabaso

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Thank you for your replies and your help. I am still a little confused. The reason is because of conflicting baptismal records where everything appears to agree, except for one little detail. For example, I found a baptismal record that appears to be a younger brother of Manuel, Jose Francisco de la Trinidad Asebes Villalbazo. This is Image 166 Film 224942. It shows Franciscos parents to be Bernardo Asebes and Maria Urzula Villalbazo. It shows the paternal gtandparents to be Pedro Asebes and Maria Gertrudis Paz (not Lugo). The maternal grandparents are Francisco Xabier Villalbazo and Maria Josefa Dias (not Lorenza Josefa Luna).

On the baptismal record of Jose Trinidad Bailon Asebes Villalbazo, whom I believe to be another brother, the only difference in parentage if the maternal grandmother whom it shows as Maria Francisca Dias. Image 266 Film 224942

Again, thank you!

Rayna Babette Allen

Different surnames

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Dear Rayna,

This should help explain some of the differences in names:

Josepha Lorenza Diaz Velasco is the daughter of Jose Diaz and Francisca Velasco

Juan de San Pedro Asveves is the son of Salvador Aseves and Michaela Serrano y Luna

Maria Gertrudis Paz y Luna is the daughter of Francisco Paz + Josepha De la Cruz Lugo

Micaela Serrano y Luna is the daughter of Juan Serrano and Efigenia de Luna

Salvador Aseves is the son of Salvador Aseves and Ana de Diaz Contreras

Francisco de la Paz (junior)is the Son of another Francisco Xavier de la Paz (senior) and Catharina de la Meza

Josepha de la Cruz Lugo is the Daughter of Antonio de Lugo and Maria Vicenta

R.A.Ricci

Different surnames

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Oh my goodness! This would take me months (at least) to come up with this! I am grateful beyond words!

So it seems to me, that the maternal name used in these baptismal records is somewhat arbitrary. Is that correct, or am I missing something really important here?

Thank you!

Babette

Use of different surnames

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Dear Rayna,

The use of different surnames was common in those times. It makes it frustrating at times but This practice also provides clues as to the ancestry.

Your welcome, I'm glad I could help,
R.A. Ricci

Use of different surnames

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I had seen these surnames before, but was not able to connect them. I made the correction to Maria Gertrudis Paz y Lugo. Thanks to your help, I am a very happy and excited person!

Rayna Babette Allen

Muñoz y Martinez de Orozco

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Ventura Muñoz and Rita Martinez de Orozco fathers of Santiago Muñoz married with Andrea Solís.
This two couple were in Villa de Cos, Zacatecas from 1755 to 1815.

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Muñoz y Martinez de Orozco

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Miguel, I know these families and can help you with your research.

Ventura Muñoz

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Thanks for your post. I feel happy. For many years I touhght they were from Mars. Because they suddenly disappear from his parish.
Please tell me something about my family.

Regards.

Ventura and Refugio.

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Are Ventura and Refugio "hermanos o primos". Or they are for different lineage?
Are Rita a sister of Anacleto?

Ventura and Refugio

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Miguel, the relationship is complicated, but Ventura and Refugio are not brother and sister. I believe they may be primos, but cannot yet prove it.

Rita is Anacleto's tia. Her father is my 7th great grandfather

I've been working on this for almost 18 years and have marriage records, baptism records, dispensia's and more for all these families. Everything I have is documented. Ventura is the brother of my 5th great grandfather.

I know Ventura had at least 8 children and I am aware of 3 sons, Joaquin, Santiago, and Joseph. Unless I missed one, you must be a descendant of one of these men.

It's too much to put here. Please contact me directly at rm1jr@yahoo.com if you want to learn more.

Ventura Muñoz

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Thanks. I´m very grateful with you. I´ll write to your e mail.

Pedro Triana, 1800-1882 Juan Aldama, Zacatecas

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Me llamo Victor Eduardo Hernandez Triana de Colonia Hidalgo, Sombrerete, Zacatecas, y estoy formando el árbol genealógico de
mis familias. Me estoy enfocando en el apellido Triana, y los apellidos de el lado de mi madre.

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Triana

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There is a Martin Triana Perez with a picture of a soldier not sure if his is your family of brothers you are looking for.

These records can be located in www.Familysearch.org
278T-3VR this number is to instantly locate the martin or you can type the name birth around 1867 in Auza, Zacatecas married 14 FEB 1885 with first wife. The record has 6 wifes total not sure if they are or how accurate the records are.

There is a Felix Triana KHMN-DJC born abt 1813 married to Encarnacion Estrada. Nothing else in the record started in 2012.

English

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My name is Victor Eduardo Hernandez Triana Hidalgo Colonia, Sombrerete, Zacatecas, and I am forming the family tree of my families. I'm focusing on the surname Triana, and my maternal surnames.

Surnames I've been focusing on are:
San Miguel del Mezquital(Juan Aldama)
Miguel Auza
Sain Alto
Sombrerete
in the state of Zacatecas.

Some clues that I have about the Triana second generation family, two brothers, the
father of the General Martin Guzman Triana, Exiquio Triana, and the father of Colonel Emiliano Gomez Triana, Gregorio Triana were relatives of my grandfather Quirino Triana. It is rumored that they were first cousins. Martin Guzman Triana, Emiliano Gomez Triana, and Cipriano Triana were first cousins, perhaps second cousins to my grandfather Felix Triana Vidaña in someway. Does anyone else know how they are relatives?

I also want to find out is if any of you have more information about who was Pedro Triana, husband of Maria Rudecinda Vitela. Their children were Quirino Triana

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Triana

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Victor,

I looked on family search and there doesn't seem to really be anything related to this family. maybe they're not indexed in this area yet. you may have to guess when they were born and married and then start to look for their marriage and birth records page by page.

Danny C. Alonso

Informacion Matrimonial

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

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Informacion Matrimonial

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So the bann is the public announcement of the pending marriage (nowadays posted in boards outside the churches, previously probably announced verbally), the license is the permit for the pending marriage, and the contract is the document signed by bride and groom after the marriage. So the Información Matrimonial is more like the license since they get information on the bride and groom in order to see if there is no problem with the pending marriage. The Dispensa would also be a license if there was indeed some problem. The marriage record would be the contract and many times they mention the dates of the bann announcements (usually on 3 different dates before the marriage).
In Mexico sometimes they refer to a divorce as the dissolution of the marriage contract.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

Informacion Matrimonial

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Hi Danny,

Even though the IM announces the bride and groom's intention to contract marriage, I would say it's more like a marriage license.

Paige

marriage informacion

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It usually means testimony from both parties and also witnesses. Information as to their marital status: ages, parents' names, if eligible with Catholic previous rite requirements, single status or widow or widower, if they are good Catholics / citizens. Also if and how the prospective bride or groom may be related to each. Witnesses also attest to their status and if they are eligible to marry each other. Often there are "troncos" (pedigree trees) if they are cousins. etc.

Nicolas Garcia Reyes

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I am having a difficult time trying to locate Nicolas Garcia Reyes baptism, I have his matrimonio at Asuncion de Maria Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, 1846-1853, image 667 of 773= In this image it sta

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Adopted?

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Here is a summary of the data we have collected:

Nicolas Garcia is the son of Jose Camilo Garcia (b.1810) and Brigida Reyes (Ruvalcaba) (b.1801) (m.28 Jul 1835)

Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilera is the son of Jose Maria Garcia and Maria Vicenta Aguilar Vocanegra

Maria Vicenta Aguilar Vocanegra is the daughter of Jose Dionicio (Leonicio) Aguilar and Eusebia Vocanegra .

Jose Maria Garcia is the son of Antonio Garcia and Eusebia Martinez according to a baptismal record for Jose Andres Garcia (c. 7/Feb/1816) Aguascalientes

according to another document Jose Maria Garcia is the son of
Jose Bartolo Garcia (Different from your Antonio Garcia above)y Maria Margarita Salas (also different from your Eusebia Martinez above)

Brigida Reyes (aka Brigida Ruvalvaba) (b.1801) is the daughter Jose Antonio Reyes and Josefa Gonzalez-Ruvalcaba Lozano according to a baptismal record. In her marriage record she is the daughter of Ygnacio Ruvalcaba and Josefa Reyes

Jose Antonio Reyes is married to Maria

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bautismo of Maria Patricia Garcia

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Hi Chris, I have documented information on NICOLAS GARCIA and BRIGIDA REYES. Bautismos 1841-1842 IMAGE 351 of 481 Asuncion de Maria Aguascalientes. This is where I am having a difficult time trying to decipher the Birth of Nicolas Garcia. En la Villa de Aguascalientes el veinte de Marzo de mil ochocientos cuarenta dos, El Padre Do Monico Rangel de Licentia Parrochi Bautiso Solamnemte y puso los Santo Oleos a MARIA PATRICIA que nacio el dia Diez y Site a las Ocho de La Manana, Barrio el Salite, hija legitima de Camilo Garcia y Brigida Reyes, Abuelos Paternos Jose Maria Garcia y Vicenta Bocanegra, Abuelos Maternos; ANTONIO REYES y JOSEFA LOSANO Padrinos Jose Maria Paredes Y Josefa Bocanegra. You said in your reply that Brigida's father surname was Robalcaba and her mother was Josefa Reyes. Is it possible that you are describing a total different Brigida Reyes. I m still at a loss regarding my gg grandfather, Nicolas Garcia location of his Bautismo. can anybody shed some light to this

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Maria Vicenta Aguilar Bocanegra

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Dear Arturo

Jose Maria Garcia is the son of Antonio Garica and Eusebia Martinez
Maria Vicenta Aguilar (aka Vicenta Bocanegra) is the daughter of Leonicio Aguilar and Eusebia Bocanegra.
Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilar is the son of Jose Maria Garcia and Maria Vicenta Aguilar Bocanegra

Name Jose Maria Garcia
Gender Male
Wife Maria Vicenta Aguilar
Son Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilar
Name Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilar
Gender Male
Christening Date 19 Jul 1809
Christening Place EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO
Father's Name Jose Maria Garcia
Mother's Name Maria Vicenta Aguilar
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMMC-S9T : 12 December 2014), Jose Maria Garcia in entry for Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilar, 19 Jul 1809; citing EL SAGRARIO,AGUASCALIENTES,AGUASCALIENTES,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 299,455.

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Jose Antonio Reyes
mentioned

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Brigida Reyes/ Abuelos de Camilo Garcia

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Hi R.A. Ricci, appreciate what you are doing. Here what I have on Camilo Garcia Aguilar; Had this particular document for the past 7 years, but have not had much luck breaking through this wall.. BAUTISMOS de CASTAS 1807-1812; Aguascalientes Asuncion de Maria;
Enla Yglesia Parroquial de esta Villa de Aguascalientes el Diez y Nueve del mes de Julio de mil ochocientos y nueve anos. el Presbiterio Don Eufracio Carrillo como teniente del Presbiterio Don Ygnacio Jose Rincon Gallardo Cura Ynterino baptize solamnemte y puse los Santos Oleos y Chrisma a JOSE CAMILO YNDIO, que nacioen esta Villa dia quince del corriente mes Hijo legitimo de Jose Maria Garcia y de Maria Vicenta Aguilar vecinos de esta dicha Villa. Sus Abuelos Paternos Jose Bartolo Garcia (Different from your Antonio Garcia above)y Maria Margarita Salas ( also different from your Eusebia Martinez above) y Maternos Dionicio Aguilar (different first name from your Leonicio above) y Maria Eucebia Vocanegra.

Am I in the right

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Gonzalez Ruvalcaba y Lozano and Reyes

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Dear Arturo,

I believe that Chris is right, we are dealing with the same Brigida, and she has Gonzalez Ruvalcaba Lozano and Reyes in her ancestry. Where I disagree with Chris is where she gets the ruvalcaba from. I am only guessing but I think she gets it from the Gonzalez-Ruvalcaba y Lozano of the family from her maternal grandmother.

Jose Dionicio Aguilar is the same person as Leonicio Aguilar. I have often seen Dionicio and Leonicio used interchangeably.

There is however an issue between the abuelo paternos that you name and the ones that I name. They are not the same people.

Please check out the baptismal certificate for Jose Andres Garcia

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8P1-V3F

Image 483 out of 502
Date 7/Feb1816
Aguascalientes

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBGS-VL7?i=482&wc=M6QX-NPD…
Vicenta Aguilar
Gender Female
Husband Jose Maria Garcia
Son Jose Andres Garcia
Name Jose Andres

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Thank You

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Thank You

Different grandparents

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Dear Arturo and Chris,

Since we have two different primary sources identifying different paternal grandparents, I am guessing that one couple is the biological parents of Jose Maria Garcia and the second set may have been his adoptive parents. I am theorizing that his parents passed away and he was taken in by family. Just a theory.

R.A.Ricci

Gonzalez Rubalcava

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Hi Arturo,

I actually am not taking a position on where the Robalcava name comes from, I'm just reading the record. If it comes from her mother, than one of the records is wrong, but, the Brigida's are definitely the same. The problem is the multiple names. I actually am not sure that all the errors are from the various records, some may come from the family itself. There's too many different names for them to all be mistakes of the priest or the scribe. I'm thinking something else may be going on here. Possibly, Brigida's parentage was not fully known, or came to light at a later date, or some other scenario. Also, now I'm not sure any of these names are correct. It's unusual not to find any records for names in Aguascalientes, which is pretty well indexed. There doesn't appear to be an Antonio Reyes and Josefa Lozano in this time frame or an Ygnacio Robalcava and Josefa Reyes either. Here's a similarly named couple to the Brigida Robalcava record, it's for a Eustaquio Robalcava and

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Jose Andres Garcia

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Hi R.A. Ricci, well if this is true, it puts a different spin on things. My certificate of Camilo Garcia, indicates that he is YNDIO, the question is, Jose Andres and Camilo Garcia are both hijos legitimos of Jose Maria Garcia and Vicenta
Aguilar. However on his Bautismo, dated July 19, 1809, Asuncion de Maria Aguascalientes, Bautismos de castas 1807-1812, Image 272 and 273, lists his parents as:

Father: Jose Maria Garcia
Mother: Maria Vicenta Aguilar
Abuelos Paternos: Jose Bartolo Garcia y Maria Margarita Salas
Abuelos Maternos: Jose Dionicio Aguilar y Maria Eucevia Vocanegra

According to your research: Parents of Jose Maria Garcia are:
Antonio Garcia and Eusebia Martinez, info extracted from Bautismo of Jose Andres Garcia, Feb. 7, 1816 Image 483 of 502 Espanol.

The problems are, Camilo is caste as Yndio.
Jose Andres as Espanol
Camilo's Abuelos are Jose Bartolo Garcia y Maria Margarita Salas
as indicated in his bautismo July

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Jose Andres Garcia

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Arturo, Rick,

This is the first time I've come across a family that has used this many different names. It makes it very difficult to track down. Here's more names for you. Camilo Garcia is the son of Jose Maria Salas and Vicenta Aguilar. Jose Maria Salas and Vicenta Aguilar were married on 1 October 1808. Jose Maria Salas is the natural born son of Margarita Salas. Vicenta Aguilar is the daughter of Dionicio Aguilar and Eusebia Lopez, another new apellido.

Marriage of Jose Maria Salas and Vicenta Aguilar:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6P83-8V6

Chris

Jose Andres Garcia

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I would agree, however, I have documents through bautismos and matrimonios that discount this theory. Jose Maria was a very common first and middle name during those periods. My ancestry documented history begins with my bisabuelos paternos, Jose Angel Garcia Macias and Francisca Natalia Mendoza Tiscareno. I took a trip to Aguascalientes, and interviewed my cousin x2, Maria de Los Dolores Garcia Ruiz de La Pena 90x yrs of age daughter of my great uncle Ricardo Garcia Mendoza, also collected the book Cuatro Valores Aguascalentenses, author by Jose Antonio de La Torre Garcia, written in honor of his grandfather Jose Angel Garcia Macias,uncle Rafael Garcia Macias and Primos Ricardo Garcia Mendoza and Antonio Garcia Mendoza. During this trip I was able to gathered names and dates of birth of Jose Angel and Francisca Natalia sons and daughters. Through this research the names of abuelos paternos always mentioned Nicolas Garcia Reyes and Pantaleona Macias, and for children of Nicolas and

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Jose Andres Garcia

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Hi Arturo,

Jose Maria is a very common name in that era. But, Jose Maria with the exact same named mother, (Margarita Salas) and the exact same named wife, (Vicenta Aguilar), who also happens to have the exact same named father, (Dionicio Aguilar) and a mother with the exact same given name, (Eusebia), is far less common. This doesn't mean Bartolo Garcia isn't his father, it just means he's a natural born child. I also don't believe this is the last hijo natural. This would also explain why there's no marriages for some of these couples, even though this is one of the best indexed areas. I would also not rely too heavily on everything that was told by family members, until it's backed up with records. I was told various things by family members, much of which turned out inaccurate, or, in some cases, completely wrong, once the actual records were found. I think there's little doubt that this is the correct Jose Maria Garcia(Salas).

Chris

From: "winonade14@sbcglobal.net"

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Camilo Garcia

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Hi Chris, hijos/hijas naturales was very common based on my encounter of certificates I came across,(not in the Garcia Clan)I have not found one certificate suggesting that. I need to correct one statement, Jose Angel Garcia Macias and Francisca Natalia Mendoza Tiscareno are my maternal bisabuelos. I am the son of Francisca Garcia Yanez and Fernando de Leon Medina, my grandparents
were Jose Jesus Garcia Mendoza and Emilia (Edmigda) Yanez Macias, Emilia was the Natural daughter of Alejandro Yanez of Pinos Zacatecas and Teresa Macias Guardado Villa Garcia Zacatecas. My interview with Maria de Los Dolores Garcia Ruiz de La Pena, was confirming what I already had from my grandfather sons and daughters, here in Texas. She did not suggest nor influence me in anyway as to the family in Aguascalientes, social and educational status. All that information is recorded in their defunciones . In addition streets bearing their names in Aguascalientes because of their musical contributions to the

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Camilo Garcia

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Hi Arturo,

No one is suggesting anything about hijos naturales and the Garcia's. I have dozens of hijos naturales in my family. I'm suggesting that that's one possible explanation for the inconsistencies in records and multiple apellidos. I'm also not suggesting that you disregard your families oral and written history, I'm just suggesting that it needs to be confirmed with actual records, and, if those records show contradictory evidence, than you may need to disregard portions of what you may have heard. All of us in the forum are trying to assist you. I believe both records that I provided are your correct ancestors. I believe if your review them thoroughly you will come to the same conclusion.

Chris

Camilo Garcia

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Hello everyone,

I agree with Chris in that this one is a big puzzle with many pieces but we are having trouble putting them together because of multiple use of names and information about what seems to be the same.people. The issue about different races is really not an issue. I have seen the same person referred to as three or four different racial classifications. Sometimes they would look at the color of the skin of the child and come up with the classification. I have seen the same person classified as mestizo, tresalvo, and espanol; each classification in a different document. The issue here is the numerous names for what seem to be the same people.

I do not have an answer for this dilemma. What I do know is that Chris has done excellent work when helping me out with my Perez-Gallo family line. I have a lot of respect for Chris's work and conjectures.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Puzzling

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Oh I am not questioning Chris abilities, capabilities and theories regarding a multitude of surnames, it is probable. In this world everything has a probability, it is that my certificates seem to direct me toward the known, and I was simply trying to FIND NICOLAS GARCIA bautismo certificate that up to this point has eluded me. I feel comfortable with Camilo Garcia bautismo certificate and the data and names within the document. It is just that BAUTISMO belonging to NICOLAS I want. Thanks Rick A. Ricci for all your help and hard work.

Arturo de Leon-Garcia

Thanks Chris

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I am going to review this entire conversation and see where I can comfortably feel the connection, based on verifiable documents. The problem with me, is that I have a one chance to get it right, (getting old). I want whoever picks the baton, that his lane be clear. Again thank you for all your hard work.

Arturo de Leon-Garcia

Thanks Chris

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Dear Arturo,

Finding Nicolas 's baptismal record may help us figure out how these puzzle pieces fit together.. I will be on the look out for it. Let me know if you find additional information. Please let me know how I can help you.

Thank you and you are welcome,
Good Luck,
Rick A. Ricci

Thanks Chris

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I'll stay in touch, if I find anything on Nicolas Garcia, I'll pass it on.
Gracias

Arturo

bautismo of Maria Patricia Garcia

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Hi Arturo,
It's not possible at all that it's a different Brigida. It is possible that this family used multiple apellidos or errors took place in various records, but the Brigida's are the same. First, there is not one baptism taking place for Camilo Garcia and Brigida Reyes, prior to the marriage of Camilo Garcia and Brigida Robalcava. Second, the Paternal grandparents are exactly the same for Camilo Garcia. Third, Camilo Garcia would have had to marry two women named Brigida, and the first Brigida would've had to have died prior to his 1835 marriage to Brigida Robalcava. And, clearly that's not the case, since Camilo Garcia and Brigida Reyes are still have children in the 1840's:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMMF-MRD
Chris

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To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 10:41 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] bautismo of Maria Patricia Garcia

Hi Chris, I have documented information on NICOLAS GARCIA and

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Nicolas Garcia

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Hi Arturo,

I think you're looking in the wrong time frame for the baptism of Nicolas Garcia. I don't think he was born in 1830, but instead closer to 1836, based on his parents marriage in July of 1835: [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-X2M3-1FG ]. Sadly, the names again are slightly different from yours, although still similar. Here the bride and groom are listed as Camilo Garcia and Brigida Robalcaba. The paternal parents are listed as Jose Maria Garcia and Visenta Aguilar. The Maternal parents are listed as Ygnacio Robalcaba and Josefa Reyes. Brigida apparently used her mother's name. This new name of Robalcaba may help in your search.

Chris

Jose Camilo Garcia Aguilar

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Nicolas Garcia Reyes

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Thank you Chris, I am familiar with the Robalcaba and Nicolas connection. I am going to look it up again and see where it takes me. Thank you

Arturo

Jose Maria Saavedra

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone tell me what these two words mean on this defuncion for Jose
Maria Saavedra.

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Jose Maria Saavedra

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It says "herrero" (blacksmith), indígena (indian)". Indígena literally means local or native, but in this particular case means specifically "indian", a term that was common in colonial times but less favoured in independent Mexico. That after "indigena" the text clarifies "del mismo origen y vecindad" (same birthplace and residence than the person above), makes clear that with "indigena" he was trying to say "indian" and not only just "native".

Jose Maria Saavedra

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Carlos,

Thank you. I have a question for you, Im researching my first cousins family because she doesn't really know how to and she has lots Salgados and im wondering where your Salgados are from, hers are from San Pablo Meoqui.

Danny C. Alonso

Translating words in context

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Dear Danny,

Never translate words in isolation. Look up the words and get a word definition, but always remember that how the word is used and when it is used is important. Blacksmith is misspelled but it's a death record so you will often find a profession after a deceased persons name. If it had been a marriage record then you would expect espanol or tresalvo or Indio instead of a profession. I have seem some marriage records with a profession after a name but this is not common.

As to the native word, it does not mean Indian here. You have to look at the word "indigena" here with the other words in the rest of the sentence. It is in a death record, not a marriage record, and it is right after the profession is given. In this case the record states that he and his wife are originally from there and that they were known to be residents there.

Translating words in context

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Thank you Mr. Ricci. I appreciate it. I

Jose Maria Saavedra

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and thank you everyone who helped me. im trying to accomplish a lot of geneology during summer and I really appreciate all of your help

Danny C. Alonso

Your welcome

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Dear Danny,

Your welcome. Your thanks are greatly appreciated. I am impressed with your devotion to genealogy at such a young age. I was interested in it at your age but mostly listened as my tio (great uncle) Doctor Rito Romo Franco would explain to me his latest findings. He would also tell me how I was related to the many people that we met while walking around town.

There was one lady, a great great aunt, that I thought was really old because she was in her seventies. I would later visit her when she was in her eighties and nineties. She lived to be over one hundred. She passed away decades ago so some of her stories were very old. She was a partera "birth nurse" for many people in the town so she always had stories about how this person was related to that person.

One of my favorite stories is the one a great great aunt of mine would tell me of when she was a little child hiding in a tree and throwing fruit at Santo Toribio Romo as he walked down the street. She made him

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Jose Maria Saavedra

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Thank you Mr.Ricci. I would like to go to Mexico an meet my relatives one day. I been wanting to go for a while but my mom doesnt think its safe right now. but I will definetly go one day. Thank you for your help.

Danny C. Alonso

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

I believe they say herrero ( iron smith, his profession ) and indigena (
indigent is the word for word translation but I think they are trying to
say that he was native )
On Jun 15, 2016 4:21 PM, "Danny Alonso" wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
>
> Could someone tell me what these two words mean on this defuncion for Jose
> Maria Saavedra. It's on the bottom of the page on the right and it's the
> two words immediately after it says 68 años
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P58-4D3
>
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Oops, my bad: herrero, and indigena with an "a" at the end. herrero =
blacksmith, indigena = indigenous ( native ). Sorry I had not read all off
your comments before my first response. I noticed I made a mistake.
On Jun 15, 2016 9:18 PM, "Eduardo Seoane" wrote:

> I believe they say herrero ( iron smith, his profession ) and indigena (
> indigent is the word for word translation but I think they are trying to
> say that he was native )
> On Jun 15, 2016 4:21 PM, "Danny Alonso" wrote:
>
>> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>>
>>
>> Could someone tell me what these two words mean on this defuncion for Jose
>> Maria Saavedra. It's on the bottom of the page on the right and it's the
>> two words immediately after it says 68 años
>>
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P58-4D3
>>
>>
>> Danny C. Alonso

Jose Maria Saavedra

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Hello Everyone,

I wanted to thank everyone that helped me with reading my ancestor Jose
MAria Saavedra's record, Mr. Ricci, Angelina, Ashlynn, Alicia, Donna,
Esther, Eduardo, Maria, Stella, and everyone that I might have missed. I
really appreciate all your help and assistance. thank you very much.

Danny C. Alonso

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Your welcome Danny, sorry i couldn't get the right translation for you. I
was
learning too! So glad you got the correct answer now!

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

That's why the forum is so good because there's so many people
contributing. and I really appreciate everyone's help because I'm trying to
get a bunch of geneology done in the next few months before school comes
back.

Danny C. Alonso

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Donna Gonzalez
wrote:

> Your welcome Danny, sorry i couldn't get the right translation for you. I
> was
> learning too! So glad you got the correct answer now!

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Danny,

I am doing a family tree for my adopted daughter. Her g-g grandfather was an Estevan Saavedra. He was from Degollado and Arandas in Jalisco. Saavedra is an unusual name (for me). I wonder if Estevan was related to your Jose Saavedra. Do you know the origin of that surname?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:14:11 -0700
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Saavedra
>
> That's why the forum is so good because there's so many people
> contributing. and I really appreciate everyone's help because I'm trying to
> get a bunch of geneology done in the next few months before school comes
> back.
>
> Danny C. Alonso
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Donna Gonzalez
> wrote:
>
> > Your welcome Danny, sorry i couldn't get the right translation for you. I
> > was
> > learning too! So glad you got the correct answer now!

Jose Maria Saavedra

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Emilie,

i missed this email. I heard the name a lot. I think Saavedra is pretty
common. I looked it up and it says its a goth name meaning Old House. I
asked my mom and she says goths are people that wear black makeup in
school, so i think these are different goths. If you tell me who your
Saavedra's ancestors are I can see if they link with mine.

Danny C. Alonso

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

> Danny,
>
> I am doing a family tree for my adopted daughter. Her g-g grandfather was
> an Estevan Saavedra. He was from Degollado and Arandas in Jalisco.
> Saavedra is an unusual name (for me). I wonder if Estevan was related to
> your Jose Saavedra. Do you know the origin of that surname?
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:14:11 -0700
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Saavedra
> >
> > That's why the forum is so good because there's so many people
> >

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Jose Maria Saavedra

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Hi Danny,

These would be the Visigoths or western Goths -a Germanic tribe that invaded Rome in the 4th century and ruled Spain in the early Dark Ages.

Chris

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

herrero = blacksmith,

indigeno = indigenous

Thus an indigenous blacksmith. The surname Herrera comes from the word
Herrero., son of an herrero, son of a blacksmith.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

Blacksmith and from there

Comment

Even though the spelling is a little off it does mean blacksmith. The second word should be taken in context with the words that are written after that. It is saying that he , like his wife, are both originally , and residents, from that same area.

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

It sounds like (Hebrew)

*Hevreo indigena*
Maybe someone else knows different.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Hi Danny,

I don't know if I can help much but I'll try. The word for "hebrew" in
Spanish is "hebreo" and "v" and "b" are sometimes used interchangeably for
one another in a word. Though the writer wrote "hebrero". Still I think
Esther may be onto something.

From what limited amount I can read the woman has the same origin and comes
from the same vicinity as the legitimate son Jose. I know that many Jews
came over from Spain and the Iberian Peninsula and intermarried in Mexico.
My family has some Jewish blood from the Acevedo and Mercado sides. The
writer may be describing this woman and her son Jose (if i'm reading that
correctly) as being Jewish/Hebrew in origin. Maybe another person can
better translate this article.

Hope this helps a bit.
Good luck!
-Donna

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Esther Jordan wrote:

> It sounds like (Hebrew)
>
> *Hevreo indigena*
> Maybe someone else knows different.
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Danny Alonso
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Nuestros

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Jose Maria Saavedra

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Hello Danny,

I read "herrero, indigeno". Which means he was a blacksmith of native
origin.

-Angelina-

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Thank you Everyone. but now i'm a little confused. is he Hebrew or a
blacksmith or is he native American?

Danny C. Alonso

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:50 PM, wrote:

> Hello Danny,
>
> I read "herrero, indigeno". Which means he was a blacksmith of native
> origin.
>
> -Angelina-
>
>

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Hi Danny,

He's a Blacksmith, not a Jew. The word is herrero, not hevrero, which isn't
the word for Hebrew either way. Hebrew would be Hebreo, but, if he was a
Jew, they would've wrote Judío, not Hebreo. The second word, indígena, I
believe is referring to him being native to the same region of San Luis
Potosí, not of being indigenous in origin.

Have a great day,

Ashlynn

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Thank you Everyone. but now i'm a little confused. is he Hebrew or a
> blacksmith or is he native American?
>
> Danny C. Alonso
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:50 PM, wrote:
>
> > Hello Danny,
> >
> > I read "herrero, indigeno". Which means he was a blacksmith of native
> > origin.
> >
> > -Angelina-
> >
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Jose Maria Saavedra

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If it's herrero then it means iron worker or Blacksmith. The problem is that it looks more like hevrero.
Then the next word means indicates, so ti is saying they are getting the information from his wife who is from the same area.

Jose Maria Saavedra

Comment

Thank you Mr. Ricci. I really appreciate it.

Danny C. Alonso

Teodoro Duran and Anastacia Viramontes " Zacatecas"

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Genealogy Research

these two people are my great,great,great grandparents I think Teodoro was born 1830 could be off Anastacia is born in 1830 Zacatecas state area one of their kids was Jose Trinidad Duran born about 1

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Teodoro Duran and Anastasia Viramontes

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here is Trinidad Duran s second marriage

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5V8-9ZFF

Theres some Viramontes getting married on the opposite page, maybe theyre related to Anastasia Viramontes

Danny C. Alonso

Teodoro Duran and Anastasia Viramontes

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just wanted to say thank you for helping me with my family search.

Announce Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1

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Joseph,
Glad to hear you've recovered from the car accident.

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Announce Digest, Vol 107, Issue 1

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Aaaaw, what a disappointment for us, Joseph, but good for you. Arturo would be a great leader also if he was chosen. Marge.

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Que Lastima!

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Joseph,

I was just accepted to Nuestros Ranchos and now you are sadly moving on. Best of luck to you.

La Hija del Charro

Teresa de Herrera y Quijas

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Does anyone know who the parents are to Teresa de Herrera Quijas married to Domingo Martin(es) de Sotomayor. They were married Marriage: 25 APR 1666 Aguascalientes, Mexico

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Theresa de Herrera y Quijas

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Hi Simona,

Theresa de Herrera y Quijas is my 11th great grandmother and based on her name, I'm guessing she's the daughter of Captain don Pedro de Quijas Escalante and Catalina de Saldaña, daughter of Antonio de Alcaraz and Leonor Herrera de Saldaña.

Chris

Quijas, Quixas y Cuixas

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Don Pedro de Quijas Escalante married to Catalina de Saldaña, are my 7th great grandparents through Phelipa. They were the first I looked at as they have Herrera in their line. The timeline is right. I have 14 children for them.
Thanks for the info Chris!

Manuea Mireles and Pedro de Arias

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm trying to locate the parents of Manuela Mireles and Pedro de Arias.
There children were from San Luis Potosi and Zacatecas, but these people
got married in a place

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Manuea Mireles and Pedro de Arias

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Hi Danny,
Based on this marriage of 1722, I'm guessing Manuela Mireles was born about 1700. There is a well known Mireles family from Nuevo Leon. The Domingo Mireles could correspond to Domingo de Castro Mireles Caballero who did use the name Domingo de Mireles. He lived in the same time frame as your Manuela Mireles. I don't believe he was old enough to be the father, but, it's possible he is the brother. I'm not really that familiar with these Nuevo Leon families, but, I have seen his named mention on several genealogies compiled by John Inclan. You might want to check those.
Chris

From: Danny Alonso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 5:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Manuea Mireles and Pedro de Arias

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm trying to locate the parents of Manuela Mireles and Pedro de Arias.
There children were from San Luis Potosi and Zacatecas, but these people
got married in a place called Nuevo Leon, i don't know how close

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Domingo -------Mireles

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Dear Danny,

This person may be an ancestor.

Domingo Goncalez Mireles
Mexico Baptisms
Name Domingo Goncalez Mireles
Gender Male
Christening Date 25 Apr 1660
Christening Place SANTA FE,GUANAJUATO,GUANAJUATO,MEXICO
Father's Name Antonio Goncalez
Mother's Name Ana De Mireles
CITING THIS RECORD
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBJG-77H : 12 December 2014), Domingo Goncalez Mireles, 25 Apr 1660; citing SANTA FE,GUANAJUATO,GUANAJUATO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 668,901.

BUENAS NOICIAS DE TESTAMENTOS EN LINEA PARA AGUASCALIENTES

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HOLA A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS QUE ESTAN BUSCANDO INFORMACION DE ANTEPASADOS EN AGUASCALIENTES LES COMENTO QUE TODOS LOS DOCUMENTOS NOTARIALES DE LA EPOCA DE LA COLONIA ESTAN YA EN LA RED, TESTAMENTOS, CAR

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TESTAMENTOS EN LINEA PARA AGUASCALIENTES

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¿Funciona todavía esta página?

TESTAMENTOS EN LINEA PARA AGUASCALIENTES

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SI FUNCIONA TODAVIA ACABO DE INGRESAR

Error en la direccion para Los Archivos del Estado de Aguascalie

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Les paso el link activo donde ya esta el acceso a los Archivos del Archivo
Historico de Aguascalientes:

http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/

Saludos y Excelente noticia!!

Ojala ahora sigamos con proyectos de transcripcion de documentos de orden
Notarial y Judicial!

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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:42 PM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] BUENAS NOICIAS DE TESTAMENTOS EN LINEA
PARAAGUASCALIENTES

> HOLA A TODOS LOS MIEMBROS QUE ESTAN BUSCANDO INFORMACION DE ANTEPASADOS EN
> AGUASCALIENTES LES COMENTO QUE TODOS LOS DOCUMENTOS NOTARIALES DE LA EPOCA
> DE LA COLONIA ESTAN YA EN LA RED, TESTAMENTOS, CARTAS DE DOTE MATRIMONIAL
> Y ESCRITURAS. SOLO TIENEN QUE INGRESAR A LA SIGUIENTE PAGUINA DE INTERNET
> ES www.sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx un saludo
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Transcripciones!!

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Gracias por la liga, Paco.

Qué bueno que continues con el proyecto de transcripciones. Ojalá que puedas colocar las transcripciones en una base de datos que pueda ser accesada por buscadores de internet (Bing, Google, etc.), de manera que pueda ser de utilidad para cualquier investigador. ¡Este es un magnífico proyecto!

Luis

> From: pacoromog@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:58:41 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Error en la direccion para Los Archivos del Estado de Aguascalientes!
>
> Les paso el link activo donde ya esta el acceso a los Archivos del Archivo
> Historico de Aguascalientes:
>
> http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/
>
>
> Saludos y Excelente noticia!!
>
> Ojala ahora sigamos con proyectos de transcripcion de documentos de orden
> Notarial y Judicial!

Transcripciones!!

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el sitio web de los documnetos historicos honestamente pienso que no es funcional, es poco intuitivo, muy lento y de aspecto horrible. Creo que todavia no está listo para ser sublico. Sin embargo me parece que es bastante util.

Miguel Beltran

Martinez de sotomaior de Tepa?

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Alguien sabe quienes son los padres de Jose maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo y de Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor en tepatitlan cerca de 1770? son padres de Josefa de San Ramon Gonzalez Martin o martinez bautizada por 1784.. la acabo de encontrar es mi gggggrandmother...gracias LetyR

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Martinez de sotomaior de Tepa?

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Hola Lety, no tengo el nombre de los padres de José María González de Hermosillo y Mariana Bonifasia Martín de Sotomayor, pero tengo su fecha de matrimonio en 03 de marzo de 1783 en Tepatitlán de Morelos, espero te sirva el dato.

Y como desciendes de María Josefa de San Ramón González de Hermosillo?

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Jorge Luis Ramirez G----Martinez de sotomaior de Tepa?

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Gracias Jorge.. de este lado no somos primos..? jajjajajaja bueno creo que si algún día necesito un riñon (toco madera). te voy a hablar a ti primero

bueno susana Contreras mi mamá es hija de Juan Alfonso Contreras Arias y Emma Coronado Gutierrez

Emma Coronado es hija de Eberardo Coronado ( perdido) y de Maria Andrea Gutierrez Moreno

Maria Andrea Gutierrez es hija de Juan Gutierrez Moreno y de Maria Josefa Rada Gonzalez

Maria Josefa Rada es hija de Cristobal Rada y de Juliana Gonzalez Gomez (ella de Corazón de Jesus Tecolotlan) sus padres Alexo Gonzalez y Josefa Gomez (ambos perdidos!!)

Cristobal Rada es hijo de Pedro Nolasco Rada y de Josefa Ramona Gonzalez

Josefa de San Ramon Gonzalez es hija de Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo y de Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor

>
> Y como desciendes de María Josefa de San Ramón González de Hermosillo?
>
> L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
> Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
>

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Jorge Luis Ramirez G----Martinez de sotomaior de Tepa?

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No sabía que María Josefa de San Ramón González de Hermosillo se haya casado con Pedro Nolasco Rada. Interesante.

Cada día se descubren cosas nuevas.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Martinez de sotomaior- Rada

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Tiene alguien idea de quien es Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo y de dónde viene Mariana Martinez o Martin de Sotomayor? es el mismo que era General casado con una Jauregui y a quien se le atribuye el nombre de Hermosillo?

sabe alguien algo de Estanislao Rada casdo con Micaela Ahumada padres de Pedro Rada? saludos Lety R

Name
Maria Severa Josefa Rada Gonzalez

Gender
Female

Christening date
09 Nov 1818

Christening place
SAGRARIO METROPOLITANO,GUADALAJARA,JALISCO,MEXICO

Birth date
07 Nov 1818

Father name
Pedro Nolasco Rada

Mother name
Maria Josefa Gonzalez

Maternal grandfather name
Josef Maria Gonzalez De Hermocillo

Maternal grandmother name
Mariana Martin De Sotomayor

Batch number
C60316-5

Record group
Mexico-ODM

Film number
38331

>
>
> No sabía que María Josefa de San Ramón González de Hermosillo se haya casado con Pedro Nolasco Rada. Interesante.
>
>
>
> Cada día se descubren cosas nuevas.
>
> L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

>
>
>
>

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Gonzalez de Hermosillo

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Hola Lety:

Los padres del General Insurgente Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo fueron:
Andres de Hermosillo y Doña Rosalía de Chavez y Romero. La esposa del
General fue: Maria Guadalupe Jimenez y Aure.

No tengo información sobre Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor, lo siento.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "leticia reynoso"
To: "s s"
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 20:02
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Martinez de sotomaior de Tepa?

Alguien sabe quienes son los padres de Jose maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo y
de Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor en tepatitlan cerca de 1770? son padres de
Josefa de San Ramon Gonzalez Martin o martinez bautizada por 1784.. la acabo
de encontrar es mi gggggrandmother...gracias LetyR

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Gonzalez de Hermosillo

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Hola a todos, yo tengo una acta de nacimiento de Josê Marîa Gionzalez Hermosillo que dice asi: hijo de Juan Gonzalez Hrermosillo y Maria Robledo. El acta es de Tepatitlân y tiene fecha de 1779.

Ruben Casillas M.

--- El vie 21-may-10, John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@verizon.net> escribió:

De: John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: viernes, 21 de mayo de 2010, 15:08

Hola Lety:

Los padres del General Insurgente Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo fueron: Andres de Hermosillo y Doña Rosalía de Chavez y Romero. La esposa del General fue: Maria Guadalupe Jimenez y Aure.

No tengo información sobre Mariana Martinez de Sotomayor, lo siento.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

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Hola Grupo y Buenas Tardes,
Any help with my ancestors (??) is greatly appreciated. All info is from IGI and films, and as far as I can tell ends here:
Domingo Antonio Rubio b. about 1736 Puerto de Sta Maria, Sevilla, Espana
His parents: Juan Rubio   b. ??   and Magdelena Godoy   b. ?? I assume in Spain.
Petra de Anaya Villagran b. 05/22/1740 Huichapan, Hidalgo, Mexico
Her parents:   Miguel Anaya Villagran   b. about 1698 Huichapan, Hidalgo
                        Angela Alcantara Navarrete   b. ??

Earlier I had solicited help with the situation of determing between two Marcos Sepulbeda born 1695 and 1696 (with different parents named).  I knew my Marcos de Sepulbeda married Maria Margarita Franco on 02/08/1717 in Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco and ordered the film, only to discover that no parents are named at all--in any of the entries from that book!   Imagine my disappointment that padrinos were named, but no parents.   Is this an unusual situation, or something to

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Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

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The padrinos sometimes provide a clue. I believe that I descend from a marcos sepulveda, or at least a sibling of one so I will search my paperwork this week and get back to you.
I found the same thing about the older books but there are less people the farther you go back and it is easier to go through older paperwork like trials, Wills, land ownership to look for clues.
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Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:48:16
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

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Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

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Where do you find the older paperwork: trial, wills, etc? I look forward to hearing from you soon. Thanks so much, Alice

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 7:22 PM

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From: Alice Blake
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:48:16
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

Hola Grupo y Buenas Tardes,
Any help with my ancestors (

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Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

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Alice,

I feel your pain at not finding the names of the bride and groom's parents on the marriage records. Now it only means you have to get more creative and find the birth of the grandchildren which will surely have the names of the parents on the baptismal records.

For some reason, there are certain rolls of film for certain periods that don't include the parent's names. I don't know if it was by decree from Spain, from the church or just lazy Parish scribe or priest but it seems to occur in specific time / year spans.

Alicia Carrillo,

from your tocaya Alicia, which is Alice in Spanish.

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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 10:48:16 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

Hola Grupo y Buenas Tardes,
Any help with my ancestors (??) is greatly appreciated. All info is from IGI and films, and as far as I can tell ends here:
Domingo Antonio Rubio b. about 1736 Puerto

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Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

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Hello Alicia,
It's funny how genealogy has the ability to bring you up just as quickly as you're let down.
The pain I was avoiding was the one I feel in my pocket from ordering so many films! Since there were two contemporaries with the same name, I thought I'd order the sure thing-the marriage film of the correct Marcos and get the parents of both. Now the only thing I can think of is to order a film I found that contains two of the couple's children, and hope the grandparents are named. Although, it wouldn't be the first time I've found grandparents omitted!
This little dip in the road was made up by the discovery of my gggggrandfather and mother in the 1766 Santander padron. I was searching one page at a time and accidently scrolIed rapidly down, skipping too many pages. Yet before me on page 47 were my ancestors. It was an incredible feeling that I was now privy to their actual address, complete with a map! It didn't further my generational search, but it was terrific

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Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

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Alice, are your Navarrete from Michoacan?
Linda in Marietta

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Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 12:43:17 AM
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Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

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Hello Linda,
I really don't know; Angela Alcantara Navarrette is newly acquired family. Her marriage to Miguel Anaya Villagran on 01/13/1719 was in Huichapan, Hidalgo; however, I haven't found any definitve birth info on her. The only birth entry I've found states about 1705, possibly Huichapan, but the same entry states marriage about 1723 and doesn't have a film number, so I don't have much confidence in it. Alice

--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:

From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:06 AM

Alice, are your Navarrete from Michoacan?
Linda in Marietta

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From: Alice Blake
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 12:43:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rubio/Godoy, Villagran/Alcantara Navarrete

Hello Alicia,
It's funny how genealogy has the ability to bring you up just as

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Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

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Hola Ruben y Lety

Los datos del General Insurgente Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo, que
nació el dia 2 de Febrero de 1774, en Zapotlán El Grande, (Ciudad Guzman)
fueron tomados del libro # 29 de 1792, de La Sagrada Mitra de
Guadalajara...

Aparentemente esta persona y la que menciona Ruben, son dos personas muy
distintas que llevaron el mismo nombre. Las fechas de nacimiento, lugar, y
nombres de los padres son completamente diferentes.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
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From: "ruben casillas moreno"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 04:21
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola a todos, yo tengo una acta de nacimiento de Josê Marîa Gionzalez
Hermosillo que dice asi: hijo de Juan Gonzalez Hrermosillo y Maria Robledo.
El acta es de Tepatitlân y tiene fecha de 1779.

Ruben Casillas M.

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Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar todo.
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From: "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:54:28
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola Ruben y Lety

Aparentemente esta persona y la que menciona Ruben, son dos personas muy
distintas que llevaron el mismo nombre. Las fechas de nacimiento, lugar, y
nombres de los padres son completamente diferentes.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
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Arboles diferentes

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Te sería posible mandarme copia de los dos arboles que tienes de Jose Maria
Gonzalez de Hermosillo para ver si existe una conexion a mi linea de
Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlan?

Muchisimas gracias.

J. Gonzalez

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Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero
General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar
todo.

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yo no he buscado mucho estas ramas. no mas se con hay dos diferentes ramas que gente siguen. La verdad es que viendo la informacion yo si creo que hay verdad escondida en las dos historias. Los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa tuvieron contacto y relacion con los romero de chavez de michoacan. Lucas Romero de Chavez de Michoacan se caso con Petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo Y carbajal bracamonte. Petronila nacio en tepa pero su madre era de nochistlan zacatecas. Como se ve, hay connecion entre los tres ciudades y las dos familias.

Yo creo que es posible andres gonzalez de hermosillo viene de los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa y su esposa Rosalia chavez romero es la misma que yo encontre usando el nombre Rosalia Manuela de Chaves y que bautisaron a Joseph Maria de la lus en San Miguel, Tlazazalca, Michoacan Mexico en 23 Mar 1771.

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From: John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 8:48:03 PM
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Tengo unaacta de matrimonio de un Andres Gonzalez de HermosilloenTlazazalca Michoacan en1777.
Daniel

> Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:36:56 -0700
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> yo no he buscado mucho estas ramas. no mas se con hay dos diferentes ramas que gente siguen. La verdad es que viendo la informacion yo si creo que hay verdad escondida en las dos historias. Los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa tuvieron contacto y relacion con los romero de chavez de michoacan. Lucas Romero de Chavez de Michoacan se caso con Petronila Gonzalez de Hermosillo Y carbajal bracamonte. Petronila nacio en tepa pero su madre era de nochistlan zacatecas. Como se ve, hay connecion entre los tres ciudades y las dos familias.
>
> Yo creo que es posible andres gonzalez de hermosillo viene de los gonzalez de hermosillo de Tepa y su esposa Rosalia chavez romero es la misma que yo encontre usando el nombre Rosalia Manuela

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Me puedes mandar la informacion que encontraste, los datos del matimonio de este andres gonzalez

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From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:18:47
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes

Tengo unaacta de matrimonio de un Andres Gonzalez de HermosilloenTlazazalca Michoacan en1777.
Daniel

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Yo por mas que he buscado el acta de matrimonio de Andrés González de Hermosillo y Rosalía Romero y Chávez no la escuentro, así como tampoco el acta de matrimonio del General José María González de Hermosillo con María Guadalupe Jiménez Jáuregui. ¿Quiénes son los padres de María Guadalupe?

Existen varias versiones en cuanto al lugar de nacimiento del mentado General, algunos lo mencionan de Jalostotitlán, otros de Tepatitlán, otros de Valle de Guadalupe, algunos en Mexticacán, otros de Ciudad Guzmán y aquí en el foro mencionan un posible de Tlazazalca, Michoacán. Pero a lo que yo he buscado creo que es el José María Felipe González de Hermosillo bautizado en Ciudad Guzmán el 05 de febrero de 1774, hijo legítimo de Andrés González Hermosillo y Rosalía.

También he leido que la fecha de defunción del General es en 31 de octubre de 1819 en el Rancho de Baltierra, Jalisco. Quisiera saber en que se basa esa fecha, porque en una biografía que leí sobre el general menciona una fecha

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En mis archivos personales Tengo en mi posesion copia del matrimonio de Andres Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Manuela Rosalia Romero de Chavez. Fechado 23 de abril de 1770.
Daniel

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Hola daniel
Buen trabajo, felicidades por tu exito. Quiero saber si la acta nombra los nombres de los padres.
Muchas Gracias
RA Ricci

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From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 22:50:15
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes

En mis archivos personales Tengo en mi posesion copia del matrimonio de Andres Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Manuela Rosalia Romero de Chavez. Fechado 23 de abril de 1770.
Daniel

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Hola, gracias pues el acta no dice los padres de Andres por queya era viudo de 11 meses de Eufracia de Cuellar. Si encuentreel matrimonio de Eufracia y Andres pero no le visto, le ordenaraen unos dias. Encuentre que Eufracia y Andres, primeramentecasaron en Guadalajara y tuvieron varios hijos, luego vieron en laCiudad de Mexico por cierto tiempo donde unos de los hijos era bautizada en la Capilla de Santa Catarina, Pienso que Eufraciamurio en el DF pero no lo se, es posible que luego trajo sus ninos aMorelia, y no se como pero luego parece en Tlazazalca. Donde casoa Rosalia Manuela Romero de Chavez. Ella es hija lex. de AgustinRomero de Chavez y Ana Maria Alvarez del Castillo. Andres Gonzalezde Hermosillo era natural de San Juan de los Lagos.
Daniel

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 15:52:41 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> Hola daniel
> Buen trabajo, felicidades por tu exito. Quiero saber si la

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Me puedes decir si la acta dice que el es de san juan de los lagos?
Gracias
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From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:13:04
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes

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Si la acta dice que era nativo de Nuestra Senora de San Juan.

Daniel

> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:19:54 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> Me puedes decir si la acta dice que el es de san juan de los lagos?
> Gracias
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino
> Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:13:04
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
>
> Hola, gracias pues el acta no dice los padres de Andres por queya era viudo de 11 meses de Eufracia de Cuellar. Si encuentreel matrimonio de Eufracia y Andres pero no le visto, le ordenaraen unos dias. Encuentre que Eufracia y Andres, primeramentecasaron en Guadalajara y tuvieron varios hijos, luego vieron en laCiudad de Mexico por cierto tiempo donde unos de los hijos era bautizada en la Capilla de Santa Catarina, Pienso que Eufraciamurio en el DF pero no lo

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Según Mariano González Leal el Andrés González de Hermosillo que mencionan es hijo de Diego Ildefonso González de Hermosillo y Gertrudis de Anda Altamirano; y Eufrasia Cuéllar es hija de José Dionisio Cuéllar Cortés y Mariana Figueroa Orozco.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Por casualidad tienes mas inormacion sobre la genealogia de Diego Ildefonso, Gertrudis, DIonisio y Mariana?
Daniel

> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 09:21:08 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
>
> Según Mariano González Leal el Andrés González de Hermosillo que mencionan es hijo de Diego Ildefonso González de Hermosillo y Gertrudis de Anda Altamirano; y Eufrasia Cuéllar es hija de José Dionisio Cuéllar Cortés y Mariana Figueroa Orozco.
>
> L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
> Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
> Tel.: 3781095311
> www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez
>
>
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Lamentablemente de Diego Ildefonso y Gertrudis no tengo mas datos. José Dionisio es hijo de Cayetano Cuéllar y María Feliciana Cortés; y Mariana es hija de Pedro Figueroa Sámano y Francisca Orozco.

L.C.P. Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.
Tel.: 3781095311
www.facebook.com/jorgeluis.ramirezgomez

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Arboles diferentes

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Si puedes enviarmelo tambien gracias.
Danielmendezdelcamino@live.com

> From: 1gnzlz@verizon.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 20:48:03 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Arboles diferentes
>
> To: mygenes2000
>
> Te sería posible mandarme copia de los dos arboles que tienes de Jose Maria
> Gonzalez de Hermosillo para ver si existe una conexion a mi linea de
> Gonzalez de Hermosillo de Jalostotitlan?
>
> Muchisimas gracias.
>
> J. Gonzalez
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 23:33
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo
>
>
> Yo he visto los dos en diferentes arboles y no se cual es el verdadero
> General. Buscando su acta de matrimonio o la de defuncion nos pueda aclarar
> todo.
>
>
>
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Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

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Tienes la acta de matrimonio del General?
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-----Original Message-----
From: "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:54:28
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola Ruben y Lety

Aparentemente esta persona y la que menciona Ruben, son dos personas muy
distintas que llevaron el mismo nombre. Las fechas de nacimiento, lugar, y
nombres de los padres son completamente diferentes.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
=======================================================================================================================

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From: "ruben casillas moreno"
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 04:21
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Acta Matrimonial

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mygenes2000. Lety and Ruben.

No tengo copia del acta matrimonial del General Jose Maria Gonzalez de
Hermosillo. Lo siguiente es tomado del libro " Cronologia Historica de
Teocaltiche" del escritor Samuel Contreras Sanchez (2005) :

"Cuando se dio a conocer la biogradia elaborada por Padilla, en el año de
1992, las personas interesadas en decifrar el origen de Hermosillo, se
dirigieron a Mexticacan , donde alguno de los indagantes abusando de la
amabilidad del personal del Registro Civil al prestarle el libro de registro
de familiares del susodicho personaje, desapereció y hoy no se sabe su
paradero. Pero como ya se dijo, Mexticacán era ayuda de la Parroquia de
Nochistlan, entonces ahora la mirada de los interesados se dirijio a ese
lugar, donde se encuentra la información matrimonial de Jose Maria Gonzalez
de Hermosillo y que ademas se tienen archivos de la misma en la Sagrada
Mitra de Guadalajara con la siguiente información:

En el libro #29, de 1792, de información

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Acta Matrimonial

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Gracias John Gonzalez.

Ruben Casillas M.

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Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acta Matrimonial
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: domingo, 16 de mayo de 2010, 14:42

To:
mygenes2000. Lety and Ruben.

No tengo copia del acta matrimonial del General Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Lo siguiente es tomado del libro " Cronologia Historica de Teocaltiche" del escritor Samuel Contreras Sanchez (2005) :

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Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

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No , no tengo el acta de matrimonio ddel General, el acta que yo tengo puede ser de otra persona con el mismo nombre, tu ttienes el acta ? quienes fueron sus padres uo abuelos?
Gracias.

Ruben Casillas M.

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De: mygenes2000@yahoo.com
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: domingo, 23 de mayo de 2010, 11:22

Tienes la acta de matrimonio del General?
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From: "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 21:54:28
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Hola Ruben y Lety

Aparentemente esta persona y la que menciona Ruben, son dos

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Jose Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo

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Hola a todos,

Para los interesados en los orígenes genealógicos del Mariscal José María
Gonzalez de Hermosillo, aquí les envío el siguiente link
http://www.rickrod.com/jmgh/ con los resultados finales de mi investigación.

Gracias al trabajo en equipo y después de muchos años de investigación se
logra por fin encontrar, sin dejar alguna duda, el vínculo del Mariscal José
María González de Hermosillo con Juan González de Hermosillo, genearca de
este linaje de la Nueva Galicia.

Quedo a las órdenes de ustedes para cualquier pregunta.

Saludos a todos,

Ricardo Rodríguez Camarena

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

Sociedad de Genealogía e Historia de Los Altos de Jalisco

Lista de Dotes - Archivo de Aguascalientes [Marriage Dowry Docs]

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Hi all (primos):

I have gone through most of the list of available DOTES (marriage dowry) records and made my notations for easier look-up. Hopefully, this will help some members. *please note, there may be some typing errors - they are rough-notes for record searches I was not planning to share. So forgive the lower-case and such...

[ESPANOL FROM GOOGLE TRANSLATE: He pasado por la mayor parte de la lista de dotes disponibles (dote) registros e hizo que mi anotaciones para facilitar su mirada en marcha. Con suerte, esto ayudará a algunos miembros. * Tenga en cuenta, puede haber algunos errores de escritura - son ásperas secciones relativas a las búsquedas conste en acta que no tenía intención de compartir. Así que perdona el menor caso, y tal ... ]

DOTES AGUASCALIENTES: http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/axweb/
INSTRUCTIONS:
1) GO TO SITE LINK ABOVE
2) ENTER LOGIN/PASSWORD GIVEN ON HOME PAGE
3) DOUBLE-CLICK ON SGG-ARCHIVO-HISTORICO - FONDO NOTARIAL
4) IN 1ST DROP-DOWN MENU

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It's very generous of you to provide this link but I am unable to locate a sign-in or password
Sincerely,
Raymond Medrano
raymond-rmm@sbcglobal.net

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From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lista de Dotes - Archivo de Aguascalientes [Marriage Dowry Docs]
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 11:58 PM

Hi all (primos):

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Raymond:

the username is: sigue.publica
the password is: publica

Lo que das fructifica. Lo que te guardas se pudre.
Miguel Beltran

Lista de Dotes - Archivo de Aguascalientes [Marriage Dowry Docs]

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Claudia:

Muchas gracias por tu generosidad al compartirlo. Seguro a mas de alguno nos será de utilidad.

Lo que das fructifica. Lo que te guardas se pudre.
Miguel Beltran

BUENAS NOICIAS DE TESTAMENTOS EN LINEA PARAAGUASCALIENTES

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Excelente Noticia!! Ya me habian anticipado algo pero sin Fecha!!

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From:
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:42 PM
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] BUENAS NOICIAS DE TESTAMENTOS EN LINEA
PARAAGUASCALIENTES

Archivos Notariales

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Quisiera saber cómo funciona la pagina web, requiero un testamento de TEODOSIA MARTINEZ DE SOTOMAYOR, El testamento de Teodosia Martínez de Sotomayor
(12/08/1737 en Ags), en la segunda página declara haberse casado con Joseph López (Portillo) del Corral "...originario del Rosario"; da el nombre de sus cuatro hijos.
No se cómo Buscar lo he echo en muchas formas, habría posibilidad de ayuda, voy a continuar intentando. gracias anticipadas.

Testamento de Teodosia Martinez de Sotomayor

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Hola-

Ve a la pantalla de buesqueda que tiene titulo de "Query Criteria for Application 'SGG-ARCHIVO-HISTORICO'". Donde dice "CONTRATANTES", ponge *Teodosia* y hage clic en "Submit"

Si esto no funciona para usted puede ver las imágenes del Testamento en el perfil de Teodosia en el sitio Wikitree:
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Mart%C3%ADnez_de_Sotomayor-16

Buen dia,
Austin Perez

searching for parents of isabel martin

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hi im searching for the parents of isabel martin who is my 3rd gr grandmother. she was born about 1825 in mexico and death dates is unknown at this time.

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Isabel Martin

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Hi Stephanie,

Do you know where in Mexico Lucas Martin and ____Gregoria are from? Also, are you sure about Gregoria being a last name? It's more of a first name. Also, do you know who Isabel Martin married and where?

Chris

re:isabel martins parents

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hi chris nice to meet you im stephanie. my information is gleaned from the following source citations as evidenced.. that was furnished through ancestry.com and through family search. it was entitled Jalisco, Mexico, Civil Registration Deaths, 1856-1987 there it was listed parents as a lucas martin and or a gregoria woman. Lucas Martin
1809–
BIRTH MARCH 1809 • San Francisco De Asis , Jocotepec, Jalisco,Mexico
DEATH UNKNOWN • Mexico also another source of citation was through family search and here is link to it as follows: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1979 Jocotepec San Francisco de Asís Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1854-1857 regarding one of the children .

re: isabel martin

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no marriage been found as of yet

ISabel Martin

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Stephanie,

was Isabel Martin married in America or Mexico and do you know who she married. Also, Gregoria woman sounds to me like Gregoria is the first name. Also, if this is on a death certificate, I'm not sure I would put a lot of faith in it. it sounds like they really didn't know.

Danny C. Alonso

re:isabel martins parents

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isabel martin was married in mexico and no death record has been found for her as of yet.

Need to know how to access the information already known

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Dear Stephanie,

In order to help you, I would need to know how to access the documents that you do have on Isabel Martin to look for clues on how to proceed. How do you know her father is Lucas Martin? How do I see that record to look for more clues for identifying her parents and grandparents? Unfortunately, Without this information I wouldn't be able to help you.

Good Luck,

R.A. Ricci

PS does Isabel have any siblings? What information do you have on Isabel and her husband?

Isabel Martin

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Hi Stephanie,

Do you know who Isabel married and what city they were married in?

Chris

Need more information in order to help

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Dear Stephanie,

I need more information in order to help you. Where did you get the information that Isabel's parents are Lucas Martin and a woman surnamed Gregoria? I would start by reviewing every word in the record that gave you this information looking for clues.

R.A.Ricci

Isabel Martins Parents

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hi i had received the source of citation that was furnished through ancestry.com and through family search. it was entitled Jalisco, Mexico, Civil Registration Deaths, 1856-1987 there it was listed parents as a lucas martin and or a gregoria woman. Lucas Martin
1809–
BIRTH MARCH 1809 • San Francisco De Asis , Jocotepec, Jalisco,Mexico
DEATH UNKNOWN • Mexico also another source of citation was through family search and here is link to it as follows: Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1979 Jocotepec San Francisco de Asís Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1854-1857 regarding one of the children .

Isabel Martin, etc

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I took a look at the indexed/extracted records for Isabel Martin, and her family. With the limited info in this post I was unable to find any information on them.

I then thought of looking at the info in your file to see if info there would lead to them. I started with Cresencio Martinez and Felicitas Coronado. I found some errors and omissions in your data, as well as some inconsistencies.

I was using Ancestry.com (Library edition).

I found six children for Francisco Coronado and Emilia Sanchez. Felicitas Coronado was not born 19 Oct 1896, but instead 18 May 1898, in Villa de Cos, Zacatecas. Her brother Francisco was born 19 Oct 1896, Villa de Cos. The Villa de Cos civil records are indexed at Ancestry.com so these are easy to find.

I could not duplicate your info on Cresencio Martinez's birth. I found a Cresencio Martinez born 19 Apr 1893, in Teoquitlan de Corona, Jalisco, son of Jose Maria Martinez and Maria Valenda (not Veleida). This record is in the volume for 1893, image 66

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hi george thank you so much for responding to me . yes my great grandmother was known to my family as felix as it was a family nickname for her. as for my great grandfather his birthdates etc were gleaned from social security records, ancestry.com my personal families records from lyons, ks genealogical society etc. i had a question about silveria person in a record that was found on ancestry.com i only found name and hasnt found anything more about her since then. however i did notice that many of my families records through family search are very vague. there is mestizo and or india posted in some of them and then it trails off.

Cresencio Martinez

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Stephanie

You're welcome!

Your family info about "Felix" is important, and gives some evidence that the marriage of Cresencio to "Maria Felix Coronado" is probably the right one.

Jose Marie Martinez is a pretty common name, so that by itself is not very helpful. The town in that Cresencio Martinez birth record actually is Teocuitatlan de Corona (by the way, in my earlier post I misspelled the name of the town) and is a long way from Villa de Cos, as well as a significant distance from Guadalajara. To have some certainty that he is the right one we need something in Villa de Cos that ties him to that town. I was only able to find one child of Cresencio in Villa de Cos. I found the 1940 census for Rice County, KS, for the family of Crcencio and Felicitas Martinez - all the children are born in Kansas. The child born in Mexico in 1915 is not there. He may have died early, as child deaths are pretty common, which may explain his absence.

The 1914 marriage record for Cresencio and Maria

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Jose Maria Martinez's ancestors

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Dear George and Stephanie,

Jose Simon Martinez and Maria Rosalia Delgadillo are the parents of Rafael Martinez

Victor Velos and Maria Guadalupe Cordero are the parents of Maria Antonia Velos

Rafael Martinez Delgadillo (b.1801) married 10/Jan/1821) Maria Antonia Velos (b1804) are the parents of Memerto Martinez Velos

Memerto Martinez Velos was married to Maria Viviana Cervantes Rodriguez on 10/Aug/1845 in Señor San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico

Memerto Martinez and Maria Viviana Cervantes are the parents of Serapio Martinez Cervantes who is baptized 10/Sep/1846 in Señor San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico

Serapio Martinez and Pia Gallegos are the parents of Jose Maria Martinez who is married to Silveria Aguiñaga

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Jose Domingo Cervantes and Maria Nieves Terrones are the parents of Monico Cervantes Terrones.(b.1801)

Jose Urbano Rodriguez and Maria Dionica Gertrudis Lira are the parents of Juana (Ana) Maria Rodriguez Lira

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yes all children of crescencio martinez who were my great grandparents were born in kansas. one of them was my grandpa john coronado martinez. however i do believe the 2 oldest children by names of antonio and or juaquina were born in mexico. antonio the boy you were referring too unfortunately was kidnapped in lyons , kansas while playing in yard. the boy was never found however family of mine says he was taken to mexico . i can contact lyons ks genealogical society to see if death certificate is available on crescencio far as i know he said he was from guadalara jalisco mexico from newspaper clipping of obituary etc.. they died 4 yrs before i was even born. as for lucas martin and or isabel martin or martinez was married to a sebastian veleida or velenda . she was born roughly about 1825 from mexico . on page 6 of record: jalisco, Mexico, Civil Registration Deaths, 1856-1987 i found through ancestry.com lists a child by name of Maria Francisca Veleida. parents of isabel was a lucas

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Isabel Martin

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I don't understand where Isabel Martin fits in the family tree.

Isabel Martin

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it turns out the person she was looking for(isabel martin) isn't related to her at all

edit:R.A.Ricci-rosalia rodriguez may have went by the last name delgado/delgadillo as well
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JS3X-XSQ
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2Z2-MYP
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCZK-WB8

Isabel Martin

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Dear Katherine,

You are right about it being Delgadillo and not Rodriguez. I looked at the notes I made and the surname is Delgadillo. I went back and edited the tree and replaced Rodriguez with Delgadillo.

Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

re: isabel martin

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after reading some of the records that were found i think i will agrees with you george and or katherine on this so i will have to tear down a part of the tree and re-enter information and or attaches informations to it . this is fantastic loves this group thank you everyone .

re:isabel martin studies

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crescencio birth record copy i have states mother was a martina veleida or valenda and or a jose maria martinez however on the marriage record copy that i had read and or saved says silveria woman was there so maybe that was a 2nd marriage for his father perhaps back then.

Research Digest, Vol 125, Issue 9

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To me it looks like the word is "herrero," which means he was a blacksmith by occupation.

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Research Digest, Vol 125, Issue 9

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The second word is "indígeno," meaning he is indigenous (Indian).

Stella Cardoza

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Looks like herrero indigena... Indigenous blacksmith???

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R.A. Ricci,

I was trying to contact you, but I do not think the e-mail link at Nuestros Ranchos is working. What is the best e-mail address that I can reach you at to talk about genealogy?

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R.A. Ricci,

Oh wow! I also just sent you a message from the site profile contact page a few day ago. (I guess it also didn't go through.) It had to with the Velasquez line that you are a part of and you have written 2 different snippets in a couple of different forum posts a few years back.

Although I'm just getting around to asking about the family, I found out a few months ago that I am a descendant of Blas Velasquez and Micaela Mendoza through their son Joseph. Joseph moved and married in Ocotlan, Jal. in 1727 and a lot of his descendants seem to have stayed in that region for many generations. I was stuck on one generation under Joseph with his daughter Josepha Velsaquez, my 7x greatgrandmother, for a few years. I finally came across the really faded Marriage Informational for her in a disorganized collection of other Marriage Informational jumping back and forth between 1755-1757 in La Barca. (Marriage records for La Barca during the 1730s-1770s didn't give the couple's parents

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Blas Velasquez

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Dear Paul,

Blas Velasquez Hernandez (1662) is the son of Francisco Velasquez (b1623) and Catalina Hernandez (b1629).

Catalina Hernandez is the natural daughter of Domingo Hernandez Gamino (b1595, d. 13/Oct1687)

Domingo Hernandez Gamino is the son of Juan Hernandez Gamino ( b. Abt 1570 m. Bet 1590&1594, d. Bet 3/Apr/1633. & 13/Jun/1633

Domingo was born in Villa de Guadalupe, Trujillo, Caceres, Extremadura, España.

Juan was born in Caceres, Extremadura, España

I don't have Micaela Becerra Mendozas parents, only suspicions.

I descend from Blas and Micaelas son Felipe

Good luck in your research,
Rick A. Ricci

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R.A. Ricci

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I also sent Rick a message via NR. Did you receive it?

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Dear David and Alex,

I guess it isn't working since I have not received any responses. I have found a lot more information on the Covarrubias ancestry and I was hoping to turn it into a chart and discuss this information before presenting it. Try sending your contact info again. I think one of you already has my email.

When is the next genealogy meeting in Southern or Northern California? Maybe I can present it then.

Looking forward to sharing,
Rick A. Ricci

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Juana Manuela Lozano

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm looking to see if anyone in the forum has information on Juana Manuela
Lozano that was married to Bartholome Martel.

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Juana Manuela Lozano

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Hi Danny,

Juana Manuela Lozano de Gardea was born in 1703 and baptized 13 June 1703 in Aguascalientes. Her padrinos were Onofre Rodriguez de Loaiza and Phelipa Ruiz de Esparza. Her parents were Eugenio Lozano and Maria Duran.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XX6R-X8

After she was widowed from Bartolome Joseph Martel, she remarried Pablo de Aranda, when she was 61 years old.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6GKZ-NY

Eugenio Lozano was the son of Joseph Lozano and Petrona Gonzalez de Gardea. Joseph Lozano was the natural born son of Cristobal Lozano, the son of Cristobal Lozano Martinez and Maria de Islas.

Maria Duran was the daughter of Andres Duran and Juana de la Ascencion Vasquez de Sandoval. Andres Duran was the son of Juan Ximon Duran and Regina de Aguayo. Juana de la Ascencion Vasquez de Sandoval was the daughter of Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortes.

Chris

Juana Manuela Lozano

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This is great. Thank you Chris. I didn't think anyone knew. I'll add them to the Wikitree in the next couple days.

Danny C. Alonso

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Could some one who has Ancestry.com please try and help on a death record for Faustino Alva. Ancestry.com shows a Faustino Alva death record in 1903,in Guanajuato.

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Faustino Alva

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Faustina Alva, age 2, son of Jose Dolores Alva, death recorded Sep. 25, 1903, Apaseo el Alto, GTO. His mother's name is not provided.

The citation is Apaseo el Alto, GTO, civil death records, 1901-08 (FHL film 775850), image 222. Record #128.

If you go to Family Search you should be able to download the image. The image number should be the same, but depending on how the images are posted at Family Search the image could be a little before or after this image number ... just look for the date.

George

Faustino Alva

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Thanks to all of your responses. Will follow thru on your suggestions. Saludos.Raul Luna

Guanajuato,Gto

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Hi Raul,

Is it the one for Sep 25, 1903? That record is for a 2 year old.

Paige

Guanajuato

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Raul

Many public libraries, as well as all the LDS family history centers, have access to the institutional version of Ancestry.com. You can use these to get the info you need - both of these sites will allow you to down the images of the records you find.

I am planning to go to the library tomorrow, and will look for you.

George Fulton

Juchipila Reynoso branch linked back to Diego Reynoso Padilla-Davila & Margarita Renteria

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-30549-5550-80?cc=1937239
Registros matrimoniales diocesanos 1813 Caja 163 > image 1087 of 1680
7 September 1813.

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Hello, my name is Vanessa and I just joined nuestros ranchos. My maternal side is from Jalisco.

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Welcome, Vanessa!

I don't know how much you know about how to use familysearch, but it is a fantastic resource.

Doing a quick search of it with the info you gave us, I believe I found your grandfather in the 1930 US Federal Census.

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenn…~

That image gives us your grandfather, great-grandfather and great-grandmother's ages. It is important to always use real documents and to write down when and where you got your information. We call it "documenting your sources." Otherwise nothing is certain. Starting with an approximate year they were each born should allow you to search the images of familysearch for their baptisms or civil registration.

Below is the link to the image-by-image register of the baptisms in Degollado in the time

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Yes, thank you. I appreciate your help. However, I should have been a little more clearer. I wasn't looking for those individuals specifically, just wished to learn more about my family in general as the line goes higher. Familysearch is my best friend. :) As for my grandfather's Salcedo line, I have tracked up to my sixth great-grandfather whose name was Joaquin Salcedo who was born abt 1751 near Atotonilco El Alto. Approximately in Atotonilco El Alto he married Maria Segunda Barajas who was born in Jun 1751 in Atotonilco El Alto. Her parents were Agustin Barajas and Petrona De La Cruz. Her baptism record has her listed as a 'coyote'. They (Joaquin and Maria Segunda) had six children that I am aware of. That's as far as I am able to go with that line. As for my maternal line, I have the names of all 62 of my 5th great-grandparents. However, I have no stories or know much about them.

I should have worded my intro a little better but I really do appreciate the help. Is there anywhere

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Hi Vanessa,

Welcome to the group.

Chris

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Welcome to the Group Nesska. Im not familiar with your people but i'll see if I can find something about them

Danny C. Alonso

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I have been trying to figure out who the parents of Petronila de Retamosa Macias Valades Gonzalez de Gardea are and still have no real clue.

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Trying to find the parents of

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What is the baptism date for Petronila’s grandson Joseph who she was also a madrina for?

Petronila Gonzalez de Gardea

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Hi David,

I apologize I didn't see your question until today while I was looking for other information. Here is Joseph's baptism that Petronila was madrina for. It's the first one on the right:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-64V7-Q3T

Chris

PEtrona Gonsales de Gardia

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Chris,

I cant read this record. who does it say are the parents.

Danny C. Alonso

Petrona González de Gardea

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Hi Danny,

The parents of Joseph are Sebastián de Ulloa and Juana González de Gardea, listed here as Juana González Lozano. The godparents were Onofre Lozano and Petrona González de Gardea.

Chris

The Household of Hernando Martel and our Petronila

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I think that our Petronila likely comes from the household of Hernando Martel and Beatriz Macias Valades Retamosa Villegas. The origin of the padrinos and testigos of her children, Petronila’s peculiar use of surnames, and the intermarriage of some of her children all seem hover around this couple.

Identifying Padrinos and Testigos:

I believe I have all of the Gonzalez and Macias Padrinos and Testigos of our Petronila’s children identified accept for Joseph Macias Valadez.

I think that Beatriz Gonzalez (padrina to Juan Lozano) and Phelipe Gonzalez (testigo to Juan Antonio Lozano) are siblings. Only I think they are both the children of Juan Gonzalez and Francisca del Castillo, not Luis Gonzalez and Catalina de Quiroga, but they are still both grandchildren of Luis Gonzalez and Beatriz Gallegos.

I think Miguel Martel (testigo of Manuel Lozano) is the same as stated earlier by Chris.

I think that Pedro Macias Valadez (testigo to Eugenio Lozano and Juana Lozano) is the same Pedro

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Joseph Lozano de Gardea

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I think some people used their step-parents name. My ancestor Bartolome Josephe Martel who is married to Juana Manuela Lozano de Gardea is the grandson of the Miguel Martel you mentioned as Testigo to Manuel Lozano. Bartolome Josephe Martel's parents are Catalina Anguino y velasco and Miguel Martel but Catalina Anguino y Velasco was also married to Nicolas Ponce and Bartolome Josephe Martel was also known as Bartholome Josephe Ponce and my ancestors all took the Ponce last name from his step-father and not Martel

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Danny,

I am not aware of any of my ancestors using a step-parent's name. I suppose it's possible, but, I haven't seen it. But, I don't think Bartolome Joseph Ponce used his step-father's name. First, Doña Catalina Velasco de Anguiano was widowed from Nicolas Ponce, when she married Miguel Martel. So, Bartolome Joseph Ponce wouldn't have been alive when Nicolas Ponce was alive, so, it doesn't seem like it would make sense that he would use an apellido of someone he not only never knew, but also wasn't his father. I believe Doña Catalina Velasco de Anguiano was also Doña Catalina Ponce and Bartolome Joseph Ponce was actually using his mother's apellido. Here on the baptism of a daughter of hers and Miguel Martel, she is listed as Doña Catalina Ponce:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-64V7-WL4

Chris

Joseph Lozano de Gardea

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Chris,

How do you know for sure that Catalina Ponce and Catalina Velasco de Anguino are the same person. couldn't there be more than one person named Migel Martel. also do you think then that joseph lozano de gardea is not using his step mother's name?

Danny C. Alonso

Joseph Lozano de Gardea

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Hi Danny,

Maria Efigenia Martel, the daughter that Miguel Martel and Catalina Ponce were baptizing in 1699 is the same daughter that's listed on her defuncion as the daughter of Miguel Martel and Catalina de Anguiano here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XK5W-VH3

Regarding, Joseph Lozano de Gardea, no, I personally do not believe he would use Gardea if he was not in someway related to that family.

Chris

Joseph Lozano de Gardea

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Thank you Chris. this is very interesting. i wonder if or maybe how she's related to Nicolas Ponce.

Danny C. Alonso

Petronila de Retamosa

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Hi David,

I think you're on the right track with some of these testigos. Many are interrelated. Beatriz González, madrina to Juan Lozano, I believe is the daughter of Luis González and Catalina de Quiroga and the granddaughter of Luis González and Beatriz Gallegos, that would also explain the Martel connection as Beatriz Gallegos is a probable daughter of Captain Hernando Martel, founder of Santa Maria de los Lagos.

Felipe González, testigo to Juan Antonio Lozano, is the brother to the above Beatriz González, and also grandson of the same Luis González and Beatriz Gallegos.

Miguel Martel, testigo to Manuel Lozano's marriage is the brother to the above named Francisco Martel. He's the son of Hernando Martel and Beatriz de Retamosa, aka Beatriz Macías Valadez, aka Beatriz de Villegas. He's also grandson of the same Luis González and Beatriz Gallegos.

Chris

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Hi Chris,

If Petronila was a descendant of Hernando Martel and Beatríz Macías Valadéz that would explain the Retamosa, but that doesn't explain the González de Gardea.

Paige

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Does anyone know if Petronila de Retamosa was madrina or witness at any events

Paige

Petronila de Retamosa

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Hi Paige,

I agree. Plus, I think the Gardea part of the name was the most important to them, since that's what they chose to pass on. Not once among their descendants have I seen Macías or Retamosa, but, numerous descendants used some variation of González de Gardea, Lozano de Gardea, etc.

I can't recall more than once that I've seen Petronila de Retamosa as madrina. I do know she was madrina to her grandson Joseph, along with Onofre Lozano, the son of Cristobal Lozano and Mariana González de Gardea, and, half brother to her husband. But, that's about the only time I know of where she was madrina.

Chris

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I do not know if this Isabel Mendoza that we have been looking for all these years but she does have many, if not all, of the puzzle pieces that we have been using as clues.

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Two Isabel Mendozas, only one a nun.

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After discovering that I had found an "Isabel Mendoza" in the right time frame and matching many of the clues that genealogists have had in their search for the spouse of Toribio Hernandez, I searched through my decades of research for answers as to why I had not found her before, and for additional clues that I have to confirm or disprove that she is the actual Isabel Mendoza that I have been looking for.

I stated that the prime reason for not finding her previously was that she was said to be related to the Viceroy and that we genealogists had assumed that she was related to the first Viceroy because he was surnamed Mendoza instead of looking at her possible relationship to the second Viceroy. After looking at my research notes for many decades of research I find that I had looked at the possibility of our "Isabel Mendoza" being related to the second Viceroy instead of the first. The previous research into the second viceroys family member named Isabel had come up with the

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The name Isabel

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Toribio Hernandez Arellano and Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza had two daughters named Isabel. I found this unusual. But in real life I have also encountered families with two siblings with the same name. I have also found it in a few other cases in my ancestral tree but they either had same first name and different middle name or different first names and same middle names. But the case of Toribio and Isabel's daughter s the two of them used different surnames I never understood why anyone would name two of their children with the same name. Until now that is.

For Toribio Hernandez Arrellano the name Isabel was very important as his father passed away when he was young and he was raised by a single mom. Naming a daughter after her would have been very important to him.

For Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, the half sister if the Viceroy, the name Isabel had maybe even more significance. Isabel is the Spanish equivalent of Elizabeth. Edward III and Elizabeth of Suffolk named their

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Isabel Mendoza is a second cousin to Mariana Mendoza

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Isabel Mendoza is a second cousin to Mariana Mendoza who is the mother-in-law of Balthazar Temino de Banuelos. Mariana Mendoza's father, Luis Marin is closer in age to Isabel's half brother the Viceroy. Luis Marin is identified as a close friend of her half brother, the Viceroy. Luis Marin is said to be a musician and the life of the party.

34. Isabel de Zuniga y Avellaneda
+ Pedro Gonzalez de Mendoza, I count of Monteagude

35. Maria Hurtado de Mendoza,
+ Antonio Sarmiento, Alcalde mayor de Burgos

36. Maria Manuela Sarmiento
+ Antonio Velasco Manrique, Sr. De Salinas del Rio Pisuerga

37. Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza (Velasco)
+ ? Toribio Hernandez de Arellano (de Santillana)

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34. Isabel de Zuniga y Avellaneda
+ Pedro Gonzalez de Mendoza, I count of Monteagude

35. Juan Hurtado de Mendoza, 5th Sr. De Moron
+ Luisa Velasquez de Cuellar y Velasco

36. Maria

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Related to the Viceroy

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If this Isabel Mendoza is the Isabel Mendoza married to Toribio Hernandez Arellano, we can look to a mistake made by myself and many other genealogists for not finding her sooner. When we read that she was related the the Viceroy we assumed that it was the first Viceroy Mendoza instead of the second Viceroy Velasco. Though she is related to the first Viceroy, it is not a close relationship like the second Viceroy.

I shouldn't be speaking for other genealogists, but I was guilty of looking only at the first Viceroy's closest relatives for a relationship to an Isabel Mendoza.

Martin Casillas was also said to be related to the Viceroy. I have only looked at the first Viceroy for clues to his ancestry, It's time to look at the second Viceroys family for clues to Martin Casillas "el Alarife"'s ancestry. Anyone looking for Martin Casillas connection should remember that the name of Martin Casillas's father is Pedro Casillas.

CERVANTES NEGRETE brothers (Bartolome, Lazaro, Manuel, Bacilio and Ignacio)

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Somos Primos, in its Agust 2005 issue published the following contribution sent by Ophelia Marquez. It includes several significant facts about this family:

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Nicolas Robledo

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On the right side, the first record is the record of Nicolas Robledo

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGG9-KDD

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I see Andrea de Rutiaga. Look at the "R" on "Ramirez," just a couple of lines up. It's identical.

That's the surname of an early SLP family.

Manny Diez Hermosillo

Nicolas Robledo Rutiaga

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Thanks Manny I did see the R the same as the surname but it still didn't make sense to me. I don't recall having seen Rutiaga before. I was able to add the correct surname and change the Aviles to Robledo and bonanza, I found 11 children.

It seems part of my paternal side is from Villa de Reyes (although, some were from Bledos that at one point was the jurisdiction of Zacatecas. Anyone know if this is short for RoBLEDO). The issue is there are many branches of Robledo so I am mapping out all the different families in search of Juan de Dios Robledo Gutierrez. And the other family I am searching is Mateo Perez and Cipriana Guanajuato. The issue with this family is that there surnames were switched on many many records so I don't know which name really belongs to which though we all thought and have used Perez. I have found a family of Guanajuato fitting the timeline of 1831, only problem, there are a set of twins named mateo and another in 1839 named mateo! Sounds crazy, but I have a

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the sentence with...is that there surnames.. should read ...is that their surnames.

Bledos

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Hi Simona,

Bledos was a hacienda in the jurisdiction of San Luis Potosi. "Rutiaga" likely originates with Francisco Rutiaga, an early resident of SLP. He was from Brussels, Belgium, so it's not a castillian nor basque surname.

Manny Diez Hermosillo

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hi my name is stephanie martinez and i have been doing some research regarding my great grandparents sides of the families. my great grandmother was felisitas coronoado who was from a rancho in villa de cos, mexico and was married in that area also to a man by the name of crescencio martinez and was buried in lyons, kansas. my surnames currently researching are coronado, martinez jaramillo, sanchez and many more . i hopes to hear from someone in here and thanks for having me. this is the file folder regarding my family members if anyone would like to view it and thank you .. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/stephmartinez316

Genoveva Arroyo from Fresnillo, Zacatecas and Ricardo Francisco

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I am looking for this ancestor who married Ricardo Francisco (b 1826abt) Villegas and had my gggrandfather Rutillo VIllegas b 2 Aug 1879. I show that Ricardo was from Penjamo, Guanajuato, mex. Thanks for any help

ancestry page for this family http://person.ancestry.com/tree/5338733/person/6273132132/facts

Genoveva Arroyo from Fresnillo, Zacatecas and Ricardo Francisco

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you might have to go through the marriages in Penjamo about the time you think they were married and just go page by page. None of the baptisms that are indexed for their children list the grandparents.

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Hello to all!
My name is Carolyn Gomez Duran. I live in Colorado. I am researching family in Fresnillo and Pinos, Zacatecas.

I am stuck on Roman Esparza C. 1830 in Fresnillo, married to Rosalia Gaitan born Sep. 9, 1835 in Pinos, Zac.
I can’t find records for Esparza. I have followed the Gaitan line to a Miguel Gaitan abt. 1706 in Pinos and Antonia Arias Bedolla.

I would also appreciate help with Tomas Moreno 1837 and Maria Agustina Torres Arroyo in Fresnillo.
Tomas’ parents are Felix Moreno and Candida Gomez.
Maria Agustina’s parents are Antonio Arroyo and Maria Torres.

I am also researching Garza, Navarro, Palacios, Sosa, Delgado, Castaneda, Jimenez, Munos, Sanchez to name a few of my ancestors!!

Any help or direction anyone can give would be appreciated.

Thank you!
Carolyn

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