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That specific page says that in 21/04/1620 Maria Magdalena is reporting a criminal case against Phelipe Mexia son of Ynes de Monrroy, reason because Maria's daughter Maria (same name) was pregnant by Phelipe, a friend of her "a mestiço" called Johan Albares told Phelipe to marry the girl. In retaliation Phelipe went to Maria's house and beat the mother that was saved by people holding him back.

It looks as if she want Phelipe to be incarcerated plus to marry her daughter though.

The following document seems to be similar but definitely not related. They look like just part of a complete "dipensa".

Katy this are amazing but I can't read a single thing! I did see there is a record from Jerez so tried but it's beyond my reading skills. This was the first box starting at A-L
Linda

is he related to bartolome lopez de luna of tlaltenango

I just can say how surprising Was for me when I met people From Guatemala, they dont lime mexicans at all and they say mexicans had stolen a part of their territory...

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Thank you Emilie and Mr. Hernandez. That map is so cool. Only since being a
part of the Nuestros Ranchos Forum did I know that Mexico once owned so
much of America. We were once supposed to talk about The Alamo in our
textbook but the teacher skipped it to talk more about the civil war.

Danny C. Alonso

Thank you Alicia, I don't know if theres a genealogical society in my town
but maybe. I live in Dublin.

Danny C. Alonso

Thank You Mr. Hernandez and Alicia and Christopher for your advice and for
the books to check out. I will go to the library and start looking for all
of them. I already learned more since joining the Nuestros Ranchos Forum
than I have in high school.

Danny C. Alonso

Hi Danny,

As a recent High School graduate I can attest that there are many teachers that need to be educated about our culture and history. I took every opportunity to do that while in school, especially as a junior and senior. I know it may be difficult and uncomfortable, but, if you hear something about our history that you know to be incorrect, you should definitely take the time to educate the teachers. Whether, that means bringing in one of the recommended books or printing out an article about our history from SomosPrimos, or just sending the teacher a link that will better educate them. It's especially sad when the teacher ignoring our history or teaching something false about our people, happens to have ancestors from Mexico. I once brought in a stack of articles to educate one such teacher. But, it turned out, she was actually very receptive and used many of those articles in a class discussion the following day. And, remember, every time you learn something new about our

Hello

I'll look for that book and I'll try to teach them but sometimes it's hard
after the teacher says they don't believe something and the students only
believe the teacher.

Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I'm in high school and I never knew any of this and the teachers don't know
about Mexico at all. The only time Mexico ever was mentioned they told us
that Mexico was just Spanish people and Aztec people. I told my teacher
there was lots of tribes and even Aftrican Americans in Mexico and she said
that was silly, just Spanish People and Aztecs.

Danny C. Alonso

My family discover Florida in 1512. The Zambrano were nobleman and worked
with the Ponce the Leon. Hernando de soto with his army march and kill
cannibal tribes all over florida to the mississippi river. After California
was discovered they build the Spanish road. A road that connects all
spanish colonies from florida to texas to new mexico to California. They
never teach this in HIstory class or culture

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".

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> list ”Galvez” and the “Siege of Pensacola” write your school board!
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Hola primos,

I recently discovered that my copy of "Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales" by José Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez de Frías is missing. It was stolen.

Suffice it to say, I discovered it was stolen along with a priceless binder of my most treasured certificates and pictures I kept in a large bag. I have gone crazy looking for them but they are gone. This was an act of pure evil.

If anybody here in NR has a "nice" copy "Genealogía de Nochistlán", could we make a deal or make a trade for an out-of-print book from my collection? These are some of the out-of-print books I have in my personal library.

1. "Ameca: Protofundación Mexicana" - Jesús Amaya Topete [1951, 1983]
2. "Los Protocolos de Rodrigo Hernández Cordero, 1585-1591: Escribano público de Guadalajara" - Jorge Palomino y Cañedo [1972]
3. "Genealogical Journal", Volume I [1994], SHHAR press
4. "Genealogical Journal", Volume II [1995], SHHAR press

Thanks this is going to help me alot once again thank you

That is neat that your a history teacher in Texas. Do the text books mention the time period of Nuevo Espana (Mexico). A Conde of A Hacienda in Zacatecas, Mexico by the name of "Don Fernando De La Campa y Cos (1676 - 1734) had financed expeditions from Zacatecas to Texas where he had paid 70,000 pesos. His youngest daughter "Juliana De La Campa" was married to Capitan Juan Olivan Rebolledo who was elected Governor of Texas in 1723 by the Real Audencia of Guadalajara.

So much for my theory that Juan Briones Colunga was such a rare name. Now that we have gotten the surname order sorted out... There is a Juan Briones Colunga that was born in Zacatecas in 1870... much more likely to be your great-grandfather than the Juan Colunga Briones I sent you earlier:

JUAN COLUNGA BRIONES
Male
Christening: 02 JAN 1870 San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: CRECENCIO COLUNGA
Mother: SERAPIA BRIONES
Source Information:
Batch No.: C606315 Film 1095675

As far as surnames, it was equally common for children to take their mother's surname as to take their father's prior to the 18th Century. Often, the children would even take a grandparent's surname or a prominent townperson's surname to honor them so they would not share either of their parent's surnames.

As Daniel mentions, the choice was often based on which family was more prominent, sort of how the Kennedy women keep their surname even after they get married. Often

 
I don't know if this is the same family but since Fresnillo is so close to Jerez and this Colunga family is from Guanajuato I thought I'd submit it to you.  My records are posted on Rootsweb.com so you may want to check there for anything that might be of interest to you on the Colunga family in my records.
 
good luck in your search, Linda in Everett Wa.
 

#845 baptism 29 July 1888 in Jerez
 Antonia Colunga born in Jerez 24 July 1888 6pm
parents: Carlos Colunga and Juana Avila
pat grn: Andres and Severiana Lopez
mat grn: Barbaro and Agapita Caldera
pad: Cenovio Gonsales and Francisca Saldivar
source: 0439862 Jerez baptism
 

  MARIA DE LAS NIEVEZ FRANCISCA COLUNGA LOPEZ Pedigree
  Female
  Christening:  06 AUG 1862   Santa Fe, Guanajuato, Guanajuato, Mexico
  Father:  ANDRES COLUNGA  Family
  Mother:  SEVERIANA LOPEZ    
  Source Information:
  Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:  Type:  Printout Call No.:  Type: 
  K608057  1862 - 1864  0668852   Film  NONE   
 

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Cathy:

I believe this is your great-grandfather... the name is so unique, it would be difficult for this to be a coincidence. The estimated birthdates that you have for them appear to be a little too late. It is improbable (but not impossible) that they had a child when the father was 16 and the mother 13... then again the mother was having children until 1926 so she could not have been born before 1880 or so...

JUAN BRIONES COLUNGA
Male
Christening: 20 JUN 1862 Cienega De Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: MANUEL BRIONES Family
Mother: TOMAZA COLUNGA
Source Information:
Batch No.: C607048
Dates: 1853 - 1862
Source Call No.:0640159 Film

This is a possible hit for your great-grandmother though the name is very common and the birthdate appears to be far too early... There are really no CALZADA in Ojuelos, Jalisco.

JOSEFA CALZADA NERI
Female
Christening: 20 MAR 1873 Fresnillo De Gonzalez Echeverria, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:

Welcome to the group Cathy.

Quick question for you. In reference to Juan Briones-Colunga. Is his surname
Briones or Colunga? At first glance I assumed that Briones was his father's
surname and Colunga was his mothers surname, which is pretty standard in
hispanic names. However, your family seems to have carried on with the
Colunga name instead.

-Angelina-

I have been searching through the Sanchez family in Ayutla and Tenamaxtlan as well and had gotten back to the 4th ggrandfather: Pablo Luis Maria who was married to Agustina Macedo Rodriguez, which are familiar names in that area. However, then I found a slew of documents showing that Pablo, who mostly went by Luis or Luis Maria, also used the name Bernal. I have found several children for this couple and some used Bernal and others used Sanchez. Any thoughts?

I've gone through pretty much all of the Tenamaxtlan records and certainly share your frustration. I've found many in Tecolotlan and Ameca. Also Autlan, Ameca, and Moscota. I have a few minor sources that might be helpful; although you probably already have them.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-29506-14076-32?cc=1937239…

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-52836-24?cc=1874591&wc…

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18457-89183-51?cc=1874591&wc…

Dear Sergio et al,

First of all, congratulations Sergio for all the great work you are doing with the series of books on your family, Jalostotitlán, and Los Altos. I enjoy them and find them very illuminating. ¡Felicidades y gracias!

Thanks to your publication of the Padrones de Jalostotitlán (1649 & 1650) you inadvertently led to the answer to your two primary questions based on your doubting of a quote by Mariano González Leal. Don Mariano was in error...he got his facts wrong in that prologue and correct in Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia. He must have been writing the prologue off the top of his head and dropped the ball.

Your first question was if someone had verified that Francisco Gutiérrez-Rubio “El Mozo” actually married Francisca Hurtado de Mendoza? And second question…If Francisco Gutiérrez-Rubio “El Mozo” actually married Leonor de Hermosillo, then who did Capitan Miguel Gutiérrez-Rubio marry?

Amongst modern Alteño genealogists, I believe Jaime Holcombe

HOLA SERGIO.
 
 CREO QUE ESTAS CONFUNDIDO EL FRANCISCO QUE TU HABLAS ES HIJO DE EL CAPITAN MIGUEL GUTIERRES HERMANO DE EL CAPITAN FRANCISCO GUTIERREZ EL MOZO.
 
POR LO TANTO ES NIETO DE FRANCISCO GUTIERRES EL VIEJO Y ANA GONZALEZ FLORIDA.
 
SON TRES FRANCISCOS:
 
FRANCISCO EL VIEJO SU HIJO FRANCISCO EL CAPITAN (HERMANO DE MIGUEL) CASADO CON FRANCISCA HURTADO DE MENDOZAY FRANCISCO GUTIERREZ CASADO CON JUANA LOMELI.(HIJO DE EL CAPITAN MIGUEL GUTIERREZ Y LEONOR DE HERMOSILLO).
 
LUIS MIGUEL GONZALEZ JIMENEZ

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you are far away from the defunciones part of this document, the right link 1730 begin here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15529-36451-40?cc=1804458&wc… but is imposible to read it, sorry

Post the link to the actual record, I may be able to help you. The pictures are too small for me.