TEST SITE - DO NOT USE - Development only

They change a couple of days the way of accessing the link for the catholic church records and other collections, they are "hidden" just above the big blue search button: it says "view all 6 collections". I think they are doing that with the collections that are "completed" (whatever that means) and also is not possible any more to attach directly the images to the family tree (although this one happened a while ago)

RJ Quiralta

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.or…
api/sord/collection/1804458/waypoints

-----Original Message-----
From: General [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf
Of Raquel Ruiz
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 19:08
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need Help Accessing Zacatecas Church Records on
familysearch

I am having difficulty accessing Zacatecas Church records on familysearch.
I haven't tried to do so in a long time, and lost my bookmarks when I got a
new computer. I can find Jalisco without a problem, but only see a Civil
Records for Zacatecas. What am I missing?

Thanks for the assistance!

-Raquel Ruiz

Hello Armando,
I'm my brother's administrator for the FTDNA testing.  Recently, I've noticed under haplogroup info a doubling in the 
number of test taken shown.   What's that about?  Were they taken, but just not listed before?
Thanks,  Alice

From: Armando
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 10:51 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Advances in R1b DNA

Over the past few years with 1000 Genomes, citizen scientists, and Geno 2.0
testing new discoveries have been made with Y-DNA especially with  R-M269.

It turns out that a majority of people from Mexico and Spain that are
R-M269 are positive for an SNP marker called P312 and a majority of them
are positive for DF27 and markers below that SNP. Being terminal DF27 is
very rare and most are also positive for a marker below that. A minority of
Mexican and Spanish R-M269 are positive for U106.

You can see the P312 and the DF27 trees in the following links -

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-P312

There is a users guide/manual for Family Tree at http://broadcast.lds.org/elearning/fhd/community/en/familysearch/family… (October 2013).

Starting at page 72 there are details on how to restore a deleted individual, and from page 73 information on seeing what changes have been made and how to undo them.

If someone sees something questionable in a record, rather than just changing the data, they could start a "discussion" in the system, and if that person is being watched, an e-mail notification will be sent.

If a change is just made, the submitter of the information can also be contacted if they have a valid e-mail address in the system.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I started using it since their beta launch about two years ago I think, I also decide to stop and now I am painfully copying most of the information on my own database, is not just that tree merges can heavily damage the relationships but the fact they decide not to implement a "export" feature after all is quite disappointing. The "one tree" is a nice Idea but also a really complicated one and I think the stuff they have available to program their site are not sufficient, (in numbers), they are actually trying to "bite more than they can actually chew" For the last 10 months I've seen that most of the complains are based on this very same issues and they make very clear that their goal is different from fixing it which is what most users are expecting, sad to say, but I don't think the FamilyTree idea is going far.

Who knows may be in the future with new or better management they can actually bring a good database site, right now the integration with the digital records is

Arturo Cuellar from the group works for Family Search maybe you can voice
your frustration to him.
On Sep 22, 2014 2:04 PM, "Alice Blake" wrote:

>
>
> --- On Mon, 9/22/14, Alice Blake wrote:
>
> > From: Alice Blake
> > Subject: Re: Printing Entries
> > To: "alice wissing"
> > Date: Monday, September 22, 2014, 1:56 PM
> > Hi Alice,
> > Add to my dissatisfaction the elimination of
> > the info that was found on the print-out of the selected
> > entry.
> > Examine older print-outs and find
> > complete references to state, city, parish, contents w/
> > dates, even image number on it.
> > Of course I
> > keep my genealogy info on my computer and memory sticks, but
> > I make copies for members of my family that
> > chose not to own a computer or others that are
> > only mildly interested in our genealogy. You know they
> > really
> > appreciate having the info, but would
> > never do the work themselves. When nicely bound, they make
> > great gifts.
> > Well, thanks for allowing me

Erika--

I'll try to answer what I can.

1. The abbreviation is defa, which is short for difunta, which means she is deceased. The scribes will also note when the person still lives.

2. You're correct as to the bride's mother's name. I don't think Florencia is a last name, but I believe she is someone with no last name. The bride's last name is Santana (also noted on the side of the record, along with her father's name). Right after the bride's name in the record (Maria Estefana Santana) is the word coiota, which is one of the racial designations used in colonial Mexican times. Since that suggests an indigenous ancestry, it would make sense that last names may be missing (since many indios really didn't use last names at this time).

3. I can't really help you with this, since my area of familiarity is elsewhere, but I will refer you to the Diccionario Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos by Antonio García Cubas. He lists a solid collection of place names

well why is this child refered to as clovis? and when i put that dna kit number in the one to many, the generation parts shown didn't make sense since this dna is supposedly over 10,000 years old

One of my female ancestors was described as a "hija de padres no conocidos" in her marriage record (partida matrimonial), but in her marriage information (información matrimonial) she was described as a "hija natural (según dicen) de..."; both daughter and mother bore the same surname. I do believe that some children of "padres no conocidos" were, in fact, natural children who deliberately concealed the identities of their parents.

V.Q.C.

i don't really know. i wonder if in some case of hijo(o/a) adoptiv(o/a) the child didn't know who their actual parents were(i think that's the case for some who are labeled as padres no conocido also, but padres no conocidos can also refer to 'natural' children.)

also last names weren't always passed down in a consistant manner. for example, on person on my tree didn't get either parent's last name, and instead got his last name derived from the place he grew up at.

Based on what I've seen on numerous records I can assume that adoption wasn't based on any set of rules per say,(although they exist) and thus the situations behind each case would vary. Closer relatives would be more likely to take kids as their own, now taking a kid didn't mean they were always considered adopted, I think the adoption was "official" when there was some inheritance at stake, but definitely not a rule either.

Taking on a specific surname is not uncommon, even by biological sons/daughters specially among big Spanish families we see often kids making their own "set" of last names, now in your ancestor's case it seems like he could be in fact his adoptive mother relative and thus he used her last name but again, this is not a rule and could easily be that he just was too close to her.

Official adoption is usually not seen too often, but once we read many records we can see that there were many families that "house in" relatives at the point they were considered part of

Estimada María,

La gran mayoría de mis investigaciones genealógicas las he realizado en los archivos de la Parroquia de Santa María de Guadalupe, de Arandas, Jalisco. Mi apellido por línea agnática es Hernández, que en tiempos del virreinato era conocido como Hernández Gamiño, y conozco muy bien su genealogía.

No todos los que utilizan el apellido Hernández hoy en día son Hernández Gamiño. Pero todos los que sí son Hernández Gamiño y que hoy habitan en, o provinieron de, Arandas somos descendientes de Domingo Hernández Gamiño, el primero en usar este apellido.

Domingo Hernández Gamiño fue hijo de Juan Hernández del Escríbano (alias Juan Fernández y originario de la Villa de Guadalupe, Extremadura) y nació hacia 1595, en Trujillo, provincia de Extremadura, España, y falleció en León el 13 de octubre de 1687. Celebró nupcias hacia 1620 con Juana Gómez de Espejo, nacida ella hacia 1601 y fallecida en León, el 16 de junio de 1653, originaria de Celaya, e hija de Miguel Domínguez de

Es muy probable basado en mis busquedas que HErnandez es HErnandez Gamino, y Leon
es la familia Cos y Leon. Ojala esto ayuda en algo.

Daniel Méndez Camino

I have found that after you enlarge an area of the document that you are
looking at, you can print just that area by using the print function icon
that shows up on the application tool bar. This works for me with
FamilySearch. If I try and print the same area by clicking on Control-P,
the entire page will print, rather than the area I want. Hope this helps.
Bob Lozano

Alice,

You have to save the whole image (meaning both pages of the book in the image) then use the "crop" function on the print function in your computer. It used to be so easy, now it takes more steps.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:19:19 -0700
> From: alicebb@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help Printing
>
> Can someone please help me out? I used to be able to isolate and print specific entries from any page on Familysearch.
> Since the new format, I'm now unable to even print a full page, much less a specific entry. What am I doing wrong? Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much.
> Alice

Rosalva, I can't see the attachment mentioned in the "Books and Articles" section for this book, I wonder if it is just me (my browser), but I can see the description and also other attachments in other titles. Would you be so kind to let me know? Thank you very much for your time.

RJ Quiralta

Jorge Gonzalez if you still have files of this book am interested in reading anything related to nochistalan zac. thanks

Rosalva. en mi investigacion del apellido Araiza me detuve en 1784 abt. por no poder encntrar el nexo de Martin De Araiza padre de mi Chonzo Jose Valentin de Araiza quien fue su hijo natural con Catarian Piña...Aunque este apellido es muy comun en el bajio ya tengo tatnos nombres que puedo determinar varias lineas, peor en el caso de Jose Valentin de Araiza estoy atorado. Aparecen personas con el paellido Araiza en ese libro de Nochistan de Zacatecas?...Se agradecerá cualqueir dato de preferencai de los años 1700's hast amediados de el siglo 19.

Si llegas a publicar el indice, seria fabulos poder verlo

Thank You Rosalva,

If you come across any mention of the European origins of the Duran and Aguayo Familes that settled in Nochistlan in early 1600's that would be great.

I am specifically interested in Juan Simon Duran born around 1604 and his wife Regina de Aguayo born around 1607. All their children were born in Nochistlan in the early 1600's.

I alson noticed you have Duran in your user name, I wonder if we are related.

Thank You
Ruben Rojas Delgado

Hi there Rosalva, thanks for offering this opportunity, that is a book I always wanted to see but have no copies close to where I live. I wonder if there is and index within the book that can tell us the contents (then I would either keep pursuing it or just leave it along) I'm mostly interested in the "Rodriguez de Santa Ana" "Lozano" and "Quirarte (Quiralta or Quiralte)", I am pretty sure the Lozanos are going to be there but I don't know about the other two surnames. Thanks for any info you may find, and enjoy it for us :D

RJ Quiralta

Hi Rosalva,

If you find any mention of the Ariza y Medina family that would be awesome!

With the help of others here on Nuestros Ranchos we have traced the origin of the family to early 1600s Zacatecas with the patriarchs being Fernando de Araiza and María de Guzmán, parents of Juan de Araiza y Medina I, whose will we found in Aguascalientes.

Sergio Salés

You are better off downloading the image and then using image software to crop and print what you need; you should also be able to optimize the image (adjust brightness and contrast, for example). The downloaded image will have greater resolution.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I guess you're saying it isn't possible to do it directly from the familysearch document page you happen to be on. They've changed the format several times
and I guess that feature was lost.
Thank you for the clarification.
Alice
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On Sun, 9/21/14, Gary & Sarah wrote:

Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Printout (Alice Blake)
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Date: Sunday, September 21, 2014, 5:50 PM

Typical programs on computers like
"Snipit", "Printscreen", etc. should be able to capture
pieces or all of the information you are seeing on the
screen.
Gary Miller

Sent from the Millers

> On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:23 PM, research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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Are these Windows programs?

Paul J Gomez
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Gary & Sarah wrote:
>
> Typical programs on computers like "Snipit", "Printscreen", etc. should be able to capture pieces or all of the information you are seeing on the screen.
> Gary Miller
>
> Sent from the Millers
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1.- Escoge la seccion o acta a imprimir..usa el zoom a tu gusto
2.- Dale click en la tecla Imp.pant (print screen) (esto copia)por lo regular esta localizada arriba de la tecla backspace.
3.- Abre el programa que uses para edictar imagenes y crea una imagen nueva con alta resolucion por ejemplo photoshop 300 pixeles/inch de resolucion
4.- dale paste o control V... esto pega

5.- Guardalo donde desees......

Thanks Steve for your website. Trying looking up, "Chimalpahin codex"

Here is another interesting website that contains things from the Aztec and Colonial Era:

http://publications.newberry.org/aztecs/section_4_home.html

well it looks like they added more regions. they also split up the baptism indexes in huejucar, and seemed to have more record collections in jesus maria

Pedro Ruiz Esparza y Dolores Medina también tuvieron a María Josefa Esparza
Medina (casada el 20 de abril 1789 en Aguascalientes con Carlos Ortuño
Delgado) y a María Antonia Máxima Esparza Medina casada con Joseph
Guadalupe Pedrosa Vásquez. Por las dispensas citadas después de este
parágrafo se que Pedro Ruiz Esparza es el que fue bautizado como Pedro
Segundo Esparza el 25 de mayo 1738 en Aguascalientes hijo de Antonio Paulin
de Esparza y Macias y de Constansa Pedrosa Acosta casados el 14 de abril
1733 en Aguascalientes 299825
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11756-161305-58?cc=1410092…
No he encontrado mas información de los padres de Antonio Paulin de Esparza.

Antonia Maxima Esparza Medina y Joseph Guadalupe Pedrosa Vásquez recibieron
una dispensa de tercer grado de consanguinidad Tronco Santiago Pedroza cc
Juana Acosta
Dispensa
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-39400-32?cc=1874591&wc…

José Francisco Ortuño Esparza (hijo de

Alfonso Reynoso Rabago

Sergio, ¿me puedes explicar cómo podré tener acceso a los padrones de Jalostotitlán que tu compartes?

Mil gracias y un saludo cordial.

Alfonso Reynoso Rábago

Sergio, is signing up for an Windows Live acct the only way to look at this
info? --Raquel

Thanks for the link. There are some nice photos of Guadalajara from the turn of the century.

Sr. Armando le agradezco mucho sus observaciones y referencias,no he encontrado la forma de responder en forma directa pero le agradezco mucho, su valiosa ayuda. Estoy parada en Ignacio de Esparza no he
encontrado su fe de bautismo y alguien
me informo que este apellido Ruiz de
Esparza proviene de la unión de Petronila de Moctezuma la princesa mexica con Martin de Gabay, tuvieron una hija Ana de
Gabay de Moctezuma y esta se caso con el Lope de Ruiz Esparza pero no encuentro la conexión de sus nietos con Ignacio de Esparza. Ya cheque la dispensa de Antonio Paulin de
esparza y Constanza Pedroza. Alguien además
del Sr, Armado tiene mayor información
Atte Carmen Castaneda

Manuel Dominguez: I would prefer not driving into the west side of LA, traffic is horrible. I live in Orange County and I am interested

I live in Rancho Cucamonga and am interested in a new chapter in Southern California.
Survey was quick and easy.
Thank you Rosalinda & Ericka.

Hello Rose

Based on the book 'Estadística General de la República Mexicana', Cuesta Blanco is a rancho near Dolores Hidalgo. This is a free Google ebook.

http://books.google.com/books?id=tHkzAQAAMAAJ&lpg=PA82&ots=wHLdpGyUK1&d…

Best regards.
Austin Perez