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Sanchez-Castellanos

Katy, excellent work, I did not Know that Nicolas was the owner of the Hacienda Santa Rosa de Viterbo and he was Captain too. This Capellania was for help his grandson. He was studying at the Seminary of Guadalajara and was son of Antonio de Escobedo y Valenzuela and Rosa Maria or Maria Rosa Sanchez-Castellanos Bañuelos owners of the Hacienda of Santa Teresa both in Monte Escobedo.
This Nicolas was the son of Juan Sanchez-Castellanos and Thomasina de Haro y Saucedo, here you can find the sons and daughters of Nicolas, the value of his properties. This was a hit for genealogy.

The title of Captain I understand was for being landlords because his brothers Lorenzo Sanchez-Castellanos and Joseph Sanchez-Castellanos were captains too in Jerez.

Hola Daniel

Yo estoy preguntándome si tu Leonel sera el mismo al que en mis archivos le faltan padres.

Ana Maria Leonel de Cervantes,
Casada el 19 de mayo 1755, Santa Veracruz, Distrito Federal, con Jose Santos Del Valle, con decendencia

María Ignacia Santos Del Valle Cervantes,

Casada el 21 de agosto 1774, Asuncion, Mexico, Distrito Federal, Mexico, con

Manuel José Rincón Gallardo Calderón, 1er Marques de Guadalupe Gallardo , Caballero de Santiago , Vice Conde Casa Gallardo (1810), nacido en 1758, Ciénega de Mata, Ojuelos, Nueva Galicia, Aguas Calientes Mexico, bautizado el 8 de junio 1758, Villa de Santa María de Los Lagos, fallecido en 1804, enterrado (a la edad de 46 años)

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M61903-3 Source Film Number: 35850)

Jose Carlos Guillen Rincon Gallardo

don Daniel:

I think that you may find the information you need in the following article:

don Jose Ignacio Davila Garibi

wrote an extensive expose on Comendador d. Leonel de Cervantes and his descendents published in the Memorias de la Academia Mexicana Genealogia y Heraldica no. 8 1949 pages 37-78

Christopher Barrios de Leon

Hola Daniel, en cuanto a tu ancestro Pedro Antonio Leonel de Cervantes, que dices es hijo de Cristóbal Leonel de Cervantes y Francisca Lomelí, te puedo decir que no he revisado la partida de matrimonio de 1709, pero se que Cristóbal Leonel de Cervantes es hijo de José Leonel de Cervantes y de Isabel Sánchez Carranza según una dispensa de matrimonio que encontré en el libro de Montejano Hilton en la página 396, acta 2047 de José Alberto Lozano y Alejandra María Cervantes. Ella es hija de Cristóbal Leonel de Cervantes y Francisca Lomelí.

En cuanto al matrimonio de Bartolomé Vélez de la Torre y Juana Manuela Plascencia Agúndiz; en el mismo libro de Montejano Hilton en la página 133 se encuentra la siguiente dispensa:

Cuquío, Jal. Diciembre 25 de 1716. Exp. 9.- Dispensa de cuarto grado de consanguinidad.- Bartolomé Vélez, español de 21 años de edad, originario y vecino de esta jurisdicción de San Felipe de Cuquío en la Hacienda de San Antonio de Tateposco, hijo legítimo de Juan Vélez

Hello,
Someone posted a comment of wanting Cervantes' for their tree. I have a few in my lineage. Look up Sandoval Family in Ancestry.com and use their search to find in my tree. If you rather I give you a list of them, contact me at ShivisM@msn.com

Shivis

It reads to me like this:

...a Simon Montaño Espl. y a Maria Nicolasa asimismo Espa. De esta feliga. Entrambos, el dho. en el Boei y la otra en el Siego. haviendo predido sus declarasiones informaon. de libertad i solteria y las demas diligs. Por Dios dispuestas de que no resulto ympedimento ning. canonico. Fueron testigs. Juo. de Dios de Baldibia y Diego de Castañeda vezos. de esta feliga. y otras pers. Padrs. Joseph Migl. Cortes y Josepha Cortes su hermana...

There is no mention of the Parents, they seems to be local but their information for the marriages was taken on this places which I am not sure if I am reading them right "Boei" and "Siego" may be you are more familiar with them.

Message from Alicia Carrillo alliecar@...

Jonathan,   I have only gone to two places in Mexico, to Nochistlan Zac and Tlachichila Zac but did not have any luck in getting access to the actual records. Having said that it was at the beginning of my geneaological journey and in Tlachichila I think and hope that if I come prepared with documentation showing that I am doing verifiable research, I believe I might be allowed access. My cousins still live there and are well connected in the church. Hope as they say is everlasting so I will not lose hope.   I would advise you to be well prepared to present your credentials as a researcher and possibly be willing to pay a small fee or make a small donation to the church, nothing lost in trying. Many times church offices are closed because they have limited financial resources and cannot hire a full time secretary or receptionist. You might find the name of your town on-line, check for a contact name and number and
see if you can call

Message from Erlinda Castanon-Long longsjourney@...

Jonathan, my "cemetary" experience in El Durazno was that someone in
each town has a key to the local cemetary, I did not find any that
were open, they were locked. At the older cemetary in Los Haros,
district of Jerez we were lucky that someone was working there and
agreed to let us in, we had to leave when they did. Cemetaries were
not taken care of but the marble monuments were huge and paid for by
relatives from the states who sent money I was told. When we were in
Guadalajara the same was true for the really old cemetaries, someone
had to admit us.
I had no luck finding records in Jerez Zacatecas, El Limon and
Tamazula Jalisco. Clerks were overworked and without copy machines or
time to give us. I had better luck with the records at the FHC.
The trip was still very much worth the time and money, wonderful
people just researching records is not a priorty for them. I asked to
check a marriage ledger from 1920 and

Hola primo,

I've tried to use the filters at that site but with little luck. Instead, I'll just select a lugar and a tipo documental, then search through the lists for familiar names. I've had success using this method.

Wish I could tell you more!

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Gary,
Puedes indicar la localidad de este testamento, para poder mejor ayudarte a localizarlo.

Saludos

Jaime Alvarado

According to the Instituto de Información Estadística y Geográfica it is located in Totatiche. See the Totatiche part of this map - http://iieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/Colotlan_MBase2013…

The Secretaría de Desarrollo Social doesn't have a population for Cuisco http://www.microrregiones.gob.mx/catloc/LocdeMun.aspx?tipo=clave&campo=…

It had a population of 28 in the 1930 Census
http://www.mesarfhc.org/search/censussearch.php?state=JALISCO&municipal…

Daniel,

I think that would be a great idea to get a copy of those documents and
address the topic with Mariano Gonzalez Leal. I think it's about time we
solve this mystery. Or at least rule out certain families as the parents of
Toribio.

Paige

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> From: Daniel Alejandro M?ndez de Torres y Camino
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> To: Nuestros Ranchos >
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] TORIBIO HERNANDEZ DE ARELLANO
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> Paige,
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> Toribio's estimated birth year was set at 1530 due to the various
> notorial, wills, birth records, etc that are found in Santa Maria de los
> Lagos and La Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara. I personally do not have these,
> but Mariano Gonzalez Leal has them several copies of them. I can ask if I
> can get a copy or bring up the subject to his attention if you would like.
> Please, remember until there is an actual document that

Hola Page and Daniel,

It's the sites like you mention geni and the others that really confused me
going back to the 1300s with ancestors of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano.
When I started I wasn't aware that they had false information and thought
it must be known information and I was convinced I descended from Cortés
and many others. I still think that if you use apellidos like Hurtado de
Mendoza or Ramirez de Arellano that their must be a connection to those
ruling houses and would just like to know which line is correct.

Mia

Mia,

I don't know anything about this topic, but I did have a question. I notice
that in several places on the forum, Toribio Hernandez de Arellano's birth
is said to be 1530; my question is, is that date known or is it just a
guess? Because I looked up Juan Fernandez de Hijar and he died June
29th, 1509, which would be 21 years before Toribio Hernandez de Arellano
was born if 1530 is right.

Hello all,

I was curious what new information is available regarding the ancestry
of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano, the spouse of Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza.
I reviewed many older Nuestros Ranchos forums regarding Toribio and most
say that he's the son of Count Juan Fernandez de Hijar and Isabel de
Arellano. Does anyone know if that's true?

Mia

Real de Asientos was a specific mining town. A real de minas is a mining town.

real2

~ de minas.

1. m. Méx. Pueblo en cuyo distrito hay minas, especialmente de plata.

http://lema.rae.es/drae/srv/search?val=real

A mercader is a merchant.

mercader, ra.

(De mercado, forma del cat. y arag.).

1. m. y f. Persona que trata o comercia con géneros vendibles. Mercader de libros, de hierro.

2. f. coloq. desus. Esposa del mercader.

http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=mercader

Ronnie,

I looked in Ancestry.com's border crossings and didn't see anything for her parents. She was born in Texas. In the 1900 census the family is all listed as "white". I think in the 1910 census, the interpretation of "ot" might mean "other". I think they probably didn't look "Mexican" to the Anglo enumerator. They are listed as Mexican Spanish, since the Texans think of light skinned Mexicans as "Spanish" and not "Mexican". It looks like they came from Camargo, Chihuahua, and that Matilde had been married before to a Francisco Castillo, and she had a son named Blas Castillo, as well as a daughter Justina born 1897 and another son Juan born 1900 before she had Tranquilina and one other child in Texas from Pedro Vasuez who she married in 1896.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> From: chilerey@msn.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 15:25:59 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Question- Race
>
> Hola Members, I have been playing with my wifes side of

Thats pretty much all about those "troncos", in this case starts with Nicolas Lozano, then the first generation (primer grado de consanguinidad) are brother and sister; Jose santos and Timotea, their kids, first cousins are Proquinta and Telisfora, their kids, second cousins are Ma. Trinidad and Lorenzo, and the last ones, third cousins, Jose G. and Maria, which in this case they must be the Groom and Bride.

The advantage of this information is that it can take you back a couple of generations even with people who have different last names, like in this case. Also even if the name of the spouses are not given we can a least know their possible last name with their kids, thus Timotea Lozano must have married someone with the Reinaga surname, and so on. Those are a least some extra clues.

Well, It wasn't a genealogical tree, those relationship diagrams where only to point out the "parentesco" and the degree of it. Thus if just one line is at question, all other individuals are left out (unfortunately for us). This information where not meant for the individuals but rather for the ecclesiastical authorities to check, thus they have to simplify it, putting extra information (including the names of the husbands/wifes) could made difficult to understand, something that they would not likely want to bother with.

As a side note the 1st degree are brothers, and goes on from there. Also if there was more than one line of relationship then they would add a diagram for each line.