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I believe Estefana did have different parents. (I'm going over old notes a distant cousin wrote for me.) this cousin had Estefana listed as having Tadeo Dias & Genoveva as the parents. But I do remember hearing him say that Tadeo had a twin. I believe Estefana was the daughter of that twin.

The other interesting fact (possibility), is that the family of Tadeo Dias connects on two branches of my paternal line. (My paternal grandmother and grandfather).

(This also happened on my maternal line as well.) I know it was not uncommon to marry ones cousin back in those days.

Marty

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> apparently Estefana had different parents. I show Tadeo Diaz and Josefa
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I have reviewed a dispensation that identifies Sebastian de Avila as the son of Nicolas de Avila (and with further research, Sebastian's mother was Gertrudis Falcon de la Garza). Sebastian's wife is most commonly known as Lugarda (or Josefa Lugarda) Dias de Leon (or sometimes her last name is Becerra).

I am trying to locate the marriage records for Sebastian and Lugarda and Nicolas and Gertrudis. Sebastian and Lugarda had children born in Ojuelos and Pinos (the children were born between 1771-1791), but the marriage records in Ojuelos don't reach as far back as 1770/1771 as far as I can tell. Is there another city where those records could be kept?

Nicolas and Gertrudis had children in Pinos and San Felipe, Guanajuato; the oldest child I have found so far was baptized in 1727 in Pinos. I have not located a marriage record for Nicolas and Gertrudis, yet, but I'm hoping someone on NR has encountered it in Pinos or elsewhere. Nicolas is noted as the brother of Bernardo de Avila, who in turn is the son of Juan Lopez de Avila and Juana de Trujillo.

Any help would be appreciated,

Rosalinda

Hope I'm doing this right.

I'm looking for Estefana Dias and her marriage to REdecindo Torres. Estefana's parents were Tadeo Dias and Genoveva Leanos. They resided in Santa Maria De Los Angeles,Jalisco,Mexico. The closest date I have is 1846 when a brother Florentino Diaz was married to Brigida Cabrera on October 8th, 1846.

I'm currently looking on familysearch.org but am unsure how to go about ordering the film number. An even bigger problem-No hablo o leo espanol!

Any advice on how to pursue this task would be greatly appreciated.

Gracias.

Marty Puentes

Does anyone know if church records exist for La Purisima Concepcion in Valparaiso, Zacatecas for the periods, pre-1834 & 1834-1865?

Thanks.

Michael Carrillo

https://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

The reference number is: GUADALAJARA,230,L.3

It is a registro of Nuevo Galicia that is 742 pages long. It may have the document about the founding of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

I was reading about mining in Bolanos, Jalisco, Mexico:

http://geo-mexico.com/?p=10108

And it lead me to map collections by the University of Austin, Texas:

https://www.lib.utexas.edu/benson/rg/

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Somos Primos April 2015 Please cut and paste
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2015/spapr15/spapr15.htm

Dear Primos, Family, and Friends:

May the beauty of the season, flowers and new life bring joy, hope and peace into each heart, as we remember with thanksgiving our many blessings. I certainly rejoice when I see evidence of pride in accomplishment and respect for our shared Hispanic/Latino heritage.

Woman’s month in March resulted in lots of Latina women being acknowledged, such as a huge, many group Mariachi concert in Los Angeles, a tribute to Linda Ronstadt.

An article “7 Powerful Latina Women Who Made Their Mark on History” by John Paul Brammer identifies some women to remember.

Also, Margarito J. Garcia III asked us to remember the bravery of Las Adelitas, the Mexican women who traveled with the Mexican army during the Mexican Revolution. A new Documentary
Rebel: Loreta Velazaquez Civil War Soldier and Spy is about a Latina in the US Civil War.

In this issue you’ll find current Latinas making a difference: Yuri Rodriguez (astronaut), Julissa Arce (Goldman Sachs analyst), Maribel Avila (restaurant manger), Sara Ines Calderon (writer/activist). Rosie Carbo (lifestyle writer), Lynn Alvarez (playwriter).

Teresa Valcarce (colonial history activist) expands her efforts to promote Spanish General, Bernardo de Galvez.

In California, many Latinas were recognized by State and US elected officials, such as Rosa Barragan as Woman of the Year by California Assemblymember Ian Calderon. California State Senator Ben Hueso recognized Maria E.
Garcia (educator/Chicano activist) as a Woman of the Year.

Sylvia Tillotson, descendent of Jose Antonio Navarro was the leadership behind the cenotaph (statue on opening page) now located prominently in the Texas State cemetery. California Tataviam Chief, Mary Cooke Garcia is remembered.

Accompanying his article on Filipinos in Romania, Eddie Calderon sent a photo of modern Filipinas enjoying an evening together in “Far Away Places.

In including all with a Spanish surname, as of some Hispanic heritage, I can say with confidence that our presence historically is all over the world. Do read the articles about the Spanish in Japan and Ireland.

Enjoy, Mimi

TABLE OF CONTENTS, April 2015

UNITED STATES
A Feel good story: The Army-Navy Game Train - 2014 Children of Giant by Daisy Wanda Garcia May 22-23, 2015 Latinos in Heritage Conservation "White colorism" exists Perpetuated Hollywood Hispanic Images
by Ray J. de Aragon
Now in Español
15th Annual Cesar Chavez Legacy Awards
Tribal marijuana conference for tribal governments, Tulalip, Wash.
Workers' Rights and the Right to Work by Felipe de Ortego y Gasca Avila's El Ranchito Dishes Out Strong Family Traditions by Hannah Madans Yari Rodriguez Could be Mars First and Only Latina to settle Mars How an Undocumented Immigrant From Mexico Became a Star
at Goldman Sachs
7 Powerful Latina Women Who Made Their Mark on History
John Paul Brammer
Sara Ines Calderón and Voto Latino
Rancho del Sueno, Madera, California, Equine Assisted Therapy Hispanic Marketing 101 and Calendar of Important Conferences

HERITAGE PROJECTS
Art, History, & Culture: walking the streets of Spain while sketching
and listening for voices from the past by Eddie Martinez,
edited and translated in Spanish by Viola Rodriguez Sadler Rancho del Sueno, Madera, California Offers equine assisted therapy, growth,
and learning programs
The importance of the Wilbur-Cruce Horses by Historian Caroline Baldock Funding Proposal to Pueblo of Isleta for Sor Maria de Agreda Latino in Heritage Conservation Summit: National Dialogue

HISTORIC TIDBITS
The Privileged and Unprivileged Classes in Europe during the 18th Century Tobacco . . . How They Got Started Who was the first European to smoke tobacco?
Las Adelitas by Margarito J. Garcia III, Ph.D.
The Spanish Colonial Uniform Research Project
Documentary: Personal reflections on The San Patricios (1996) The Soldiers of St. Patrick by Michael Hogan

HISPANIC LEADERS
E. A. 'Tony' Mares, English Emeritus May 17, 1938 – January 30, 2015 Camille Guérin-Gonzales, Historian/Educator, July 20, 1945 - Feb 24,
2015

AMERICAN PATRIOTS
Hometown Battlefield
Iwo-Jima 1945 Photos
Vietnam Wall, Resourcefor information
Medal of Honor Recipient Captain Ed Freeman, Nov. 20, 1927 – Aug. 20,
2008
The Hornet’s Nest and Working Wardrobes’ VetNet program Vietnam War, 50 Years Later Giving a Voice to Latino Veterans
by Liset Marquez
Doolittle Raiders
WW II Era, PBY-5A Catalina, Strawberry 5 After Flight 77 Hit the Pentagon on 9/11, What Happened

EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
SAR Magazine Vol. 109 No.3 online
Another Gálvez Portrait Unveiled - Pensacola Senator Robert Menendez received Bernardo de Galvez Award
by Teresa Valcarce
Corpus Christi y Lepe by Ángel Custodio Rebollo Texas A&M University-San Antonio: Special Collections Reading Room SAR seeks descendants of Yuma Massacre of 1781

SURNAMES
Descripcion del Escudo de Inclan

DNA
Anthropologist offers possible explanation for collapse
of ancient city of Teotihuacan
Anthropological Genetic Genealogy:
The Carthaginian Connection to New Mexican Families
URL: New theory on how Neanderthal dna spread in asia
URL: Quess where white Americans have the most African Ancestry

FAMILY HISTORY
El Portal de Archivos Españoles
RootsTech 2015 Breaks Records and Keeps Giving Availability of Records by Ethnic Groups Researching and Finding Military Records

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 1:22 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: The Carthaginian Connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup E1b1b1b)

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on the Carthaginian connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup E1b1b1b). If you would like to learn more about the mark this ancient civilization made on the Iberian Peninsula then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on April 10, at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Continuing Education program.

Here is a link to sign up for the presentation:

http://newmexico.augusoft.net/index.cfm?method=ClassInfo.ClassInformati… &int_class_id=68054

Best Regards,
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New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA Institute

P.S. For more information contact Angel

I am reading a PDF file that is long and interesting on Colonial Zacatecas.

I ran across this section where it says that the Conde of Hacienda San Mateo had paid, 70,000 pesos for an expedition to Texas:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/33kdq9h.jpg

Where did I find this PDF file? It is the one "Actores Educativos de la region minera Zacatecas"

https://www.google.com.mx/search?hl=es&gl=mx&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=mexic…

I am chatting with a historian of Zacatecas, Mexico and he lives over there. He told me that he recently met someone from San Luis Potosi that has the "padrones" book of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico year 1648.

He says that Juan De Angon was one of the first settlers of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico in 1648. That he was "viudo" and had a son name "Esteban Angon" who was the heir of his rancho. Which later became, "Santa Rosa"

In the past I had posted a "pasajero de indias" of Juan De Angon 1606 to Nuevo Galicia:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22619

He is reading that document for me since he is familiar with that style of writing.

These Catalogs basically indexes of everyone that got registered to travel to the new world and are comprised of various volumes. Below are links to three sites that have these catalogs. The last site has the most catalogs.

https://archive.org/details/catlogodepasaj52rome

http://archive.org/stream/catlogodepasaj52rome#page/n3/mode/2up

http://mexicangenealogy.info/passenger-catalogs-from-spain-to-the-ameri…

This video is excellent all the churches and one church that caught my attention is the one in minute 1:54. I was wondering what church is that and what are the white squares on the floor in front of the church entrance. Pretty Monte Escobedo in all the areas they show:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=167540500113607

I have been stuck for years on finding the parents of my 4th great grandfather Jose Ysidro Hurtado. I knew his name from baptism records and marriage dispensation of my 3rd great grandfather Rafael Hurtado but could never find Ysidro's parents names. I checked the baptism records of all of children I could find through LDS and no luck the parents were listed but not grandparents. Yesterday I was searching LDS and found the baptism record for Yisdro's youngest daughter Josefa Petronila De Jesus Hurtado and the grandparents were listed. This find was a double bit of luck in that I found Ysidro's parents were Francisco Hurtado and Augustina De Anda. The other bit of luck was that I was able to confirm with another source the parents of Ysidro's wife Rosa Munos.
Moral of the story genealogy isn't easy but eventually it comes together.

I have been working for some time on documenting the ancestors and descendants of Victoriano Huerta. I have put my research online and have had a number of people contact me about it, including a professor at the Universidad Autónoma de Baja California who is writing a biography of Victoriano Huerta and who found a number of the documents there very useful.

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I2440

I am stuck on his mother's lineage, which I am convinced comes from the Marquez de los Olivos, but I have been unable to find the parents of the earliest documented ancestor (Felipe Marquez de los Olivos who was born circa 1700 and married Francisca Xaviera Sanchez probably in Tlaltenango).

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I2561

If anyone has any insights into this I would greatly appreciate them.

ESPANOL

He estado trabajando durante algún tiempo en la documentación de los antepasados y descendientes de Victoriano Huerta. He puesto mi investigación en la red y han tenido un número de personas en contacto conmigo al respecto, incluyendo un profesor de la Universidad Autónoma de Baja California que está escribiendo una biografía de Victoriano Huerta y que encontró un número de documentos muy útiles.

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I2440

Estoy estancado en el linaje de su madre, quien estoy convencido proviene de la Márquez de los Olivos, pero no he podido encontrar los padres del antepasado documentado mas antiguo (Felipe Márquez de los Olivos, que nació alrededor de 1700 y se casó con Francisca Xaviera Sánchez probablemente en Tlaltenango) .

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I2561

Si alguien tiene ideas sobre este tema por favor dejenme saber.

i felt like sharing this since it could give me a better idea how some of my mom's matches are related to her in the cases where i don't know how they fit in.

The 3rd meeting of the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society will be held on April 25th in Orange, California from 11 am until 2 pm. If you'd like an informational flyer (with the location and directions), please email us at nggs@nuevagalicia.org, and we'll send it to you.

Please let us know if you expect to attend!

Rosalinda and Erika

You all have been so helpful in the past I hate to ask for a favor. I am having trouble with this Marriage Dispensation. I am trying to locate Francisco Hurtado Jimenez’ parents names. I found one of his abuelos but no luck with parents. The web page is https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-49962-16?cc=1874591&wc…
It starts with image 443 and goes through 454.

Thank you all in advance, I am taking Spanish classes but I am not there yet.
Randy mcNeal

In the past I had wondered about education in colonial Mexico.

I was looking through the PARS website for Testamentos (filtered for archivos de indias) and browsing each one to see if I can find any for for our region (Jalisco,Zacatecas, Aguascalientes) in Mexico.

Just out of curiosity, I ran across one that mentiones "Universidad de Mexico:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Reference no. INDIFERENTE,202,N.5

http://oi58.tinypic.com/ej8y0.jpg

Hi Ronald,
I do have the Collection of books of Retoños De España... and I will be more than happy to check for you, but I am currently away from home and won't be back for more than a week. If no one else helps you by then and you don't mind waiting for me I will send you the info. then.

Silvia I Sandoval

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http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

The refrence number to look up in search: MP-MEXICO,597

I was trying to find the ospital de ciudad Mexico of 1573. But instead found this one in Guadalajara

Hola Members , I have looking for Tomas Gonzalez de Hermosillo who married Nicolasa Marquez (daughter of Diego Marquez de Los Olivos and Maria de La Cruz Martin del Campo)
A member of another website states that Tomas Gonzalez de Hermosillo was also named Gonzalez-Rubio son of Diego Gonzalez-Rubio and Catarina Aceves. He states his source (which I do not own ,I can't verify) Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia-TOMO IV vol. 1 page 18 that TOMAS was brother to a Diego Gonzalez-Rubio el Mozo and the Parents were Diego Gonzalez-Rubio and Catarina Aceves . I was wondering if any one had the book and could verify ths info.
Thank you for time
Ronnie

I'm having difficulty completely understanding this marriage record for Calletano Franco (top of left page). It's from San Juan de los Lagos, 1840. I thought it was going to be for Calletano Franco and Lugarda Martin, but I can't tell if what comes after Lugarda is a surname (doesn't appear to be capitalized) or if it means something else. It seems like there may be quite a few abbreviations.

I'm hoping someone better acquainted with the script and church language can help me decipher it. Thank you.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-58163-11?cc=1874591&wc…

Saw something interesting in the PARS website:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/125gfw5.jpg

On 20 of April 1649, there was an order to burn two temple idols in order to build new Valle De Huejuqulla near Tenzompa:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/125gfw5.jpg

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2ij3dk9.jpg

I looked it up here:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

I wish I could see in more detail but it doesn't have the blue computer symbol in order to be able to see it online.

There are several churches in Mezquitic and I believe this one is the Parroquia de San Juan Bautista:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/16gij2o.jpg

The inside:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/v7a9fc.jpg

Here is some pictures of a Priest giving mass on what looks like a top of a mountain and look at the view of the valley off in the distance? Seems more like if he is at Monte Escobedo. Because when we had traveled past there Monte Escobedo is on top of a mountain and Mezquitic is down at the valley:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/33nud6a.jpg

If you notice in this picture there are some old steps in the distance

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2ry22c6.jpg

Closer look at the old steps:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/msc3d0.jpg

I wonder how old are those steps and what was there?

i recently updated my rootsweb file and these are the bonillas of mesquitic and other nearby areas that i remembered to put on my tree

1 salvador Bonilla
+ rosa saldana
2 Francisco Tadeo Bonilla d: bef 1788
+ juana maria de san pablo trujillo b: abt 1748
3 miguel bonilla
+ guadalupe de nava
4 Candelaria Bonilla b: abt 1811
3 Trinidad Bonilla
+ marcelina escobedo
4 Fabian Bonilla
+ Francisca Arceo
+ Manuela Marquez
3 Fernando Bonilla
+ Maria Lugarda Quesada b: Oct 1746
4 jesus Bonilla
4 julian Bonilla
+ Ma Tomasa Mendoza b: 21 Dec 1804
4 jose maria Bonilla
+ josefa lopez
5 simona Bonilla
5 alejandro Bonilla
+ Filomena de santiago
4 jose manuel Bonilla b: Jul 1769
4 mariana Bonilla b: 1786
+ Marcial banuelos b: 1775
5 maria del loreto banuelos
+ Antonio George Mendoza b: 23 Apr 1813
5 rita banuelos
+ bibiano Diaz
5 Maria Gertrudis Banuelos b: 1804 d: 08 JUN 1873
5 anastacia banuelos b: 27 sep 1806
+ Juana escobedo
4 maria Josefa Bonilla
+ Jose Alejandro Quezada b: SEP 1750
5 Jose Apolinario Quesada
+ Maria Felipa De Avila
6 Maria Josefa Del Refugio quezada b: 18 Dec 1817
6 Mariana quezada
+ Jose Fernando De Aro b: 17 May 1822
7 Quirino De Aro b: 4 jun 1857
6 Gervacia Protacia Quesada b: 19 Jun 1812
6 Jose Antonio Ponseano Quesada b: 18 Nov 1815
6 Maria Polonia Quesada b: 10 Mar 1820
5 Maria Josefa De La Trinidad Quesada b: Jun 1779
+ Melchor Verumes
+ toribio acevedo
5 Maria Polonia Rosalia Quesada b: Feb 1788 d: 9 mar 1810
+ antonio acevedo b: 15 jan 1810
5 Maria Josefa Rafaela Quesada b: Jan 1790
3 catarino Bonilla
3 jose trinidad Bonilla
3 bacilio Bonilla
+ maria Valenzuela b: abt 1747
4 juan Bonilla
+ ramona banuelos
5 francisco Bonilla
+ francisca alonzo
2 manuel Bonilla
+ josefa ramirez
3 jose fernando Bonilla