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They are husband and wife who passed away in year 1777 and at Hacienda San Antonio De Padua, near Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico they are espanoles and says they are poor?

Joseph Guevara, Espanol - passes away on 1/25/1777
Juana Maria Zarate, Espanola - passes away on 1/29/ 1777

They are husband and wife and found them on the same page. I wonder how can "espanoles" be poor? Doesn't say what the passed away from.

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http://oi58.tinypic.com/24qmsnq.jpg

I ran across this one that is interesting where two people were hit by "rallo" lightening in 1775. Gives details of how they looked like when they were found.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/ab18x0.jpg

Hello all,

I am in northern California and hope to become active in the local Nuestros group.

I descend from a Miguel Mercado and his wife Maria Gertrudis Garcia. Their son, Jose Santiago Mercado was born in Mezquital Del Oro, Zac. Sept 8, 1748. I have a fairly well developed genealogy from that point forward. But I do not know Miguel's roots.

Miguel and Maria had at least 5 children in Mezquital between 1740 and 1751. During the same time period, and in the same pueblo, Sebastian Mercado and Lucianna Nunes had four children - one being born in Nochistlan. Another Mercado couple, Nicolas and Maria Ynigues had at least one child in Mezquital. Finally, too, a Manuel Mercado and Gertrudis Guitierres had at least one child.

So Mezquital Del Oro was a supermercado (pun) source. I would be interested in connecting with any persons from these lines to get a lead on Miguel Mercado's birthplace.

Also I note that Nochistlan generated many Mercados in the 1708 - 1729 period. So perhaps some of these were in my line. The families there included Sebastian Mercado + Maria Lomelin and (2) Maria de Torres, Cristobal Mercado + M. Angela de la Torres, Calletano Mercado + Francisco Nunes.

My immediate plan is to try to get and translate some of the baptismal records for Mezquital in the mid 1700's, hoping to find a notation about Miguel and Marias parentage. If that fails, I will try to find other trees that connect with mine that have been better researched.

The Tepechitlan parish record of the marriage of Jose Santiago Mercado + M. Guadelupe Luna in 1779 took 14 Spanish speakers and months of related research to translate!! The padre had a case of the shakes.

I am very pleased to find and join your group and will be happy to share any of my information with you. Unfortunately, the last Spanish speaker in my line died 112 years ago, but I will use Google translate where I can.

Harry

YAY!! I was able to upload my 19,000+ Family Tree to Nuestros Ranchos GEDCOM!

Joseph de Leon

My great grandfather, Antonio Valenzuela, was born in Rancho de Encinillas of Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, on June 13, 1901, according to his birth certificate, to Jose Gregorio Valenzuela (between 70 and 80 years old at the time) and Juana Velasquez (around 20 years old at the time). I have a few questions I haven't been able to answer yet. I will post them below in case any names of places / people ring a bell:

1) Does anyone know if Rancho de Encinillas in Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman was a kind of peon's hacienda? I am looking for any information possible about this ranch, as there seems to exist almost none online.

2) Is anyone familiar with the role of Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman during the Mexican revolution? According to oral histories in my family, the abovementioned Juana Velasquez, who was the daughter of Severo Velasquez and Felipe Minjares, abandoned her children to fight in the revolution in the early 1900s. She was also a curandera-medium. I am trying to find other instances of young women from Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman who might have had involvement in the revolution. Does anyone have such instances in their family histories?

3) The abovementioned Gregorio Valenzuela was near the end of his life when he met Juana Velasquez and had three children with her, including the abovementioned Antonio Valenzuela. According to oral histories in my family, Gregorio had a wife and several daughters with another woman prior to meeting Juana Velasquez. Gregorio is the descendant of Jose Valenzuela (born about 1802 in Tepechitlán, Zacatecas) and Rita Bañuelos (birth unknown), who were married in 1822 in Tepechitlán Zacatecas and had the following children: Florentina Valenzuela Bañuelos, Maria Ramona Timotea Valenzuela Banuelos, and Jose Gregorio Valenzuela Banuelos (born about 1828). Is anyone on here related to Gregorio Valenzuela, perhaps from his first marriage?

Hi AG,
I am looking for a Maria Huizar... She would have
Been born in the late 1850's to the early 1860's...
I am finding out that Huizar is not a very common
surname... she married a Cristobal Hernandez, and
they had at least 2 children that I know of.... Zenona
Hernandez and a sister whose name I do not know.

It is very possible that lived in Colotlan andTotatiche
In Jalisco.

Thank you for contacting me and letting me know.

Marty

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From: A G
Date: 12/12/06 16:13:45
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org; marty@vvm.com
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Researching Huizar

Hey Marty,

Welcome to the group. I am researching Huizar also.
Except that my Huizar family are from Colotlan and
Totatiche in Jalisco. It's not that far from
Fresnillo, I think...

Do you have any specific names? I can look them up
and see if I have any relatives with those names.

Take a look at my files if you are interested.

Angie Godina

--- Marty wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> my name is Marty and I am researching for my
> ancestry in the vicinity of the city/town of
> Fresillo in Zacatecas, Mexico... I am very intrested
> in the Sur-names of:
> Arroyo
> Villasana
> Hernandez
> Huizar
>
> If anyone has any of these Sur-names in their
> ancestry I would like to hear from you.
>
> Marty

I found the difunto record of my GG Grandmother Maria Dimas De La Paz (1819 - 1885). The writing is kind of light. Can any of you help me read it? It mentions at the begging "Calixto Madera." That is her son since Calixto Madera is the son of Patricio Madera (1792 - ?) and Maria Dimas De La Paz. I found this in the Civil Records but couldn't find it in the Catholic Church records in the LDS archives because the LDS archives only have records of the "Parroquia of San Diego" Church. In this document it mentions something about "Sanctuario" which could mean the "Sanctuario De Divino Preso Church" Since our village has two churchs - Parroquia de San Diego and Sanctuario of Divino Preso.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/162p2o.jpg

I found it here and it is on the right side:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-21138-1962-35?cc=1918187&…

Found the matrimonio of my GG Grandparents Patricio Madera and Maria Dimas De La Paz in the year 1852.

starts on page 1810 of 3054 in the archive of informacion matrimonial 1839-1842, 1864-1868, 1792-1798, 1837-1839, 1841-1858, 1846-1850, 1852-1855

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18450-2330-8?cc=1874591&wc=S…

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Says that Patricio Madera is hijo legitima de "Juan Benancio Madera"

Patricio Madera was 54 years of age as it is noted in the document. I had found out a Patricio Madera had another wife prior during the early 1800's by the name of Tomasa Munoz. Found them on the padrones 1828-1830 in Rancho Ximulco.

In the year 1838, Tomasa Munoz passed away at age 40.

My linea is from Patricio Madera and Maria Dimas De La Paz as the had a son by the name of "Caxlito Madera (1851-1854? - 1923) who is my Great Grandfather.

My Zambrano branch of the family is Originaly from San Juan del fuerte, Lapiedad, Michoacan.
They migrated to Ocotlan, Jalisco and finaly to California norte.

My granfather was Zambrano Zambrano.

Zambrano Hernandez from his father.

And Zambrano Ayala from his mother.

The records in michoacan for catholic church stop in 1890,s and Gabriel zambrano was born im 1880,s.

I am currently looking for one of his younger brother to get more information. but will get to a death end?

Anyone has relation to me in this forum?

Please contact Carlos Yturralde (cmyturralde@gmail.com) for more information:

We have now imaged one-third of the Fondo Colonial collection of the Hidalgo del Parral Municipal Historical Archive. We have partnered with RootsPoint and they will host the images online hopefully in two weeks. We will send out a press release when they become available. Then we will be looking for volunteers to index the collection.

Thanks to a donation for Chantal Cramaussel we have some copies of her book “Poblar la frontera: La provincial de Santa Barbara en Nueva Vizcaya durante los siglos XVI y XXVII,” available for sale. They are $48 each, which includes shipping within the continental United States. If you have ancestors that were early settlers of Nueva Vizcaya this is a book that you should have in your personal library or it can be a nice gift to children or grandchildren who know Spanish.

Just let us know if you would like a copy of the book and we will reserve it until we receive your check and mailing instructions. Should it be a gift we will include a card with a message from you. Thank you again for your support.

Carlos

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The March 2015 issue of Somos Primos is filled with the latest heritage projects, events, and celebrations, but also archived articles , tidbits and essays 10, 20, and even 30 plus years old. Since the mid 1980s when I started editing a print quarterly of Somos Primos, I have been saving historical items that enlarged my understanding or gave me a new perspective. My files are full and I plan to continue sharing.

I think many of us are beginning to realize that only upon reflecting on our past, within the framework of society of that time, can we fully grasp what we experienced and why.

A documentary by Hector Galan about the 1955 movie, `Giant’ will be on PBS stations in April, and will help to clarify the prejudice Mexican Americans were experiencing. We all can remember incidents, but cannot be buried under them. We must use our increased historical understanding to be enlighten and uplifted.

I continue to receive fascinating articles of personal histories, reflecting time periods and locations. Refugio Salinas Fernandez wrote about the Globo Theater in Corpus Christi, Tx. His father owned and ran the theater, and he as a youth, worked it. (In high school student, I was an usherette in the single theater in Manteca, CA) Samuel Saenz, Jr. writes about the importance of the trains in the Mexican community of Alice, Tx. (Trains and Union Station in Los Angeles were a big part of life in Los Angeles) Galal Kernahan writes about arranging to bring Cook Island dancers to perform in Garden Grove in 1983. (I live in the city right next to Garden Grove.) Though different from my life, I find I can always relate in some way to the life stories I receive.

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I am looking at the defunto records of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

I ran across this one that seems like this person was of importance because it says she is from the Hacienda of San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico and that she was buried in the Campo Santo of La Capilla De La Hacienda De San Antonio.

Her name is Maria Begona Egurvide of 23 years of age. Daughter of Agustin De Egurvide and Alefonsa De Landa. She is the wife of Luis Murguia:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2lt2bdj.jpg

I will be updating my post with a whole bunch more information.  I had just been going off of memory to make my original post.  As soon as I can copy information from my documents there will be a lot more on there.

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I am so happy to have found your conversation. It gives me new hope of
finding more information on my family. I am also looking for family members
in Mezquital del Oro and the surrounding areas. The oldest record I have for
the Cida family is 1744, but then I had no idea where to go from there since
there aren't very many records older than that. Thank you, and welcome!

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I just saw an episode of a TV show named Forever (Warner Channel Latinoamérica, lunes, 22 hrs), it had an interesting genealogy quote:

"The truth is, each of us is related. It's just a question of how far back you trace your family tree. Deep down, all of us have shared blood in our veins. Although, individual tastes may vary. And if we're all related then all of us have royal blood, which is why every child should be treated as a king or queen no matter how old our children may be." Hernry Morgan.

Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

For those of you in this area:

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 2:09 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Anthropological Genetic Genealogy: The Celt-Iberian Connection to
New Mexican Families (Haplogroup R1b1)

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on Anthropological Genetic
Genealogy: The Celt-Iberian Connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup
R1b1). If you would like to learn more about the mark this ancient
civilization made on the Iberian Peninsula then this presentation is for
you. There will be a presentation on the subject on April 19, through the
University of New Mexico Continuing Education program.

Here is a link to sign up for the presentation:

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Amalia,

In a message board from 2001 I found this statement:

"Among the original settlers [of Nuevo Mexico] were the Archuleta, Baca, Chavez, Lucero and Montoya families. Soldiers brought from Spain included the Paez Hurtado, Fernandez de la Pedrera, Roybal surnames. Families which came from the Valley of Mexico [Mexico City] included Aragon, Medina, Ortiz, Quintana and many others. The bulk of this group arrived in Santa Fe in June 1695. From the city of Zacatecas [capital of the state of Zacatecas] and the mines of Sobrerete [in the state of Zacatecas] came the Armijo, Vigil, and Vargas families as well as others who did not arrive in Santa Fe until May 1695. Several families that were native to Guadalupe del Paso [now Juarez] came north, including the Padilla and Perea clans".

So, that tells me that your Villalpandos were most likely from Zacatecas where the "Villa de Jerez" is.

The information in the post from 2001 seems to have been lifted from Fray Angelico's book.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

I was going through defunto records of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico and ran across this one of "Antonio Lopez" 71 years of age of Rancho San Rafael, "murio de dehidrofecia" I don't know that that means.

But it also says he left someone a "medalla de plata" I wonder what is that? Medal of honor made of silver?

http://oi61.tinypic.com/21nnrl3.jpg

Los libros se pueden entregar personalmente en la ciudad de México o enviar por algún medio a convenir. Los precios son en pesos mexicanos.

I found out where the old panteon of Huejuquilla El Alto is located. I was told that:

“en esta parte estaba ubicado el antiguo panteon... tambien estaba el corredero.. donde se hacian l los jaripeos y coleaderos.. a lado norte junto a lo que hoy es la gasolineria nueva... en este cuadro hoy se encuentra el Hospital de primer nivel. y el jardin de niños Xochicalitl.”

“en la parte de abajo esta lo que es la corraleta y donde estubieron los lavaderos municipales. es por la salida a San Juan Capistrano.. al fondeo se aprecia el Hotel Moras Palomas.”

And they provided me with this picture:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2rpsdj4.jpg

Then he told me that where the yellow line is in the picture below they dug to build a canal and they found a lot of bones:

“Aqui por donde esta la linea en amarillo pasa el canal por abajo de la tierra.. ahi se hicieron excabaciones y sacaron muchos huesos .. la verdad no se donde se depositarian... . ya en esta parte hay bodegas y casas... ellos o muchos no saben que aqui era un panteon”

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2cik50l.jpg

Those photos are taken at from an angle as if your standing on the bridge that crosses a river to go to Ex-Hacienda San Antonio and looking back at Huejuquilla. So it is on the side of Huejuquilla where the road is that leads towards “Cerro Huixtle and Cerro Blanco” as I have marked on this map:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2zpmn3b.jpg

Also on the above map, the “Cofradia is on that side of Huejuquilla and very near where the panteon antiguo is suppose to be. Because on that road that goes to Cerro Huixtle and Cerro Blanco you will see a green and white sign that says,

“Cofradia”

I have walked many times on that side of Huejuquilla. There is also a soccer field that is on that side very close to where the old panteon is suppose to be.
But if you were to go down the road and head towards San Juan Capistrano you would see the Cerro Huixtle and Cerro Blanco like this:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2yukcyg.jpg

Well for short, find “Calle Independencia” in downtown Huejuquilla and go down all the way towards the end then turn right on that road to where the soccer field, Cofradia is and that is the general area where the panteon antiguo is.

My hunch is that panteon antiguo is much older than I thought. Because when I was looking through the Archive of “La Cofradia (1632 – 1700)” of Huejuquilla El Alto in the LDS website, I saw some pages where the author mentioned a “Capilla” he wrote, “En esta capilla del rancho de Juan De Angon” So then if at that time the Parroquia of San Diego didn’t exist yet, there was a capilla at the Cofradia of Huejuquilla very near where the panteon antiguo is located. I would think that the people at that time had their church service at that capilla then buried in the panteon antiguo. Then when the “Parroquia de San Diego came into existence, which is on the other side of town, the defunto services and records were held there, then the defunto was transported to where the panteon antiguo which would be about a 10 – 20 minute walk from the parroquia de San Diego to the panteon antiguo

I am trying to find the defunto record of my GGGG Grandfather Francisco Madera whose wife I know is Maria Leocadia De Huizar and they had a son name Juan Venancio Madera in 1762 in Rancho De Los Maderas. Then Juan had a son name Patricio Madera in Rancho Ximulco in 1792.

But now I turned my attention to try to find the matrimonio of my GGG Grandfather Juan Venancio Madera. But as I got to 1786 I ran across this document that is in the matrimonios but what is odd? Francisco Madera makes an accusation against Blas Escalante over his daughter Maria Josefa Madera. This is odd because Francisco Madera even goes so far as to demand that Blas Escalante be arrested and executed!! Here is his statement:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/1onacn.jpg

Then Blas Escalantes gives his statement to defend himself. I am not sure is going on and it is like a soap opera and I want to know if in the end, did Maria Josefa Madera get married with Blas Escalante?

This goes from page 30 - 33 the statements made by both sides:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-42637-19?cc=1874591&wc…

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 7:45 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: The Indo-European Connection to the Celts (DNA & Language Origin)

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on Anthropological Genetic Genealogy: The Indo-European Connection to the Celts (DNA & Language Origin). If you would like to learn more about the mark this ancient civilization made on Europe then this presentation is for you. There will be a talk on the subject on February 27 at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Osher program. The class number is 19449.

To register for this Osher class go to the following link:

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Ángel de Cervantes
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P.S. For more information contact Angel

Primos,

Regards Ancestry.com online family trees:

I found out the hard way that if you share (by clicking share) on someone else's Tree's photos or photos of Catholic Church digital records that when that owner of that Tree deletes his/her own Tree, you lose all that data yourself.

It is better to copy/paste those photos into your own "picture file" and then upload them into your own Tree to permanently keep them.

Jose Carlos de Leon

Hola a Todos
Por cuestiones de cambio de ciudad y trabajo estuve muy fuera del foro.
Les comparto que tengo un libro de la Genealogía de los Torres de Jaen(Gonzalo Torres Martínez), por si alguien requieren alguna información.
Me gustaría ver si me pudiesen ayudar a encontrar a los orígenes de los ascendientes de Juan Ysidro De Villalobos y Anna Ximenez ( que se casaron en Nochistlan el 11 de octubre de 1769). Tengo que los padres de Juan Ysidro son Francisco de Villalobos y María Carrillo y los de Anna (Creo que Joseph) Ximenez y María Rodríguez.
Gracias de antemano todas las enseñanzas compartidas en el foro.

I have found a major flaw in my tree. It seems I have fallen victim to the syndrome of "too many people with the same name." I somehow had combined Francisco Michel-Ordones (1), married to Michaela Lopez-Bueso, with Francisco Michel-Ordones (2), married to Manuela Lopez-Bueso and then to Lorenza Gertrudes Gonzales. My husband is a direct descendant of both of these men.

Francisco (1), was married to Michaela up to the time of his death in 1709:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-8269-65?cc=1874591&wc=…

I have 7 children listed for this couple: Maria (Directly descended), Dominga, Domingo, Juana, Ascencio, Ignacio, Regina. I haven't located a marriage for this couple nor can I verify their parents...although there are several possibilities. A strong possibility is that he is the brother of Thomas Michel-Ordones, father of Francisco (2).

Francisco (2), was born to Thomas Michel-Ordones and Augustina Escobar in 1694 in Autlan:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18561-19394-40?cc=1874591&wc…

was married to Manuela Lopez-Bueso until her death in 1742 in Sayula:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18571-57336-26?cc=1874591&wc…

I have 5 children listed for this couple: Maria de la Concepcion, Juan Matias, Thomas, Julio Feliciano, and Justa Maria.

Francisco (2) married in 1744 in Sayula:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18578-4484-49?cc=1874591&wc=…

This couple had at least 6 children: Maria Magdalena (directly descended), Bernardino Jose, Juan Marcelo, Agustin Maria, Josef Francisco, and Thomas.

I've spent hours sorting out these two people and their families, but now I can't seem to be left with a swirl of information. I would greatly appreciate if someone could provide a life-preserver...or at least a stick.

Thank you,
Deedra Corona

Hello...does anyone know where I can get more info regarding Reales?
I'm going through 1780 archives, and I'm coming up with towns called Real de (fill in blank). Many are now towns such as Real de La Yesca (where I'm presently researching) or Real de Bolaños. I can't seem to find Real de El Carrizal or Real de San Raphael.
I am noticing priests distinguishing between ciudades, pueblos, ranchos & haciendas.
Anyone know of a website or book that can fill me in?'

Cheers,
Andelmo